Day 12 ~ 2015 Game of Champions

[Ricochet]

Well, I don't see anything Angry Birds-related to what FZ is ability-claiming, really.

bbl, dying without nose drops

[FZ.]

Looking at the actual game thread from where my role is, it's slightly changed, but you can figure it out.

[Marmot]

*Don't be a dick~ it's a game. Don't be drama, it's not Broadway.
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*No info dumping~ which means no night results, no info gleaned via BTS, etc.
*This game is closed set up. This allows for limited role claiming. But be careful about that, and do NOT involve other people in your claim.

[FZ.]

Well, I don't see anything Angry Birds-related to what FZ is ability-claiming, really.

bbl, dying without nose drops

Again, why would I claim something at this point that you can check, if I'm lying?

linki: Thanks MM. I'm still not sure how explicit I can be. Can I tell what my power is?

[Matt]

I can't tell you why Mac pushed a tie by voting FZ. I have no idea.

I know Wilgy changed his vote last second, and I have to wonder why. What purpose does it serve to try and get MM lynched last second, if not to save a teammate?

Let's assume that FZ is not a teamie of Wilgy's. WHY does Wilgy change his vote last second?

[Marmot]

Well, I don't see anything Angry Birds-related to what FZ is ability-claiming, really.

bbl, dying without nose drops

Again, why would I claim something at this point that you can check, if I'm lying?

linki: Thanks MM. I'm still not sure how explicit I can be. Can I tell what my power is?

I think we already know your power though. :P

You don't have to tell us if you don't want to. I have no intention of sharing my role (though I've left plenty of hints myself). But if you want to share the game it's from, that also works.

[FZ.]

I can't tell you why Mac pushed a tie by voting FZ. I have no idea.

I know Wilgy changed his vote last second, and I have to wonder why. What purpose does it serve to try and get MM lynched last second, if not to save a teammate?

Let's assume that FZ is not a teamie of Wilgy's. WHY does Wilgy change his vote last second?

Possibly to look like he has no idea who to choose?


linki: it is Angry birds, but the role is slightly changed. It was a lot more depressing, let me tell you that.

[Ricochet]

I can't tell you why Mac pushed a tie by voting FZ. I have no idea.

I know Wilgy changed his vote last second, and I have to wonder why. What purpose does it serve to try and get MM lynched last second, if not to save a teammate?

Let's assume that FZ is not a teamie of Wilgy's. WHY does Wilgy change his vote last second?

You can't exclude Mac's vote from the picture! He's a Llama baddie! We're talking FZ being a fourth wagon that snowballed and which Mac contributed to. You can't discard Mac evidence only for Wilgy evidence.

As for your question: idk.

1. Tie shenanigans. They were both at it, frankly.
2. Pushing an actual player to death.
3. Wanting me to ISO him sooner and call Dr. Wolf on him.

[Marmot]

I can't tell you why Mac pushed a tie by voting FZ. I have no idea.

I know Wilgy changed his vote last second, and I have to wonder why. What purpose does it serve to try and get MM lynched last second, if not to save a teammate?

Let's assume that FZ is not a teamie of Wilgy's. WHY does Wilgy change his vote last second?

If FZ was bad, and their team had two roles that could manipulate lynches, would FZ really have been in that much danger?

[Marmot]

OH that's right. Technically, Angry Birds was hosted by Simon, not Epignosis.

[FZ.]

I can't tell you why Mac pushed a tie by voting FZ. I have no idea.

I know Wilgy changed his vote last second, and I have to wonder why. What purpose does it serve to try and get MM lynched last second, if not to save a teammate?

Let's assume that FZ is not a teamie of Wilgy's. WHY does Wilgy change his vote last second?

Possibly to look like he has no idea who to choose?


linki: it is Angry birds, but the role is slightly changed. It was a lot more depressing, let me tell you that.

Also, seems like he really didn't know who to choose because there wasn't a team member from his team, so it could have been a genuine attempt to find a baddie from the other team to look like a civ.

[FZ.]

I can't believe we're starting this all over again. I need to go to sleep.

[Matt]

Check it out.

There's a four way tie.

Last second, BOTH Wilgy and Golden switch up their votes and make it a four way tie again.

If Wilgy didn't know Golden was switching, then he voted to BREAK the tie.

Why, AS A BADDIE, would you intentionally BREAK a four way tie in which NONE of your teammates are in danger of getting lynched?

