[END] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Sorry, wrote that wrong.

"AVOID changing vote unless I really need to"

Carry on.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also ignore the ridiculous pleonasm I wrote in that post, lol.

[thellama73]

Hey gang,
Just checking in to say hi. I'm out of town right now and won't really be able to do much until Sunday night, but I want you to know tha I am here and excited!

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Hey guys, am I the only one who can only see this thread if I'm logged in?

It only happens to this thread. And it's annoying.

[Tangrowth]

Hey guys, am I the only one who can only see this thread if I'm logged in?

It only happens to this thread. And it's annoying.

There is a reason for this; it's not a glitch or anything that needs fixing. Guests cannot view this game.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Why is this even necessary? Something game mechanic related or some site policy?

[Tangrowth]

Why is this even necessary? Something game mechanic related or some site policy?

Don't worry, it's not a site policy change or anything like that. It's related specifically to this game.

[Tangrowth]

FYI

I have just now updated the player roster to include ISO links for every player who is posted so far. I'll try to keep on these as current as possible until everyone has checked in.

[Black Rock]

This is me making a Mafia post from the top of the CN Tower, for some reason.

What you doing there?

My girlfriend is a real authentic Canadian lady, and I'm visiting her for her birthday this week. She has been trying to drag me up there for a long time despite my very silly fear of heights. Yesterday that finally happened. I've had time to get caught up on everything this morning because, as an authentic lady, she spends over an hour getting herself ready in the morning.

Well welcome to Canada. You're near my neck of the woods.

[Marmot]

I voted Long Con for making me look bad in Arkham.

That's legit. He was accused of the imbibing of alcohol because of my error. :lol: As if Epi would ever!

Really? Who accused him of such things?

Wilgy that is nearly impossible for me to read on my phone. While I am aware it has just been the one word, it is seriously distracting.

I found Enrique's post to be more distracting.

[Marmot]

Hey gang,
Just checking in to say hi. I'm out of town right now and won't really be able to do much until Sunday night, but I want you to know tha I am here and excited!

Won't be able to do much. This llama couldn't even bold his vote for me in the thread.

He has got to go. lla-lla-lla-llama!

[Tranq]

I will bet my [hopefully] unborn child that the 30 person coordinated vote will not work out. There will be too many no-shows. There always is in these games.

No-shows could get replaced. I see no harm in trying Wilgy's plan. For science!

[Long Con]

I will bet my [hopefully] unborn child that the 30 person coordinated vote will not work out. There will be too many no-shows. There always is in these games.

No-shows could get replaced. I see no harm in trying Wilgy's plan. For science!

How would Wilgy's plan benefit the Civvies, in your own words?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I will bet my [hopefully] unborn child that the 30 person coordinated vote will not work out. There will be too many no-shows. There always is in these games.

No-shows could get replaced. I see no harm in trying Wilgy's plan. For science!

If they get replaced and one of them is a Don that's a major delay in the plan.

[Epignosis]

I wish I understood what this plan was so I could go ahead and tell you all how foolish it is.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I wish I understood what this plan was so I could go ahead and tell you all how foolish it is.

I'll summarize:

Assumption: Don doesn't want to change votes often because that increases the probability of voting for the traitor.

Problem: Cops can use that fact to spot players who are hesitating to change votes. Therefore more likely to be Dons.

Solution 1: Everybody avoids changing votes unless necessary so we cover the Dons.

Solution 2: We all coordinate so we all vote for every single player one after another. Therefore both Traitors are triggered and the problem is eliminated.

[Scotty]

I will bet my [hopefully] unborn child that the 30 person coordinated vote will not work out. There will be too many no-shows. There always is in these games.

No-shows could get replaced. I see no harm in trying Wilgy's plan. For science!

You need all players to be involved in the voting cycle for it to draw out the traitor.
So... This won't work for day 1, at least, unless everyone's here.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I think we have spent too much time discussing those plans though. When we could have been accusing each other.

Here's what I propose:

Solution 2 is impractical and people don't want to do it. So let's forget about it.

Solution 1 has limited effect and is reliant on luck, but it could help. However, we won't get to a consensus any time soon. So we each decide whether it's necessary to change votes often or not according to our needs.

And move on to accusations.

[Epignosis]

I wish I understood what this plan was so I could go ahead and tell you all how foolish it is.

I'll summarize:

Assumption: Don doesn't want to change votes often because that increases the probability of voting for the traitor.

