The Syndicate

Posted: **Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:03 pm**

Sorry, not silenced - just busy! I have a difficult time balancing more than one mafia game at a time, too. Gimme a moment to read and I'll comment.

Posted: **Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:09 pm**

I'm not silenced. Just dead.

Posted: **Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:36 pm**

I like your analysis, MM, and agree with your comments on the players for DF's last teammate. I usually like to add something of my own, but...you've pretty much said what I see in the interactions, too. I suppose I'll case your interactions with DF since you didn't case yourself. It seems he kept a light suspicion on you throughout the game to save in case he needed to vote for you without explaining it too hard and looking suspicious. Doubtful that you're his teammate since he kinda sealed your non-lynch Day 13, unless there's something about the Phantom we don't know. And you voted for him first yesterday. It's not unthinkable, but I don't think you're his teammate based on what I see.

While I agree splints is not on Team Webber, I do think she's on Team 2, and would like to take them down before they kill again. Putting my vote on her now.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:13 am**

nijuukyugou wrote:I like your analysis, MM, and agree with your comments on the players for DF's last teammate. I usually like to add something of my own, but...you've pretty much said what I see in the interactions, too. I suppose I'll case your interactions with DF since you didn't case yourself. It seems he kept a light suspicion on you throughout the game to save in case he needed to vote for you without explaining it too hard and looking suspicious. Doubtful that you're his teammate since he kinda sealed your non-lynch Day 13, unless there's something about the Phantom we don't know. And you voted for him first yesterday. It's not unthinkable, but I don't think you're his teammate based on what I see.

While I agree splints is not on Team Webber, I do think she's on Team 2, and would like to take them down before they kill again. Putting my vote on her now.

I think that's actually a good idea. If the last member of Webber is an inactive player, there's no hurry to lynch that player.

Now to look back and see who's been silenced each day.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:26 am**

Wow, this took way too long. Here is a compiled list of players who did not post each day.

Color indicates probable or definite inactivity.
* indicates a player who did not post, but did vote during a day phase.
** indicates a player who did not post or vote, but admitted to being silenced during the day phase.

Day 2 - Devin the Omniscient, DREAM, Gumshoe

Day 3 - Bullzeye, Devin the Omniscient, DREAM, Gumshoe, Hedgeowl, Epignosis*, Turnip Head

Day 4 - Bullzeye, Devin the Omniscient, DREAM, Golden*, Gumshoe, Turnip Head

Day 5 - Devin the Omniscient, DREAM, Gumshoe, Sloonei*, Turnip Head

Day 6 - Devin the Omniscient, DREAM, Gumshoe, Metalmarsh89*, Turnip Head

Day 7 - Devin the Omniscient, DREAM, Gumshoe, Scotty*

Day 8 - Devin the Omniscient, DREAM, fingersplints, Golden*, Gumshoe, Neverwhere

Day 9 - Devin the Omniscient, DREAM, Gumshoe, Hedgeowl

Day 10 - JaggedJimmyJay*, Devin the Omniscient, Gumshoe, Hedgeowl, Neverwhere

Day 11 - Devin the Omniscient, Golden*, Gumshoe, Neverwhere

Day 12 - Devin the Omniscient, Gumshoe, Sloonei**, S~V~S

Day 13 - Devin the Omniscient, Gumshoe

Day 14 - Devin the Omniscient, Gumshoe, Sloonei*

Day 15 - Devin the Omniscient, Golden*, Gumshoe, Spacedaisy

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:36 am**

Here is a new list with my belief regarding who was silenced each day. There are some consistent names on this list,.

Day 2 - ???

Day 3 - Epignosis

Day 4 - Golden

Day 5 - Sloonei

Day 6 - Metalmarsh89

Day 7 - Scotty

Day 8 - Golden

Day 9 - No one

Day 10 - JaggedJimmyJay

Day 11 - Golden

Day 12 - Sloonei

Day 13 - No one

Day 14 - Sloonei

Day 15 - Golden

A couple things to note. Nobody was silenced Night 8 for the Day 9 period. According to my theory about Team Wildhorn, they did not send the kill that night either as no one was nightkilled that night. I still think I am correct in that they control the silencing, and I think the lack of a player being silenced is meaningful since they were both missed on the same night.

