The Syndicate

See TH didn't explicitly state he'd moved his vote so....

Ay fam just ROOTIN TOOTIN COWBOY SHOOTIN for the rest of tonight, but first gonna catch TF up

Several posts into my readback and Owner hasn't addressed Juliet's post asking her some very hard hitting questions.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:28 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:31 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:04 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:02 pm
So you are voting DH because he was a civilian in the a completely different game and you suspected him there?

I have my reasons, or it could be DH just reads scummy each game. (that could be a thing; I would need to have played more games with him to test this theory).

But I think he's being different.

So Owner, I am reading through your posts and I didn't see any further explanation but my apologies if you've already answered this. You say:
1. You "have your reasons" - so what are those reasons?
OR
2. DH reads scummy in every game but you haven't played enough games with him to know (I personally don't think he reads scummy here)
OR
3. You think he's being "different". Different from what? The game you played with him where you thought he was scummy but he was civ? What differences do you see and are you talking about differences from Firefly or some other game? If it's another game what game is that?

I know people have already commented about your suspecting DH for his play in another game where you thought he was bad but he was really civ, but I'll just add to the comments anyway: if you have other reasons (item number 1) please state them because the reasons you give here don't make a lot of sense to me. If you've already stated what "my reasons" are just point me to that post.

No one is gonna lynch him today even if I state my reasons, that has become perfectly clear.

This is my 2nd game with DH. Certain behaviors, I'll find scummy most of the time. I'm not sure if they are alignment indicative, but working to figure out what the edges of his meta look like.

He's being different from last game where he was town that game. But not everyone plays the same way game to game. I figuring out how far it stretches.

There are a few instances where DH is approaching the situation as I should know better. As if I someone is silently saying are you really gonna play this way again? Which, I've run into in the past when I have tunneled others, but it's difficult to know if someone is still within a particular meta.

If I'm alive, DH gets a fresh look at tomorrow based on the posts he makes tomorrow.

OK here it is a page or so later, Mondo Primo Garbo lets lynch Owner tomorrow fam.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:52 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:28 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:31 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:04 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:02 pm
So you are voting DH because he was a civilian in the a completely different game and you suspected him there?

I have my reasons, or it could be DH just reads scummy each game. (that could be a thing; I would need to have played more games with him to test this theory).

But I think he's being different.

So Owner, I am reading through your posts and I didn't see any further explanation but my apologies if you've already answered this. You say:
1. You "have your reasons" - so what are those reasons?
OR
2. DH reads scummy in every game but you haven't played enough games with him to know (I personally don't think he reads scummy here)
OR
3. You think he's being "different". Different from what? The game you played with him where you thought he was scummy but he was civ? What differences do you see and are you talking about differences from Firefly or some other game? If it's another game what game is that?

I know people have already commented about your suspecting DH for his play in another game where you thought he was bad but he was really civ, but I'll just add to the comments anyway: if you have other reasons (item number 1) please state them because the reasons you give here don't make a lot of sense to me. If you've already stated what "my reasons" are just point me to that post.

No one is gonna lynch him today even if I state my reasons, that has become perfectly clear.

This is my 2nd game with DH. Certain behaviors, I'll find scummy most of the time. I'm not sure if they are alignment indicative, but working to figure out what the edges of his meta look like.

He's being different from last game where he was town that game. But not everyone plays the same way game to game. I figuring out how far it stretches.

There are a few instances where DH is approaching the situation as I should know better. As if I someone is silently saying are you really gonna play this way again? Which, I've run into in the past when I have tunneled others, but it's difficult to know if someone is still within a particular meta.

If I'm alive, DH gets a fresh look at tomorrow based on the posts he makes tomorrow.

OK here it is a page or so later, Mondo Primo Garbo lets lynch Owner tomorrow fam.

Just to keep my Ratio of "Being a Self Important Asshole to Being Legitimately Smart" intact, behold:

Juliets asks Owner some real easy softball questions that are very typical of Juliets, she likes to try and get people to talk through their shit. (Am I wrong, JC?)

