The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:12 pm Hi @Benson I thought @Evenstar said you didn’t exist.

Hi @Elephant. I’m Jack. Where you from?

@Lady LambdaDelta, I don’t think we’ve actually met but I saw a bit of your qualifier.

@Master Radishes is an alt, yeah? Somebody on MU spec chat had an angry radish avatar.

I think I know everyone else but welcome to the visitors all the same.

Hello!

I only exist in your dreams tonight.

I haven't read much and I don't really plan to give things a proper read until I'm in a better state.

I made a post earlier, as far as I can tell, but it never showed up? Huh

Random Q's I could probably find if I looked at the OP:
Are we still in a non-voting phase? Do the wolves get a kill at the end of this "Hypnagogic" phase? What does that word even mean?

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:11 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:09 pm Random Q's I could probably find if I looked at the OP:
Are we still in a non-voting phase? Do the wolves get a kill at the end of this "Hypnagogic" phase? What does that word even mean?
Yes, IDK, "On the edge of sleep" IIRC.

thank you

112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:14 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:07 pm I haven't read much and I don't really plan to give things a proper read until I'm in a better state.

I made a post earlier, as far as I can tell, but it never showed up? Huh
prepare for another round ritual magick; we're gonna get you back on your paws and ready to post.

tbh you're pinging me though.

Sure

I wouldn't trust anything you say after you tried to kill me.

Some truly great takes that will not be substantiated no mattter how many times you ask me to:
Epignosis - town
Juliets - town
112 - 100% confirmed evil.
iaarf - town
vanity - mild mafia

Now I go

[mention]juliets[/mention] Saying Hi so you don't think I ignored you earlier lol.
I thought I replied earlier but the post never went through. I've figured out why that happened. It'll be interesting trying to get posts through when everyone is frantically posting at EoDs.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:26 am @Benson and @Elephant are the only two here I am unfamiliar with I think.

Iirc you are from 112's home site right Benson? How do you rate 112's ability to read you and vice versa? I see you have a scumread on 112. Is that real?

Elephant can you give us the 411 on your situ? Are you familiar with anyone here? Sorry if you've already answered elsewhere.

Linki: juicy

I think we're generally pretty accurate at reading each other. She usually figures out when I'm town.

My read may or may not be real. I mean, someone could've incepted the idea if we're being fair

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:29 am ive removed 112 from locktown but i dont wanna talk about a verdict yet

i like benson so far

Hey man, I like you too.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:34 am
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:08 am
112 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:24 am
Benson wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:38 pm Some truly great takes that will not be substantiated no mattter how many times you ask me to:
Epignosis - town
Juliets - town
112 - 100% confirmed evil.
iaarf - town
vanity - mild mafia

Now I go
ur scum, pal
112 I noticed in your ISO you mentioned Benson was pinging you and then a little later you posted the above. Can you talk about your suspicion? I haven't seen anything about Benson that makes me think scum but this is my first exposure to them.
He seems caught in the headlights and a little bit stilted. It's very much a meta read as I'd expect civ Benson to be more vocal and have a little more of a focus/point to his posts, even this early. And he's not against posting lists per se, but iirc he doesn't like people sharing them this early.

I mean, I'm playing in a game with 28 people I've never played with before, on a new site. I need a sec to get the engines revving.

I'm on bosrd with dragon that 112 initial character talk was Wolfy.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:04 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:18 pm honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome
Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.
Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.
So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.

For me it's that she had to state it explicitly. Villa 112 just does the RP without qualifying why. Wolf 112 looks for excuses to hide any perceived wolfiness.

I wrote a post and when I hit submit I was prompted to log in. Now post is gone and I'm sad.

What I was saying. In post #716, Im suspicious over elephant's rebuttal to MR. The tone just feels Wolfy - I know I haven't played with this guy so I'm not too concerned over that.
But I also don't like how he's honing in on very very minor discrepancies in MR's game (like stuff common to all villagers), and using that as a means to discredit his argument and push a scum read. Idk, seems like the kind of tactics I use as a wolf.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:31 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:25 pm I wrote a post and when I hit submit I was prompted to log in. Now post is gone and I'm sad.
Benson, are you on your phone? Jay wrote a little section about how to best stay logged on on your phone at the beginning of the game in the part about how the site works. If you're on your computer I don't know why it is doing.