Answer me this. Please.

[FZ.]

For the amazing baddie that I could potentially be, I have a pretty lousy timing for my hinting. First, I hint at what I know which could only hurt me when people are looking at the lynch votes. Then, I hint to the game my role is from only for you to not find that role. Why would I do those things? Did anyone ask me to do it? No, I volunteered that information of my own free will. I'm an idiot genius scum who fooled you for so long because I do stupid things to make myself look worse. You all got me.


linki: I already answered. 1. Because he was looking for a real baddie from the other team to look better in the long run, and thought he voted for the right person. 2. To look confused. Those are my best guesses

[Ricochet]

Check it out.

There's a four way tie.

Last second, BOTH Wilgy and Golden switch up their votes and make it a four way tie again.

If Wilgy didn't know Golden was switching, then he voted to BREAK the tie.

Why, AS A BADDIE, would you intentionally BREAK a four way tie in which NONE of your teammates are in danger of getting lynched?

Answer me this. Please.

I refuse. If you don't give a shit about all the steps of that lynch, I don't have to, either.

[FZ.]

Check it out.

There's a four way tie.

Last second, BOTH Wilgy and Golden switch up their votes and make it a four way tie again.

If Wilgy didn't know Golden was switching, then he voted to BREAK the tie.

Why, AS A BADDIE, would you intentionally BREAK a four way tie in which NONE of your teammates are in danger of getting lynched?

Answer me this. Please.

I refuse. If you don't give a shit about all the steps of that lynch, I don't have to, either.

I'll take that wall too, thank you.

[Matt]

No offense, but honestly, I'm talking to MM more then either of you.

I think it's both possible that...

a) bea targeted me last night, thus enabling the possibility of Sorsha being silenced.

b) That there are two vote manips on the baddie team. Again, going back to Keeler Mafia and the correlation of team members.

I dunno. If MM keeps his vote on Sorsha, there isn't much I can do.

But I'm voting FZ. Sorry, she looks bad to me.

[FZ.]

Okay, I'm done. It's after midnight here, and I slept about 4 hours last night and need to get up early. I've said all there is to say. Matt, it's on you. Just do whatever you want. I'm so tired of this. I killed Bea, silenced Sorsha, manipulated the votes, voted for my team mates and had them killed with the manipulated votes. Yep, that's the conclusion that should come out of all this discussion. Meanwhile the true baddie has faked a silence and if she succeeds in winning this after this pathetic attempt, you can enjoy the guilty feelings. I'll be free of that because I think I chose the right person to vote for.

linki: If you are a civ Matt, I literally have no words for this appalling decision. If you're bad. Good game.

[FZ.]

No Sorsha can come in and vote for herself.

Good night to you all. If there's a party tonight, it won't be the civvies' so don't bother waiting for me.

[FZ.]

*Now.

Pretty sure she'll wait for the last minute.


Roger out.

[Matt]

Again, WHY does Wilgy break a VISIBLE (at least) four way tie at the last second?

After Wilgy flipped, I was convinced for awhile Wilgy and Lorab were on a team because of that tie, but that was before we figured out the Noses team.

Why does he break a visible four way tie if none of his teammates were in danger? Even if he did think MM was bad, why break a four way tie where no matter what happens, your teammates are okay?

It doesn't make sense. Especially since Wilgy had his whole "won't vote for Marmot" thing, yet proceeded to vote for him LAST SECOND to break a 4 way visible tie?

[Marmot]

Sorsha voted Sorsha.

[Matt]

Less then two hours.

Based on FZ's post earlier ("vote for me Sorsha") and then Sorsha's subsequent vote for herself, I'm guessing her vote is worth -1 today.

That brings the count to 1 v 1, a tie*. It's up to you Marmot. It isn't just the the Lorab lynch, but it's also the vote manip. FZ has been letting people defend her lynch choices, despite hiding a vote manip on us. There were two vote manips on the Keeler indy team.

Again, why didn't Sorsha buddy me if I was labeling her civ in the game and she was actually bad? I don't understand her continued suss of me if she's bad.

Were you aware on the day sig was lynched, FZ somewhat lobbied against it? Are you aware of her comments after the lynch?

RIP Sig Sorry I didn't fight harder for you.