Instead of answering even one of those questions here's what we get:

Q: You "have your reasons" - so what are those reasons?
A: No one is gonna lynch him today even if I state my reasons, that has become perfectly clear.
DH: So? Dodging the Question Meta. Juliets asked you why you suspect me, what she didn't say was "Convince everyone in the thread to lynch DH now." Saying "I have my reasons" is intentionally vague and dangerously so.

Q: You think he's being "different". Different from what? The game you played with him where you thought he was scummy but he was civ? What differences do you see and are you talking about differences from Firefly or some other game? If it's another game what game is that?
A: He's being different from last game where he was town that game. But not everyone plays the same way game to game. I figuring out how far it stretches.
DH: Different how? Like a clown? Different like a clown, like I'm here to amuse you? It's my job to amuse you? Juliets doesn't care here *if* you think I'm acting "Different", the meat on this question is "How is he acting different and why is that significant" Two questions you dodged. Neo out here.


I don't even understand this last bit

There are a few instances where DH is approaching the situation as I should know better. As if I someone is silently saying are you really gonna play this way again? Which, I've run into in the past when I have tunneled others, but it's difficult to know if someone is still within a particular meta.

1. What instances
2. Better than what
3. Who would fuckin' dare tell me how to play mafia
4. Meta is trash please recycle.

Haven't caught up all the way, just got word they need me to do some cattle rustlin'.

Adios Amigos.

So anyway my RDR2 game glitched on a mission cuz I'd already looted the house that you're supposed to loot in the mission when I was fuckin' around in free-roam so thats cool.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:54 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:05 pm Thinking out loud, is there a way to math out who has what/who targeted who with what/etc using the potential House Points as a jumping off point?

Or would that require too much outing/claiming/bullshit to be worth anything in the long term.

The later.

All you’ll get is that x players forgot to submit actions minus y players have used all three powers give or take mod error.

Thanks for the timely reply.

After I posted this I figured since the House Points use "minimum" values to score points and not "Each time you do X" they'd be more or less unreadable.

Full disclosure I have a busy day today and I probably won't be able to do a re-reading of the end of D1 until tomorrow, but I'll try.

And by busy I mean adult responsible shit and then tonight I drew the short straw again and have to hand out candy again

karavalenge wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:36 pm I'm just confused about "picture read" to the point where I have just ignored it completely until now but since it keeps being brought up.

I apologize for having fun and picking out a fun Harry Potter themed comic to share during the pregame. Clearly this was because I am scum. For reasons I have yet to determine beyond "posted a picture". I wrongly assumed that during Day 0 I would not be judged for posting a picture and even spoiler tagging it so that people wouldn't have to see it if they didn't like it.

I *just* went through your ISO for a picture/gif post cuz I was like "what f***** picture?" and its of Hagrid.

If me being Negan = Negan is bad therefore I am I bad

Why is Kara being Hagrid = Hagrid is good therefore Kara is bad.

And why is Kara posting 1 picture of a good guy a "Picture Tell" and Poutanko going out of her way to post several offsite emotes not "picture tell"

Just to be clear my stance has not been, will not be, and is not "Owner is bad at mafia" or "Owner is a bad player" or anything close. My stance is "Build your evidence and your cases based on this game, the game you're in right now, and be consistent with what you say and do."

- Vaguely Meta-Reading me based on 1 incorrect game is frustrating but not on the whole baddie indicative.
- Basing *this games* suspicion on that meta-read is.
- Not answering questions that are posed to you is.
- I don't like the Kara Picture Tell Read thing, because it is inconsistent with what you've told me Picture Tell is supposed to mean. Not to mention the whole concept is complete voodoo astrology nonsense.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:51 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:46 pm Just to be clear my stance has not been, will not be, and is not "Owner is bad at mafia" or "Owner is a bad player" or anything close. My stance is "Build your evidence and your cases based on this game, the game you're in right now, and be consistent with what you say and do."

- Vaguely Meta-Reading me based on 1 incorrect game is frustrating but not on the whole baddie indicative.
- Basing *this games* suspicion on that meta-read is.
- Not answering questions that are posed to you is.
- I don't like the Kara Picture Tell Read thing, because it is inconsistent with what you've told me Picture Tell is supposed to mean. Not to mention the whole concept is complete voodoo astrology nonsense.

