The Syndicate

If I can't vote luke for the second day in a row, I'm going to be really gutted.

Luke is the last harkonnen, and its just going to mean another person dies unnecessarily.

Golden wrote:I think it means irulan trusts me, and thinks you should listen to me.

I also think a lot of you still think Irulan could be bad, but I'm one of the few people telling you all that they are not.

I'm not talking about FZ, either.

I ... don't agree.

The only one making lists is you.

MacDougall wrote:

Golden wrote:I think it means irulan trusts me, and thinks you should listen to me.

I also think a lot of you still think Irulan could be bad, but I'm one of the few people telling you all that they are not.

I'm not talking about FZ, either.

I ... don't agree.

The only one making lists is you.

You may not agree, but you are wrong. I've been a vocal supporter of Irulan for most of the game.

And I am not the only one making lists. I made one list, very late in the day, in a game where night actions are not changeable.

In the mean time, for example:

Elohcin wrote:These are the players, in alphabetical order, that I think have any chance of being the last Hark. Of course I suspect come more than others and one, I don;t even really suspect at all. I will review them as thoroughly as I can before I vote. I still have this nagging feeling that Niju is bad and seeing how quiet she can be before anyone looks at her .

Bea
Banana
FZ
Niju
Sorsha

What is that if not a list?

I finally figured out why you keep calling that guy Sting

The first time I read the message from the Princess I thought the same thing as Mac... That she's trying to tell us Golden is bad. I have reasons to disagree with this but if there was a recruit I could see it.

RIP SVS

Mac, all I can say is...

You are stuck on your own paranoid theory, and you won't lose sight of it. But I've given you SO much evidence to work with that I'm telling the truth. You know, I believe, for a fact that I'm not the last Harkonnen. So you are stuck on the idea of a recruit instead.

How about this - lets get the last Harkonnen, and if the game doesn't end, then lets cut our allies to pieces with accusations of being a traitor.

linki @sorsha - exactly, 'if there was a recruit'. Only if there was a recruit.

Mac, listen to sorsha.

I will be so fucked off if the civilians lose this game because of infighting. The SVS/FZ fight was bad enough. Matt, Mac, FZ, bea, eloh, sorsha, me, ninja... the eight of us are all DEFINITELY NOT FEYD-RAUTHA.

There is literally no reason we should be lynching any of us before luke or banana.

@Mac - if luke is the last baddie, and we keep not having the option to lynch him, what should we do?

I voted Luke.

Yesterday, I narrowed the last harkonnen down to him or floyd. I admit if I'd had the chance to pick either, I probably still would have gone floyd. But I felt like it was a 50/50 shot.

Today, with floyd gone and not bad, I feel this is a 100% shot.

Luke is the last harkonnen. If I'm wrong, lynch me tomorrow.

(although technically the civilians would still have a better chance not lynching me tomorrow. But, unless banana is playing a pretty dubious tactic, it has to be luke.)

Golden wrote:I voted Luke.

Yesterday, I narrowed the last harkonnen down to him or floyd. I admit if I'd had the chance to pick either, I probably still would have gone floyd. But I felt like it was a 50/50 shot.

Today, with floyd gone and not bad, I feel this is a 100% shot.

Luke is the last harkonnen. If I'm wrong, lynch me tomorrow.

Golden, take a chill. We have a whole day to go over this.

I don't like it when supposed civvies say "lynch me tomorrow if I'm wrong". What does that even mean?

It means I'm not wrong.

I don't need the whole day to go over it, I've had 5 days and nights already.

And there is also literally nothing anyone could do or say that would change my vote from luke to any other person. And not because my vote is forced. It's not.

So Luke killed SVS just now, is that what you're saying?

Okay Golden. You have one lynch. If Luke isn't scum I wil end you.

I'm not bad, I'm a civ

MacDougall wrote:Okay Golden. You have one lynch. If Luke isn't scum I wil end you.

Are you kidding?

I asked you your top three suspects, you said FZ, Golden, and Blooper. Now you're voting Luke right away on Golden's say so?