Can't say this is surprising. I saw the huge bandwagon coming, which makes it hard to look at someone specific, because hey, everyone was wrong, why blame one person?

I stand by my suspicion of DH. Out of all the people who tried to give reasons for their votes (and I think baddies often try to make their vote seem thought through and not just a drive by vote), his felt the most insincere.



Your end of the world talk is depressing me. I think that we will kill ourselves long before nature does.

Are you aware of who the first two voters were for sig on that day? Mac and Wilgy. Are you aware that motel room also voted for sig that day?

And yet, FZ chooses to look at DH. Later on in the day, FZ would suspect Lorab and juliets, and even Boomslang a little bit. She didn't suspect any of Mac, Wilgy, or motel though for their part in the sig train.

Anyway, your call Marmot.

[Ricochet]

They say the wolf running up the mountain is hungrier than the wolf standing on top. Well, I don't know if it's an actual saying or a proverb of some sort, I just read a tennis player use it in one of his motivational speeches. Not sure how it relates to a sportsman currently winning everything, over and over again, but that's a different story.

This story is about how I pretty much felt in my own endeavour, during this ascent, one that lasted days beyond keeping track. I wish I could say I was never motivated or determined to accomplish this in the first place, but it would be, at least in part, a lie. Even others, whilst trailing far behind me on the same path, have noticed it. Often, during the cold nights, I even had the impression of hearing anxious, urgent howls, coming from the top, the more I advanced into the heights.

Truthfully, I never started with such ambitions. In the beginning, I was too self-absorbed in performing as the jester of Snowdin Town, painting everyone's faces red in their sleep, ringing the church bells to disturb their midday chatter or evening prayers all the same, all in order to reveal myself to everyone as the stranger in dead clothes, the seer beyond the living, the witness beyond the dying, the vermillion clad unparalleled spaghettore. Only after being pitchforked by everyone, transforming into my real self and making a run for the Waterfall, to watch everything unfold from a safe distance, did the opportunity arise.

On the other side of the cascades, the path then revealed itself to me...GOAT Mountain, rarely traceable behind its ominous weather and thick veils of fog, destined only to enlighten the most gifted of the high posters. And also seduce them all with the one true objective. A summit into uncharted highs. The highest anyone has ever reached: col 1,450. Most have merely heard stories, but I happened to be on the same expedition when that was achieved. I myself could only accomplish two thirds of such a distance, before having to resign myself to the challenge coming to an end. We all returned and kept the legend alive in our tales, but the legend himself chose never to return and was never heard of again.

And so, with the best head start I could have ever hoped for and another fortnight of cycles to take advantage of, with no more perils to hinder my destiny and death itself seemingly interrupted from ever sharpening its scythe on my neck, not to mention in the best shape a disemboweled vermillion caped immortal skeletton could be, I found myself emboldened to attempt the ascent once more. Foolish would it have been, however, to believe the path itself would have now been cleared of obstacles of its own kind. And indeed did my spirit and form waiver at times: detours marked with "RL" signs that would only keep you from advancing or trick you into taking the wrong turns, ghosts or competitors from other valleys, challenging me to stay ahead (most notably a rogue climber named Baddie with such reputation, he was trademarked as... MacBaddie, plus one Darth Busty in his finest dark coloured bullsuit gear)... and the howls; the howls from above, alerting me that someone awaits up there, on the throne.

Yet I stayed determined, keeping doubts and challengers altogether at bay, finding the strength to keep on keeping on. And then I arrived. Col 1,450. The place of legends. And of one legend in particular. To my surprise, the wolf metaphor turned into the sight of a real stage, a small plateau atop the ridges. Awaiting me was no conquering wolf, though, but an old man, seemingly at piece with himself, seated at a rock table, drinking sake from a masu cup.

"Is it really you?", I asked right away, unable to hide the panting in my voice.

"Indeed it is", the man calmly replied.

"You seem different", I stated the obvious in moronic fashion.

"Indeed I am", he said. "Things are different around these places."

"And beyond this place?", I said, my eyes inadvertedly turning to the path continuing behind him.

"That I cannot say", he pondered.

"You mean to say you never stepped further?"

"There is nothing further, once your challenge concludes. As you will soon find out yourself", he countered.

"Still", I insisted, "that can only mean there's still time for me to venture further ahead."

"If that is what you desire...", he responded.

