The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:56 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:03 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 4:51 pm Oh wow I was wrong about all three of those people. RIP juliets and kyle, bye baddie inh!

I was right about inh!

Yet you lacked conviction to lynch him.

poutanko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:09 am ...and I thought dealing with Luna in Outpost was quite something (￣▽￣)

Tbh nutella, you look very sus due to your reaction after DH questioning you and you kept changing your vote as if you're having panic attack because you're caught (with 1 saying you voted MacD but in the poll it's still on timmer which made me think you're not serious with your suspicion against him)+asking Juliet if she has a Hallow. But then you must be suicidal if you're scum and be so blatant asking Juliet about Hallow and next thing we know we get dead Juliet. Frame attempt because of your epic derping+scum attempt to get Hallow - could be. I'll reread again later to decide what you are <_<

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:29 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:11 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:02 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:53 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:39 pmOther folks I'd be down to lynching: Glorf, Owner, and maaaaaybe JJJ. Need to read up on all of three of them before I decisively side against them.

Prototypical player salad. Y'all want a definition? This is the definition, or at least of the manner of salad that has most frequently caught bad guys in my experience. Put it in the encyclopedia.

"I would be willing to lynch X, Y, Z, or maaaaaaybe W" is literally how I have described player salad in the past.

Reeaal. Also he ignored my (+your) testimony that Luna's behavior is not indicative of a mafia alignment.

I noticed that as well - your ideas sounded sure, and believable, though I haven't checked it out for myself in Luna's other games yet.

I'm happy to put a vote on [VOTE: INH] aubergine instead.

here we go -- for context in the several posts before this he builds a case on, highly suspects, and votes for Luna, but when Jay points out INH's salad he's all OOOOO SALAD and jumps on that here, seeming to back off of his Luna case too easily after my assertion that she wasn't matching her scum meta. I'm not wording this very well but I feel like scum LC could have built the case on town Luna and when that got resistance he backed off onto his teammate, even though Luna was still on the table to be lynched and INH wasn't really yet, and he either didn't want to look responsible for a town lynch or did want to look instrumental in a scum lynch. idk, maybe I'm stretching it but @Long Con I'm interested in your response. why did you back off of luna so easily, even with the disclaimer that you hadn't checked out her meta for yourself? why did you decide to vote INH suddenly after the salad was brought to your attention?

I thought your defense of Luna sounded like something real, and deserved looking into. Your characterization of her "more cool and manipulative" baddie game didn't look like her game here. For INH, I'm a big believer in Player Salad as a tell, which you referenced elsewhere in your post. I didn't want to leave my vote on Luna, and JJJ's catch of Player Salad made for a good new place to put my vote. I didn't vote him as a bussing move, I voted him because he looked bad to me. I was surprised no one else chose to put a vote on him.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:27 am Alright folks, I've decided I got to patch the House Cup.

From now on, no Houses can win the Cup two consecutive days. This starts having effect right now, so Gryffindor is out of today's cup.

This is because I think the current system allows for a snowball effect a little more than I had predicted. Like, killing/lynching inactives actually helps the house. And I want everyone to have a shot at buying those items.

Also an addendum: if you get the "Use all of your 3 abilities" bonus in the day your house is not allowed to win, the bonus will be transferred to the next day's cup.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:15 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:33 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:20 pm INH- Eh...stop worrying about what other people have to say about you and do something worthwhile with your life, unlike David Lynch.

This is just good advice for me in general.

This interaction is the most eyebrow raising because it almost seems like in thread coaching.

No interactions with:

Colin
DH
Glor
Poutanko
Quin

Poutanko and Glor makes sense. The other three not so much.

If INH is really Mafia, I'd clear nutella, lunalee, Jay and Jack.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:06 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:02 am Implied how and why would you expect anyone to refute an unspoken implication?

Sometimes I forget that other people aren't as smart as me and don't pick up on everything the same way I guess I also figured that if the person who vigged nova wasn't bullzeye they in particular might have protested the clearing of bullzeye, but who knows.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:39 am K, so my Pat's game is over, so I can get back to this.