I did answer questions, whether or not you like the response or choose to accept my answer is other thing entirely. What did I tell the picture tell was?

You said in firefly that I subconciously associated with Negan and Thanos therefore I was bad. Kara's comic strip is of a bumbling Hagrid, therefore she is bad? Hagrid is good.

Also you dodged every single one of JC's questions.

I gotta go get in some RDR2 before the flood of trick-or-treaters.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:10 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:46 pm Just to be clear my stance has not been, will not be, and is not "Owner is bad at mafia" or "Owner is a bad player" or anything close. My stance is "Build your evidence and your cases based on this game, the game you're in right now, and be consistent with what you say and do."

- Vaguely Meta-Reading me based on 1 incorrect game is frustrating but not on the whole baddie indicative.
- Basing *this games* suspicion on that meta-read is.
- Not answering questions that are posed to you is.
- I don't like the Kara Picture Tell Read thing, because it is inconsistent with what you've told me Picture Tell is supposed to mean. Not to mention the whole concept is complete voodoo astrology nonsense.

Following the blue text in reference to the general play of one DharmaHelper:

Have you ever been a civilian in your life?

I plead the fifth?

What hell such early votes

Back in a second to read the D2 goings on (I ditched reading back on the D1 stuff that I missed. I'll either catch that shit in a later ISO or I just won't care for it.)

poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:16 pm

poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:14 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:12 pm Not really. A check-in post can come whenever. Why does that Day 0/1 distinction matter?

Because modblock only happen if someone doesn't post for an entire DP
D0 has no effect on D1 post count.

I'm sorry but I don't quite understand the point you're trying to make. nova has 0 posts in the game, regardless of phase. lapluie has one post in the game, regardless of phase. I have no basis on which to read nova at all, and as such I followed the math. I have one post on which to read lap, and it's at least mildly icky (as is the implied awareness of the game following from that post without having returned).

If they're scum they would have more urge to not be modblocked so they can use their abilities D0 has no effect on that, D1 is. I don't get how you read Lap as bad due to you viewing her 1 post on D0 as she did it because she urged to.

Anyone find this productive?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:21 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:27 pm Jay is this the post you are talking about re: Quin? You think that me thinking his question was a natural follow-up was a poor reason? I don't understand that at all. And what TMI are you talking about? Please point that out in my post.

I attacked Quin, because attacking Quin is a nice way to make things happen early in a thread. Quin is responsive, and it is something likely to become A Thing in general thread dialogue -- and from that, a Mafia game may be born. Your response to that is one that bugs me, because your defense of Quin was as empty as my attack. If Quin's accusation really was that of a "slip", then it was quite silly -- you called it "natural", and I find that dubious.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:27 pmAs to me contributing to the negative thread climate about you, did you miss this post?

Spoiler: show

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:23 am good morning everyone -

There's been a lot about Jay posted over the evening/night and after reading it all I'm less inclined to vote for him today. He mentions a "breakdown" and I don't know if that is true but when I couple it with the fact he said supatown Jay is dead it puts me off voting for him. I know from discord how busy he is and how he is immersed in his studies and barely comes up for air. Maybe these things are why he does not appear to be the civ Jay I know. I'm still not wild about his logic for voting Quin but willing to overlook that at this point in the game in the hopes we have a town Jay - maybe not supatown, but at least town.

How is that in the least bit negative? I posted it after reviewing what you and others said as of the end of the first day of the phase.

I did see it yes, though I admit that I had previously thought it came later in the phase. It was early in the EST morning, so it wasn't as close to the EOD region as I'd thought (when the general climate of suspicion was shifting or had shifted to the TH and Owner split). So that's a bit better than the alternative, as in backing away from suspicion when the climate wasn't ideal for its being pushed. You must understand though that in that post your assessment of me was still negative. I didn't appear to be the civ Jay you know. You weren't wild about my logic. My transgressions had to be overlooked to give me a break. You didn't call for my destruction, but that's not a positive assessment of my play in this game.

