Who Framed Roger Rabbit? [Day 10]

[Marmot]

Well, now it's Day 1, so might as well get discussion going. Does anyone have any reads yet?

I would say I thought Golden's aggressive pursuit of suspicion using only a D0 poll was suspicious, but I know better. :P

Other than that, I got nothing.

I guess I could comment on your unwillingness to over-analyze which is NOT like you.

[thellama73]

Well, now it's Day 1, so might as well get discussion going. Does anyone have any reads yet?

I would say I thought Golden's aggressive pursuit of suspicion using only a D0 poll was suspicious, but I know better. :P

Other than that, I got nothing.

I think we should lynch Rabbit.

Why?

No reason.

[Tangrowth]

Well, now it's Day 1, so might as well get discussion going. Does anyone have any reads yet?

I would say I thought Golden's aggressive pursuit of suspicion using only a D0 poll was suspicious, but I know better. :P

Other than that, I got nothing.

I guess I could comment on your unwillingness to over-analyze which is NOT like you.

What's the comment?

[Tangrowth]

Well, now it's Day 1, so might as well get discussion going. Does anyone have any reads yet?

I would say I thought Golden's aggressive pursuit of suspicion using only a D0 poll was suspicious, but I know better. :P

Other than that, I got nothing.

I think we should lynch Rabbit.

Why?

No reason.

I see.

[Marmot]

Well, now it's Day 1, so might as well get discussion going. Does anyone have any reads yet?

I would say I thought Golden's aggressive pursuit of suspicion using only a D0 poll was suspicious, but I know better. :P

Other than that, I got nothing.

I guess I could comment on your unwillingness to over-analyze which is NOT like you.

What's the comment?

I saw MP with the devil.

[Tangrowth]

Well, I have nothing to contribute at the moment, and I need sleep for my midterm, so I'm out of here.

MM, if you want to actually accuse me of something, let me know.

[Marmot]

I've nothing to say really, but you sound like you were waiting for someone to step forward with a read or something.

[Black Rock]

Well, now it's Day 1, so might as well get discussion going. Does anyone have any reads yet?

I would say I thought Golden's aggressive pursuit of suspicion using only a D0 poll was suspicious, but I know better. :P

Other than that, I got nothing.

I think we should lynch Rabbit.

Not a chance in the world, not without good reason. I have been waiting years to play with the evil bastard again.

[rabbit8]

Well, now it's Day 1, so might as well get discussion going. Does anyone have any reads yet?

I would say I thought Golden's aggressive pursuit of suspicion using only a D0 poll was suspicious, but I know better. :P

Other than that, I got nothing.

I think we should lynch Rabbit.

[rabbit8]

Well, now it's Day 1, so might as well get discussion going. Does anyone have any reads yet?

I would say I thought Golden's aggressive pursuit of suspicion using only a D0 poll was suspicious, but I know better. :P

Other than that, I got nothing.

I think we should lynch Rabbit.

Not a chance in the world, not without good reason. I have been waiting years to play with the evil bastard again.

If memory serves me, which it never does, that kind of post would make me very suspicious of you, for some reason. It used to be a sign of....something. I'm sure it will all come back in due time. Maybe another beer or ten.

[Black Rock]

Well, now it's Day 1, so might as well get discussion going. Does anyone have any reads yet?

I would say I thought Golden's aggressive pursuit of suspicion using only a D0 poll was suspicious, but I know better. :P

Other than that, I got nothing.

I think we should lynch Rabbit.

Not a chance in the world, not without good reason. I have been waiting years to play with the evil bastard again.

If memory serves me, which it never does, that kind of post would make me very suspicious of you, for some reason. It used to be a sign of....something. I'm sure it will all come back in due time. Maybe another beer or ten.

That's fine, if you want we can lynch you day 2 and then you can trust me again. Sound good?

[rabbit8]

What is this? A set up?

[Golden]

Well, now it's Day 1, so might as well get discussion going. Does anyone have any reads yet?

I would say I thought Golden's aggressive pursuit of suspicion using only a D0 poll was suspicious, but I know better. :P

Other than that, I got nothing.

I think we should lynch Rabbit.

Oy, I already suggested framing Rabbit. Find your own gig.

[Golden]

Lol. OK Aces, you win. Sometimes it's a waste of time trying too hard with day zero votes.

