The Syndicate

Made wrote:I don't think I won.

You would have if you would have silenced Russtifinko at any time.

I deeply apologize to MM and DDL for being forced to deliberately target them for my last two lynches. Win con stuff. No hard feelings, I hope.

linki: G-Man was the first civ to target Russ.

Wait, I read that the wrong way.

A couple things:

1) Everyone played SUPER well. Especially Cookie, to whom I owe an apology for continually underestimating. You played off that super well.

2) All my rl concerns and times being out were 100% legit. I wouldn't fake that stuff to win.

3) I realize I've probably lost myself my next 5 games, but it was so worth it.

Linki: I knew it! I knew Ozy was sending people false info, but I couldn't figure out why. Why did you do that? And how did you figure out my recruitment power?

And Rico, Derf didn't matter. If he targeted me I'd have recruited him. And I presume you used up your NK survival, so I would have killed one and either recruited or won the lynch in a tie I decided against the other.

No civ EVER targeted me. Except whoever put me in that 4-way lynch early on, which I suppose didn't count.

Rico why do you say you were forced to target MM and DDL? Had you figured out that one was Manhattan?

Wait a second! Hey Epi, my recruitment power didn't make it onto your reveal page. It was real, right?

Oh! And I think Rico and I survived back-to-back NKs, although I wasn't notified about mine so I'm not sure. I chose not to kill last night because I knew I needed one person to vote wrong today to win, and that was easier with 4 people voting than with 3.

Rico, I guess my post saying DDL was Moloch, Ozy, or Manhattan made it pretty easy for you haha.

So excite!

Russtifinko wrote: Linki: I knew it! I knew Ozy was sending people false info, but I couldn't figure out why. Why did you do that? And how did you figure out my recruitment power?

And Rico, Derf didn't matter. If he targeted me I'd have recruited him. And I presume you used up your NK survival, so I would have killed one and either recruited or won the lynch in a tie I decided against the other.

No civ EVER targeted me. Except whoever put me in that 4-way lynch early on, which I suppose didn't count.

Rico why do you say you were forced to target MM and DDL? Had you figured out that one was Manhattan?

I didn't figure anything about you. I'll post about my puzzles later today or tomorrow.

I get it now about Derf. Shame about DH losing, though.

I was really shocked by MM when he claimed Comedian, because I thought he was long dead; instead yes, I realized Manhattan was DDL (and shit my pants, too!), because, duh, I was Ozy.

I basically had to work the last two Days to:

a) Stay alive (Cookie burned my NK protection). Thanks for not killing me Russ. Did you target DDL?

b) Lynch MM

c) Lynch DDL

You were irrelevant, sorry. :P

Brutal, I tell you.

linki: Nope, already could tell he claimed Manhattan.

My puzzles were all fabricated, but I get the feeling some of them worked. Especially Scotty's. Oh man, oh man.

DDL seems to have literally gone to Mars.

Wow, what an endgame! Congrats to Russ and Rico! You both earned it. I would have NEVER guessed Russ was Moloch; that surprised me completely. I thought it was Rico. :P

Also, I take it Ninja never got close to guessing correctly or having time to do so?

I knew Russ was the guy who should be lynched when I was

In all seriousness though, if I was in this lylo my order would have probably been DDL, rico, made, russ.

Well played guys.

Russtifinko wrote:Wait a second! Hey Epi, my recruitment power didn't make it onto your reveal page. It was real, right?

Is it not in your win con?

MP, did you pull anything about of my puzzle for you? :P

Ricochet wrote:Also, I take it Ninja never got close to guessing correctly or having time to do so?

She was here at our house drinking and watching the Watchmen movie and talking a lot about boobs.

She lamented, "No one ever targets me with anything."

I shot back, "Someone targeted you tonight!"

Good times.

Ricochet wrote:MP, did you pull anything about of my puzzle for you? :P

Nope, sorry. :P

Just saw it and was like "WTF? Oh well, baddie hunting is more important."

I played the maze a lot.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:MP, did you pull anything about of my puzzle for you? :P

Nope, sorry. :P

Just saw it and was like "WTF? Oh well, baddie hunting is more important."

I figured you would. It was only N1, so I didn't put anything heavy in it anyway.

More on that, though, later.

Hahahaha Epi that story is epic.

Golden wrote:I knew Russ was the guy who should be lynched when I was

In all seriousness though, if I was in this lylo my order would have probably been DDL, rico, made, russ.