Also, no one was silenced Night 12 for Day 13. Jay was nightkilled on Night 12. I bet Jay was silenced in addition to being nightkilled, just to be safe.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:39 am**

Here is an updated summary of the nightkills.

Night 1 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Epignosis.
Night 2 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Golden. It was later revealed that the nightkill actually failed, and Golden was brought back.
Night 3 - Starlight Express (Team Webber) nightkills Sloonei, but Sloonei survives.
Night 4 - Nobody was nightkilled. There is no mention of a failed kill attempt either, so no kill from Team Wildhorn.
Night 5 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills FZ. Bonnie & Clyde nightkills Bass_the_Clever, but Bass survives.
Night 6 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Soonei.
Night 7 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills timmer.
Night 8 - An unknown force nightkills Scotty. It is later revealed that Scotty should actually not have died. No kill from Team Wildhorn?
Night 9 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Scotty.
Night 10 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Canucklehead. Sloonei is rezzed.
Night 11 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills Epignosis.
Night 12 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills JaggedJimmyJay.
Night 13 - Phantom of the Opera (Team Webber) nightkills S~V~S, but S~V~S survives.
Night 14 - Bonnie & Clyde (Team Wildhorn) nightkills Sloonei.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:43 am**

I can't do anymore tonight. I'll try to be around tomorrow, but this is what I've got for now.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:47 am**

Oh, another thing I forgot to mention. Since we've lynched three members of Team Weber, and we know they are not eliminated, we know the last one is still alive. Thus, any player that has been nightkilled by Team Wildhorn (Sloonei, Canucklehead, and JaggedJimmyJay), cannot be on either mafia team, and thus is either civilian or independent.

Okay, good night now.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:31 am**

I have to reread the case on Splints; she has been fairly quiet since I subbed back in.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:32 am**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:I like your analysis, MM, and agree with your comments on the players for DF's last teammate. I usually like to add something of my own, but...you've pretty much said what I see in the interactions, too. I suppose I'll case your interactions with DF since you didn't case yourself. It seems he kept a light suspicion on you throughout the game to save in case he needed to vote for you without explaining it too hard and looking suspicious. Doubtful that you're his teammate since he kinda sealed your non-lynch Day 13, unless there's something about the Phantom we don't know. And you voted for him first yesterday. It's not unthinkable, but I don't think you're his teammate based on what I see.

While I agree splints is not on Team Webber, I do think she's on Team 2, and would like to take them down before they kill again. Putting my vote on her now.
I think that's actually a good idea. If the last member of Webber is an inactive player, there's no hurry to lynch that player.

Now to look back and see who's been silenced each day.

This doesn't make any sense to me. Why would the last member or team Webber be inactive? The phantom has clearly been active and mentioned in night posts a lot

linki - I'm in the car traveling SVS. Trying to navigate and mafia at the same time atm lol

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:37 am**

That's a good point; Phantom is killing, so they are paying attention. Dom does not post story for flavor. If the post says "Phantom killed Player X" then Phantom killed player X, not Cats or whatever other member of Team Weber.

Gotta get ready to go to work, blurgh.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:08 am**

fingersplints wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:I like your analysis, MM, and agree with your comments on the players for DF's last teammate. I usually like to add something of my own, but...you've pretty much said what I see in the interactions, too. I suppose I'll case your interactions with DF since you didn't case yourself. It seems he kept a light suspicion on you throughout the game to save in case he needed to vote for you without explaining it too hard and looking suspicious. Doubtful that you're his teammate since he kinda sealed your non-lynch Day 13, unless there's something about the Phantom we don't know. And you voted for him first yesterday. It's not unthinkable, but I don't think you're his teammate based on what I see.

While I agree splints is not on Team Webber, I do think she's on Team 2, and would like to take them down before they kill again. Putting my vote on her now.
I think that's actually a good idea. If the last member of Webber is an inactive player, there's no hurry to lynch that player.