Also note that I have highlighted in blue some of the components of your post here. There's a tone of assertiveness and even combativeness that I am simply not used to seeing in juliets posts. I won't pretend that these are hyper-suspicious things, but you are a very difficult player to read. If you're a mafioso, then I believe it's little things like this that will get you caught. You're too careful for big mistakes. So scrutiny is extremely important in your case.

My perspective that you were contributing to the negative climate surrounding me stems from your approach to my treatment of Quin, beyond that discussed in this post. example / [/url=viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1676&p=490899#p490899]example[/url]
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Eh this is bunk lads Jay gets bumped down the list into the red.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:11 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:06 pm Alright, I'm now caught up.

Most of the Day so far has just been two different squabbles over semantics. The whole Epi-Juliets thing has been more or less baffling in its scattershot legitimacy. It's the kind of thing that JJJ usually pushes, except with less actual substance, which makes me a tad sus of JJJ. Then there's the whole Owner/DH thing. It definitely feels like Owner is stuck replaying Firefly, while the rest of us are playing a new game. This regression could be scummy or not, depends on what else Owner decides to bring to the table. So far, I ain't impressed.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:04 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:02 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:06 pm Alright, I'm now caught up.

Most of the Day so far has just been two different squabbles over semantics. The whole Epi-Juliets thing has been more or less baffling in its scattershot legitimacy. It's the kind of thing that JJJ usually pushes, except with less actual substance, which makes me a tad sus of JJJ. Then there's the whole Owner/DH thing. It definitely feels like Owner is stuck replaying Firefly, while the rest of us are playing a new game. This regression could be scummy or not, depends on what else Owner decides to bring to the table. So far, I ain't impressed.

It's not a regression. It is potentially a meta thing.

Would you trust other people who have played with DH over a ton of games and have seen him as both scum and civ if they were to tell you that you were barking up the wrong tree with your meta characterization of him?

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:02 pm I'm gonna drop a vote on Owner. Her efforts so far just seem disingenuous. Her "read" of DH is unjustified baloney, and her other reads are substance-less.

Hopefully I'll be able to participate more on Day 2, and I want to do some more research into JJJ and TH.

OWNER

I don't get the impression that INH was interested in learning something about Owner's motives in this progression. Instead, it looks like to me like he is giving Owner shit for pursuing an errant thread of suspicion (potentially TMI on DH, to boot) and deciding to participate in her murder when it appears viable. Indeed, the highlighted portion is key: I think his read is hardly justified on her, and his "other reads" do not exist.

[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

Is this the first ever NO-U by a third party.

All caught up. RIP Chuck, Adios Nova.

I submit that when it appeared likely that Owner was on the way out the door, Lunalee used one of my own favorite mafia tricks in the book: Getting a preemptive start on the next Day.

Meaning she tried to hem you up knowing Owner would flip bad, or meaning she tried to hem you up once Owner flipped civ?

NVM its in the spoiler tags.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:00 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:32 pm

poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:16 pm

poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:14 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:12 pm Not really. A check-in post can come whenever. Why does that Day 0/1 distinction matter?

Because modblock only happen if someone doesn't post for an entire DP
D0 has no effect on D1 post count.

I'm sorry but I don't quite understand the point you're trying to make. nova has 0 posts in the game, regardless of phase. lapluie has one post in the game, regardless of phase. I have no basis on which to read nova at all, and as such I followed the math. I have one post on which to read lap, and it's at least mildly icky (as is the implied awareness of the game following from that post without having returned).

If they're scum they would have more urge to not be modblocked so they can use their abilities D0 has no effect on that, D1 is. I don't get how you read Lap as bad due to you viewing her 1 post on D0 as she did it because she urged to.

Anyone find this productive?

kind of, yeah?? it's a valid criticism of Jay's lap read/gth and an argument in favor of her towniness. do you not consider that input to be productive?

Moreso that I got the impression from their exchange that it would have been better/more productive if they stopped a few posts ahead. Seemed too drawn out to me, like they were talking each other in circles and not through the points they wanted to make.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:09 am Ope, I found it! (am I allowed to post a quote from another game?)