I'm on my phone. I'll check that out. Thanks.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:50 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:30 pm What I was saying. In post #716, Im suspicious over elephant's rebuttal to MR. The tone just feels Wolfy - I know I haven't played with this guy so I'm not too concerned over that.
But I also don't like how he's honing in on very very minor discrepancies in MR's game (like stuff common to all villagers), and using that as a means to discredit his argument and push a scum read. Idk, seems like the kind of tactics I use as a wolf.

post 716 http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 03#p558403

I am not pushing a scum read here, I am still investigating, and I have especially said that I am trying for a town read and that I am not getting it. That you are trying to interpret this as a scumread is something I very much don't like. Obviously I am aware that everyone can be part of a misunderstanding. I believe this shows clearly in my post. But I am not willing to leave it uninvestigated.

I should have been more clear: I meant to imply that I thought you were laying the groundwork for an eventual scum read on MR; not that you were scumreading him at that moment per se.

I'm giving Drago a villa read for the character tin foil.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:22 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:54 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:50 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:30 pm What I was saying. In post #716, Im suspicious over elephant's rebuttal to MR. The tone just feels Wolfy - I know I haven't played with this guy so I'm not too concerned over that.
But I also don't like how he's honing in on very very minor discrepancies in MR's game (like stuff common to all villagers), and using that as a means to discredit his argument and push a scum read. Idk, seems like the kind of tactics I use as a wolf.

post 716 http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 03#p558403

I am not pushing a scum read here, I am still investigating, and I have especially said that I am trying for a town read and that I am not getting it. That you are trying to interpret this as a scumread is something I very much don't like. Obviously I am aware that everyone can be part of a misunderstanding. I believe this shows clearly in my post. But I am not willing to leave it uninvestigated.

I should have been more clear: I meant to imply that I thought you were laying the groundwork for an eventual scum read on MR; not that you were scumreading him at that moment per se.
I am very much laying the groundwork for an eventual scum read. An investigation that can not support either a town read or a scum read is fluff. An investigation that only works towards one of these ends is biased. I have asked Master Radishes to answer my original question, and to explain the thinking behind his own question. What do you recommend I should have done instead?

You have also noticed that I have been explicitly bringing up that a continued failure to answer has consequences for my perception of Master Radish's alignment. This is pressure. Your intervention here creates counterpressure on me, and therefore defends Master Radishes to a certain degree. Is this defense an intended effect, and if so, why did you do it?

I'm not giving you recommendations for how to play. I just thought the manner in which you targeted MRs content looked more like a wolf trying to discredit and to build a case for a possible mislynch. This is because it seemed like you were nitpicking on things that are usually nai. But ofc, your questioning can simply be a villager doing his due diligence.

I'm not too concerned with putting counter pressure in a case like this. And I didn't see the conversation going much further. I had an opinion I wanted to out out there.
If anything, I actually *like* MRs reluctance to give you everything you're asking for. It shows he isn't too concerned over the pressure.

Hyena looks like a good guy. As in alignment and personality

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:45 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:39 pm I don't usually adhere to this manner of writing, however, I committed to it when I signed up for this game, which you might be able to verify by looking at the sign-up thread and my posts there; but since I do not understand what exactly constitutes the quality which you are looking for, I'm not certain whether you'll find it in those posts. I can reassure you that if you scumread me off my writing style, you'd be wrong, but obviously you're unlikely to trust my self-assessment.

I'm still wondering how you thought that a line of questioning that amounts to "do you always post like this, or only when you are scum" was going to work out, and how well you can pull off a "smarmy and annoying" response, so, please, attempt an answer if your fancy strikes you!
That's all I was after. Thank you.

It was not intended to be a defining point of my read on you. It ballooned into something much bigger than it should have been. But I'm not opposed to asking players I'm unfamiliar with to self-assess game (or, in this instance, style of writing) as a means of gaining insight into how they play. Weirder things than self-reflection have led to reads in the past.

