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- by DharmaHelper
- Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:56 pm
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:55 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:18 pm
I was telling the truth when I said I figured out Jack was bad because he pretended not to know what polyjuice was.
And I was telling the truth when I said you were the serial killer.
Well played. That was a fantastic SKer role and you did a damn good job of playing it.
Hilarious to me that because you got outed as a mafia nobody gave two shits about you putting me on blast.
Worthy foe.
- by DharmaHelper
- Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:09 pm
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:08 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:56 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:55 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:18 pm
I was telling the truth when I said I figured out Jack was bad because he pretended not to know what polyjuice was.
And I was telling the truth when I said you were the serial killer.
Well played. That was a fantastic SKer role and you did a damn good job of playing it.
Hilarious to me that because you got outed as a mafia nobody gave two shits about you putting me on blast.
Worthy foe.
Hardly on blast. I was pretty kid gloves about it.
1) You clearly didn’t care about who got lynched several times.
2) Nova was modblocked on N1 and Timmer was roleblocked. This means the only way a townie could have killed him is if there were two odd night vigilantes. There was clearly an even night vigilante. 3 town vigilantes on top of all the protection and investigation is op....unless there’s a sker.
3) Way too many kills with Timmer holstering and so much protection....unless there’s a sker
4) Outed a cop role and couldn’t give an actual reason why that role was bad. Plus lying about what we talked about in btsc.
5) Overstating credit for dead mafia members
6) Quin’s killer was clearly not the mafia kill but also clearly an evil character.
I couldn’t argue the third point without confirming Timmer (my mistake) and I choose not to hammer on the other points because at the end of the day, I was only about 75% sure and it wasn’t worth making Pout more lynchable to get rid of you in my (flawed) calculation. We knew you had the Elder wand and if we could get it, that meant that in addition to my transfiguration, I could give the mafia a 3 vote swing. If you had died and Pout had lived, we would almost surely have won.
But we didn’t and you did. You made the right bets and the right actions while we made the wrong ones. Hats off for a well deserved win.
I told DDL a few times that the civs couldn't see the forest through the trees this game. Like when they lynched you before me.
- by DharmaHelper
- Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:11 pm
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- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:10 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:03 pm
I really needed to find Jack's partner when we did, otherwise I'dve lost probably.
Only if Petrificus Totalus work on you.
It wouldn'tve but I was moreso worried you guys would tunnel-kill me every night until it stuck.
- by DharmaHelper
- Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:14 pm
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:13 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:49 pm
ima make a sweeping declaration for future meta evaluations and also because
that was annoying as heck
I don't lie about my night actions. I don't need to.
I'm GenuQuin
Seconded. Night action claiming got me lynched too just because some people thought what I claimed was stupid, and their logical conclusion was that I must be bad.
I tried so hard
- by DharmaHelper
- Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:26 pm
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:25 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:21 pm
Poutanko I think this was the first time I've seen you play and just fyi those emojis you use are super cute.
Thanks, I'm new here
just my habit using them
You're dangerous when you're serious. Went back and forth between killing you or using you as extra kill
Oh btw Poutanko welcome to the Syndicate you did a great job
- by DharmaHelper
- Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:29 pm
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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timmer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:28 pm
If I had lasted one more night I was going to nk DH but I guess that would have failed? I realized Colin was civ too late, as I was dead.
I tried to kill Luna so she wouldn't clear anyone else, and I was gonna go for the Vigs next but glad you got popped when you did. I figured I had like 3 nights at most to get to Win Conditions.
- by DharmaHelper
- Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:34 pm
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:33 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:46 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:43 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:38 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:38 pm
to be honest though i'm not sure why DH became so strongly town read after the jack lynch.
..civilians couldn't have known that he had a horcrux.
I didn't know that he had a Horcrux either.
yeah, but the way you went about his lynch felt to me like you had information that you shouldn't have. and i was right, given the polyjuice potion thing.
I knew him getting no result when he checked me meant he was bad, yeah.
I also knew he knew polyjuice existed in the game which no civ would.
i mean i was confident it was, but i didn't have any actual knowledge of it i guess
The way Jack talked about it tipped his hand.
- by DharmaHelper
- Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:37 pm
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:36 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:40 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:39 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:38 pm
I want to know what the deal was with the Quin-speed actions. I assume speed was telling the truth, was Quin? Maybe I missed the answer to that somewhere.
DDL posted all the night actions in a big spoilered post. I totally forgot to look at those when I skimmed it but I assume something messed them up lol
LC tried to save himself by using a Dodo on someone.
