The Syndicate

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:47 pm Nobody cares about Colin right now. Why is he throwing in the towel?

Am I throwing in the towel?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:07 pm Maybe he wants the perks that come with being a Confirmed Civ. He could reasonably expect protection from kills. I don't know, it's pretty weird. I'm sure the Phoenix Down owner has a plan, no need to "lynch a Civ" to get a good target. Maybe he's a baddie with the ability to appear Civ upon their lynch. Get lynched - look Civ - use up rez - PROFIT!!!

Bingo. If I die then you know I’m a civ and if I come back, that’s good. Is this hard to understand?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:30 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:37 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:48 am @ColinIsCool, as this day phase began you provided a few examples of mafia-INH from past games to describe his treatment of his teammates. I'd like to see how you apply that information to the present game.
Unfortunately I didn’t find anything that excited me. It’s tough to say whether he was bussing or not too because the UPick game didn’t see him have to. Ultimately a null exercise.
Would Mafia Colin have gone to the effort, unprovoked, to start building a distancing/bussing case on INH and then back off it so tepidly?

If INH looked like getting lynched I suspect Colin would have pointed at these posts for cred. It's a bad look imo. It seems like a hedge designed to make him look good in the event of an INH lynch without getting himself into the position of having to actually push [mention]ColinIsCool[/mention]
I made these posts after INH died. Learn to read bitch

I have to learn to use tags too I guess.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:30 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:37 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:48 am ColinIsCool, as this day phase began you provided a few examples of mafia-INH from past games to describe his treatment of his teammates. I'd like to see how you apply that information to the present game.
Unfortunately I didn’t find anything that excited me. It’s tough to say whether he was bussing or not too because the UPick game didn’t see him have to. Ultimately a null exercise.
Would Mafia Colin have gone to the effort, unprovoked, to start building a distancing/bussing case on INH and then back off it so tepidly?

If INH looked like getting lynched I suspect Colin would have pointed at these posts for cred. It's a bad look imo. It seems like a hedge designed to make him look good in the event of an INH lynch without getting himself into the position of having to actually push it.
I was about to say something here, but I'll let Colin do answer to it first. @ColinIsCool go

You too, Jay.

Mac is fake as fuck. He doth protest too much and his ideas aren’t grounded in reality.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:14 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:03 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:00 am (okay, that was a fun exercise, and in doing it I guess there wasn't quite as much suspicious content as it felt like there was. I think my point about LC is the one most worth considering.)
Ok, you do it. Discuss reasons why Colin might do that.
Well he could be town wanting to get confirmed, but as Quin pointed out, why? He's barely even been suspected at all until now -- and what's more, he had just pointed out his fear that rezzes were either gone or in the wrong hands. If he's town he can't count on a rez, by his own admission. He can only rely on a rez if he's bad and knows his team has one. Whether he has some way to appear civ upon flip, or whether his team will rez him as a confirmed baddie, I can't say, but there doesn't really seem to be a town explanation.

I think nutella is town from this fwiw. Total shades of Easter talking herself into every possible combination of goodness and badness in everything.

Can people please address my question from yesterday re: Niffler.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:51 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:38 am
timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:39 am Guys, I always write the way I write in this game. I don't like to push ideas if I'm unsure of them, so I always make clear that I'm unsure. It's how ive always posted in mafia. So if you are going to lynch me for it, honestly I'm prob done for good. This is the very reason ive gone such long stretches without playing, this happens every fucking time.
If you are a member of the mafia team and you just typed this into our beautiful game thread, then you deserve to be modkilled. It's not ideal from a civilian either, as you've shamed people who are merely trying their best and threatened "I'm prob done for good". That's not cool. I understand though that on the civilian side, it can be more difficult to shed that emotion in a heated moment.

I am inclined to view this as civilian frustration expressed in an unfortunate manner. I will vote elsewhere.
I apologize. People are doing their best. But this happens every time I tryto play, and it insanely frustrating to write honest thoughts and have my natural wording style get me lynched. I can't defend against it. But yeah its no one's fault.

I feel for timmer here. I just come into threads and don’t think about what I’m saying because I’m not hiding anything and then a buncha cosmic brain theories come out about me being Keyser Soze. Every game. This post will probably get it too. Timmer town.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:30 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:07 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:07 pm Maybe he wants the perks that come with being a Confirmed Civ. He could reasonably expect protection from kills. I don't know, it's pretty weird. I'm sure the Phoenix Down owner has a plan, no need to "lynch a Civ" to get a good target. Maybe he's a baddie with the ability to appear Civ upon their lynch. Get lynched - look Civ - use up rez - PROFIT!!!
Bingo. If I die then you know I’m a civ and if I come back, that’s good. Is this hard to understand?
Yeah, because the rezzes have been so available and stuff so far. Let's totally waste a lynch on you and hope that third night's the charm.