Yesterday he promised us Floyd as Harkonnen and me as Floyd's recruit. Day 1 he promised Zebra or he'd be gobsmacked, if I recall.

Stop voting for Luke please. Yes he very well may be mafia, but we have 48 hours. C'mon now.

Mac, why are you voting for me all of a sudden, this makes you look like mafia so that when I'm lynched and golden is wrong he will get lynched tomorrow and you have a better chance of winning as a bad guy because two civvies are dead.

Matt F wrote:Yesterday he promised us Floyd as Harkonnen and me as Floyd's recruit.

Bollocks.

Yesterday, in fact, I promised something very different:

Golden wrote:If Floyd isn't the last harkonnen, I am absolutely confident it is luke. I'm not sure what Matt's game is, but it could well be setting up a civilian FZ lynch tomorrow. And yes, it will be a civilian lynch.

Golden wrote:@Matt - either floyd or luke is the last harkonnen. Luke isn't on the poll. Do the work if you like, but I would lynch a million civs before lynching FZ.

Golden wrote:Otherwise, just remember I trusted you on MM, I trust SVS on bea, I think its time to trust me on FZ. That doesn't necessarily have to mean you vote floyd.

And once again, Matt... your insistent approach to me makes me think, once again, that you would be the recruit if there is one. You fought me tooth and nail yesterday, and you are doing it again, but to say that yesterday I promised that Floyd WAS the last baddie is simply untrue.

I consistently promised that FZ wasn't, and that it was EITHER floyd or luke.

Holy toledo!

I just read Luke's ISO, and it is odd.

The day sig gets forced votes, Luke asks why everyone is voting for sig. The day Turnip is lynched, Floyd votes for TH, Luke says "can you please explain your vote". He seems to get specifically interested in players when it's the bad guys (and before we know they're the bad guys).

Also, Golden, calm down. That's all I'm asking. We have 48 hours.

Matt F wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Okay Golden. You have one lynch. If Luke isn't scum I wil end you.

Are you kidding?

I asked you your top three suspects, you said FZ, Golden, and Blooper. Now you're voting Luke right away on Golden's say so?

Yesterday he promised us Floyd as Harkonnen and me as Floyd's recruit. Day 1 he promised Zebra or he'd be gobsmacked, if I recall.

Stop voting for Luke please. Yes he very well may be mafia, but we have 48 hours. C'mon now.

That message says one of two things. Golden is right or Golden is scum. We shall test.

@Matt - I am perfectly calm.

I don't need 48 hours.

I don't need any hours, or even minutes.

It isn't FZ. It isn't ninja. It isn't bea. It isn't Mac. It isn't Eloh. It isn't you. And I know it isn't me. That leaves Sorsha (who would have to be the bussiest, most townie baddie of all time), banana (who would have to be the most lamoest lame baddie of all time, if he is literally only showing up to place kills) or luke.

The timing of Luke just now showing up in a panic to post is a bit of a giveaway tbh.

Matt F wrote:Holy toledo!

I just read Luke's ISO, and it is odd.

The day sig gets forced votes, Luke asks why everyone is voting for sig. The day Turnip is lynched, Floyd votes for TH, Luke says "can you please explain your vote". He seems to get specifically interested in players when it's the bad guys (and before we know they're the bad guys).

Also, Golden, calm down. That's all I'm asking. We have 48 hours.

I asked those questions because no one was answering.

MacDougall wrote:The timing of Luke just now showing up in a panic to post is a bit of a giveaway tbh.

I'm not panicking, I just don't want to get lynched and for everyone to lose another civvie

FZ - Where you at? Your thoughts on Golden? (and before Golden says I'm trying to set him up, no that's not what I'm doing)

Matt F wrote:FZ - Where you at? Your thoughts on Golden? (and before Golden says I'm trying to set him up, no that's not what I'm doing)

I think Golden is good.

RIP SVS. We were both wrong about each other. Sorry this got a little ugly.


Question: If Banana was the last baddie standing (assuming no recruits), would Epi really let us continue the game? Wouldn't that just be the lamest thing ever?