But the person he picked (Quin) happened to be the guy DH was trying to kill for a hallow.
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I forgot Speed had DH ages ago.
Kara too.
But "civ vig!"
- by DharmaHelper
- Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:48 pm
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:47 pm
Hey DH did you kill Epi? If so why? If not, can someone from the mafia tell us why?
(sorry I still haven't looked at the spoiler night actions)
Wasn't me.
- by DharmaHelper
- Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:02 am
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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Holding onto Amortentia until:
1) I could reliably get two uses out of it
2) The people I used it on couldn't be nightkilled by vigs or maf
Was critical to the endgame/lylo strategy.
- by DharmaHelper
- Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:31 am
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:25 am
So remember when I said DH is playing different from last game and you guys didn't believe me?
I only subbed out because my grandfather was awfully sick, and then went on to pass away a few hours after I subbed out.
I guess 1 game meta can be a thing for me or at least I know have an exhibit A.
I guess part of me wants to take some credit for shaping how DH played.
But yeah, he was a bit more aggro or less caring in some ways as compared to the previous game.
Sorry to hear about your grandfather.
You'll never get me to concede that you understand my meta or that I have a meta. You're still cool though
- by DharmaHelper
- Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:50 am
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:48 am
I think that catching an independent player purely on behavioral data is a very muddy endeavor since the primary motivator of behavioral change between games is the presence or lack of extra information (known teammates or unknown). The capacity to genuinely hunt for mafia is one of the most important benefits anti-civilian roles can enjoy -- it's as pronounced in games with multiple mafia teams (and in many cases renders those games outright unbalanced, which I would not say this game was).
As a civ I want to catch the baddies so they don't kill me and I win. As an SK, like this game, I want to catch the baddies so they can't kill me and I win.
- by DharmaHelper
- Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:04 am
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:03 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:41 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:39 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:37 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:01 am
I think you do clear all of those things if you are in the game tbh. At least until it's too late. We never realised we were at DH LYLO on the day we lynched Jack for instance. I don't think anyone in their right mind could have known that.
You were my top suspect pre-poutanko lynch. I didn't give a shit about the potion.
Yeah well maybe I shouldn't have been given, you know, I was a civ...
That you were. Had I been alive you'd have found the late game even more frustrating than you already did.
At what point did you realise I was a civ for sure?
Part 2 of the last host post.
- by DharmaHelper
- Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:04 am
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:01 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:47 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:44 am
Or it could be forum bias? Well, whatever it is, congrats on nearly fooling everyone.
Thanks, and I look forward to finding out the reason you suspect me the next game we play together
I don't know if I'm playing here again. Yeah, I could have talked to dunya about it, but I was thinking of quitting a few times before the family emergency. I guess I'm of the opinion that I shouldn't need to talk to someone to get through a game.
I hope its not anything I did. You're a fun player.
All the best
- by DharmaHelper
- Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:28 am
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:17 am
@DharmaHelper one thing to be aware of you were far too happy or not phased by multiple townies dying. Nutella had the correct townie response to multiple townies dying, but then you on the other hand "thought it to be good news". It's one thing to say it's good news about narrowing down suspicions, but when there's 1 to none mafia deaths and like 3 townies die, your mood is a dead give away.
Luckily for you, that didn't matter this game. But if I was alive and hadn't subbed out, that would have been maybe something I might have seen or looked at.
I'll take your word for it.
- by DharmaHelper
- Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:33 am
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:29 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:10 am
At this point, I don't know what triggered it. It could be you and inh, or it could have been something else. I guess somewhere I felt belittled or that my reads didn't matter or no one was listening or who knows what.
I guess it just seemed a bit rougher than what I'm used to or something.
Something I have experienced a number of times when playing my first or second game on another site is the feeling that nobody is listening to a word I say. Indeed, it might on some level reflect reality -- not that nobody is listening, but that the regulars on the site don't think my reads are as informed as they need to be based upon whoever's metas to be trusted as valid (and on multiple occasions it has been to their detriment: I was right and they were wrong). I think you might have been in a very similar position in this case. Nearly everyone else has played with DharmaHelper many times over, and in that time there has developed nuanced ideas about how he plays and who he is as a player. And sometimes that can be
blinding instead of informative, as it may have been here. Perhaps the regulars were blinded to a detail that you were able to pick up because you haven't already built years of biases.
With repetition these frustrations tend to subside though, because people become more accustomed to the approach of the newcomer. Indeed, when I was new to
The Syndicate nobody listened to a damned thing I had to say. I remember feeling like I was talking to brick walls in Economics Mafia.