Now to look back and see who's been silenced each day.
This doesn't make any sense to me. Why would the last member or team Webber be inactive? The phantom has clearly been active and mentioned in night posts a lot

linki - I'm in the car traveling SVS. Trying to navigate and mafia at the same time atm lol

We just lynched DFaraday, and it's possible that he was sending the kills in for the Phantom. The only active option for the Phantom is Spacedaisy, imo, but I think an inactive is more likely.

On the other hand, we know for a fact that the Team Wildhorn killer is still active.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:35 am**

Black Rock wrote:Well I got lynched. Timmer was talking today which means he can't be trusted. I can't explain further but it's true. Thanks for a great game Dom.

Oh, and I completely forgot this little nugget. Obviously, the silencer is on Team Wildhorn and still alive.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:43 am**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:I like your analysis, MM, and agree with your comments on the players for DF's last teammate. I usually like to add something of my own, but...you've pretty much said what I see in the interactions, too. I suppose I'll case your interactions with DF since you didn't case yourself. It seems he kept a light suspicion on you throughout the game to save in case he needed to vote for you without explaining it too hard and looking suspicious. Doubtful that you're his teammate since he kinda sealed your non-lynch Day 13, unless there's something about the Phantom we don't know. And you voted for him first yesterday. It's not unthinkable, but I don't think you're his teammate based on what I see.

While I agree splints is not on Team Webber, I do think she's on Team 2, and would like to take them down before they kill again. Putting my vote on her now.
I think that's actually a good idea. If the last member of Webber is an inactive player, there's no hurry to lynch that player.

Now to look back and see who's been silenced each day.
This doesn't make any sense to me. Why would the last member or team Webber be inactive? The phantom has clearly been active and mentioned in night posts a lot

linki - I'm in the car traveling SVS. Trying to navigate and mafia at the same time atm lol
We just lynched DFaraday, and it's possible that he was sending the kills in for the Phantom. The only active option for the Phantom is Spacedaisy, imo, but I think an inactive is more likely.

On the other hand, we know for a fact that the Team Wildhorn killer is still active.

I did a quick lookback of DFaraday. He posted during every single odd night phase, every night that Team Weber killed on. So it is not necessary that the last teammate of his is an active.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:17 am**

Anyway, I'm keeping my vote on fingersplints. I've brought plenty of evidence forward to indicate that the silencer works for Team Wildhorn. Also, fingersplints was not silenced once throughout this whole game.

Fingersplints did post once during the Night 8 phase (the night Wildhorn possibly missed the kill and no one was silenced). But this was her post, which came at Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:36 am. (EST)

fingersplints wrote:RIP Cobalt
I see I have some stuff to address. will do asap

Her next post came on Day 9 at Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:23 am. (EST)

Spoiler: show

fingersplints wrote:sorry for the RL stuff Neverwhere Hope it all gets better soon. Feel free to message me anytime if you need someone to talk to.

Golden wrote:Where is splints? Why has she been so quiet? Add her to my suspect list. Dfaraday too. I need to do some really good examining.
Just because. I don't want to use RL as an excuse so much. It is what it is. If you suspect me for my quietness so be it, but keep in mind I have gone pretty quiet everywhere. I haven't even gotten a chance to go ask Sloonei questions in the interrogation room.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:on Day 2 as splints was still working to acclimate herself with the game, she selected Cobalt as the more suspicious party in the Cobalt/LC dynamic. i am not inclined to lambaste her for this primarily because she might not have been wrong about Cobalt. however, it still does stand as a soft defense of LC and if that becomes a trend it'll be more troubling.
The thing about the LC/Cobalt drama was that it started from another game, and it involved me too. (I can reiterate what happened again, but I am pretty sure it's been said many times so) What stood out most to me about that at the time was that Cobalt had said it started as a joke suspicion that progressed into an actual suspicion. The whole thing felt very attacky. I can't be the only one who felt really uncomfortable there.