"Why wouldn't it be?", I asked, increasingly bemused, yet this time, he did not say anything. I couldn't really comprehend the situation, but most of all his demeanor. There was no resignation in the tone of his vote, but almost true detachment. I walked towards him at the rock table, to at least take off my backpack and supplies and catch my breath. He proceeded to take another sip from his cup.

"...Where on earth did you even find sake? Did you bring it with you back then?"

"There are many things that cannot be explained around here.", he proclaimed.

"So why shouldn't I go forwards?", I asked once more. "Why didn't you? Why didn't you return, otherwise?"

"I once climbed the same path you did, just now. And the feeling of accomplishing that was no doubt immense. But then it wears off and you realize, you have done nothing but look ahead, at the lonely steps you will take, one at a time, instead of looking back, at those you left behind. I doubt your perspective right now was any different", he retorted.

"But...! You didn't leave anyone behind. You helped all of us achieve something along the way", I reminded him. "Why shouldn't I keep helping them myself?"

"That is illusory, I'm afraid", he replied. "This is a place of loneliness, not of gathering. Your ascent was your own, whilst others perished. You supported them, but you also created a huge distance, whose effects cannot compensate for anything. They're soon bound to forget you, give up following your words or reading your actions, and so does your focus also shift. Forwards, not backwards. On your own, instead of in return for others." He paused for a second, eyes closed in deep thought, but then he opened them and for the first time looked me in the eyes. "You and I... the few of our kind to reach such summits... whom death cannot even grace. We're meant to realize when our own challenge should come to its natural end."

"So what am I supposed to really do? Just give up?" I cried out.

"Back from where you came, deep into the woods, there is still a war going on, fought by the last remaining souls. It is too late for you to head back and save the outcome, because of how much distance you took, in your own conquest.", he explained. But then, he also added: "What you can do is to observe. To witness the outcome. To acknowledge what you achieved and how its resolution lies in your hands."

I suddenly felt torn apart. His words shouldn't have really made any sense. One step. One human step and I could go beyond... beyond anyone. But in these vain efforts of mine, was it not true that...

"You must be right.", I said to him. "Despite my best intentions, my goals were never other than my own. At times, I even felt slightly ashamed of my methods... whereas your posts had depth and involvment, mine kickstarted in a big way, by simply bantering my way into trouble and making everyone tense..."

"Well, I wouldn't insist on giving such meaning to our individual endeavours, but..."

"I constantly thought I was there to help, but in truth their fight remained their own and all I did was to keep posting", I further meditated on the issue. "I could slowly feel them not being following in my footsteps anymore, not listening or processing the entirety of what I could offer, and myself losing touch with the entire scenery at times. Forgetting faces and intentions behind their masks. Failing to hear clearly anymore the language in which they speak, imply and signal to themselves. Failing to connect anymore."

The old man said nothing, leaving me in silence to judge my actions.

"So I should stop, then", I said. "I am not worthy of stepping further, for I will find nothing but myself on the same road to nowhere on which I started in the first place. There is no story they will tell of me. There is only the endeavour they each have to go through and the future ones they'll keep on going through."

"Have a seat besides me", the old man welcomed me.

And so I did. I sat next to him and he took another masu, to share with me some of his sake, as we then looked towards the valley, back in Snowdin, a place that looked devastated from the ongoing clashes, but in which you could still see a light flickering, with the determination of the few souls left standing. And despite its remoteness and high, rarefied air, I could still hear myself surrounded by the sounds and the touch of different sensations, for which to be grateful. This was no isolated, lifeless whereabout, after all. It was actually quite a beautiful place. Birds could still be heard singing, flowers surrounding the plateau were blooming... in a place like this, kids like myself...

...could just as well stop.

[Ricochet]

"Ok, I'll be on my way then", I suddenly told the old man, standing up, snatching my backpack and proceeding further on the path behind him, leading to new highs.

"No, wait! You son of a... God damn you. RICOOOOOOOO-"

JaggedJimmyJay has been dethroned. He was Number One - CIVVIE, but not anymore.

[Ricochet]

Ok, now what's this bullsuit currently going on.

Now Sorsha can come in and vote for herself.

Judging by this, FZ. was aware that Sorsha would self-vote, meaning Sorsha's vote is forced?

Matt, can you explain, in plain, non-mysterious English, why the current 3-1 tally is actually 1-1 and MM would have the deciding vote, should he choose to switch?