Before I have to go, one more question:

Say Banana is the last baddie, but that there was a recruit before all the other baddies died, who would be the best option for that? I would target Sorsha for a kill or a recruit (not sure how it works) after the MM incident. She was very dangerous to the town. So you either want to block her every day (which you can't), or you want to take her out of the equation somehow, no?

Have you noticed that Sorsha hasn't had anything really valuable to say lately? She's just listening to others.

Why does everyone think there is a recruit now?

I am happy to discuss Sorsha though. I was expecting her dead Night 2 and every night since, but nada. No offense, Sorsha, why do the baddies continue to let you live?

Matt F wrote:Why does everyone think there is a recruit now?

I am happy to discuss Sorsha though. I was expecting her dead Night 2 and every night since, but nada. No offense, Sorsha, why do the baddies continue to let you live?

I don't necessarily think there is a recruit, but if there was only one baddie left and it was banana, I'd be pissed that the game was still going on. A non active player always works out better for the baddies, especially in the late stages of the game. I get Epi not mod killing throughout the game, but only until that person is the last standing from their group. Otherwise, it just doesn't seem fair.

So, under the assumption of what I said above, there are two options:
1. There's one baddie left and it isn't Banana.
2. Banana was an original baddie, but somewhere along the way, someone got recruited, which is why the game is still going.

If 1 is correct, the only way I could see Sorsha being bad is if MM wanted out of the game on his own, and they came up with that method. But if that was the case, why didn't TH and Sig vote for MM too?
If 2 is correct, Sorsha would be a great choice for a recruit, and while the baddies probably thought she'd be saved on night 2, they might have hoped that wouldn't be the case on night 3. Plus, like I said, she hasn't really contributed much after the MM success, but I need to go back and look when did the change occur

FZ. wrote:Before I have to go, one more question:

Say Banana is the last baddie, but that there was a recruit before all the other baddies died, who would be the best option for that? I would target Sorsha for a kill or a recruit (not sure how it works) after the MM incident. She was very dangerous to the town. So you either want to block her every day (which you can't), or you want to take her out of the equation somehow, no?

Have you noticed that Sorsha hasn't had anything really valuable to say lately? She's just listening to others.

I said I trusted Golden. That's valuable. Haven't had much to say because I don't have anything to say.

Matt F wrote:Why does everyone think there is a recruit now?

I am happy to discuss Sorsha though. I was expecting her dead Night 2 and every night since, but nada. No offense, Sorsha, why do the baddies continue to let you live?

Only they know. You'll have to ask them. There are protects and redirects though, I'm guessing those may have played a part. Other than that I don't know.

I'm considering giving Golden one more shot for picking the lynchee today and hoping we get the last of team hark.

Sorsha wrote:I said I trusted Golden. That's valuable.

That was going to be my exact response. I find that valuable.

@Matt - 'everyone' shouldn't think there is a recruit, I'm not sure how that has happened either. I raise the concept, and it becomes main stream. I just didn't want us to assume the last Harkonnen would end the game. I keep my mind open.

I put it out there as a possibility that one specific role could be a traitor. I also think there is a very limited pool of living people that specific role could be. Namely, Matt F. If Matt F is not that role (and he has claimed not to be), I do not think there is a traitor. Even if Matt F was that role, there is no guarantee he would be a traitor.

Ie, from my perspective, there is no recruit, or Matt F is a recruit. I think it very likely there is no recruit. I'm just keeping my eye on Matt as an outside possibility, to only be pursued if all Harkonnen are gone and the game has not ended.

Others seem to have latched on to the idea but far beyond what the lore appears to allow for, and knowing Epi's hosting style his roles will fit the story. The Emperor was a potential candidate for a traitor in lore, but its hardly a traitor when he is part of a faction which could just as easily be independent anyway.

@FZ - yeah, see, I would definitely find it lame too. That's why I have to vote luke. I can't imagine this game is continuing in this way if banana is the last baddie. I have to hope.

Sorsha, was there a time, after the MM lynch when you were suspicious of Golden?

Sorsha, if the answer to the question is yes, can you state when and why?