I'm so tempted to put this in my signature.

Go ahead. It's fair enough.

I would say I thought Golden's aggressive pursuit of suspicion using only a D0 poll was suspicious, but I know better. :P

Lol. Just as rabbit said. Hardcore golden. I thought I might return to mafia with more than one setting. Turns out I don't. I'm still hardcore golden.

I had a lot of fun taking the poll seriously, though. And I bet epi enjoyed it, too!

[Golden]

Metalmarsh

I'm going with Thurston the porter as well, after more thinking.

(Did metal ever mention thinking about the porter before this???

Not that it matters now, but I just want to prove you wrong.

So you did!! (Of course, that post didn't provide any rationale either, so it wouldn't have helped your case )

But hey, I had a suspicion that perhaps the baddie team had info about an option that served them best (or just which one was the correct answer so they could deprive the town of it). Clearly I was wrong. All I can do now is rule 15 about it.

[Marmot]

Well, now it's Day 1, so might as well get discussion going. Does anyone have any reads yet?

I would say I thought Golden's aggressive pursuit of suspicion using only a D0 poll was suspicious, but I know better. :P

Other than that, I got nothing.

I think we should lynch Rabbit.

Oy, I already suggested framing Rabbit. Find your own gig.

I voted wabbit before all y'all.

[blindfaeth]

Well, the eyewitness wasn't an option on the poll was he?

I'm not sure I'd necessarily jump to the conclusion that the Day 0 poll was pointless just because of the post. Even if nothing came of it, perhaps there was potential for some unknown result.

It's just that I've noticed a reasonable amount of hosts write/know their posts ahead of time and that's what is posted regardless of the poll results. I can point back to the arthurian game rabbit hosted I spoke of earlier. All the time, characters I knew were dead would be featured in the posts, and it confused people. Things aren't always what they seem.

</devilsadvocate>

[Tangrowth]

I've nothing to say really, but you sound like you were waiting for someone to step forward with a read or something.

Lol, considering I asked specifically if anyone had any reads, sure. :P

Well, the eyewitness wasn't an option on the poll was he?

I'm not sure I'd necessarily jump to the conclusion that the Day 0 poll was pointless just because of the post. Even if nothing came of it, perhaps there was potential for some unknown result.

It's just that I've noticed a reasonable amount of hosts write/know their posts ahead of time and that's what is posted regardless of the poll results. I can point back to the arthurian game rabbit hosted I spoke of earlier. All the time, characters I knew were dead would be featured in the posts, and it confused people. Things aren't always what they seem.

</devilsadvocate>

Interesting viewpoint, BF.

In that case, do you find anyone suspect due to the behavior surrounding D0 poll or not?

[thellama73]

I want to lynch Ricochet, but he's not playing this game.

Given that the solution to the Day 0 poll was someone not on the poll, maybe the killer is someone not on the poll here.

*votes Ricochet*

[rabbit8]

I want to lynch Ricochet, but he's not playing this game.

Given that the solution to the Day 0 poll was someone not on the poll, maybe the killer is someone not on the poll here.

*votes Ricochet*

Makes sense................................

[juliets]

I have no suspicions at this point. Does anyone?

[fingersplints]

I have no suspicions at this point. Does anyone?

No

[blindfaeth]

I've nothing to say really, but you sound like you were waiting for someone to step forward with a read or something.

Lol, considering I asked specifically if anyone had any reads, sure. :P

Well, the eyewitness wasn't an option on the poll was he?

I'm not sure I'd necessarily jump to the conclusion that the Day 0 poll was pointless just because of the post. Even if nothing came of it, perhaps there was potential for some unknown result.

It's just that I've noticed a reasonable amount of hosts write/know their posts ahead of time and that's what is posted regardless of the poll results. I can point back to the arthurian game rabbit hosted I spoke of earlier. All the time, characters I knew were dead would be featured in the posts, and it confused people. Things aren't always what they seem.

</devilsadvocate>

Interesting viewpoint, BF.

In that case, do you find anyone suspect due to the behavior surrounding D0 poll or not?

Well yes, but it doesn't have anything to do really with voting pattern. Someone made a good point, perhaps it was golden, people voting for one of the options weren't really providing a reason why they thought it was a good choice, (and correct me if I'm wrong) even after being called out on it. He's right, it did feel sort of bandwagonny. Either circumstantial phenomenon or something going on there.