[Marmot]

Fuck, why do you guys leave all the tough, game-deciding, year-defining decisions to the marmot?

[Marmot]

Ricochet, this would be why.

All those quotes are making feel like sharing something too. MM, last day, there was a reason I told you I trusted you to not disappoint us and vote for the right person. Let's just say your vote carried a lot of weight.

linki: I was considering that possibility. But then, would MM really have to fake being so confused between us for so long? I don't think so.

[Ricochet]

Yeah, ok, but right now, wouldn't FZ be completely overpowered if she:

-- made Sorsha's vote count as 0 (or -1, WTF)
-- forced Sorsha to self-vote
-- silenced Sorsha?!

Unfortunately for her, the only Angry Birds reference I can pick up with certain features mentioned above would be Gale, the serial killer princess. Why would FZ. hint at being that? Maybe she's retconned into civ?

What's the full scenario on what's going on, power-wise?

[Marmot]

Help.

[Ricochet]

Ricochet, this would be why.

All those quotes are making feel like sharing something too. MM, last day, there was a reason I told you I trusted you to not disappoint us and vote for the right person. Let's just say your vote carried a lot of weight.

linki: I was considering that possibility. But then, would MM really have to fake being so confused between us for so long? I don't think so.

Isn't that post in favor of FZ? "MM, the vote is currently, seemingly 3-2 for Mac. Please don't switch."

So she basically said "please don't save my teamie"?

[Marmot]

Ricochet, this would be why.

All those quotes are making feel like sharing something too. MM, last day, there was a reason I told you I trusted you to not disappoint us and vote for the right person. Let's just say your vote carried a lot of weight.

linki: I was considering that possibility. But then, would MM really have to fake being so confused between us for so long? I don't think so.

Isn't that post in favor of FZ? "MM, the vote is currently, seemingly 3-2 for Mac. Please don't switch."

So she basically said "please don't save my teamie"?

What? I don't understand this conclusion.

[Ricochet]

Talk it through with Matt. Get some sense into him, like for instance to stop tunneling on one fucking detail in the entire fucking game.

linki: What's your conclusion, then? Wasn't D11 3-2 Mac vs. Matt, with your vote on Mac?

Tell me how FZ. can be bad in what she implied there, by asking you NOT to switch from Mac. Aka confirmed MacBaddie.

[Ricochet]

I still don't get how FZ mentioned what Sorsha would do. HOW could she have both vote coersion and vote manipulation in her role?? I was ready to say Sorsha is faking a move with the self-vote, yet again, but FZ.'s post throws that completely in the air.

[Marmot]

Talk it through with Matt. Get some sense into him, like for instance to stop tunneling on one fucking detail in the entire fucking game.

linki: What's your conclusion, then? Wasn't D11 3-2 Mac vs. Matt, with your vote on Mac?

Tell me how FZ. can be bad in what she implied there, by asking you NOT to switch from Mac. Aka confirmed MacBaddie.

You said FZ said "Please don't save my teamie"

I don't think that's true, because I just don't think FZ is Mac's teamie. I agree with the other parts you said, that it is a point in her favor, especially since I can verify.

Also, I actually think that bea may have targeted FZ last night, because my vote carries some weight again today.

[Marmot]

I still don't get how FZ mentioned what Sorsha would do. HOW could she have both vote coersion and vote manipulation in her role?? I was ready to say Sorsha is faking a move with the self-vote, yet again, but FZ.'s post throws that completely in the air.

It looks like that post was a reaction to Matt voting FZ. I'm not sure it's as foreboding as you are reading it.

[Marmot]

Now Sorsha is here.

Her behavior is just too fishy to ignor.e

[Ricochet]

I still don't get how FZ mentioned what Sorsha would do. HOW could she have both vote coersion and vote manipulation in her role?? I was ready to say Sorsha is faking a move with the self-vote, yet again, but FZ.'s post throws that completely in the air.

It looks like that post was a reaction to Matt voting FZ. I'm not sure it's as foreboding as you are reading it.

Really?

If that chain of reaction is true, then she said "Now Sorsha will come and vote for herself."

Not "Sorsha came and voted for herself."

[Ricochet]

Talk it through with Matt. Get some sense into him, like for instance to stop tunneling on one fucking detail in the entire fucking game.

linki: What's your conclusion, then? Wasn't D11 3-2 Mac vs. Matt, with your vote on Mac?