Also, for the record. I have been mafia with LC a couple times. If we were teammates, he wouldn't have wanted me to defend him. That is the opposite of how he plays. In the game we played on JTM (the one where Cobalt defended him all game and I went after him) LC had this to say in his mafia chat: (I'm posting both the link and quote because you might have to be added to that area to see it.)

baddie Long Con in 90's JTM game wrote: I'm totally up for planning my own sacrifice from the beginning with someone. Like, set up an adversarial relationship and eventually I "slip up" and get lynched. Maybe two teammate could come after me. *shrug* Unless you guys don't dig that kind of play.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
Golden wrote:I think it's really because we are in a bit of a holding pattern. We need a lynch or two to get some info and get us moving again.
This. I will leave my bass suspicion until tomorrow. I'm voting sig.
splints, could you explain why you were willing to delay your Bass case at this point and pursue a sig lynch instead? i don't think it's a bad look for you, but i'd like to be clearer on your thought process.
Sure. I had been suspicious of bass for longer, but the case on Sig was stronger. Bass wasn't around, and I wanted to give him more chance to respond since that may have alleviated some of my suspicion of him. (Which I still don't think he ever did) Also, a lot of my suspicion of him had to do with my theory that he was on team Wildhorn, and I was a bit paranoid I was reading him wrong due to the LC/Cobalt situation. Later, I dropped my suspicion of him entirely due to him seeming to survive a kill from a member of that team.

I don't always vote my number 1 suspect, and sometimes I get heat for it. (see Economics - my vote for aether after tunneling on BR all game. Slightly different, but not really. I took the credit you guys gave me that game for playing my role cleverly, but I didn't actually think about the votes around me until just after the vote was cast.)
I just think that sometimes we need some information to get the game going. So I'd rather vote to lynch my number 2 or 3, then throw away another vote trying to get bass to talk more again.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:this is probably the most interesting period of splints' post history. on Day 4 when eventually LC was lynched and flipped mafia, splints lent him significant aid in the tally. she didn't speak in his favor, but she tied the vote 5-5 between LC and G-Man. it would seem it was quite plausible at this point for G-Man to be lynched instead. this lends further support to the notion that splints is unlikely to be a member of Team Webber, but it could also tie her more closely with Team Wildhorn. she actually said nothing whatsoever about LC during this phase, and very little about him prior to it. this is something she is going to have to talk about, because it's not a great look.
I will agree that this is not a great look, but it doesn't make me bad either. I don't mind talking about LC if you have more questions after what I said up there ^ I don't think it's likely with the attention he was receiving for days that LC's teammates voted to save him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
fingersplints wrote:Just woke up didn't realize the poll ended then. Sorry I have a hard time keeping track of the time that way. poll gives me time in my time zone :P

I voted bubbles. I know she commented on her playing being off, but I still think it's off because she hasn't been bad before.
somewhat surprising move. earlier in the game when Bubbles had drawn some heat, splints was softly defensive of her. so i am not sure what changed her mind enough to warrant this Day 5 vote. Bubbles was probably a pretty easy target and i am always wary of opportunistic moves like this one might be.
I was defensive of her in the beginning (because I played with her on infjs ), but in the end I couldn't ignore that this wasn't the same civvie game I had seen before. Unfortunately it seems that this wasn't because she was bad, but because she was overwhelmed.
Also, all my other strong suspicions had been lynched, so while I didn't express a lot of suspicion of her, I also hadn't suspected many others still alive at this point. I was running out of time to vote, and didn't want to miss a vote. I clearly made the wrong choice.

Did I get it all? I think I probably missed some other stuff. so let me know what else.

So while she was around Night 8, it could have been one of those instances of getting distracted by something else and never making it back online. The first post reads like someone who plans to respond to something, but since she didn't post again for almost 24 hours, it is possible she also got distracted.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:21 pm**

I apologize for being absent the last couple of days, Saturday I was traveling all day, yesterday I jumped right into wedding prep stuff and then last night a storm came through and knocked out my internet, it is still down. I voted splints because of her interactions with Nutella, it has led me to suspect her ad being on team Wildhorn.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:27 pm**

Well, why split it up? I think this lynch will put it all into focus for me~ if she isn't bad, there will be some splainin to do for some people, I think.

