[END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

[HamburgerBoy]

Can't be me.

[a2thezebra]

No to mm and no to llama.

linki: And no to HamburgerBoy, haha.

[Long Con]

These vibes are already pretty tight!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Don't make me regret my vote.

How would he make you regret your vote? By being bad?

Precisely. And the fact that my vote helped give him the edge over me.

Don't worry about all that, just let me get to work.

More importantly, our agreed-upon transaction will come to fruition probably starting tomorrow. Because I'm going to sleep. Right after being promoted.

Thanks for the votes, y'all!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

No to mm and no to llama.

linki: And no to HamburgerBoy, haha.

One was me!

[espers]

did the syndicate players have their own private day 0 thread? anything happen there?

[Marmot]

I'll start things off with a virtual vote for rundontwalk because that guy's silence is scary.

[Marmot]

I also promised these five players I would not vote for them today.

• DrWilgy
  thellama73
  Sorsha
  birdwithteeth11
  Devin the Omniscient

Because this is a crime against the state.

[a2thezebra]

No to mm and no to llama.

linki: And no to HamburgerBoy, haha.

One was me!

I didn't think to count Day 0 since it's, well...gone, so that makes five posts that caught me off guard. And you are incorrect as well 3J, because three of them are yours counting Day 0. Here's a little RYM Records exclusive context for those in the dark.

3J's opening post in Day 0 set off an alarm for me and some others, (I believe I was the second or third to point out how suspicious it seemed, and I believe someone even asked 3J if he was asking to be lynched) as he basically excused himself to be somewhat absent for the game, his reasons being that he was on vacation and that he also has another game going on. When I confronted him he responded by saying that he's normally a more minimal poster than most. I responded by saying that if he's known for being a somewhat minimal poster than why bother excusing his even more minimal behavior? But I let him off the hook in the same response because I have been known for my tunnel vision and it has gotten civilians lynched before. It's also interesting that I'm the first person from RYM Day 0 to mention this. When Bernie Sanders Matt F asked if anything of note happened on Day 0, I found it odd that Golden responded with a no, but (in the same post) since he seemed to have missed the end of that day I'm not sure if he missed my exchange with 3J or any of his posts that day. Maybe he's off the hook, maybe not. But again, it is a little disconcerting to me that I am the only one to have mentioned this exchange, even if it was a light suspicion at the time.

Now I try to base my suspicions off of individual scum-reads rather than observing what seems like a scum team, but something caught me off guard during Dusk 0 that was very hard to ignore with or without the context of 3J the day before. Enter sig.

I'd like to recommend myself for the Syndicate CEO assistant position. Facts are I'm well-versed in music, with an acquired taste in significant eclectic genre.

As for who I'm voting, I'd like to hear some pitches first. Give me some insight into your music preferences, stuff you're passionate about, etc..

linki: Deflecting the question, ey, Marshy?

Kansas is the greatest band ever.

I am disqualified, aren't I?

Kansas is great I will vote for you just for that reason alone.

Epignosis
JaggedJimmyJay

sig votes for Epignosis providing as decent of a reason for it as any (Kansas is pretty damn awesome, but I digress) but then votes for 3J providing no reason whatsoever, not even a humorous one or the simple explanation that it was a random vote. It comes out of nowhere, and it is noteworthy that this is both sig's first post and the first vote for 3J. But then it gets better...

Kansas is great I will vote for you just for that reason alone.

Epignosis
JaggedJimmyJay

You just won my vote. Voting sig and 3J.

Epignosis votes for sig I suppose because he voted for him as well as mutual appreciation of Kansas. But then we have another inexplicable vote for 3J that is neither explained nor noted other than the vote itself. And now, enter 3J.

With all due respect to our honorary RYMers (they're super neat), we should band together as an RYM gang and ensure the Syndicateers don't pick our CEO for us just based on who they know. :P

I'll vote for one of my biggest influences MacDougall, and the guy that gets night killed every ten minutes because baddies are terrified Epignosis.