Well played guys.

Thanks Golden! I super honored you'd say that.

Rico, super well played. I probably would have been more paranoid about you if I were civ, but we were irrelevant for each other. I just wanted someone to make one vote that wasn't me. :P

Haha classic MP.

I was at uni using the internet there because the internet here at home is terrible. Once the poll deadline close I went home so I could eat. i'm hungry as fuck and was waiting till the phase to end to have dinner.

But then my mom called and wanted to know EVERYTHING about my first semester day. Well not that there weren't interesting news.

Gratz Rico and Russ. I was right about Russ, but can't believe Rico was working against me the whole time. Thoughts in the next post.

You mean you knew or could tell who I was?

Also, you inherited kills from Day 2?? Ayy

Ricochet wrote:You mean you knew or could tell who I was?

Also, you inherited kills from Day 2?? Ayy

This was @ Russ.

Facts:

- I could have chosen to side with Moloch on Day 0, but I thought that's be too crazy and too hard since I didn't know shit about the guy. I sided with the civs. Damn it.
- I actually suspected Rico for a while because it seemed to me it was being WAY too hard to make him understand what I was claiming. I should have pursued that further. Or maybe not, no idea how I could have pursued that.
- Actually, I shouldn't have claimed. That was a hge mistake from my part. I suppose Rico probably figured out I was Manhattan once I suggested I had voted Eloh because Scotty had done it too? Either way, I also tried to hint at that point. Anyway, a fact none of you know is that I was player the Inmates didn't have to kill or lynch to win the game (the only one?). So I figured out nobody else would have to either. God how I was wrong. Never forget about selective serial killers again, DDL.
- Great game Rico and Russ. You fucking earned.
- Sorry civs for my shit-tier baddie-hunting. I have to improve that.
- I still take pride in reviving Scotty, though. I think that was a great move, knowing his role, and giving civs an extra player.
- Why did the three kills fail? Was any of them directed at me?
- lol at Russ being able to recruit someone. Did he ever managed to do that, or was he just unlucky?
- Told you Moloch would have a shitload of abilities.

What's the story of Derf, though? I never finished reading the comic, but why the animosity between Owl II and him?

I am pleased that everyone who hinted lost.

I warn people not to do that shit. People do it anyway. And I don't have to lift a finger against them.

Ricochet wrote:I deeply apologize to MM and DDL for being forced to deliberately target them for my last two lynches. Win con stuff. No hard feelings, I hope.

linki: G-Man was the first civ to target Russ.

Wait, what? You never targeted me with a puzzle.

Epignosis wrote:I am pleased that everyone who hinted lost.

I warn people not to do that shit. People do it anyway. And I don't have to lift a finger against them.

You're so evil.

Sorry Epi, but I did ask you permission before I started hinting. I figured out info dumping would be fine as long as I only implied it. Well, karma is a bitch.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Facts:

- I could have chosen to side with Moloch on Day 0, but I thought that's be too crazy and too hard since I didn't know shit about the guy. I sided with the civs. Damn it.
- I actually suspected Rico for a while because it seemed to me it was being WAY too hard to make him understand what I was claiming. I should have pursued that further. Or maybe not, no idea how I could have pursued that.
- Actually, I shouldn't have claimed. That was a hge mistake from my part. I suppose Rico probably figured out I was Manhattan once I suggested I had voted Eloh because Scotty had done it too? Either way, I also tried to hint at that point. Anyway, a fact none of you know is that I was player the Inmates didn't have to kill or lynch to win the game (the only one?). So I figured out nobody else would have to either. God how I was wrong. Never forget about selective serial killers again, DDL.
- Great game Rico and Russ. You fucking earned.
- Sorry civs for my shit-tier baddie-hunting. I have to improve that.
- I still take pride in reviving Scotty, though. I think that was a great move, knowing his role, and giving civs an extra player.
- Why did the three kills fail? Was any of them directed at me?
- lol at Russ being able to recruit someone. Did he ever managed to do that, or was he just unlucky?
- Told you Moloch would have a shitload of abilities.

I really didn't get you claim until today, when it suddenly became clear you thought N5 failed kill was your bounce (it was mine) and got suspicious of active players wanting you lynched. The "baddies want me lynched" threw me off, instead of making the connection that it could have been after a failed kill.