Sorry Splints if you are not bad, but I don't see the point of a tangent vote at this stage.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:29 pm**

S~V~S wrote:Well, why split it up? I think this lynch will put it all into focus for me~ if she isn't bad, there will be some splainin to do for some people, I think.

Sorry Splints if you are not bad, but I don't see the point of a tangent vote at this stage.

It appears that fingersplints will become the only tangent vote, whenever she comes on to vote.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:33 pm**

Assuming fingersplints is lynched today, what do you all think about tomorrow's lynch? What do you think about DF's relationship with Gumshoe and Devin, and what I brought up about them? Which one do you think has more potential of being DF's teammate?

I agree with SVS though. If fingersplints is lynched and flips civilian, first we must consider that she could be Jekyll and Hyde, but we must also take another look around, and possibly put off inactive-lynching. I think we will have to eventually lynch Devin or Gumshoe, if not both, but not if there is a more evident threat around.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:46 pm**

To be blunt, I think DFs teammate is likely an active. It is my experience with Dom that he would be unlikely to say someone is doing the kill who is not sending in the PM, especially when it is a team kill. I find it unlikely that he would allow an active player to always say the inactive is the killer. Having played almost every game he ever hosted all the way back to LP, this is what I think.

So I am thinking we have an active Weber member left, as well as an active Wildhorn. I am hoping you all are right and Splints is one of them, but if she isn't, we are trusting the wrong person.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:18 pm**

Act One, Scene Fifteen

ENTER FINGERSPLINTS, CLOAKED AND MASKED

CUE MELODRAMATIC DESCENDING MINOR SCALE

THOUSANDS OF CANDLES DESCEND ON THE STAGE

SPLINTS: I gave you my music . . .
made your song take wing . . .
and now, how you've
repaid me:
denied me
and betrayed me . . .

A CHANDELIER FALLS AND SMASHES FINGERSPLINTS.
AT LAST!
THE PHANTOM CLOSES.

END OF ACT.

Fingersplints has been lynched. She was The Phantom of the Opera. Team Lloyd Weber has been eliminated.
It is now Night 15. You have 24 hours.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:24 pm**

YES!!!

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:24 pm**

Side note: either this stage has 10 equally-faulty chandeliers or the stage manager must be having a conniption putting them up after every other scene.

Posted: **Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:41 pm**

My spreadsheet said those two had to absolutely be bad (it was all that made sense), but I'm surprised that splints wasn't B & C. I'm betting she was the silencer, though. Good job on getting so far as a team, splints and DF. (And honestly - sig, G-Man, splints, DF - thats a team that sounds like a lot of fun to be on.)

I really do think we have dealt to Jekyll & Hyde - there is no sign that they have been around for a long time. I think bubbles and neverwhere are the likely candidates. So I think we are probably down to just Bonnie & Clyde to get.

Also, Act One is gonna be really really long compared to Act 2. But yay for intermission. I'm going to get a coffee and some snacks, and maybe they are selling the soundtrack somewhere...

Posted: **Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:00 am**

Dom, has the team one kill been inherited by team two?

Posted: **Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:23 am**

Golden wrote:Dom, has the team one kill been inherited by team two?

I really hope not.

Posted: **Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:49 am**

Golden wrote:Dom, has the team one kill been inherited by team two?

Posted: **Tue Aug 04, 2015 6:54 am**

That's awesome!!

Posted: **Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:33 am**

:o neat

Posted: **Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:19 am**

Time to figure out who Bonnie & Clyde is then. I hope you're right about Jekyll & Hyde, Golden.

Atm, Spacedaisy is back to my number 1 suspect, with the Wildhorn killer still being an active player.

Posted: **Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:22 pm**

Act Two, Scene One

ENTER SINGER AND METALMARSH, ROLLING ON STAGE KISSING

THE SINGER GETS UP AND SPOT ON HER.