Problem: Cops can use that fact to spot players who are hesitating to change votes. Therefore more likely to be Dons.

Solution 1: Everybody avoids changing votes unless necessary so we cover the Dons.

Solution 2: We all coordinate so we all vote for every single player one after another. Therefore both Traitors are triggered and the problem is eliminated.

Eeeeeeyeah...I'm going to stick with the method where I vote for the person I think is bad.

Or good, in this case.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

With that, a few points.

- Enrique has posted nothing but smilies and refuses to answer anything. I don't think this is enough for a lynch, but I wish he started being more helpfun soon.

- Ika made a vote for Silverwolf just for the sake of "getting her to talk". Which is pro-active, but not really necessary, and reeks to me of an attempt to look like he is doing anything. Of course it's mostly paranoia, but I might as well point it out.

- Sloonei doesn't have the time to participate but he apparently has time to read the thread, think I'm suspicious and demand answers from me. I find that curious.

- Matt was way more active last game I played with him. he couldn't shut up. Now he only made one post, about how he intends to read Zebra. I know this is too soon for make such demands, but I miss active Matt.

Don't know if any of those are useful but we might as well discuss them. 28 hours to go, let's move guys.

[Long Con]

Civilians

I'm sorry, but I can't handle this. I'll save you the trouble, but please fix it! I know I'm a pain in the ass.

Civilians

[Diiny]

lol

[Diiny]

I have a policy of reading through these threads without getting familiar with the setup/roles to look for any behaviour that's scummy in its own right.

And whilst I haven't read the setup I don't think this will change when I do; any plan that involves everyone voting a certain way isn't a good idea.

Enrique needs to stop being coy.

[Sloonei]

This is me making a Mafia post from the top of the CN Tower, for some reason.

What you doing there?

My girlfriend is a real authentic Canadian lady, and I'm visiting her for her birthday this week. She has been trying to drag me up there for a long time despite my very silly fear of heights. Yesterday that finally happened. I've had time to get caught up on everything this morning because, as an authentic lady, she spends over an hour getting herself ready in the morning.

Well welcome to Canada. You're near my neck of the woods.

it's a lovely place, i'm here pretty often.

[DrWilgy]

I will bet my [hopefully] unborn child that the 30 person coordinated vote will not work out. There will be too many no-shows. There always is in these games.

No-shows could get replaced. I see no harm in trying Wilgy's plan. For science!

You need all players to be involved in the voting cycle for it to draw out the traitor.
So... This won't work for day 1, at least, unless everyone's here.

We aren't trying to draw out the traitors, rather see if there's an efficient way to deal with them.

I'm starting to think LC is right though, efficiency is damn near impossible unless we can all agree.

Dragon, why am I in specific civ? We are all discussing this yes?

Hi Diiny. Why are voting plans not good ?

[Diiny]

Relying on organisation from this many players is not good. Also gives cops less of a stage to out themselves on.

Reading through the setup, though, I'm not sure what this weird voting has to do with catching traitors.

[Diiny]

Ika voting for someone to 'get their attention' with no attempted communication in the thread beforehand is strange.

Ika, why didn't you just post first?

[DrWilgy]

I don't want there to be a misinterpretation of what the promblem at hand is so here's the points.
1. Each team has a traitor.
2. traitors are a threat to the Dons if we don't play smart.
3. We should try to unlimit both the Dons while we can.

This is also implying that both of our teams are not initially out to off each other and would rather work to cop smash 1st.

[sig]

Wait what is this traitor thing? I thought Wilgy was trying to say we shouldn't just RVS to help our Dom's. This makes sense, however any other forms of coordination doesn't. So yes lets not just vote but, why try to draw out the traitors? While we aren't all on the same team the cops are still the top priority traitor hunting will take away from that.

I don't find Ike's vote that strange, it is a fairly common thing in some places.

[Diiny]

Does the traitor betray if the vote is PLACED or if the vote GOES THROUGH?

[Diiny]

I don't find Ike's vote that strange, it is a fairly common thing in some places.

If you wanted to hear from me, would you silently vote for me or would you post and ask me, either with or without a vote?

[DrWilgy]

I don't want there to be a misinterpretation of what the promblem at hand is so here's the points.
1. Each team has a traitor.
2. traitors are a threat to the Dons if we don't play smart.
3. We should try to unlimit both the Dons while we can.
4. We are not traitor hunting. They are our teammates.

This is also implying that both of our teams are not initially out to off each other and would rather work to cop smash 1st.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Dragon, why am I in specific civ? We are all discussing this yes?