I don't get the Eloh-Scotty connection either in figuring out you were Manhattan (I'm not really that clever :P ), but I'm now glad I felt something was wrong about you from that point on.

Reviving Scotty was great of you, yes.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I deeply apologize to MM and DDL for being forced to deliberately target them for my last two lynches. Win con stuff. No hard feelings, I hope.

linki: G-Man was the first civ to target Russ.

Wait, what? You never targeted me with a puzzle.

I meant target you for a lynch.

What point sending you goofy puzzles, mighty Blue one? :P

So Llama never got to clean Rorschach's list one bit. LC never had a chance.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I am pleased that everyone who hinted lost.

I warn people not to do that shit. People do it anyway. And I don't have to lift a finger against them.

You're so evil.

Sorry Epi, but I did ask you permission before I started hinting. I figured out info dumping would be fine as long as I only implied it. Well, karma is a bitch.

I have a philosophy on info-dumping. I try to make it so that the dumper punishes himself.

@Rico: Oh, I understood "target you with an ability".

Don't worry, this is mafia. I'm not mad at you. Well, just a little. :P

Scotty was one of the trackers (the other was MP). He tracked someone on Night 4. Then he went full tunnel on Eloh at the start of Day 5 and voted her early. I was actually asking him those questions about Elo being Moloch or BF because I didn't think Scotty would be able to track Moloch, but I didn't think Eloh could be BF. In the end, I just said "fuck it" and followed Scotty's vote.

Actually, both Scotty and MP voted very earlier, and later Scotty implied MP might have thought Eloh was BF because he tracked Eloh and got a positive result, when actually she targeted someone else. Now in hindsight, that's probably what happened to him too. So Eloh was lynched by the two trackers, and the guy who knew who one of the trackers was, all following a misinterpreted piece of info.

@Epi: I'll remember that. Again, sorry if I might have made you mad at some point because of it.

How about that Mafia, though?

I think Cookie actually looks the better of all, in the end, so sincere congratulations on going all the way she could. Hope her experiences here will only multiply and improve in the future.

Why did you try to kill me, though?

Epignosis wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Also, I take it Ninja never got close to guessing correctly or having time to do so?

She was here at our house drinking and watching the Watchmen movie and talking a lot about boobs.

She lamented, "No one ever targets me with anything."

I shot back, "Someone targeted you tonight!"

Good times.

True story I did at least get one (incorrect) guess in the first night.

Good game, all!

Ugh, the Elo debacle. Yeah, that was a mistake. It was a gambit, really, since I thought I was soon dead meat, people were finding my noncommital and floppy behavior suspicious, and I couldn't get any luck with tracking at night. N1 I track Scotty, he dies. N2, no result, I thought, 'fuck'.

Finally we had luck with Cookie the night right BEFORE I got lynched, but I was silenced and couldn't even hint about it.

Poetic justice after lynching a silenced Elo, I suppose.

For the record, the reason I was playing particularly washy was because I knew, as a tracker, I would eventually have good information. I just never got it.

nijuukyugou wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Also, I take it Ninja never got close to guessing correctly or having time to do so?

She was here at our house drinking and watching the Watchmen movie and talking a lot about boobs.

She lamented, "No one ever targets me with anything."

I shot back, "Someone targeted you tonight!"

Good times.

True story I did at least get one (incorrect) guess in the first night.

Good game, all!

Which guess was that?

I was hoping the Elo lynch would buy me one LAST result that would hopefully be good. I agonized over that pick. So much. Eventually stuck with Cookie. And it was a good result after all!

I really didn't deserve to win this game, so I'm really glad Rico and Russ were able to. I think they really owned this game. Congrats once again, guys.

Still want to know why each one of the three night kills failed, though. The first one was aimed at Rico. What about the other two?

@MP: So you two never tracked Eloh? LOL

MovingPictures07 wrote:Ugh, the Elo debacle. Yeah, that was a mistake. It was a gambit, really, since I thought I was soon dead meat, people were finding my noncommital and floppy behavior suspicious, and I couldn't get any luck with tracking at night. N1 I track Scotty, he dies. N2, no result, I thought, 'fuck'.

Finally we had luck with Cookie the night right BEFORE I got lynched, but I was silenced and couldn't even hint about it.

Poetic justice after lynching a silenced Elo, I suppose.

For the record, the reason I was playing particularly washy was because I knew, as a tracker, I would eventually have good information. I just never got it.