Please know though that it there is never an intent to disrespect or belittle you. I have seen first hand the kind of great Mafia play you are capable of, and I don't think it would surprise anyone here to see you do more great things. I hope you can find the energy to give us another try, because we're a better community for having you a part of it. Every new idea and perspective enriches a game, and every new friend enriches a site.
It can be tough to get your foot in the door and jarring to play with people who have established a tone/style/flavor/routine/culture of how they play. I have no doubts if Owner sticks around and hangs a bit, they'll find their groove.
- by DharmaHelper
- Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:34 am
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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Yeah being a cop is hard. Having to balance who you suspect with the popular suspects can be challenging but Luna played the role well.
- by DharmaHelper
- Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:59 am
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- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:13 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:11 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:10 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:03 pm
I really needed to find Jack's partner when we did, otherwise I'dve lost probably.
Only if Petrificus Totalus work on you.
It wouldn'tve but I was moreso worried you guys would tunnel-kill me every night until it stuck.
It would. Petriricus Totalus prevents you from drinking potions.
You were in for a stone cold surprise (kek) if you tried to kill poutanko one night later.
Oh shit :P
- by DharmaHelper
- Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:01 am
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:20 am
DH to win best 3p for his performance here. lucky or not, killing 3/5 scum members as 3p and winning a game as lms is pretty epic even though the ego could lose a few notches
Technically I grabbed 4. Nova, Long Con, Poutanko, Jack.
- by DharmaHelper
- Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:23 am
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:03 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:32 pm
I would agree with you that I wouldn't attribute my win to luck, or to a majority of luck. I got lucky when I needed it, but I was hustling my ass off every other second of the game. I don't win the game if my Long Con case falls through. I don't win the game if I don't connect the dots with Jack, which later led to everyone connecting the dots on you. I don't win the game if I don't use the Niffler/House Cup/Hallows mechanics the way I did.
I got some good lucky breaks this game for sure but I'm not going to lie, it wasn't an easy win.
Oh I don't mean to say you only won this because you are lucky. You really played an awesome game, no contest. I just wanted to talk about your insane luck because it was amazing to behold. But yeah, not getting lynched for 8 days straght was your merit. That's the only thing I really want from an indie, because they can't do much to avoid night actions.
You even had the most posts in the game. @JaggedJimmyJay maybe that's another exception to that "blow up thread" theory of yours?
Oh yeah no sweat, I gotcha. In fairness I did catch a number of lucky breaks. Also I posted a ton because I love Harry Potter so much.
- by DharmaHelper
- Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:24 am
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- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:05 am
DDL have I said congrats on a great game yet? If not, this was awesome. Like dunya, this and U-Pick have been my favorites. This one was just so intricate, so many moving parts, and honestly I never thought about a secret role which just made it more exciting. You did a fabulous job.
And congrats DH, you did a great job. Certainly my pick for Best Indie.
Thanks
- by DharmaHelper
- Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:32 pm
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:31 pm
Funny thing is, if I had just believed Quin...
I had seen DH committing a piercing kill on mafia. With a blast ended screwt going through Quin's protec. Mafia wouldn't kill their own. I had undeniable proof of a serial killer, and knew who it was.
And I withheld that name.
Thanks.
- by DharmaHelper
- Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:36 pm
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- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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My "break glass in case of emergency" plan was to claim to be a civ-sided indie that could've won with either team but chose by N4 to win with the town which is why Luna got a town result when she checked me.
- by DharmaHelper
- Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:34 pm
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:11 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:18 am
Mega Man, Outpost and now Hogwarts mafia. Ya boi out here GRINDING. This is the DH Era
All credit on those last two but we had what? 18 inactive townies in MM? And LC and Speedchuck defected to the mafia.
Fair nuff.
- by DharmaHelper
- Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:13 pm
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I went back to re-read D3 because I don't remember this Glorf Truth thing being so heated but it turns out the two people I cased and called bad that day were Jack and Long Con.
Am I....am I *too* good?
- by DharmaHelper
- Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:31 am
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:49 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:13 pm
I went back to re-read D3 because I don't remember this Glorf Truth thing being so heated but it turns out the two people I cased and called bad that day were Jack and Long Con.
Am I....am I *too* good?
I think ‘good’ is absolute, my friend and you are as good as they come
- by DharmaHelper
- Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:06 am
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: Hogwarts Mafia - END
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Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:26 pm
So was the pursuit of Hufflepuff suspects a legitimate thing, or was that just sly devils creating a false narrative?
It was legit. I couldn't conceive of a game that would allow the Portrait to block the mafia out completely.