I'm going to try to use colors when I bold my votes because I absolutely cannot see the plain white bold.

I'll be fair, outside of the vote for Epignosis there's nothing suspicious here. But his reason for voting for him seems fake in the greater context. This came about half an hour after Epig's vote for 3J but 3J doesn't reference this, instead picking a whole new reason to vote for Epig, which is humorous. It just doesn't seem genuine to me. And then....this.....

But really though llama, are you bad?

This is why first impressions are often correct. I've tried, I've really tried, but even when I block out 3J's post excusing him from activity (which is now especially suspicious since he seems far from inactive, as if he was excusing potential inactivity from fear of slipping some susfishes) in Day 0, as well as the context of his inexplicable votes, (which resulted in his win) this post is just...oh man.

It comes twelve minutes after the last post that was in reference to the suspicions (which I remind you, were sarcastic for crying out loud) that bwt had for llama. That exchange didn't set any alarms off for anyone until 3J made this post. It comes off as unbelievably opportunistic. Take a close look at that page, the posts, the times they were posted, and so on, put everything in context, and tell me JJJ isn't a decent suspect at the moment. And again, the reason I avoid group suspicions is that if one of the people you suggest turns out to be good, your credibility is destroyed and whoever else you mentioned gets off the hook whether they're good or not. But I can't help but feel a possible JJJ/Epignosis/sig thing going on. No hard conclusions yet, I'm trying to play it safe and I may end up voting for someone absent if I'm not confident enough and/or I see some good defenses for this. We shall see.

[Marmot]

3J's opening post in Day 0 set off an alarm for me and some others, (I believe I was the second or third to point out how suspicious it seemed, and I believe someone even asked 3J if he was asking to be lynched) as he basically excused himself to be somewhat absent for the game, his reasons being that he was on vacation and that he also has another game going on. When I confronted him he responded by saying that he's normally a more minimal poster than most. I responded by saying that if he's known for being a somewhat minimal poster than why bother excusing his even more minimal behavior? But I let him off the hook in the same response because I have been known for my tunnel vision and it has gotten civilians lynched before. It's also interesting that I'm the first person from RYM Day 0 to mention this. When Bernie Sanders Matt F asked if anything of note happened on Day 0, I found it odd that Golden responded with a no, but (in the same post) since he seemed to have missed the end of that day I'm not sure if he missed my exchange with 3J or any of his posts that day. Maybe he's off the hook, maybe not. But again, it is a little disconcerting to me that I am the only one to have mentioned this exchange, even if it was a light suspicion at the time.

This has got to be one of the silliest things I've ever heard.

[Marmot]

Also, votes are changeable in this poll.

[thellama73]

Agreed that just asking someone whether they are bad on Day 1 is super scummy.

That's a pretty good case, Rbzmzmnzzzxzxzxzxz. I'll have to sleep on it.

[Marmot]

Agreed that just asking someone whether they are bad on Day 1 is super scummy.

That's a pretty good case, Rbzmzmnzzzxzxzxzxz. I'll have to sleep on it.

What if I told you that Jay asked that question on Day 0?

[Marmot]

EBWOP: Dusk 0.

[a2thezebra]

@MM On my part or his?

linki MM: I am aware, but I still don't want to be too trigger-happy and start influencing people before we see a defense.

linki llama: Gracias, but why didn't you call him out on that at the time? Too busy in defense mode?

linki MMx2: Tru tru

[bcornett24]

I would normally start off with a vote for sleepystalinist, but he is not here so instead, I'll vote for motel room because he has something to do with sleeping.

[a2thezebra]

Also anyone scared to spell my name can just call me

Spoiler: show

zebra

[thellama73]

linki llama: Gracias, but why didn't you call him out on that at the time? Too busy in defense mode?

I was joking about that part. I ask people that exact question on Day 1 almost every game, so that is why JJJ asked it to me.

[a2thezebra]

linki llama: Gracias, but why didn't you call him out on that at the time? Too busy in defense mode?