What can I say, I’m a selfish guy.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:54 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:06 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:47 pm Nobody cares about Colin right now. Why is he throwing in the towel?
Am I throwing in the towel?
Yes. Goodnight.

Learn to read BITCH

If I am going to get lynched by the dumbest wagon ever in my time of playing Mafia then at least please answer this q before I go join my great friend Turbup Head in the, uhh, Mirror of Erised? I don’t fucking know you tell me.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:47 pm Hypothetically assuming I used a Niffler, is it pro-town to share the results? Please weigh in on this and thank you.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:37 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:33 pm If I am going to get lynched by the dumbest wagon ever in my time of playing Mafia then at least please answer this q before I go join my great friend Turbup Head in the, uhh, Mirror of Erised? I don’t fucking know you tell me.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:47 pm Hypothetically assuming I used a Niffler, is it pro-town to share the results? Please weigh in on this and thank you.

I don't think it would be pro-town. If anything it would just put more pressure on to lynch/kill people in that house (or not).

Sounds like a Yun Qui situation waiting to happen.

That’s one thought I had but on the flip side it is not necessarily a bad thing if people zero in on one house. It’s hard to say.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:38 pm Why don't we talk, Colin? I want to pick someone's head, and you're the only person around.

Pick away

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:40 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:39 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:38 pm Why don't we talk, Colin? I want to pick someone's head, and you're the only person around.
Pick away
Firgive me if I missed it, but who are your townlocks? Why?

What's off about Jack?

I feel good about timmer, Epi, Glorf, and poutanko, mostly tonally they all pass the gut test. Sloonei, I think that INH vs Owner didn’t look like bussing in retrospect. I feel better about Jay than I did earlier. I think nutella looks like her civ game. I feel pretty good about you but somewhat less so because of the Bullzeye cop-out vote.

Jack, somebody made a case on him that I liked a lot. LC? I’d have to go back.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:48 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:33 pm If I am going to get lynched by the dumbest wagon ever in my time of playing Mafia then at least please answer this q before I go join my great friend Turbup Head in the, uhh, Mirror of Erised? I don’t fucking know you tell me.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:47 pm Hypothetically assuming I used a Niffler, is it pro-town to share the results? Please weigh in on this and thank you.

I don't see the town benefit of publicizing Deathly Hallows locations. If anything, you'd mark that House for death.

But that's whatever.

So you asked to be lynched... and now that the votes are coming to you, you're getting salty about it??

LOL non please monsieur... allow me. [VOTE: Colin] aubergine We humbly await to serve your every request.

I’m not asking to be lynched really, just that if you cosmic brains REALLY are gonna do this song and dance again ... y’all know what to hmu w/ after

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:56 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:13 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:14 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:03 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:00 am (okay, that was a fun exercise, and in doing it I guess there wasn't quite as much suspicious content as it felt like there was. I think my point about LC is the one most worth considering.)
Ok, you do it. Discuss reasons why Colin might do that.
Well he could be town wanting to get confirmed, but as Quin pointed out, why? He's barely even been suspected at all until now -- and what's more, he had just pointed out his fear that rezzes were either gone or in the wrong hands. If he's town he can't count on a rez, by his own admission. He can only rely on a rez if he's bad and knows his team has one. Whether he has some way to appear civ upon flip, or whether his team will rez him as a confirmed baddie, I can't say, but there doesn't really seem to be a town explanation.
I think nutella is town from this fwiw. Total shades of Easter talking herself into every possible combination of goodness and badness in everything.
Ok cool but is that all? You're not gonna defend the point that you can't count on a rez so it doesn't make sense to waste a lynch, unless you're bad?

Not to mention you drew a comparison to Easter in which you were super evil. Idk if this is any kind of reliable tell but I feel like players are subconsciously or not more likely to be thinking about games in which their alignment matched the current one.

I am not following you here at all.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:51 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:48 pm Jack, somebody made a case on him that I liked a lot. LC? I’d have to go back.
Please find it. Jack hasn't been the presence I'd expect from him. I want to see what you saw.

Gimme a sec

I am never going to find this case on Jack unless the person who made the case finds it for me, sorry. This thread is too big.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:03 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:48 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:33 pm If I am going to get lynched by the dumbest wagon ever in my time of playing Mafia then at least please answer this q before I go join my great friend Turbup Head in the, uhh, Mirror of Erised? I don’t fucking know you tell me.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:47 pm Hypothetically assuming I used a Niffler, is it pro-town to share the results? Please weigh in on this and thank you.

I don't see the town benefit of publicizing Deathly Hallows locations. If anything, you'd mark that House for death.

But that's whatever.

