The Syndicate

I have no idea what's going on. I thought I got lynched.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:11 am
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:14 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:00 am @Pawn Lelouch So you're reasonably sure Colin was lynched and you were NKed?

I was excited to play with Colin again since it's been a while but apparently he hasn't participated much and was on people's lists for being a low poster?

Hmmm if that's the case I might actually believe you can be town here.

And that makes me feel all the better about the Eva vote (see: what radish said about her NKing you and nanook)
Considering no one had an actual reason to TR him? When quite literally the best anyone could get on him was that he seemed to out of it to be very agenday with his like 10 1 line posts? With iiafr/Eva/I all basically forming a core, where if it came down to F3 with one of them and another player it was obvious how I would choose?

Yeah, would have been pretty damn hard for me to be the lynchee there. Full disclosure I hadn't voted up Colin that day, I was in my bottom 3 there, but even so I think I can be fairly sure of that.
He isn’t lying, but lemme ask you Pawn, and @ColinIsCool, I’m assuming you were told when you got kicked out of the dream? So if colin was immediately booted back that’d Make sense. Otherwise we’re back to square one and don’t know who was actually lynched. Especially figuring the vote spread favored pawn over colin

Like I said in limbo, “there was no possibly way pawn would beat colin in a lynch if everyone voted honestly”

I don't know what any of this means, but this is the first I'm hearing of myself being "agenday". In fact I've been called completely un-agenday more to my recollection.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:35 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:32 pm I have no idea what's going on. I thought I got lynched.
You might want to talk to Sprityo about that.

Enjoy your new lease on life.

[mention]sprityo[/mention] sup

Well, this is the first time I've ever seen this thread and it's 135 pages long, so, uh. Probably not going to read all that

Evenstar was considered nearly mechanically cleared at one point in a thread I was in so what's up with all the votes there?

So am I to understand there is some question about whether or not I was lynched?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:47 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:32 pm I have no idea what's going on. I thought I got lynched.
You got lynched but all it does in the other threads is move you up. Then we all got booted. Here we are.

Okay, I saw some more posts from Pawn about me getting lynched but I think it means I've been lynched twice? Damn b. What kind of Mafia game am I playing here

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:50 pm I mean I for one am really enjoying it and think the hosts have done a great job.

I agree.

112 said it was scummy when I asked Mac an innocuous question in the other thread, and that wasn't very nice of them.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:56 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:52 pm Okay, bed time. Even radishes need to sleep.

For the record, I'm enjoying this game immensely. Awesome theme and flavour, crazy twists, enjoyable personalities.

SPREAD THE LOVE.

And lynch the baddies.

I apologize for my contributions to the more toxic/hostile bits. I think everyone here is a wonderful person and I don't want anyone to feel like their contributions are not wanted or valuable. I want all the new members to feel welcome and to play more games on this site with us <3

Fuck you!

Thanks for saying you were excited to play with me again though

I was sort of sketched out by Pawn in the last level I was in because I felt like he was misrepresenting the previous level we shared pretty severely. That said, I see him having those same kind of arguments here and I don't think anyone would be so bold as to gaslight the entire big thread, so I feel better there.

Can everybody just do Colin a big ol' favor and like ... one-line summarize your current vote for me. I'll love you 5ever.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:03 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:00 pm Can everybody just do Colin a big ol' favor and like ... one-line summarize your current vote for me. I'll love you 5ever.
Colin, I'm not sure I understand - you don't have any votes.

Sorry, I mean to say: can everyone explain why they're voting the way they are?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:11 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:04 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:03 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:00 pm Can everybody just do Colin a big ol' favor and like ... one-line summarize your current vote for me. I'll love you 5ever.
Colin, I'm not sure I understand - you don't have any votes.
Sorry, I mean to say: can everyone explain why they're voting the way they are?
I'm voting for Eva because she was one of the "final three" in a level so it makes sense to lynch within those three, and based on radish's and sprityo's descriptions her actions in that level sounded scum-motivated, and radish had lots of other good points on her from previous phases, and the NKs have thus far been mostly players that she would be afraid of reading her correctly, and her interactions with drago don't preclude them being w/w in my opinion, and her thread content in general hs been opportunistic at best and agenda-y/controlling at worst, and I think she may have taken advantage of the janitored kill, and.... ok I'll stop there.

So does that (final three) mean they were the last three there after a bunch of people (I'd have to assume I'm one of those) got "eliminated"? And we're thinking to lynch within that group because we think the hosts would have made at least one of them be scum?