From what I remember of people, I don't have any reason to suspect Sophie, golden or mandi at all.

I agree your attitude towards analyzing was odd, but I also understand the viewpoint on day 0 polls sometimes being meaningless, and being busy with other things. Quirkier my eyebrow but nothing major.

I feel nervous about a couple people because I don't remember them posting. If they have, the content was so flufftastic that I overlooked it.

[rabbit8]

I have no suspicions at this point. Does anyone?

No

I suspect you, because you got married.

Bea, you too. WTF is wrong with you two?

[Long Con]

Anti-marriage, eh?

I don't have any particular suspicion of the more active people in the Day 0 Lynch, like Golden. It's not that they're any more likely to be Civvie than baddie because of it, but I want to play a game with enthusiastic case-builders, and people who are willing to put themselves out there.

I could see my vote going to someone who seems to be trying to lay low and hold off giving opinions or making cases. That's my Day 1 opinion of things... I want to start this game off right, with interested participation. Soon, I may just accuse someone of something for reactions. That's a time-honoured tradition that I enjoy, and it can even work!

[rabbit8]

Anti-marriage, eh?

I don't have any particular suspicion of the more active people in the Day 0 Lynch, like Golden. It's not that they're any more likely to be Civvie than baddie because of it, but I want to play a game with enthusiastic case-builders, and people who are willing to put themselves out there.

I could see my vote going to someone who seems to be trying to lay low and hold off giving opinions or making cases. That's my Day 1 opinion of things... I want to start this game off right, with interested participation. Soon, I may just accuse someone of something for reactions. That's a time-honoured tradition that I enjoy, and it can even work!

I accuse this post. What the hell? Lets go for a time honored LC, rabbit showdown, baddie.

Quick to throw out the keep active players around early mantra, eh?

I blame lama too, he's/she's? just spouting off nonsense. BF is just piggy backing Golden bandwagon accusation even after we have been shown the poll was meaningless, then also falling back into the lazy look at low poster mantra.


Boom, Let get this game going!

[Tangrowth]

Duly noted, BF, thanks for elaborating.

I do find it noteable though you don't name a single suspect even though you give stock into D0 like Golden does. You said some votes seemed bandwagony but didn't provide any names of people you suspect, even though you said you don't suspect three players. You also said my behavior was "odd" but don't quantify if that equates to suspicious (if you did, I missed it, but you didn't say this outright; I'm not sure what quirking the eyebrow means). That honestly pinged me a bit. Who are the couple people who aren't posting that you're worried about?

[Tangrowth]

I'm considering a vote for BF at this point.

[Tangrowth]

Anti-marriage, eh?

I don't have any particular suspicion of the more active people in the Day 0 Lynch, like Golden. It's not that they're any more likely to be Civvie than baddie because of it, but I want to play a game with enthusiastic case-builders, and people who are willing to put themselves out there.

I could see my vote going to someone who seems to be trying to lay low and hold off giving opinions or making cases. That's my Day 1 opinion of things... I want to start this game off right, with interested participation. Soon, I may just accuse someone of something for reactions. That's a time-honoured tradition that I enjoy, and it can even work!

I accuse this post. What the hell? Lets go for a time honored LC, rabbit showdown, baddie.

Quick to throw out the keep active players around early mantra, eh?

I blame lama too, he's/she's? just spouting off nonsense. BF is just piggy backing Golden bandwagon accusation even after we have been shown the poll was meaningless, then also falling back into the lazy look at low poster mantra.


Boom, Let get this game going!

I agree that Llama isn't helping the discussion, but I've seen him lynched way too many times for posting silly posts to feel like he's earned my vote right now.

I didn't comment on your post even though it showed up in linki, glad you agree re: BF.

[thellama73]

I blame lama too, he's/she's? just spouting off nonsense.

My nonsense is frequently more insightful than others' legitimate contributions.

[fingersplints]

Nub rabbit. Gotta grow up sometime!

I don't see myself voting for bf, for no other reason then I'm super excited to see him in a game again <3

I could see myself voting a quiet player if no one does anything suspicious. bass I know has reasons for his absence, but there are several others I don't remember anything from.