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:29 pm There's a specific way in which Quin disagrees with literally everyone... and how he doesn't give a crap... usually, I see that from town Quin, with a certain belligerently honest tone to it. That's one of the secrets of my quindar. That's a bit of what genuquin means.

...wait. Quin's in Ravenclaw. I don't want to lynch someone in my house.
But Quin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.

Another example of Luna prioritizing House Cup over hunting. Can we call this the Yun Qui Tetll? If we're making up tells.

No boofing pls.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:45 am

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:31 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:21 am

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 am This Juliet is indeed very polite (and hard to read as people say)

Do you mind sharing your own thought @@juliets ? Anything you find interesting?

Well at the moment I am most interested in Bullzeye, not so much for his vote for Nova because voting a no show on Day 1 has been accepted practice in the past, but more because he posted on Day 1 but his posts were almost all devoid of content. That doesn't feel like civ Bullz to me - he's an outstanding player.

I think I made it clear that I don't suspect JJJ and I haven't read back on OoaLH but her refusal to vote for TH seemed more of a civ move to me than a baddie move. I may have more thoughts on her later when I read her back.

I'm just kind of throwing things out here, is there anything specifically you would like me to speak to?

Do you need to be asked for something specific to share your own thought tho? Okay then, do you have some other suspects in your mind or someone you notice behaving in a way that they're not their usual self? I see you keep asking people but only gave your opinion if you're asked about it which gave me impression you're guarded

I thought you were trying to get at something specific. I mean I have thoughts that may not be pertinent to you. I generally try to solve using POE and question people a lot to be able to remove them from my POE. There are people right now that I'm seeing as civ but I'm of two minds about naming them - I don't really want to put a target on their back by me and others naming them as civ Imo though I have named some where I thought it was appropriate. That may be why you see me as guarded. Anyway, I have people I think of as civ, Bullz that I am thinking as bad, and then a group of people I haven't decided on which would include for example, Long Con, Jackofhearts, kara, Luna, you and Soneji. Something is bothering me about timmer but I can't put my finger one it so I will re-read him today. On noticing people's behavior I have noted DH is not the take-charge, run the thread, person he was in Outpost where he was bad, so I am reading him as good which I have already said but could say the reason at the time because Outpost was ongoing.

Ok, I feel like I have just vomited random thoughts into the thread - still not sure thats what you wanted but there it is.

In fairness Outpost was a smaller, differently formatted game. Much easier to take control of and be loud and in charge. Like in Survivor mafia.

So here's my plan:

1) Engage and be active here today for a few more hours
2) RE-ISO everyone tomorrow to include what I missed from D1, N1, and D2 updates
3) Evaluate where I stand on the Bullzeye train that seems to be leaving the station. On its face, it looks to me like an easy follow up to nova's death.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:18 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:03 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:09 am Ope, I found it! (am I allowed to post a quote from another game?)

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:29 pm There's a specific way in which Quin disagrees with literally everyone... and how he doesn't give a crap... usually, I see that from town Quin, with a certain belligerently honest tone to it. That's one of the secrets of my quindar. That's a bit of what genuquin means.

...wait. Quin's in Ravenclaw. I don't want to lynch someone in my house.
But Quin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.

Another example of Luna prioritizing House Cup over hunting. Can we call this the Yun Qui Tetll? If we're making up tells.

I'm voting for Quin anyways. How is that prioritizing House Cup points over hunting?

Voting for and trying to lynch are two different issues.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:22 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:20 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:18 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:03 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:09 am Ope, I found it! (am I allowed to post a quote from another game?)

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:29 pm There's a specific way in which Quin disagrees with literally everyone... and how he doesn't give a crap... usually, I see that from town Quin, with a certain belligerently honest tone to it. That's one of the secrets of my quindar. That's a bit of what genuquin means.

...wait. Quin's in Ravenclaw. I don't want to lynch someone in my house.
But Quin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.

Another example of Luna prioritizing House Cup over hunting. Can we call this the Yun Qui Tetll? If we're making up tells.