I was joking about that part. I ask people that exact question on Day 1 almost every game, so that is why JJJ asked it to me.

That certainly puts a damper. I got no impression at all that 3J wasn't serious.

[thellama73]

linki llama: Gracias, but why didn't you call him out on that at the time? Too busy in defense mode?

I was joking about that part. I ask people that exact question on Day 1 almost every game, so that is why JJJ asked it to me.

That certainly puts a damper. I got no impression at all that 3J wasn't serious.

Pro tip, though: If you ask someone if they are bad, and they don't deny it, they usually turn out to be bad.

[a2thezebra]

linki llama: Gracias, but why didn't you call him out on that at the time? Too busy in defense mode?

I was joking about that part. I ask people that exact question on Day 1 almost every game, so that is why JJJ asked it to me.

That certainly puts a damper. I got no impression at all that 3J wasn't serious.

Pro tip, though: If you ask someone if they are bad, and they don't deny it, they usually turn out to be bad.

Do you have any suspicions at this point?

[thellama73]

Do you have any suspicions at this point?

I actually don't, which is kind of frustrating. We have 48 hours though. They will come with time.

While we're here, I might as well ask: are you bad?

Current track: Johann Sebastian Bach - Invention Number 1 in C Major (1:19)

[Marmot]

@MM On my part or his?

On his part. Let me pull up some Syndicate statistics.

Economics Mafia, Jay had 769 posts.
Bullets over Broadway, Jay had 294 posts, but he subbed in Day 6.
Recruitment Mafia, Jay had 458 posts, but was killed Night 6.

Not your run-of-the-mill minimal poster.

[thellama73]

Yeah, I would never classify JJJ as a low poster. He participates.

[a2thezebra]

Do you have any suspicions at this point?

I actually don't, which is kind of frustrating. We have 48 hours though. They will come with time.

While we're here, I might as well ask: are you bad?

Current track: Johann Sebastian Bach - Invention Number 1 in C Major (1:19)

Only in real life. I do find it a bit odd that you would give me a pro-tip that

a) I don't necessarily agree with going by my admittedly inferior experience
b) fits well with your denial of being bad to both bwt and 3J
c) sets me up to either fail or be suggested by you or someone else that I only denied it because of the pro-tip you just gave me

linki: Well it's good to know that at least some of my case is plausible.

[sig]

@Rbzmncaeaei
I'm truly honored I'm not usually noticed until later in the game unless it is scum trying to set me up for playing messy and get me lynched.........oh wait know I see why I was mentioned by you. (I couldn't find a crying emoji)

My two votes were completely random, even my vote for Epi was a joke see the Kansas reference, I understand it is Day 1 and we have little to go on but this seems kinda very weak. To think that three mafia members (Myself, Epu, and J3) would be so blatant with such budding up in thread and even voting for each other is far fetched. It seems like your trying to throw mud at the wall and see what sticks this can be civ behavior or mafia bangwagon setups.

Yes I did vote in my first post why wouldn't I have? Could you explain how this adds to your case against me?

Finally you say you might not vote for any of us three but instead someone who hasn't posted that is also interesting, but again nothing to telling.
Know though you say unless we can defend ourselves how can I defend myself from something like that? Your trying to weave a theory together out of nothing at least with a connection between the three of us.

I find you suspicious since you find me suspicious.
I also find bcornett24 post interesting. His very random vote is strange, but I've encountered others who do this for no reason regardless of alignment.

[reywaS]

hello

[Matt]

...I understand it is Day 1 and we have little to go on but this seems kinda very weak.

Not sure how I feel about Rbz's theory, however, if you are civ, then shouldn't this read "...but this IS very weak" as opposed to "seems" and "kinda" ?

[sig]

seems kinda weak* I originally put very, but decided to switch it. The reason for that is her portion on 3J is interesting, while not damning evidence I can see that case being stronger then the one against me.

[sig]

...I understand it is Day 1 and we have little to go on but this seems kinda very weak.