So you asked to be lynched... and now that the votes are coming to you, you're getting salty about it??

LOL non please monsieur... allow me. [VOTE: Colin] aubergine We humbly await to serve your every request.
Lol

Also yeah Colin what is good about singling out a house? You gonna make us focus on a house that you know none of your teammates are in?

My thinking was that we could attempt to draw NKs and civ protections to a house. Bit of a gamble though.

The Long Con case DH just posted is prettay good though too. He seems particularly opportunistic voting for me, more than Quin or the others.

I fully admit I don’t look great in relation to INH. He’s a wascally wabbit and I have almost never read him correctly aside from U-Pick. Oh well.

Town: DH, timmer, Jay, Epi, Glorf, Sloonei

Luna and LC are baddies

Later nerds

I didn’t see I was dead in the first post so I’m assuming I lived

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:30 pm Moved my vote to long con.

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

He had supported Colin quite directly, calling his game strong, but kind of around when it seemed clear that colin would indeed be a lynch contender, lc just pulled an easy flip, and he failed to talk about it since.

Timmer is BAE. This is exactly how it feels to be little ol’ me

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:34 pm In any event, Glorfindel being a civilian opens up at least one decent analytic window. I don't think the case against him was ever very good in the first place (have you HEARD that GLORFINDEL said all those NICE things about JAY?!?! Like WHAT is he up to?), and yet it never quite seemed to go away. I'll take a peep later.

Maybe I’m an idgit but I legit don’t even get where it came from, it just appeared out of thin air on the readback. Some1 expln plz ?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:20 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:19 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:10 pm I think LC is Mafia based on that result. I say we just lynch him again.

Yes Taco me.
Or if our Vig can target him tonight, that'd be cool too.
oi i called dibs on deciding who the vig targets tonight

wait your turn
why them tho
Scum 3J saved scum Colin.

Jay knows full well that I am not worth saving

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:51 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:45 pm I didn’t see I was dead in the first post so I’m assuming I lived

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:30 pm Moved my vote to long con.

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

He had supported Colin quite directly, calling his game strong, but kind of around when it seemed clear that colin would indeed be a lynch contender, lc just pulled an easy flip, and he failed to talk about it since.
Timmer is BAE. This is exactly how it feels to be little ol’ me
I don't understand your post, Syndicate user ColinIsCool. Please restate in another way. What is exactly how it feels to be little ol' you?

He put into words why LC gave me the jeebies in the phase. Total 180 of his opinion in an opportunistic manner, and it’s good to know I wasn’t just no u-ing

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:36 pm k so LC wasn't rescued by an elixir of life. *crosses out theory on scratch paper with bright red steve buscemi lipstick*

Jjj confirmed town. Adam Sandler’s new Netflix special is WAY funnier than it has any right being if anyone wants a rec

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:56 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:55 pm He put into words why LC gave me the jeebies in the phase. Total 180 of his opinion in an opportunistic manner, and it’s good to know I wasn’t just no u-ing
oh, k.

Whaddya think of LC now in light of the things?

I’m sympathetic to the lynch stop as Mafia power argument but it could also be a Hallow, couldn’t it? Which would mean NAI.

Y’all tensions are a little high in the thread right now so let’s please just remember what’s important and be thankful that I am still alive in this game.

I am a little creeped out by Speed thanks to the residual Bullzeye suspicion, and I do not understand his voting for Glorf whatsoever. Long Con, see above. Luna is reminding me more of her scumplay, I don’t think she believes every argument she’s making.

Townlocks are timmer, juliets, 3J, maybe Jack. Poutanko still looks good to me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:12 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:56 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:36 pm k so LC wasn't rescued by an elixir of life. *crosses out theory on scratch paper with bright red steve buscemi lipstick*
Jjj confirmed town. Adam Sandler’s new Netflix special is WAY funnier than it has any right being if anyone wants a rec
Is it standup?

Yeah, it’s a combination of jokes, joke-songs and a couple of songs that aren’t exactly funny but still nice

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:17 pm I know why Long Con is still alive.

Regardless of the case I don’t think a scum
DH asks “Do people think this makes me look town?” about something.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:27 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:25 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:23 pm Hey you know what would be great would be if we could move on and never talk about Glorf's truth meta ever again ever like forever. That would be cool and good.
You bring up something else and a conversation might be born. Otherwise the thread is what it is, and reads are to be derived from it.
There's no civ explanation for Long Con's survival, and his team thought they wouldn't need it. Discuss.

What about the Invisibility Cloak? Could prevent the player from getting lynched.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:30 am Like, if he got a Hallow from being the last person to vote for somebody, then the Hallow he got didn't stop that lynch so it wouldn't stop his.... right?