SINGER: I shall vote out Team Wildhorn
Pin my vote on a nice piece of mafia
Days and nights we’ve been feeling worn
We'll go lynching, meanwhile

It's a thought and a vote and a hanging from the sky
And I'll tie the rope from the rafters, a hunch and a feeling
In the sealing of a trickster’s fate

It's a very short road from the kills and the death
To the case and the lynch and the civ win
It's a very short road ‘til we can take a breath
And relief and reveals and the sigh

In the meanwhile there are baddies to be lynched
Before civs to accuse and a lot in between
In the meanwhile
And a civ ought to concentrate on who lies and lies.

EXIT SINGER

METALMARSH: What was that?

ENTER BONNIE AND CLYDE
B/C: Bang Bang! You're dead.

Metalmarsh dies from gunshot wounds.

EXIT.

Metalmarsh89 has been killed.
It is now day 16. You have 24 hours to lynch someone.

Posted: **Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:23 pm**

who murdered saloon???? (changebale)

Poll ended at Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:46 pm

Devin
0
No votes
SpaceDaisy
0
No votes
Fingersplints
5
Golden (2), Metalmarsh89 (4), nijuukyugou (6), Spacedaisy (11), S~V~S (12) 38%
Golden
0
No votes
Gumshoe
0
No votes
MetalMarsh89
0
No votes
nijuukyugou
0
No votes
SVS 2.0
0
No votes
It was John Michael LaChuisa!
8
Sloonei (1), nutella (3), JaggedJimmyJay (5), Dom (7), Heiots (8), Made (9), Steve Harvey (10), MovingPictures07 (13) 62%
Total votes : 13

Posted: **Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:27 pm**

Ah rats. Saw that coming.

Golden, I don't know if we'll ever acheive this recors again.

Posted: **Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:38 pm**

good game MM, it's pretty impressive stuff.

Yay, only a 24 hour day, that's what we need.

I have some thoughts, but I'm really interested to hear what the rest of you have to say first.

I will say, though, that given a kill has gone in, a lynch of Devin or Gumshoe seems like a waste of time to me.

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:30 am**

I looked over the kills, and unless I've missed something, Team Wildhorn seems to have only missed one kill on Night 4. Night 8 is still mysterious as there is no kill flavor, but given it's an even night, the attempt was likely made by them. There is flavor to whoever completes the NK, as evident in the difference between the Phantom killing (chandelier) and Starlight on Night 3 (rollerskating murderers). Dunno about actual Webber killings. For Team 2, sometimes the night post mentions that Bonnie and Clyde specifically do the killing; sometimes, there's only a gunshot, or a car, with no name attached to it, so it's difficult to tell who's doing the killing and when since the beginning of the game, although I assume it's Wildhorn until LC's lynch and B&C from then on, unless there's a second corruption. Which brings me to who's left for vote for.

Devin - Inactive. Not concerned at the moment.
SpaceDaisy - Replaced DREAM, a completely inactive player, Day 10.
Golden - Active entire game, but had a kill attempt made on him by Team 2 on Night 2.
Gumshoe - Inactive. Not concerned at the moment.
nijuukyugou - Good to the last drop

SVS - Replaced TH, a completely inactive player, Day 6.

LC was lynched Day 4. Black Rock was lynched Day 7. We don't know when/if Jekyll and Hyde were lynched exactly. Once again, Team 2 seems to have only missed one kill on Night 4. These facts altogether rule out Daisy for me. So I have two possibilities in my mind - SVS replaced a baddie TH, or Golden has been corrupted (but that wouldn't change him to Bonnie and Clyde). So, by logic, I'm leaning towards the former. I want to see what others think, and to see if I've messed up my logic/facts in any way (I've stayed up far too late for this). I'm done for the night.

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:36 am**

@ninja - if taking MM's theories at face value, I don't think daisy can be ruled out.

BR could have sent in the kill 'from B & C' until night 6. We don't know if wildhorn attempted a kill on night 8. Daisy was around by night 10. Cars and gunshots do lead to the implication that Bonnie & Clyde is sending in the kills, though.

I can't see any way that MM's theory about being able to send in the kill from a different teammate could be wrong at this point - because TH/SVS were also away during night 5 or 6, and only BR and possibly whoever was jekyll could have still been alive to do it.