Not sure how I feel about Rbz's theory, however, if you are civ, then shouldn't this read "...but this IS very weak" as opposed to "seems" and "kinda" ?

Also It could read is very weak, but it isn't very weak it just seems kinda weak. Writing is very weak is more confrontation in my opinion as well as implying it was meant to be weak. While seems kinda weak is just that is seems weak but it might not be.

This is quibbling over something very small, why if I'm civ would I right it the first way instead of the second way?

[a2thezebra]

@Rbzmncaeaei
I'm truly honored I'm not usually noticed until later in the game unless it is scum trying to set me up for playing messy and get me lynched.........oh wait know I see why I was mentioned by you. (I couldn't find a crying emoji)

Right off the bat you are VERY defensive here considering I've yet to cast even a temporary vote for anyone (and I think I made it clear that it would be 3J rather than you anyway), so whether or not this is out of character for you is up to the Syndicatees to decide.

My two votes were completely random, even my vote for Epi was a joke see the Kansas reference

I've already made both of these observations.

...I understand it is Day 1 and we have little to go on but this seems kinda very weak.

Kinda very? These two words put next to each other tell me you were a little nervous with this defense, which, granted, does not automatically imply that you are bad.

To think that three mafia members (Myself, Epu, and J3) would be so blatant with such budding up in thread and even voting for each other is far fetched.

So basically you're telling me that it's far-fetched to suggest that something is suspicious because of how suspicious it would be? Yikes.

It seems like your trying to throw mud at the wall and see what sticks this can be civ behavior or mafia bangwagon setups.

Yes I did vote in my first post why wouldn't I have? Could you explain how this adds to your case against me?

The fact that you voted in your first post wasn't my point, the point was that you appeared to make two random votes but one was given an explanation and the other wasn't, as if it was meant to be ignored. I noted that it was your first post to emphasize that neither you nor anyone else at that point had mentioned 3J or had provided any context that would lead to that vote having a reason. Just about every other random vote in the game (one of the exceptions is Epig's vote for 3J) was given at least some humorous or casual reason. Music, name, reference to another game, anything. You gave nothing, not even a "why not". Your post made it seem like you were trying to be inconspicuous with that vote.

Finally you say you might not vote for any of us three but instead someone who hasn't posted that is also interesting, but again nothing to telling.

You seem a little overly cautious to stay on the fence here.

Know though you say unless we can defend ourselves how can I defend myself from something like that? Your trying to weave a theory together out of nothing at least with a connection between the three of us.

Nothing? Really? My case isn't the greatest in the world but I'd like to see someone that wasn't a target of it call it nothing.

I find you suspicious since you find me suspicious.

I find you more suspicious since you find me suspicious since I find you suspicious.

I also find bcornett24 post interesting. His very random vote is strange, but I've encountered others who do this for no reason regardless of alignment.

With him I think he's posting before catching up on the thread, as evidenced by him thinking the first vote was a lynch vote. I usually make one or two posts before catching up, but time will tell what's really going on. I'm watching him but I wouldn't want to call him out over nothing.

linki: Ba-da-bing

[Matt]

Rbz (or any RYMer), what did your group do during Day 0?

[a2thezebra]

Rbz (or any RYMer), what did your group do during Day 0?

We discussed off-topic stuff, the functions of the game, made RYM references, those who haven't been here before got used to the posting options like sarcasm font and dead font, and as far as I remember the only thing anyone thought was suspicious was JJJ's post. If I had known the thread would've disappeared I definitely would've paid more attention.

[Marmot]

Rbz (or any RYMer), what did your group do during Day 0?

Nothing. :P

Apparently Zebra and Jay talked about some things that I don't recall or just plain missed. Zebra went over that one of his posts.

FZ. never showed up.

Seaside was the most active poster and asked a ton of questions.

I accidentally implied I was civilian.

Jay did say he wasn't going to be around much due to going to Sweden and playing another game (I do remember that post).

rundontwalk and FZ. both did not participate in our Day 0 poll, althought rdw did check into the thread.

Strawhenge posted too many sirens for my liking.