So 3 possible scenarios as I see them:

1. LC started with a Hallow, NAI, but does an LC with a Hallow make a big fuckin stink about trying to get more?
2. LC Did not start with a Hallow, but gained one through killing. Bad
3. LC's lynch stop was not the result of a Hallow. Bad.

Lets just get the fuckin' guy already.

Great great thinking.

I dunno you guys, Horcruxes sound good, let’s hear LC out.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:42 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:14 am I dunno you guys, Horcruxes sound good, let’s hear LC out.
But if he had one doesn't that mean he is bad since they aren't anywhere in the set-up explanations and the mafia have secrets? I do agree with you thought about hearing LC out.

I was actually being super sarcastic

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:04 am Long Con is sure being quiet while we try to hash out why he's still alive. Makes him look like a baddie lying low. I revise my rainbow read on him and say he's bad.

If LC is bad, remember this post.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:12 am I'm going to read over what I just posted and come to a conclusion after taking a break. JJJ posts a lot. I'd like some other opinions as well. Most of what I posted was just facts, and my few opinions are clearly shown as such.

As of right now, I could absolutely see JJJ as scum. I could see him as scum with Nutella. And I could see him as town. There were hints of all these possibilities in that readthrough. I need to look at motive and figure out which is most likely.

Preferably, before night ends.

I don’t know if I have ever played with scum Jay. I was sketchy on him early game and I always am hesitant to trust town leaders but I feel good about him right now.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:27 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:26 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:04 am Long Con is sure being quiet while we try to hash out why he's still alive. Makes him look like a baddie lying low. I revise my rainbow read on him and say he's bad.
If LC is bad, remember this post.
Why? You think we're teammates and I'm bussing him?

How do other people feel about the initial quote?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:03 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:53 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:38 am "Actually guys theres a 3/5 chance Long Con is good so lets like not lynch him please we already lost two of our teammates lol please omg stahp"
I've already been mislynched once for defending a scum Long Con even after he scumslipped. I'm guessing you want to make it two?

If you'd like to actually engage me instead of pooping on my posts without any substance to what you're saying then I'd be happy to debate it with you.
The idea that Long Con survived due to having a Hallow assumes too much and takes too many liberties. The idea that he survived because he's bad and had a Horcrux assumes much less and takes almost no liberties.

We have no actual confirmation that horcruxes even exist in this game though

I thought it was obvious what my post meant.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:49 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:24 pm I thought it was obvious what my post meant.
It was obvious. You bookmarked me for a scum read later based on what I said. I was just wondering if you had anything to add to that. like what was your read on me before this post? Bonus points if you want to call out anyone else who might be bad if LongCon flips bad.

My read was that you are bad. I think you know that and you may have even commented on it in a similarly defensive fashion.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:26 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:22 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:35 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:27 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:26 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:04 am Long Con is sure being quiet while we try to hash out why he's still alive. Makes him look like a baddie lying low. I revise my rainbow read on him and say he's bad.
If LC is bad, remember this post.
Why? You think we're teammates and I'm bussing him?

How do other people feel about the initial quote?
I asked what you thought, Colin. Then you shrug, and look around the room for validation instead of responding to my question. This doesn't look very good for you.
Real

I also had a negative reaction to your initial post, like you were reluctantly realizing everyone believes LC is bad and you decided you had to change your tune, but would a teammate really be the last to turn on him in this situation? Nah. The teammate is the one who calls out that person and makes it sound like that person is obvbad to set up a mislynch. Colin looks awful here.

I think you over-estimate what a scum team does when it’s a few members down and the sharks are circling.

Almost getting some TMI vibes from this convo though as if Luna and/or nut know LC’s alignment already.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:27 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:22 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:26 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:22 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:35 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:27 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:26 am

If LC is bad, remember this post.
Why? You think we're teammates and I'm bussing him?

How do other people feel about the initial quote?
I asked what you thought, Colin. Then you shrug, and look around the room for validation instead of responding to my question. This doesn't look very good for you.
Real

I also had a negative reaction to your initial post, like you were reluctantly realizing everyone believes LC is bad and you decided you had to change your tune, but would a teammate really be the last to turn on him in this situation? Nah. The teammate is the one who calls out that person and makes it sound like that person is obvbad to set up a mislynch. Colin looks awful here.
I think you over-estimate what a scum team does when it’s a few members down and the sharks are circling.
Please enlighten me.

This is one of those times where the thing I said is self-evident so I am not sure what you’re asking of me.

I have mapped out every possible circumstance for how the scum team acts or doesn’t act based on who flips and when. Surprisingly about 45% of these scenarios end with Epignosis mailing me a check for 10 grand

Nutella’s favorite song is Arcade Fire - Neighborhood #1 (Tunnels)

Speed is tonally town to me but I need to evaluate him as the Glorf thing was weird and Bullzeye looked bad.

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