Did SVS really sub in that early? I thought she subbed in around the same time as daisy.

I'm fairly sure jekyll is dead because their vote manipulation ability would have been critical at this end of the game and there is no evidence that's its been seen for some time.

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:13 am**

I subbed in the same time as JJJ. You maybe thought I was later because I missed a vote an didn't post for almost 2 game days. I was not ready to come off break so early I think. Then I felt like a jerk and came back and got involved. I didn't even come onsite in that time.

I am not Wildhorn. Black Rock continuing to jump on THs bacon pretty hard after she was recruited; that pretty much puts that to paid IMO. BR is like me that way. She's not much of as busser. And I don't believe Golden's role to be corruptible. I went back and looked, Golden. Yeah.

I have no idea what happened night 4 but I can guarantee you it had nothing to do with TH.

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:16 am**

Unfortunately, Daisy subbed in too late to make any meaningful connections with teammates.

SVS did not. Given her day 6 entry, if she was on team wildhorn there is slight overlap with BR. There is enough in a read back to make a very small case that SVS is a teammate of BR, but I don't find it overly convincing. I would think that if SVS had subbed into a team in which BR knew she was going down, SVS (and BR) would have been ok with a bus.

All in all, I would lean slightly more towards daisy being bad than SVS right now... but im particularly interested in what the two of them have to say.

linki - and there is SVS! And SVS, I didn't think to look for links to TH, but I should.

And SVS - you went back and looked

does that give some context as to why I think people may not have tried to kill me? Particularly if its daisy who is bad, who I think has role checked me?

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:21 am**

I think people try to kill you based on what you say, not who you are when you say it.

And unless we know has/when/if Jekyll died (Ninja is leaving that role out of her analysis) we don't know who overlapped with whom. Plus wasn't there a fail kill that night?

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:23 am**

In any case I did not kill anyone, because I can't kill anyone

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:42 am**

It's also interesting that you mention a role checker. One of the roles I had in mind for B & C was a power stealer, who would learn a role in the process. Now I really have to go get ready for work, lol.

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:08 am**

I'm sorry to have been absent guys. Internet was down again last night into today. In any case, I feel comfortable with an SVS lynch based upon a process of elimination. I have too much to get done today to risk waiting to vote and I feel confident enough to cast it now so I will.

*vote SVS*

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:05 pm**

S~V~S wrote:It's also interesting that you mention a role checker. One of the roles I had in mind for B & C was a power stealer, who would learn a role in the process. Now I really have to go get ready for work, lol.

Nah, its not a role thing. The reason I suspect it has to do with the trivia contest.

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:12 pm**

Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:It's also interesting that you mention a role checker. One of the roles I had in mind for B & C was a power stealer, who would learn a role in the process. Now I really have to go get ready for work, lol.
Nah, its not a role thing. The reason I suspect it has to do with the trivia contest.

I think you're selling yourself short, but OK.

Well, I am going to vote for Daisy. As she says,process of elimination. Plus, as I said, some type of robbery would be a logical power for B & C. So a role check with a power use would be a good guess. Didn't we have two kills and or attempts one day? Or two silences? Although with the amount of silence in this game in general it would be hard to say. But if you think she checked you

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:05 pm**

Well Ninja, I really don't want a tie, so I'm voting with you.

I feel like Daisy is the better way to go, but if you really think it is SVS I will roll with you.

I'm also certain that if we get this right the game will end. Jekyll is not alive.

Jekyll targetted me on day four or 5. SVS, Daisy, Gumshoe and Devin were not around at that time. Jekyll is also not the singer, given their role is clearly revealed.

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:07 pm**

She didn't vote yet

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:08 pm**

S~V~S wrote:She didn't vote yet

I know... neither did I.

And I'm not going to until I know what she is thinking.

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:10 pm**

I am not bad. Like not at all. I am surprised to see you riding someone elses coattails.

Posted: **Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:11 pm**

Ninja totally left J & H out of her analysis. Who do you think was that role? When do you think they died?

The Syndicate

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