I can't really do smarmy and annoying anyway - that was an empty threat.

Uhh yes you can. Don't lie.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:49 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:48 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:47 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:41 pm Master Radishes, why are you messing with my friend Elephant? :[ That's not allowed right now.
Nah, he was messing with me. But we're cool now.

Can I be your friend too?
I dunno yet. Maybe. Let's talk about it later.
Yikes. That means no. Non-friend-zoned.

I got denied too. Heartbrokejn about it tbh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:54 pm Dragomir is getting a lot of townreads. I'd be stunned if this isn't TMI from somewhere.

Stunned? Does that make *this* TMI then?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:59 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:54 pm Dragomir is getting a lot of townreads. I'd be stunned if this isn't TMI from somewhere.
Stunned? Does that make *this* TMI then?

Mafucka ninja'd me. Shit lol. Mindmeld buddies. I got the same idea. He sounds way too sure that there is TMI involved, so he must know that I'm town.

Ya, let's lynch him

Spoiler: show

112 and MR will know what this "siren" option means to me, and how I'm definitely gonna abuse it.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:08 pm Phone reads list:

Town:
Creature: Spewed Town
Hyena: >90% Town
Dragomir: Asshole Town
Elephant: Verbose Town
Spiny Creature: Spiny Town

Townlean
Vanity
Radishes
Juliet
Michelle
Spirityo
Nutella

Null:
Pawn Lelouch: Pawn Lelouch
Nanook: Nanook

Scumlean:
112: Pocketing Scum
JackOfHearts: Cheese Scum
Lexi: Inactive Scum
TonyStarkPrime: Iron Scum
Benson: Fake and Scum
Rej: What are you doing srsly

Scum:
Iaafr: Incoherent Scum
Mac: Stressed Scum

Wait, why is creature spewed?

Please don't call me fake. That hurts my feelings.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:17 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:13 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:08 pm Phone reads list:

Town:
Creature: Spewed Town
Hyena: >90% Town
Dragomir: Asshole Town
Elephant: Verbose Town
Spiny Creature: Spiny Town

Townlean
Vanity
Radishes
Juliet
Michelle
Spirityo
Nutella

Null:
Pawn Lelouch: Pawn Lelouch
Nanook: Nanook

Scumlean:
112: Pocketing Scum
JackOfHearts: Cheese Scum
Lexi: Inactive Scum
TonyStarkPrime: Iron Scum
Benson: Fake and Scum
Rej: What are you doing srsly

Scum:
Iaafr: Incoherent Scum
Mac: Stressed Scum
Wait, why is creature spewed?

Please don't call me fake. That hurts my feelings.
Like five people are TRing Creature even though he's hella ambiguous

Probably at least one of those is scum

I mean, I understand the rationale, but I think that's way too circumstantial to say he's spewed.

Anyone else think it's a bit wolfy to have a BIG reads list this early? Is that standard for villa-Eva?

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:29 pm don't d1 Juliets, she's Towny in my book and she may get spewed town by an actual scumflip down the line

This is where I am. I think she has the type of playstyle that the wolves will target for a mislynch.

I'm not ok with vanity being consensus villager at this point. He's clean, yes; but almost too clean, if you know what I mean.
Call it gut-feels, but I'm giving him a soft FoS.

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:37 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:23 pm Anyone else think it's a bit wolfy to have a BIG reads list this early? Is that standard for villa-Eva?

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:34 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:29 pm don't d1 Juliets, she's Towny in my book and she may get spewed town by an actual scumflip down the line
This is where I am. I think she has the type of playstyle that the wolves will target for a mislynch.
this is like shading me without wanting to actually confront me

i know you're think i'm wolfy, if you think i'm a wolf then just say it. the fact that you're not engaging me at all is worrisome.

No, those reads had nothing to do with you. It's too early and I'm far too lazy atm to be going in deep on associative reads.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:38 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:37 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:23 pm Anyone else think it's a bit wolfy to have a BIG reads list this early? Is that standard for villa-Eva?