We wondered if there was another thread for the Syndicate folks.

More probably happened, but I don't recall anything else off the top of my head.

[Matt]

Rbz (or any RYMer), what did your group do during Day 0?

We discussed off-topic stuff, the functions of the game, made RYM references, those who haven't been here before got used to the posting options like sarcasm font and dead font, and as far as I remember the only thing anyone thought was suspicious was JJJ's post. If I had known the thread would've disappeared I definitely would've paid more attention.

Did your group have any sort of poll or mission?

Linki MM

What was the poll about? Do you recall which options won (by number in the order they were presented on the poll.) ? All of this probably means nothing, but I'm just curious.

Our poll consisted of what kind of extra limited abilities certain players would get, and I believe options 2, 5, and 7 won. Although, option 3 might've pulled ahead of 2 in the last few votes, I don't recall.

[a2thezebra]

The poll was about ranking a set of unrelated (?) songs from different artists and no ties were allowed.

[Marmot]

Yay for cookies.

"Who Is It?"
2
Diiny (4), Rbzmncaeaei (42)
4%

"Girls Just Want to Be with the Girls"
5
TheFloyd73 (10), HamburgerBoy (23), espers (29), Golden (34), motel room (37)
11%

"Cities"
8
Strawhenge (5), espers (12), sanmateo (13), Metalmarsh89 (15), bcornett24 (20), seaside (30), Choutas (32), motel room (38)
17%

"The Overload"
9
Diiny (3), Metalmarsh89 (7), TheFloyd73 (8), sanmateo (14), seaside (18), HamburgerBoy (21), MacDougall (26), bcornett24 (27), JaggedJimmyJay (40)
19%

"Moon Rocks"
7
seaside (17), HamburgerBoy (22), Golden (36), motel room (39), Rbzmncaeaei (41), Choutas (44), JaggedJimmyJay (45)
15%

"Stay Up Late"
6
Diiny (2), Strawhenge (16), Metalmarsh89 (19), espers (28), Golden (35), Choutas (43)
13%

"Radio Head"
4
Strawhenge (6), TheFloyd73 (9), MacDougall (25), JaggedJimmyJay (46)
9%

"Mr. Jones"
3
MacDougall (24), bcornett24 (31), Rbzmncaeaei (47)

[a2thezebra]

I remember getting mildly frustrated because two or three people came in and voted without reading the no-tie rule so me and two or three others had to fix it.

linki:

[sig]

Rbzmncaeaei I find you suspicious that you find it suspicious that I find you suspicious for thinking I'm suspicious.

Your counter argument is very good, though I don't believe there is any connection. I might have come off as being overly defense, but in my experience it is better to be proactive in defending oneself then being accused of ignoring what others have said about you. As I said Matt I didn't mean to keep the very there it just kinda happened.

When I mentioned bcornett24 I was unaware that we were allowed to change votes this game, this makes his early vote less strange.

linki: Interesting our day 0 poll was about different abilities such as option one does so and so.

[Marmot]

Rbzmncaeaei I find you suspicious that you find it suspicious that I find you suspicious for thinking I'm suspicious.

Your counter argument is very good, though I don't believe there is any connection. I might have come off as being overly defense, but in my experience it is better to be proactive in defending oneself then being accused of ignoring what others have said about you. As I said Matt I didn't mean to keep the very there it just kinda happened.

When I mentioned bcornett24 I was unaware that we were allowed to change votes this game, this makes his early vote less strange.

linki: Interesting our day 0 poll was about different abilities such as option one does so and so.

It's in the rules (which I agree are very long and mundane), but someone did pointed this out already.

You also used the word interesting to describe your first suspect.

I'm going to bed, and my vote stays on rdw at least until he posts.

[a2thezebra]

Rbzmncaeaei I find you suspicious that you find it suspicious that I find you suspicious for thinking I'm suspicious.

Your counter argument is very good, though I don't believe there is any connection. I might have come off as being overly defense, but in my experience it is better to be proactive in defending oneself then being accused of ignoring what others have said about you. As I said Matt I didn't mean to keep the very there it just kinda happened.