Guys, I always write the way I write in this game. I don't like to push ideas if I'm unsure of them, so I always make clear that I'm unsure. It's how ive always posted in mafia. So if you are going to lynch me for it, honestly I'm prob done for good. This is the very reason ive gone such long stretches without playing, this happens every fucking time.

And long con, really? That post of mine that you said you found troublesome? I was describing my job. I was at work. Its what I do.

I'm sorry I have no major ideas to push. I'm clearly not cut out for this.

The only useful thing I can tell you is that there really may be something to the idea that the dead baddies aren't necessarily bad. And there may be a serial killer attached to it.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:48 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:01 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:43 am Here's how it went down from my perspective, one mental state at a time.

1. Bullzeye voted for nova.
2. Timmer and a few others found Bullzeye's vote extremely suspicious.
3. Nova was killed and flipped bad.
4. Some people (myself included) suspect Bullzeye even more, thinking that he placed a vote on a teammate.
5. Timmer comes out with a 180 on Bullzeye, calling him his top civ read after the events of the night but not due to a cop check.
6. I look at the list of abilities to see what might explain this that's not cop-ish per se. I notice the one that tracks which player a player targeted, and it occurs to me that perhaps Bullzeye vigged nova since he presumably suspected him, and perhaps timmer tracked Bullzeye since he suspected him, and saw that he targeted nova, and is now townclearing Bullzeye as the vig.
7. I accept this and decide to townread both bullzeye and timmer based on this interpretation.
8. The topic comes up again and Jay questions how timmer could know anything and says that he blocked timmer.
9. I say "wouldn't he not have gotten a result at all if he were blocked?"
10. That turns out to be moot as timmer admits that it was not based on anything he did at all, it was just based on something that happened (i.e. nova's death).
11. I figure that timmer had just made an educated guess that bullzeye vigged nova and decided to townclear him. Since it made so much sense to me when I was investigating back when I thought timmer actually knew something, I figured that I still believed it made sense even though it turned out timmer didn't actually know, and I continued to agree with timmer/believe that bullzeye killed nova.
12. For a while I still figured that this looked good for timmer. I no longer feel like I have much justification for that; he could easily have scum motivation for pulling his 180 on bullzeye in the way that he did.

@timmer

does number 5 come from any sort of info you got?

Gah. So I came out in favor of bullz because of a combination of my night action, which i knew had been unsuccessful but not why, and the people who died. I was able to make some educated guesses based on the deaths that night, when my lack of success was factored in, knowing what I knew.

I hadn't anticipated that I had been blocked, and mostly hedged jjj's post about it because I hadn't meant for people to start revealing their info publicly and I felt bad that he had said it.

But I stuck my thoughts on bullz because of a new educated guess in light of me being blocked, I kind of remade the puzzle and it still worked in his favor, in my mind.

But.... the thought that the dead baddies may not be bad is something I most definitely had not thought of, and it has me convinced that there is a third party killing role.

I'd rather not say more because I'd rather keep my shit locked up a bit. But I don't think those dead baddies are necessarily bad and I'm not sure they were killed by a vig.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:15 am Like we are playing a game in which the basic rules are that our ability to remove bad guys is via lynching and the ability for bad guys to remove us is via night kills. The current scenario flies in the face of this. If I was on a Mafia team that had two killed on day 3 by civilian vigs and zero lynched I would be questioning the balance.

Not to mention it's a Harry Potter themed game and the bad guys are fucking death sorcerers to boot so don't tell me fucking with the flips isn't flavour possible.

Serial killer that kills each night and their kills always have the dark mark on them? Maybe the serial killer is Voldemort himself given the Mafia are "New Death Eaters" ie. which flavour doesn't make sense to have Voldemort on said team.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:59 am I'm heading to bed. Ultimately we need to find a baddie to lynch by tomorrow.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:59 am How crazy! You're crazy DH.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:02 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:58 am Any number of blocks, redirects, delays, etc could account for the kill fuckery.