So what exactly is "tracking"?

Also, no tracking from you N3?

linki: It was clear to me, after your death, that your constant bad read of Cookie was most certain to be genuine tracking.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Still want to know why each one of the three night kills failed, though. The first one was aimed at Rico. What about the other two?

@MP: So you two never tracked Eloh? LOL

How would they track Elo and make a full wolf case on her afterwards?

Yeah, the elo lynch was so wonky from an external perspective. So was the MP lynch. There were a couple of times in this game where I so wanted to be in the thread. I don't really know how cookie and espers managed to last quite as long as they did.

Ricochet wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Also, I take it Ninja never got close to guessing correctly or having time to do so?

She was here at our house drinking and watching the Watchmen movie and talking a lot about boobs.

She lamented, "No one ever targets me with anything."

I shot back, "Someone targeted you tonight!"

Good times.

True story I did at least get one (incorrect) guess in the first night.

Good game, all!

Which guess was that?

Total crapshoot since it was so early in the game:

Night Owl II - Bass
Dr. Manhattan - espers
The Comedian - Ricochet

I don't even remember why I picked those, except that I had a feeling I would die early

No, we never tracked Elo. I really thought she was bad and was willing to pull a gambit -- if I was right, then boom, my tracker partner and I were still both alive. If I was wrong, then it gave me another night to check, since otherwise I likely would have been lynched D5.

I tracked juliets N3.

Scotty tracked me on N4.

So you can see why I was frustrated.

It was a total fail, though, I should have just continued my style of the previous four Days and let you all lynch me; instead, I led a lynch on an innocent civilian who couldn't even defend herself, which led you all to lynch me the subsequent Day, and is surely why TinyBubbles couldn't even bother to post, but could bother to silence me.

Ricochet wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Still want to know why each one of the three night kills failed, though. The first one was aimed at Rico. What about the other two?

@MP: So you two never tracked Eloh? LOL

How would they track Elo and make a full wolf case on her afterwards?

Tracker uses his ability on Eloh.

Epi PMs him back and says "Eloh used an ability on X"

Night ends, X was killed.

Therefore, Eloh is the one who killed X, barring an incredible coincidence.

nijuukyugou wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Also, I take it Ninja never got close to guessing correctly or having time to do so?

She was here at our house drinking and watching the Watchmen movie and talking a lot about boobs.

She lamented, "No one ever targets me with anything."

I shot back, "Someone targeted you tonight!"

Good times.

True story I did at least get one (incorrect) guess in the first night.

Good game, all!

Which guess was that?

Total crapshoot since it was so early in the game:

Night Owl II - Bass
Dr. Manhattan - espers
The Comedian - Ricochet

I don't even remember why I picked those, except that I had a feeling I would die early

I wouldn't have known what to do if I were the Comedian. I'm still surprised MM waited so fucking long to beg for the NK.

Then again, I didn't know what to do as Ozymandias, when I got the part, either.

linki: Ah, so that's what tracking is.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Still want to know why each one of the three night kills failed, though. The first one was aimed at Rico. What about the other two?

@MP: So you two never tracked Eloh? LOL

How would they track Elo and make a full wolf case on her afterwards?

Tracker uses his ability on Eloh.

Epi PMs him back and says "Eloh used an ability on X"

Night ends, X was killed.

Therefore, Eloh is the one who killed X, barring an incredible coincidence.

Exactly.

I figured Scotty was my partner for sure after I had no result N2 and then a result on N4. Then when he started defending me subtly after the N4 result, I knew 100% it was him.

It's possible he thought I had info on Elo that he didn't get to see (i.e., N3) and that's why he followed me.

I was yelling at my computer screen multiple times during the D6 lynch, especially after Scotty uncovered Cookie knew espers replaced out due to RL (when he never said he had any intention to replace out in the thread). Can't believe I died in a three-way tie.

I've been in TWO three-way lynch ties in my entire mafia career and lost them both.

My suspicion on MP was one of the worst things I did in this game too.

Truth is, I've heard a few times about how MP tends to get quite angry when he is lynched as a bad. I assumed spotting mafia MP and lynching him would be very exciting, and also very challenging. When I started suspecting him, I let the thrill of the hunt get the best of me and tunneled hard. I also believe bad MP would emulate all the rainbow lists and the endless questions, so I was prepared to see all that as an elaborate play.

Still want to play against baddie MP, btw.