Tell me how FZ. can be bad in what she implied there, by asking you NOT to switch from Mac. Aka confirmed MacBaddie.

You said FZ said "Please don't save my teamie"

I don't think that's true, because I just don't think FZ is Mac's teamie. I agree with the other parts you said, that it is a point in her favor, especially since I can verify.

Also, I actually think that bea may have targeted FZ last night, because my vote carries some weight again today.

It does? Then what the hell is Matt on about?

[Marmot]

Sorsha, if you are reading along, can you briefly vote for your top suspect right now?

[Ricochet]

Also, if you mean "extra" weight, then I guess FZ is not Gale after all, but Red (vote doubler) or whatever the first bird in that setup was.

[Marmot]

I still don't get how FZ mentioned what Sorsha would do. HOW could she have both vote coersion and vote manipulation in her role?? I was ready to say Sorsha is faking a move with the self-vote, yet again, but FZ.'s post throws that completely in the air.

It looks like that post was a reaction to Matt voting FZ. I'm not sure it's as foreboding as you are reading it.

Really?

If that chain of reaction is true, then she said "Now Sorsha will come and vote for herself."

Not "Sorsha came and voted for herself."

She said "Sorsha can come in and vote for herself". A slight difference.

[Ricochet]

I still don't get how FZ mentioned what Sorsha would do. HOW could she have both vote coersion and vote manipulation in her role?? I was ready to say Sorsha is faking a move with the self-vote, yet again, but FZ.'s post throws that completely in the air.

It looks like that post was a reaction to Matt voting FZ. I'm not sure it's as foreboding as you are reading it.

Really?

If that chain of reaction is true, then she said "Now Sorsha will come and vote for herself."

Not "Sorsha came and voted for herself."

She said "Sorsha can come in and vote for herself". A slight difference.

Why would Sorsha "come in" and choose to "vote for herself", if she was leading 2-1, before voting?

[Marmot]

I switched to FZ. My gut tells me it's her.

[Marmot]

I still don't get how FZ mentioned what Sorsha would do. HOW could she have both vote coersion and vote manipulation in her role?? I was ready to say Sorsha is faking a move with the self-vote, yet again, but FZ.'s post throws that completely in the air.

It looks like that post was a reaction to Matt voting FZ. I'm not sure it's as foreboding as you are reading it.

Really?

If that chain of reaction is true, then she said "Now Sorsha will come and vote for herself."

Not "Sorsha came and voted for herself."

She said "Sorsha can come in and vote for herself". A slight difference.

Why would Sorsha "come in" and choose to "vote for herself", if she was leading 2-1, before voting?

I got nothing.

There have been some things that point to an FZ baddie. There have been some things that point to a Sorsha baddie. I still can't shake the feeling that Sorsha's pulling a fast one on us, but I think you might be correct in that FZ knows and let on that she forced Sorsha's vote.

But why vote Sorsha to vote herself if FZ is suspicious of Matt coming into the day phase?

[Ricochet]

Enjoy your decision. Nobody will hate you for it, if it's the losing one.

More than me, I mean. :hollowsanseyes:

[Marmot]

Enjoy your decision. Nobody will hate you for it, if it's the losing one.

More than me, I mean. :hollowsanseyes:

Well by golly, I hope I'm right.

[Marmot]

Let the baddies hit the floor... Pretty please.

[Ricochet]

But why vote Sorsha to vote herself if FZ is suspicious of Matt coming into the day phase?

FZ targeted Matt + bea redirected FZ = FZ targeted Sorsha?

But still, how would then FZ be informed her new target ended up being Sorsha.

That line from FZ. just breaks my effing brain.

---

If Sorsha is forced to vote herself, how could FZ. have targeted you with extra weight vote?

If she targeted you with extra weight vote, how could she have forced Sorsha to vote herself?

How did Sorsha get silenced, either way? Did she get silenced?

If Sorsha is forced by FZ to vote herself, how can FZ have a civvie role? Doesn't a forcer usually imply baddie shenanigans?

How did Matt arrive at the opposite conclusion that the tally is actually 1:1, your vote not withstanding.

NOTHING.
MAKES.
FUCKING.
SENSE.

[Marmot]

But Dr Wilgy and Sorsha are peeking at the thread at the same time. :O

OMG the WIFOM