I mean... those can't increase the number of kills...

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:07 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:47 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:58 pm

Spoiler: show

timmer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:55 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:47 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:46 pm

Did Kylemii just scum-slip?

whaddya mean

He gives a comparison:
Last game (scum): confident opinions, defended players who were civ, voted for his teammates, acted trustworthy
This game (unknown): I have few opinions because I haven't been around.
Not: I have few opinions because I'm town.

So... Ugh... Luna, is that a serious case? Like, you legit think his word choice here is a scumslip? Or is this a desperate attempt at a case to take pressure off of you...

Honestly, no. My use of the term "scum slip" was a little heavy. I just wanted to point out that Kylemii's excuse for not "being on top of things" was because he's "busy."

JUST when I thought I could clear Luna :/

Translation: Thank GOODNESS I can still peg Luna as scum and get her lynched.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:16 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:55 pm Long Con:

Spoiler: show

D1 - Fun, Goofy, Aloofy. Some mechanics talk, Defensive about his mechanics talk, Defends Owner over the DH/DA distinction saying he too mixed them up. Reads TH/Luna as W/W. Votes TH, Looking for Hallows.

D2 - Uses Nova's Death to ping Jay immediately. Agrees w/ Jay about Bullz nova vote. Big post detailing thoughts on Luna. Defends Owner again, but agrees that Epi is a null read.

This jumps out at me. Here LC is talking to Kara about Kara's Day 1 Owner suspicion(s) but lack of an Owner vote:

If Owner turns up scum, then that looks bad on you: to say she really looks like scum, but stop short of casting a clinching vote for an Owner lynch.

This quote here really gets my dogs barking. Setting up a patsy for "If Owner [ever] flips scum" combined with LC's defending Owner a few times already...

How strong does your case feel if Slowner is town?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:26 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:20 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:16 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:55 pm Long Con:

Spoiler: show

D1 - Fun, Goofy, Aloofy. Some mechanics talk, Defensive about his mechanics talk, Defends Owner over the DH/DA distinction saying he too mixed them up. Reads TH/Luna as W/W. Votes TH, Looking for Hallows.

D2 - Uses Nova's Death to ping Jay immediately. Agrees w/ Jay about Bullz nova vote. Big post detailing thoughts on Luna. Defends Owner again, but agrees that Epi is a null read.

This jumps out at me. Here LC is talking to Kara about Kara's Day 1 Owner suspicion(s) but lack of an Owner vote:

If Owner turns up scum, then that looks bad on you: to say she really looks like scum, but stop short of casting a clinching vote for an Owner lynch.

This quote here really gets my dogs barking. Setting up a patsy for "If Owner [ever] flips scum" combined with LC's defending Owner a few times already...

How strong does your case feel if Slowner is town?

Well considering his defense of Owner, and his jumping on Kara with the "if Owner is scum" thing and his thought that Sloonei townslipped, if you take all those away I still don't like his

1) Hunting for Hallows/TH vote
2) Backing off Luna based on Jay/Nut
3) His flip on Timmer with the Adolf tell or w/e that he backed away from pretty quckly felt like he was working a bit too hard to make something click there.

So I'd say I feel (right now, all things included) 65-70% confident in the LC case, but take the Owner stuff out and I'm somewhere in the range of 55-60%

#1 is something Jack and Speed 1.0 both did to some extent. One of them, at least, was town.
I don't know much about #2. #3 is a fair point, I think.

You said earlier you'd look into Jack today as well. I'm curious about that.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:28 pm I mean, you had 6 people on your list and I'm not asking about all of them.