Okay so what's the deal with the last player we lynched appearing in the poll again? That's got to be a thing. Golden you seem to know everything explain that.

I explained that already yesterday mac.


Unless something really wonky comes out of today's discussion I can't see myself voting anyone but luke. I will give it time though since we have it.

Okay.

Golden - I am not a traitor. I am not a recruit. I am not Harkonnen. Can you remind me how you've come to this conclusion?

Anyway, Golden seems pretty sure. FZ and Sorsha seem to think Golden is on the up and up as well, so let's lynch Luke and see what happens.

MacDougall wrote:Okay so what's the deal with the last player we lynched appearing in the poll again? That's got to be a thing. Golden you seem to know everything explain that.

Epi screws up sometimes?

Matt F wrote:Okay.

Golden - I am not a traitor. I am not a recruit. I am not Harkonnen. Can you remind me how you've come to this conclusion?

Anyway, Golden seems pretty sure. FZ and Sorsha seem to think Golden is on the up and up as well, so let's lynch Luke and see what happens.

I think you should read my posts better if you think I have 'come to those conclusions'. I haven't. I came to the conclusion there is no traitor.

Okay Golden let's read your latest post on the matter.

Golden wrote:@Matt - 'everyone' shouldn't think there is a recruit, I'm not sure how that has happened either. I raise the concept, and it becomes main stream. I just didn't want us to assume the last Harkonnen would end the game. I keep my mind open.

I put it out there as a possibility that one specific role could be a traitor. I also think there is a very limited pool of living people that specific role could be. Namely, Matt F. If Matt F is not that role (and he has claimed not to be), I do not think there is a traitor. Even if Matt F was that role, there is no guarantee he would be a traitor.

Ie, from my perspective, there is no recruit, or Matt F is a recruit. I think it very likely there is no recruit. I'm just keeping my eye on Matt as an outside possibility, to only be pursued if all Harkonnen are gone and the game has not ended.

Others seem to have latched on to the idea but far beyond what the lore appears to allow for, and knowing Epi's hosting style his roles will fit the story. The Emperor was a potential candidate for a traitor in lore, but its hardly a traitor when he is part of a faction which could just as easily be independent anyway.

@FZ - yeah, see, I would definitely find it lame too. That's why I have to vote luke. I can't imagine this game is continuing in this way if banana is the last baddie. I have to hope.

You say there is a recruit or there isn't. But if there is, it's me.

Did I not just read that?

Anyway, lynch Luke. FZ said you're good, and I believe her.

TheFloyd73 wrote:Why am I on the poll?

Are you a zombie?
REZZ PLS!

Matt F wrote:You say there is a recruit or there isn't. But if there is, it's me.

Did I not just read that?

All true, but my conclusion is:

"I think it very likely there is no recruit. I'm just keeping my eye on Matt as an outside possibility, to only be pursued if all Harkonnen are gone and the game has not ended."

Golden you've ruined this game with your huge epic gambits of 100% certainty.

MacDougall wrote:Golden you've ruined this game with your huge epic gambits of 100% certainty.

I'm sorry, mac, for ruining the game for you.

This is basically stock standard me playing mafia. I am who I am. So I also apologise for any past or future games I also ruin for you.

I'm joshing. You've not ruined it. You've made it warm and fuzzy.

bea wrote: rip svs.

Eloh, I would not have killed svs. Even if I were bad and even if she suspected me, her in particular I would have trouble pulling the trigger on her. For more than one reason.

I'm not Sting, but right now I'm madder at him than I was when he had those stupid "I'm the lick and you're the key" lyrics on the brand new day album. Lame Sting is lame.

More than one? Can you name a few?

I have caught up and I am voting Luke as well. Let's win this thing!

FZ. wrote:Sorsha, was there a time, after the MM lynch when you were suspicious of Golden?

No

Voting for Luke and hoping this will end it!

Sorsha wrote:

FZ. wrote:Sorsha, was there a time, after the MM lynch when you were suspicious of Golden?

No

Voting for Luke and hoping this will end it!

I'm not bad, I give up, if you guys want to lynch me you can lynch me