I'm voting for Quin anyways. How is that prioritizing House Cup points over hunting?

Voting for and trying to lynch are two different issues.

Really? Because I don't vote someone if I'm not trying to lynch them. DH, what's your opinion on Quin?

On the whole I liked his D1 play, having just now read into his D2 stuff, I don't feel great about his JC post which he essentially admitted was trash, and he backed off of it pretty easily/quickly. I don't see anything "bad" from him, though.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:29 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:27 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:22 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:20 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:18 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:03 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:09 am Ope, I found it! (am I allowed to post a quote from another game?)

...wait. Quin's in Ravenclaw. I don't want to lynch someone in my house.
But Quin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.

Another example of Luna prioritizing House Cup over hunting. Can we call this the Yun Qui Tetll? If we're making up tells.

I'm voting for Quin anyways. How is that prioritizing House Cup points over hunting?

Voting for and trying to lynch are two different issues.

Really? Because I don't vote someone if I'm not trying to lynch them. DH, what's your opinion on Quin?

On the whole I liked his D1 play, having just now read into his D2 stuff, I don't feel great about his JC post which he essentially admitted was trash, and he backed off of it pretty easily/quickly. I don't see anything "bad" from him, though.

Thanks for your input. If you had to point out scum to lynch right now, who's your GTH vote?

I'm moderately pinged by you, but I feel strongly that Owner's obsession w/ me D1 and her squirrely-ness with answering questions are good indications that she's bad. So if this was Outpost mafia and I had the flamethrower, it'd be Extra Crispy time up in here real quick.

That being said I'll have a firmer grasp of the game tomorrow when I do my Re-ISOing, and probably walk away from that with something better than a GTH, or in your case a "moderate ping".

I too am glad to be out of the Outpost.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:51 am I just re-read speedchuck and found that:

1. In the end he did not believe OoaLH was bad so I don't think he was killed by a baddie team with OoaLH on it.
2. He said some negative things about Glorf which doesn't look great for Glorf but it's not enough for me to suspect him.

Has anyone else re-read speed? See anything that I didn't?

You think Owner wouldn't sign off on a speedchuck kill? Hm.

Or that Owner not signing off would prevent the kill? Hmm.

Ahh the "Odd choice for a kill" tell. A real "El Classico"

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:41 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:31 am Ahh the "Odd choice for a kill" tell. A real "El Classico"

Does this bear out? Show me scum using this.

I was mostly ball busting the "Tell" crowd again but i do recall someone in the past got me for saying that a kill that I carried out seemed "odd". I just can't recall the game it happened. I wouldn't call it a "Tell" seriously, but it's something I watched for afterwards, both to see if I was the only one who did it and to see if it actually indicated anything.

I'm meh on the whole thing.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:10 pm Speedchuck seems like an odd choice for kill

LOL GOT EM FIREFLY MAFIA TH SAYS THE THING

I officially apologize to anyone using "tells", that's v. funny.

I'm tapped for the day. Deuces.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] *Makes a big ol fart noise* Motivate that.

I apologize if this has been litigated and I missed it (if so please point it out) but:

1. In Firefly Mafia, Owner scum read me in part based on a "Picture Tell" in which she said I subconciously associated with Negan and Thanos, two bad characters. Therefore I must be bad.

2. In this game, Owner scum read Kara based on a picture tell of Kara posting a Hagrid-themed comic strip. Hagrid is a good guy.



My point being, if in Firefly Owner (civ) Genuinely suspected me (civ) for being Negan/Thanos (bad dudes) that's fine because as wrong as it was, it tracks and makes sense if you accept the "Picture Tell" premise. If you accept that same premise and apply it to her Kara suspicion, its fake. She fabricated a reason to suspect Kara and the only reason to do that is if you're bad and need people to suspect.

Slam. Dunk.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:21 pm DH you've made up 3 nonsensical "tells" in the last page. Calm down pupper.

Untrue fam.

Yo fuck off Jay I was gonna post this shit.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:21 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:03 pm I apologize if this has been litigated and I missed it (if so please point it out) but:

1. In Firefly Mafia, Owner scum read me in part based on a "Picture Tell" in which she said I subconciously associated with Negan and Thanos, two bad characters. Therefore I must be bad.