When I mentioned bcornett24 I was unaware that we were allowed to change votes this game, this makes his early vote less strange.

linki: Interesting our day 0 poll was about different abilities such as option one does so and so.

I am pleased with this response in its entirety.

But needless to say, the eye remains.

[Matt]

Does anyone have a screenshot of the Syndicate poll?

I forget a lot of the options, but I'm pretty sure our option 2 was "all girls gain temporary BTSC", and your option 2 is "Girls just want to be with girls", so it seems they correspond.

[Matt]

I also believe our option 1 was a role check, corresponding with your "Who is it?" option, and our option 3 had to do with players living in certain cities, and your option 3 is "Cities".



I'd like to see a screenshot of the Syndicate's side so we can compare voters to options.

[Sorsha]

Syndicates option 5 was to throw rocks at players (to block them) and 7 had something to do with tracking a player.

[kneel4justice]

did the syndicate players have their own private day 0 thread? anything happen there?

Yes, we did.
The biggest thing that happened was between Richchet and Matt F. We had a poll with special abilities options, but MP said that we won't want to have any ties. After some votes had been made, Ricochet came in and voted for the only option with 0 votes and tied it with an option that had 1 vote (so, had that option not gotten any votes it would have been in no danger of being tied). He made a statement about how fixing that tie was future voters problem or something - I am not sure how he phrased it, so don't rely too heavily on my paraphrasing. Anyways, his comment struck Matt F as suspicious and they exchanged a back and forth. Ricochet then made some questionable statements, such as 'I'll answer your questions, if you promise not to twist my words ' (or something like that), to which Matt F found suspicious. It turns out Ricochet was just quoting Talking Head lyrics though (not the original comment about breaking the tie).

That was difficult to recall. Members who were in The Syndicate group, please correct me if I am wrong about anything.
BTW - do you guys think there will be more thread divisions - or hidden phases that we can no longer access? We might want to save some posts that we find suspicious, if that is the case? Otherwise we won't be able to clearly refer to the evidence. IDK if this twist is a familiar thing to either forum (I have only played maybe 3 or 4 games here on TS).


I wish I could see RYM's Night 0.
It is difficult suspecting people based on summaries rather than actually being able to read the posts. But Zebra does seem to have a good (thought out) case on JJJ. But, I don't know that there is much credibility to the voting between Epi/JJJ/Sig. I doubt that they would want to establish that connection - I certainly wouldn't, but, perhaps players here just have a completely different mindset than me.

[Choutas]

Thanks MP for tripping and getting us into this mess. I had a date with a scorching brunette and now I have to play a mafia with a bunch of smelly, uncivilized game engineers. When this is over I'll be bringing this over to the union...

[Choutas]

I think I did my debt to the theme. I watched Stop Making Sense last night. I thought it was good. TH are musically great yet my style is miles away from that. New Wave must be my least favorite good period of rock. I have to say however that Girlfriend is Better is really addictive I have it on repeat.
I've played dozens of game with JJJ. He never scumslips and he always had motivation issues when he supertown hard. He must surely have limited time to spend on mafia and he feels he has to set the mood early in to not appear as a lurker(lurker for J's standards).
This might be only a theory, please listen and expand to it. Wouldn't the guys with BTSC(mafia) have the upper hand in claiming the assistant to the CEO? They can coordinate their votes and the required votes are less than the mafia numbers(I think it's 7). With the right coordination they can set some votes after a random guy votes on of them and claim the spot for either RYM or the Syndicate.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Zebra, you and I are going to get along so well if you continue to play Mafia. This is Day 1 of your first game ever (on RYM or The Syndicate at least), and you're already multi-quote-casing someone. It's me I understand, but I'm not even mad. You ate the whole wheel of cheese. I'm going to explain a few things that you understandably aren't aware of that might affect your perspective here.