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:26 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:59 pm I was sort of sketched out by Pawn in the last level I was in because I felt like he was misrepresenting the previous level we shared pretty severely. That said, I see him having those same kind of arguments here and I don't think anyone would be so bold as to gaslight the entire big thread, so I feel better there.
Full disclosure I am very much a bold scum. I prefer being indirect and letting others do my dirty work but if I need to get my hands dirty I will go in deep.

You can TR me jut fine but do it on actually valid grounds please.

Well, those are my grounds, so ...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:39 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:30 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:11 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:04 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:03 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:00 pm Can everybody just do Colin a big ol' favor and like ... one-line summarize your current vote for me. I'll love you 5ever.
Colin, I'm not sure I understand - you don't have any votes.
Sorry, I mean to say: can everyone explain why they're voting the way they are?
I'm voting for Eva because she was one of the "final three" in a level so it makes sense to lynch within those three, and based on radish's and sprityo's descriptions her actions in that level sounded scum-motivated, and radish had lots of other good points on her from previous phases, and the NKs have thus far been mostly players that she would be afraid of reading her correctly, and her interactions with drago don't preclude them being w/w in my opinion, and her thread content in general hs been opportunistic at best and agenda-y/controlling at worst, and I think she may have taken advantage of the janitored kill, and.... ok I'll stop there.
Will point out that I was blatantly full in on TRing Eva and iaafr, never rescind and all that. She never had to kill me, she had to have known how I'd go in any f3, and the idea that it wouldn't end in the f3 is odd due to how long this game already was by then. So the kill on me doesn't make sense from her perspective.
You’re talking about when you and Colin died? Were you told if you were nked or lynched?

Some of us don’t ever get lynched or nightkilled so we don’t know about these things.

I wasn't told anything.

I’m way behind but I changed my mind. [VOTE: PAWN] aubergine unless I see something better in this catch-up

My incompetence should town confirm me, imo.

To explain that last post before the lock I ... did not switch over for DST yet

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:36 pm To spell it out for those not paying attention. Radishes and/or Sprityo have to be the 3p because Evenstar is heavily implying she was targeted in the l3 place so it can only be those two and she was sure it wasn't Sprityo.

Radishes not suspect Sprityo of being so just confirms it.

So does his "she's marvelous at this" post. That's not how a town thinks in that place.

This makes perfect sense to me ... for once!

[VOTE: Radishes] aubergine

Friends, my data plan is fucked and it’s taken me nearly half an hour to try to make just this post. I can play when I’m home on WiFi but that isn’t until after phase ends so my vote will probably have to stay put.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:04 pm Hey @ColinIsCool you know the phase doesn't end until tomorrow night, right? Won't you be able to get on a computer tonight?

Woof! I did not realize that.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:29 pm If iaafr and pawn are civs, then I think Epi is much more likely to be bad.

Agreed

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:20 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:17 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:29 pm If iaafr and pawn are civs, then I think Epi is much more likely to be bad.
Agreed
Empty thing to say. That literally applies to anyone.

Agreed

I don’t know if I’ve seen a single Hyena post but in my catch-up a few pages back there’s a lot of talk there. Bullet points?

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:01 am all y'all married and i will continue to sit here like a potato.

Don’t worry Dom, I am decidedly NOT married as well! Perhaps a Syndicate singles cruise is in order.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:31 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:28 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:22 pm If ColinIsCool and MacDougall are civilians, then Dom is much more likely to be bad.

Duh.
I don't understand. Did I miss something or is this because of something that happened in the dream levels.
There are ten players.

Two of them are bad.

One says "If Charles is lynched and is shown to be good, then Dave is much more likely to be bad."

That's an obvious thing to say. It's simple math.

Yeah but like, you gotta remember I’m not smart enough to consider that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:55 pm I think I'm convinced iaafr is bad.

It's illegal to claim a role. It isn't illegal someone to speculate about the role someone else had.

Evenstar could check roles. If she checked nutella Night 1, she could undermine (or try to undermine) the interrogation I made against iaafr regarding his failure to vote someone Day 1 at a critical juncture.

At no point did iaafr question Evenstar's treatment of him. iaafr accepted it and hell, even embraced it, if memory serves.

nutella was not present to bury him.

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

I go back and forth on iaafr but this is somewhat damning to me and the point I go back toward. I might have to just trust my gut on this one

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:29 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:26 pm I don’t know if I’ve seen a single Hyena post but in my catch-up a few pages back there’s a lot of talk there. Bullet points?
My lean is that if iaafr is bad (and I believe he is), Hyena is bad too.

That last phase looked staged the more I look at it.