Just one more. Thanks.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:34 pm Here's my GTH list. Throwing this out so I can start to organize my thoughts:
Owner/Sloonei - good
Epignosis - good
JaggedJimmyJay - good
JackOfHearts - good
Quin - good
Bullzeye/Speedchuck - good
Kara - good
Timmer - good
Poutanko - good
ColinIsCool - bad
Sprityo - bad
nutella - bad
MacDougal - bad
Glorf - bad
DharmaHelper - bad

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:35 pm Would a civ Owner make up a complete bullshit phantom case on day 1? I don't know her. Anyone? Cuz reading that case against dh was just... it's so bad.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:39 am

timmer wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:47 pm Skimming through to catch up... Mac's focus on the chance that we are not in fact down two dead baddies is interesting, to say the least, but I'm not sure where to go with it . I'll admit I'm at a loss in the game right now... my suspicions have flopped, my thoughts on lc last night make no sense to me now, I'm going to watch the pats/packers game and then regroup later tonight.

Let's start here and go backwards, because starting at the beginning of Day 0 or whatever is lame because posts back then are extra-fluffy and hard to judge. This is the post Mac called out the Hitler tell on. I don't really see the positive/negative thing that is the basis of the 'tell', because I don't see anything I'd rate "positive" or "negative". Pretty uniformly grey, so I don't understand how Mac decided to apply it.

But now, with Timmer's "The only useful thing I can tell you is that there really may be something to the idea that the dead baddies aren't necessarily bad."... I mean, that is ALMOST a contrast to what he said earlier, "Mac's focus on the chance that we are not in fact down two dead baddies is interesting, to say the least, but I'm not sure where to go with it ". I say 'almost' because I now see that it's only a contrast when I put my own spin on what Timmer was saying earlier. I took it to mean "I don't know what this is, but it has my interest", but I guess it could mean "I'm interested because I have a knowledge-angle on this same thing".

This disrupted my thing I was doing, so I'll post it now.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:17 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:16 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:13 pm #3 - LC, you did a big ol' post about how flakey/wishy-washy Timmer's posts were, and how he was trying to say something that everyone could agree with. And then you backed off of it.

I was drinking last night, but I think that wasn't me. Get me on your page here, please.

Dude, do you mean this post?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:20 pm Well, you aren't reading that closely if you think I talked about Timmer's posts being flakey or wishy-washy. Read again and highlight.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:50 pm Sorry @Long Con. You were a terrible lynch option.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:52 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:51 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:50 pm Sorry Long Con. You were a terrible lynch option.

what in the fuck

He is though.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:00 pm Here's a bit of a quick legacy list:

Glorfindel
nutella
timmer
Jackofhearts2005
Speedchuck 2.0
Quin
karavalenge
poutanko
sprityo
Lunalee
JaggedJimmyJay
Epignosis
MacDougall
DharmaHelper
Sloonei
ColinIsCool

Pretty GTH for half the people on there. But there you go.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:04 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:55 pm "I'm weawwy sawwy I lynched you LC if onwy der was witterawwy any other choice I could have made awwww shucks look how cute I am uwu"

This post is a complete disgrace and I’d have expected far better from you DH. Whatever LC turns out to be, I voted for him only out of duty and loyalty to this hapless Town team not because I thought he was necessarily bad.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:45 pm Folks, I have a warning to make.

I have noticed some people are threatening to quit the site if they are voted for.

While this is not explicitely against this game's rules, it goes completely against the spirit of the game. It's similar to making real life bets on the game's outcome, or posting screenshots of your role card.

Do not bring real life into a mafia game. Ever. Doing so breaks the fictional scenario that is built by the game, and which allows people to see each others as innocent or bad. If you intend to quit the site depending on the game's outcome, that's only your business, and nobody else's.

I will not punish anyone for this now because it's not stated in the rules, but compensation will be done into the game's setup to counteract the effect of this. Furthermore, if it happens again, I will modkill the people who are doing it.

FInally, if something is happening in the game that makes you have bad feelings about the site and about other players, you should really contact @dunya , our game facilitator, about it. She is here exactly to keep your real life grief from getting the best of you and affecting yours and other people's enjoyment of the game.