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:34 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:29 pm don't d1 Juliets, she's Towny in my book and she may get spewed town by an actual scumflip down the line
This is where I am. I think she has the type of playstyle that the wolves will target for a mislynch.
this is like shading me without wanting to actually confront me

i know you're think i'm wolfy, if you think i'm a wolf then just say it. the fact that you're not engaging me at all is worrisome.
If Benson thinks like me, and I think they do, they aren't seeing you as the wolf who might push juliets later, they're just saying it is likely to happen if she's v

this

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:41 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:38 pm I'm not ok with vanity being consensus villager at this point. He's clean, yes; but almost too clean, if you know what I mean.
Call it gut-feels, but I'm giving him a soft FoS.
what are you talking about? you've literally made posts that soft reference me in talking about wolfy behavior. are you not realizing this or what?

Lol I do realize that but those soft references didn't have you in mind. I was speaking fairly generally. By calling you clean I meant that your posts in a vacuum just look ostensibly villagery.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:47 pm Tbh I think Benson is probably vil here. Scum!Benson would wagon my reads and be more careful to not contradict himself.

Why would I wagon your reads? Lol

The contradiction part is probably accurate though.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:54 pm Dragomir is getting a lot of townreads. I'd be stunned if this isn't TMI from somewhere.
or he's just bad and people have shit reads

...or is it you who has tmi
I feel like I am living in crazytown. I'm getting so much heat and it doesn't feel legit.

That sounds like wolfy frustration from being caught over the wrong reasons.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:51 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:50 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:47 pm Tbh I think Benson is probably vil here. Scum!Benson would wagon my reads and be more careful to not contradict himself.
Why would I wagon your reads? Lol

The contradiction part is probably accurate though.
Because you and I will almost always find each other when town. So if you're scum you'd fake that.

But weren't you saying I'd sheep your reads if I was wolfing? I don't think I would unless it served my agenda.

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:54 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:54 pm Dragomir is getting a lot of townreads. I'd be stunned if this isn't TMI from somewhere.
or he's just bad and people have shit reads

...or is it you who has tmi
I feel like I am living in crazytown. I'm getting so much heat and it doesn't feel legit.
That sounds like wolfy frustration from being caught over the wrong reasons.
meh

mac getting frustrated at being suspected doesn't seem alignment indicative to me based on wc1

ssshhh I'm lowkey trying to rile him up

Votes aren't locked or anything, right?

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:03 pm Votes aren't locked or anything, right?

NVM I read the OP like a good cat.

[VOTE: 112]

[VOTE: 112 ] aubergine

112 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:10 pm @Benson - thoughts on Hyena?

Still looking villagery.

Tony Stark's vote + qualification is...concerning.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:12 pm @Benson you are scum right? Popping in and out to share your two cents. You're hiding something bucko.

Lol popping in with my opinions is pretty much how I'm gonna play until the game gets serious. I'm spending most of the time just getting caught up when I read the thread.
And I'm hiding everything

Looked at the ISO: 112 has way too few hot-takes/60. That's a lynching imo

112 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:28 pm I just want to acknowledge how much empathy I feel for all the scum we're going to lynch together, Mac.

Why do seemingly already know Mac is town? Enlighten

112 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:33 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:29 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:28 pm I just want to acknowledge how much empathy I feel for all the scum we're going to lynch together, Mac.
Why do seemingly already know Mac is town? Enlighten
fucking hell benson enlightenment is not something i tell you. you do it yourself with my help. this is a two-way street.

it's probably because of the mushrooms i did before the game started. i'm in my super-saiyan mode now- way above what can be said through the limits of language.

go study the esotericists and stuff if you want mafia enlightenment

There was an attempt to deflect

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] be honest: are you just OMGUSing me?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:40 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:40 pm @MacDougall be honest: are you just OMGUSing me?
No you are posting in waves and it makes me think you have btsc

btsc?

I'm still exploring the wolf-Mac world, but the casing from Eva against him is pretty over-the-top. Like I get it's probably for pressure purposes but it kinda feels like a slander attempt. I wanna see dueling Eva vs Mac wagons today, even if just for the theatrics xD

I dig having the green text for OT discussion

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