But usually civs who come up with these crazy plans early tend to be civ from my experience. It's too much of a gambit to fake that, I believe.

[DrWilgy]

Dragon, why am I in specific civ? We are all discussing this yes?

But usually civs who come up with these crazy plans early tend to be civ from my experience. It's too much of a gambit to fake that, I believe.

You clearly underestimate me.

[sig]

I don't find Ike's vote that strange, it is a fairly common thing in some places.

If you wanted to hear from me, would you silently vote for me or would you post and ask me, either with or without a vote?

Would I do so know? No, since that isn't done here. Have I done so in the past? Yes. It depends on the site and whether that is standard practice or not. It is done alot less here do to not being able to change your vote.

[Diiny]

Dragon, why am I in specific civ? We are all discussing this yes?

But usually civs who come up with these crazy plans early tend to be civ from my experience. It's too much of a gambit to fake that, I believe.

You clearly underestimate me.

Good game, wilgy, but your pride was your downfall



Wilgy

[Diiny]

I don't find Ike's vote that strange, it is a fairly common thing in some places.

If you wanted to hear from me, would you silently vote for me or would you post and ask me, either with or without a vote?

Would I do so know? No, since that isn't done here. Have I done so in the past? Yes. It depends on the site and whether that is standard practice or not. It is done alot less here do to not being able to change your vote.

So how does that make you see ika?

Though keep in mind votes are changeable here; You sound like you're coming at this from where I am and yet you're playing down how indicative of scuminess (read: badness) it could be.

[sig]

I don't find Ike's vote that strange, it is a fairly common thing in some places.

If you wanted to hear from me, would you silently vote for me or would you post and ask me, either with or without a vote?

Would I do so know? No, since that isn't done here. Have I done so in the past? Yes. It depends on the site and whether that is standard practice or not. It is done alot less here do to not being able to change your vote.

So how does that make you see ika?

Though keep in mind votes are changeable here; You sound like you're coming at this from where I am and yet you're playing down how indicative of scuminess (read: badness) it could be.

Yes they are changeable, but since mostly here they aren't I've found people less likely to switch votes even when they can. However, I believe Ika came from a culture of voting alot, so I don't find it scummy. I'm null on Ika I don't think it is an alignment thing.

[Diiny]

Do you have any non-null reads?

[Diiny]

Reading back, I'll also extend that question to Golden, who posted a lot about the setup/plan but not much about players which research shows is a tad out of character.

[Diiny]

Is Enrique normally like this?

Why shouldn't we lynch you for not explaining your terrible vote?

[Matt]

Matt was way more active last game I played with him. he couldn't shut up. Now he only made one post, about how he intends to read Zebra. I know this is too soon for make such demands, but I miss active Matt.

This just started yesterday

Thanks for missing active Matt, though, Dragon! I don't think I've ever heard those words before.

[ika]

Ika voting for someone to 'get their attention' with no attempted communication in the thread beforehand is strange.

Ika, why didn't you just post first?

Cus the order wouldn't matter would it? I mean if I posted to her first then voted does that make a diffence?

I'm mobile posting so if it doesn't make sense let me know

@luffy: we don't talk about me anymore. But it has been a trait of ours to vote each other and sort each other out. So far I have been able to read her accurately every game in the first few oages

[Diiny]

@ika

If you said anything before you were called out on it, whether you voted first or after, I wouldn't mind as much, but this way it looks like that's just the excuse you came up with for that vote. Get where I'm coming from?

[Epignosis]

I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

[a2thezebra]

Civilians

I'm sorry, but I can't handle this. I'll save you the trouble, but please fix it! I know I'm a pain in the ass.

Civilians

You're civ.

[a2thezebra]

I have been known to have a snifter of brandy around the holidays.

International Women's Day is on March 8th... and I hope to see you on Friday March 10th for World Kidney Day!

Enrique, why did you hop on my joke vote?

Looks like we have some gen-u-wine suspicion goin' on here! Zebra, baddie or Civvie, what's your history of savage attacks on Day 1 actions?

Don't know, don't care. In any case, that's not a savage attack.

[Marmot]

Guys, there are no Doms in this game!!!

[Long Con]

I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Your vote was on me?

Civilians

I'm sorry, but I can't handle this. I'll save you the trouble, but please fix it! I know I'm a pain in the ass.

Civilians

You're civ.

Yes, that's right.

[Marmot]

Long Con, are you civ or civ?