2. In this game, Owner scum read Kara based on a picture tell of Kara posting a Hagrid-themed comic strip. Hagrid is a good guy.



My point being, if in Firefly Owner (civ) Genuinely suspected me (civ) for being Negan/Thanos (bad dudes) that's fine because as wrong as it was, it tracks and makes sense if you accept the "Picture Tell" premise. If you accept that same premise and apply it to her Kara suspicion, its fake. She fabricated a reason to suspect Kara and the only reason to do that is if you're bad and need people to suspect.

Slam. Dunk.

Was that Picture Tell based on the characters being good or bad? If so I’d say, add this to the pile for reasons why an Owner lynch is a good proposition.

I really hate to harp on past games so much but Owner made it relevant so here's her exact words in Firefly when asked about "Picture tells"

Tell 1: The Picture/Gif Tell (can also sometimes be called the music tell, as I use it on both pictures and music. Yes, I have in fact caught scum this way before.

DharmaHelper has used multiple Negan pictures. Subconsciously, I feel like people post pictures of villains see themselves as being the bad guys themselves. I actually did not finish watching The Walking Dead. I didn't really like Negan. Maybe if I gave him another shot he would turn out to be an alright guy, but my first impression of him made me stop watching the show. So at first, I didn't really think all too much about the Negan pictures as is it really right for me to judge Negan as I didn't take time to get to know him? But then DharmaHelper also posted a picture of Thanos. So either personally, DharmaHelper can easily relate himself to those 2 characters or subconsciously he's bad so he posts pictures of villains.

Relevant parts underlined/bolded. "Subconsciously he's bad so he relates to Negan/Thanos" is the important bit there.

Compare that to "kara is picture tell read". Again, Hagrid is good, so "subconsciously [Kara] is [bad] because [she] relates to [Hagrid] doesn't track. Fakerino Suspicionato.

Anyway is Nutella buddying Owner or are they teammates.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:21 pm DH you've made up 3 nonsensical "tells" in the last page. Calm down pupper.

Which 3
Made up how
Nonsense how

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:13 pm I'm pretty convinced that Bullzeye is our best bet so far. [VOTE: Bullzeye] aubergine

Best bet how
Pretty sure why
What's "so far" for you? Looking at anyone else?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:55 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:50 pm Anyway is Nutella buddying Owner or are they teammates.

Is nutella your top mafia read?

No.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:56 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:55 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:50 pm Anyway is Nutella buddying Owner or are they teammates.

Is nutella your top mafia read?

No.

Who is?

Owner is. I'll have a more solid grip on things tomorrow when I do my ISOing and such, but I think I've been pretty clear about my suspicion of Owner and why, and I don't see any arguments that sway me against it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:01 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:56 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:55 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:50 pm Anyway is Nutella buddying Owner or are they teammates.

Is nutella your top mafia read?

No.

Who is?

Owner is. I'll have a more solid grip on things tomorrow when I do my ISOing and such, but I think I've been pretty clear about my suspicion of Owner and why, and I don't see any arguments that sway me against it.

k, but

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:50 pm Anyway is Nutella buddying Owner or are they teammates.

Option 1 - nutella is buddying Owner. Implication:

nutella is mafia
Owner is civilian

Option 2 - nutella and Owner are teammates. Implication:

nutella is mafia
Owner is mafia

You trust Owner less than nutella despite this dynamic?

I was asking a question. I suspect Owner more than I suspect Nutella, but I'm also not immune to being wrong. Nutella's insistence on town-reading and helping and boosting Owner is ping worthy, as is her "Hey the Bullz wagon is taking off lemme get a piece of that ass" post. But I'm dialed in on Owner right now.

Also since this has turned into the Firefly Reunion show remember that time nutella committed seppuku for TH and refused to believe he was bad even when I was completely right and he was bad and we lost lol good shit

Anyway is Nutella doing the Basic-Bitch tell I guess is the joke I am making in this post.

That's 4 nonsense tells [mention]nutella[/mention]