I gotta say the Hyena posts where they “re-interpret” everything or whatever gave me a weird feeling in this direction.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:50 pm Colin, why are you on Radishes?

Well, I find the 3p argument convincing but you are right that it’s not the priority. I just haven’t switched over yet.

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

Okay but like. Iaafr was insisting for a million years that all the scum were Syndicate members ... but we’re consensusing toward a theory that almost none of them are

Should I go see Billy Joel in August? I mean, really. Tough call there.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:21 am Note to self: Epi said something about Michelle being an alignment cop earlier but I did catchup and never saw it again so I probably skipped a page. Go find the posts you missed.

He’s quoted it a few times. I missed the context but I think he said he thought mafia suspected that and killed her for it.

Actually, wait. Somebody was asking me to explain how to breadcrumb in an earlier thread. Note to SELF to check that out

Alright I’m going to bed. Not sure if I’ll be able to be on before EOD but I like the current prevailing mood overall.

Mac and Epi fighting is just like the one time my parents got a divorce

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:48 pm Am I the only one still scumreading Rabbit?

No

Mac’s big case against Epi is persuasive but I just don’t see it. I don’t have a lot of experience with scum Epi but I don’t think he gets into it with rabbit as ... thoroughly as he did if he KNOWS they’re on opposite sides (assuming town rabbit in this scenario because otherwise it’d be the best teammate fight I’ve ever seen). I don’t even recall whatever the Dom stuff is so that’s not a factor.

I do wonder though.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:21 pm
1. I stood by while allowing my godfather (arguably the most important mafia role when a cop is in play) to go down Day 1. Note that I voted 112 early and made no effort to drum up support for a 112 lynch, made no effort to get someone else lynched, and made no effort to get myself lynched in the godfather's stead.
Is this true? Why do you think so?

That last part about making an effort. We all know how good Epi is at Mafia. Does anybody see a universe where he’d get lynched on D1, even if by design? I don’t think I do so the point rings false.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:38 pm Alas, critical thinking is dead.

Christ I tried.

Are you sure? It might have just moved down a dream level

I have barely spent any time with juliets in this game. I can see where you’re coming from in your post Epi but it’s not enough for me to condemn her.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:48 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:45 pm I have barely spent any time with juliets in this game. I can see where you’re coming from in your post Epi but it’s not enough for me to condemn her.
Then do your own goddamn research. It's Day 7. Make an independent decision on her.

Oh, you.

I checked up on the Dragomir lynch results before you wrote that. Nobody on his wagon has flipped scum, but 2 of the people on 112’s have. Granted I buy that Radishes is 3P but seems like there might’ve been an organized counterwagon there even if you say you didn’t try to campaign for it.

The remaining players who voted for 112 are Epi and Jack in case anyone was wondering.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:57 pm Or are you saying the only ones who are left alive are Jack and me?

Yeah that. I wasn’t around obviously so I don’t know anything about vote order and the like.

I could be way off base but from my POV it’s noteworthy that at least two scum coordinated onto 112. Might be prudent to consider that it really was, or at least became, a counterwagon.

Why aren’t we going back to Evenstar’s “mechanical” clearing of iaafr? How does that not make iaafr look terrible?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:04 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:02 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:57 pm Or are you saying the only ones who are left alive are Jack and me?
Yeah that. I wasn’t around obviously so I don’t know anything about vote order and the like.

I could be way off base but from my POV it’s noteworthy that at least two scum coordinated onto 112. Might be prudent to consider that it really was, or at least became, a counterwagon.
I won't argue this point. My goal would be to preserve the Godfather.

Evenstar's goal was too, but she acted like it was stupid and fought me on it. I can produce the interaction if you need it. It's already in here somewhere.

No, I was there for that, I remember.

Plus if we have a scumteam that includes both iaafr and Eve then they would look SO bad if Epi were a NK. I feel like lynching iaafr helps me solve more and more of the game.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:47 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:03 am Why aren’t we going back to Evenstar’s “mechanical” clearing of iaafr? How does that not make iaafr look terrible?
Are you talking about her assertion that he was the double voter? iaafr says she was pocketing him. Do you think that's possible?

I’m more talking about iaafr just rolling with it and using it for cover.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:05 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:20 am @Syndicaters - is Epi's reaction here normal for his meta? I mean his whole 'civilians are fucked, there's no one here, you guys are playing the game wrong, just rememebr this after I die' diatribe. Because normally when I see that sort of reaction to someone's impending lynch, they're mafia trying to fake emotion they feel looks genuine.
"Hello. I'm Master Radishes. I'm full of shit and not a civilian but trying to influence the outcome of this in my own best interest."

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