I didn't put all that much thought into my Day 0 vote, so I'm not going to fault anyone for their day 0 vote reasoning. If it was anyone else but golden I might find how much he is analyzing it suspicious.

[Tangrowth]

Nub rabbit. Gotta grow up sometime!

I don't see myself voting for bf, for no other reason then I'm super excited to see him in a game again <3

I could see myself voting a quiet player if no one does anything suspicious. bass I know has reasons for his absence, but there are several others I don't remember anything from.

I didn't put all that much thought into my Day 0 vote, so I'm not going to fault anyone for their day 0 vote reasoning. If it was anyone else but golden I might find how much he is analyzing it suspicious.

But you don't find it suspicious that BF apparently is finding stock in analyzing D0 votes/voters and yet has not made any accusations or analysis of his own regarding that?

[fingersplints]

I just read through his posts and the wording of them is very careful. I think that is more suspicious then him looking at day 0 votes

[Golden]

Bf's post felt reasonably normal bf to me. When he said 'i don't find golden, sophie or mandi suspicious' the way that looked to me is he talked to the people he has the best reads of, generally speaking,

However, I did get a different ping from bf. He came in quite late in the poll and voted for Furman, saying:

Fwiw I voted furman. If I had a second choice I'd go with Maude for the shooting comment.

At the point bf voted I thought... it's too late for Furman to win the poll, there aren't enough votes left. Like, if I had two choices I liked that late in the poll, I'd pick the one that had the chance of making an impact. Why vote for something that won't win while also throwing out that your second choice is something that could win?

[Golden]

Also, I know I was wrong about the day 0 poll, but the baddies didn't know that. Although I know now that they couldn't have had info, I still find the behaviour of Aces and Elo curious.

[Golden]

And I'm also not averse to lynching Zomberella if she doesn't post at all. There's being a low poster and then there is not noticing the game has begun.

(But I want you to turn up, zombs... watching you in death note, you seem awesome )

[rabbit8]

I blame lama too, he's/she's? just spouting off nonsense.

My nonsense is frequently more insightful than others' legitimate contributions.

Nonesense.

[Tangrowth]

Duly noted, splints and Golden. I'll mull over this, but if I had to vote right now, it'd be for BF. Of course, we still have time, and I have a meeting later today, so I'll be back in the evening and hopefully will have a chance to re-read the thread up to the point as well.

Does anyone have any other thoughts on players? Golden, just how suspicious do you find Aces and Elo for their behavior? I personally didn't see it, but I'm curious nonetheless.

I'm not willing to vote for a low poster at all, and I'm a bit surprised that players are considering it. It's no better than randomizing.

[thellama73]

Duly noted, splints and Golden. I'll mull over this, but if I had to vote right now, it'd be for BF. Of course, we still have time, and I have a meeting later today, so I'll be back in the evening and hopefully will have a chance to re-read the thread up to the point as well.

Does anyone have any other thoughts on players? Golden, just how suspicious do you find Aces and Elo for their behavior? I personally didn't see it, but I'm curious nonetheless.

I'm not willing to vote for a low poster at all, and I'm a bit surprised that players are considering it. It's no better than randomizing.

There's a lot of low posters. There's very little on topic discussion. There's not much to go on.

Ergo, lynch Rabbit.

[rabbit8]

Nub rabbit. Gotta grow up sometime!

I don't see myself voting for bf, for no other reason then I'm super excited to see him in a game again <3

I could see myself voting a quiet player if no one does anything suspicious. bass I know has reasons for his absence, but there are several others I don't remember anything from.

I didn't put all that much thought into my Day 0 vote, so I'm not going to fault anyone for their day 0 vote reasoning. If it was anyone else but golden I might find how much he is analyzing it suspicious.

I just read through his posts and the wording of them is very careful. I think that is more suspicious then him looking at day 0 votes

Quick turn around.

Wording them carefully. How so in your opinion? Been so long I don't even remember anyone's tendencies. Can I get some examples please.

[thellama73]

Wording them carefully. How so in your opinion? Been so long I don't even remember anyone's tendencies. Can I get some examples please.

Fingersplints almost posts words spelled backwards when bad.

MP's baddie game is marked by excessive smilies.

AceofSpaces says "blaaah!" a lot when indy.

Golden has never played mafia before.