I didn't think to count Day 0 since it's, well...gone, so that makes five posts that caught me off guard. And you are incorrect as well 3J, because three of them are yours counting Day 0. Here's a little RYM Records exclusive context for those in the dark.

3J's opening post in Day 0 set off an alarm for me and some others, (I believe I was the second or third to point out how suspicious it seemed, and I believe someone even asked 3J if he was asking to be lynched) as he basically excused himself to be somewhat absent for the game, his reasons being that he was on vacation and that he also has another game going on. When I confronted him he responded by saying that he's normally a more minimal poster than most. I responded by saying that if he's known for being a somewhat minimal poster than why bother excusing his even more minimal behavior? But I let him off the hook in the same response because I have been known for my tunnel vision and it has gotten civilians lynched before.

I really am going on vacation quite soon, to Stockholm, Sweden. That will have a significant impact on my ability to participate at a JJJ-type pace.

When I told you that I'm not known for posting very much, I was absolutely lying. You're new to both sides of this crowd and it amused me to even say that ever. Truly I am known for leading more games in post count than not. I nearly never finish a game with two digits of posts, even if I am killed on the first night. That's why I felt the need to inform everyone that there will be time constraints for me this game. If I am unable to post at my normal clip, it will draw the attention of many and I'd prefer to stem that tide on Day 0.

I'll be fair, outside of the vote for Epignosis there's nothing suspicious here. But his reason for voting for him seems fake in the greater context. This came about half an hour after Epig's vote for 3J but 3J doesn't reference this, instead picking a whole new reason to vote for Epig, which is humorous. It just doesn't seem genuine to me. And then....this.....

Oh sure, Epi's vote for me probably influenced my willingness to vote for him on some level. Still, the reason I provided was the truest inspiration. Every time I've played a game with him so far, he's either died immediately, or died right after he and I started duking it out before we could resolve the fight.

This is why first impressions are often correct. I've tried, I've really tried, but even when I block out 3J's post excusing him from activity (which is now especially suspicious since he seems far from inactive, as if he was excusing potential inactivity from fear of slipping some susfishes) in Day 0, as well as the context of his inexplicable votes, (which resulted in his win) this post is just...oh man.

It comes twelve minutes after the last post that was in reference to the suspicions (which I remind you, were sarcastic for crying out loud) that bwt had for llama. That exchange didn't set any alarms off for anyone until 3J made this post. It comes off as unbelievably opportunistic. Take a close look at that page, the posts, the times they were posted, and so on, put everything in context, and tell me JJJ isn't a decent suspect at the moment. And again, the reason I avoid group suspicions is that if one of the people you suggest turns out to be good, your credibility is destroyed and whoever else you mentioned gets off the hook whether they're good or not. But I can't help but feel a possible JJJ/Epignosis/sig thing going on. No hard conclusions yet, I'm trying to play it safe and I may end up voting for someone absent if I'm not confident enough and/or I see some good defenses for this. We shall see.

I don't think I have ever seem someone attempt to line up an interaction-based theory on three bad guys this early in a game. I think your approach is completely misguided, dear Zebra, but I am so happy to even see it. There's a very important contextual component of my "Are you bad?" post that you couldn't possibly know yet -- thellama73 is known for asking people if they're bad early in games. I asked him because it was fun to pull the maneuver on its usual executor.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

More importantly, I already have a strong town read. Rbzmncaeaei (who I will be calling Zebra).

[Ricochet]

Hi hi hi hi hi

I don't get what the Host meant by "first virtual reality mafia game ever". If so, you may ask yourself, what have we been doing this entire time, playing online mafia?

How did we get here?!

I will vote today for someone who didn't vote to elect me. Which basically means my vote might go to anyone today.

It seems the RYM poll's song choices completely match our poll's power descriptions. That screenshot of RYM's poll really helps, but I'm not sure if anyone on our side saved it. Probably because MM isn't on our side. I was not present when the Day 0 was wrapped up, but I remember the poll being tie free and option 5 or 7 with the most votes - those two options most certainly the top two choices.