I am never bad, so I don't know what my tendencies are.

Juliets only posts in brown text (the color of coffee) when bad.

[Golden]

Duly noted, splints and Golden. I'll mull over this, but if I had to vote right now, it'd be for BF. Of course, we still have time, and I have a meeting later today, so I'll be back in the evening and hopefully will have a chance to re-read the thread up to the point as well.

Does anyone have any other thoughts on players? Golden, just how suspicious do you find Aces and Elo for their behavior? I personally didn't see it, but I'm curious nonetheless.

I'm not willing to vote for a low poster at all, and I'm a bit surprised that players are considering it. It's no better than randomizing.

I mean, like, I guess what I expect is people read the thread and think about what others are saying. I had publicly shed doubt on it being the porter. Aces voted before even posting once. Elo earlier said her instinct was the porter based on a first read but would hold her vote... then later on said 'i read the post again and i still think its the porter'. What about what everyone else is saying about the post? Just the post itself? To me just putting a vote on the thing that is already in the lead with no explanation just looks dodgy, it's the kind of thing you do to avoid heat or standing out. Baddie tactics generally, in other words.

And I agree low poster is no better than randomising. BUT - people who don't talk never give you any real reason to lynch them. I've never been opposed to a 'low posters/contributers get lynched day 1' strategy if there is no better suspect because it encourages people to post.

[Golden]

Wording them carefully. How so in your opinion? Been so long I don't even remember anyone's tendencies. Can I get some examples please.

Golden has never played mafia before.

This is true I'm such a noob.

[thellama73]

And I agree low poster is no better than randomising. BUT - people who don't talk never give you any real reason to lynch them. I've never been opposed to a 'low posters/contributers get lynched day 1' strategy if there is no better suspect because it encourages people to post.

I can tell we're going to be friends.

My first few games, I went hard after low posters for the reasons you're saying. It got me lynched a lot, because I was accused of going after easy targets who couldn't defend themselves, so I have mellowed since then. But my heart is still in lynching low posters.

Or, you know, Rabbit.

[rabbit8]

Wording them carefully. How so in your opinion? Been so long I don't even remember anyone's tendencies. Can I get some examples please.

Fingersplints almost posts words spelled backwards when bad.

MP's baddie game is marked by excessive smilies.

AceofSpaces says "blaaah!" a lot when indy.

Golden has never played mafia before.

I am never bad, so I don't know what my tendencies are.

Juliets only posts in brown text (the color of coffee) when bad.

Good to know?

[Golden]

Or, you know, Rabbit.

Oh, it's quite clear we are going to be friends

[fingersplints]

Nub rabbit. Gotta grow up sometime!

I don't see myself voting for bf, for no other reason then I'm super excited to see him in a game again <3

I could see myself voting a quiet player if no one does anything suspicious. bass I know has reasons for his absence, but there are several others I don't remember anything from.

I didn't put all that much thought into my Day 0 vote, so I'm not going to fault anyone for their day 0 vote reasoning. If it was anyone else but golden I might find how much he is analyzing it suspicious.

I just read through his posts and the wording of them is very careful. I think that is more suspicious then him looking at day 0 votes

Quick turn around.

Wording them carefully. How so in your opinion? Been so long I don't even remember anyone's tendencies. Can I get some examples please.

How is that a quick turnaround? I'm still not voting for bf
By wording them carfeully I mean that I got a vibe he was staying in the middle and avoiding taking any stance. Seeing which way the wind blows first.

I disagree that voting for a low poster is not better then randomizing. I am so fed up of seeing baddies win simply because they didn't bother to post so no one had any reason to suspect them. This makes me not want to play anymore. Also, there are players who are quieter when bad. So I think it's lots better then just randomizing.

[rabbit8]

In 10 minutes you went from not voting for him to voting for him. To me that's a quick turn around.

Though I do agree with him being a suspect. I get the same vibe from him. Your change was just weird to me, and I noted it.

[fingersplints]

Ergo, lynch Rabbit.

It's so tempting, isn't it?

linki. No. I went from not voting him to still not voting him. That doesn't mean I don't want to talk about or consider him.

[thellama73]

It sounds like a number of us are agreed that a return to the Apollo Doctrine is in order.

No Vote (or in this case, post)=No Live.

I'm voting Zombrella, now.