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K47, that mauve or whatever it is is killing my eyesight on the dark skin. Is it your usual style to color player names? Could you consider a better color, please, or is that the one you regularly use?

Also, everyone (playing with the first time with me) can call me Rico if the Chet is too bothersome. Or mafia champ. It's short for Ricochet, after all. Oh, and if any other RYM member has tips for nicknaming, let me know.

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Seaside was the most active poster and asked a ton of questions.

Interesting. I don't think he posted once yet in the main game.

I accidentally implied I was civilian.

But you're not, right?

How can you accidentally imply you are civilian? Isn't that like the most basic claim used in mafia history, at the beginning and throughout the games?

Here, lemme make you imply some more: Are you bad?

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I like zebra's first initiative, but give me time to work it out.

- JJJ announcing, at the start of a game, that he might (or will?) have participation issues doesn't strike me as out of the ordinary. Wait till we'll try to shake low posters out of hibernation, to tell us or do something, by comparison.

- His implication that he's a minimal poster is bonkers, although I'm not aware if "minimal poster than most" is true over on RYM. Over here, he's a posting machine - in both the sense of how often he posts and how involved he is. In one recently ended game, he was killed Day 5 or 6 (out of 14 Days overall) and he was way ahead in post count by 200 or so (and finished the game as top poster).

- Nobody picking up on that (such as Golden, as zebra says) could perhaps mean that his apologetic post about being absent didn't constitute a ping for the others. But I'm just making an assumption here, the players on RYM camp would have to actually say more about this.

- One reason JJJ could have gotten less reasoned votes from Syn camp players would be that he's the more familiar face among RYM players. Just like MM's was the familiar face and popular vote, for some, among RYM guest players. I think sig wasn't the only one to put his vote on JJJ right away, but I'd need to double check the quotes on that.

- JJJ's reference to Epig being a popular victim early in games is genuine and can be backed. Although, now that you mention it, it is a bit interesting that he'd push Epig to get elected for the very reason that he draws the mafia's ire a lot of times. Then again, much of the voting reasoning wasn't too srs bizz overall, so I'm not sure how much to read into this.

- "Are you bad" off-the-bat questionings are frequent around here and not pingey. Contrary to what Llama said, however, I'd also add the "players evading a straight answer must be bad" equation is not soundproof. In fact, llama himself screwed up catching mafia with this idea more often than he managed to hook anything.

So, again, I like this scan, but I'm not sure I have strong feelings about it at the moment.

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I think I did my debt to the theme. I watched Stop Making Sense last night. I thought it was good. TH are musically great yet my style is miles away from that. New Wave must be my least favorite good period of rock. I have to say however that Girlfriend is Better is really addictive I have it on repeat.
I've played dozens of game with JJJ. He never scumslips and he always had motivation issues when he supertown hard. He must surely have limited time to spend on mafia and he feels he has to set the mood early in to not appear as a lurker(lurker for J's standards).
This might be only a theory, please listen and expand to it. Wouldn't the guys with BTSC(mafia) have the upper hand in claiming the assistant to the CEO? They can coordinate their votes and the required votes are less than the mafia numbers(I think it's 7). With the right coordination they can set some votes after a random guy votes on of them and claim the spot for either RYM or the Syndicate.

Isn't that a little generic? Any lynch poll, options poll, extra poll etc. could in theory be influenced by a few mafia trying to take advantage of options that would suit them, if those options already got some civ votes. It's true that, for a poll in which the first to five (exceptionally, six, in JJJ and MM's case) would get elected, the window of opportunity is comfortable enough for only a handful of mafia members to blend in. But I don't find blatancy to be the most common mafia tactic, except if it happens to be that one in ten games where they'd decide to totally go balls on the walls. Judging from the result, I see a few recurrent voters among the elected (and runner-up, in RYM's case) players, but they're split between JJJ and MM on RYM's side, plus the rest of the votes are pretty spread. Shall we instantly assume the recurrent votes are the pushing ones? Idk, doesn't seem like a safe assumption, at this stage.