The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:48 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:46 am I really think Jack has massive teammate equity with Radishes and would be curious how you've arrived at the opposite conclusion?
Easy. Jack is town. Where is this equity you speak of?

lol

Sabie
Mac
Ted

Bad Jack does not make the moves he made on nutella

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:51 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:50 am Sabie
Mac
Ted
You think I am teammates with Sabie? For real?

There are two baddie teams, sweetie.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:52 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:49 am Sloon--

your post confirms what i'm thinking about sabie.

I'd like to hear more from ted.
Yeah, the sabie stuff was my biggest takeaway there. It also felt good to cross TH off the list after independently arriving at a town read on him earlier, but that only eliminates TH from being a member of one of the teams. It’s still theoretically possible he’s on the other team. I’ll call it unlikely though.

Oof. I was not liking TH at all today.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:56 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:52 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:51 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:50 am Sabie
Mac
Ted
You think I am teammates with Sabie? For real?
There are two baddie teams, sweetie.
So you grouped us for no reason?

....And I'm the one trying to paint everything the other does as bad?

I posted my top scum reads. Hop off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:57 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:52 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:52 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:49 am Sloon--

your post confirms what i'm thinking about sabie.

I'd like to hear more from ted.
Yeah, the sabie stuff was my biggest takeaway there. It also felt good to cross TH off the list after independently arriving at a town read on him earlier, but that only eliminates TH from being a member of one of the teams. It’s still theoretically possible he’s on the other team. I’ll call it unlikely though.
Oof. I was not liking TH at all today.
Why?

I asked Turnip who he'd vote for if his top suspect was not an option. He declined to answer. Later, I asked him if his analysis of something JJack posted actually made Jack bad or if he just didn't like it.
Turnip did not respond, but turned around and used that line on me later.

He says he civ reads me, but isn't engaging in good faith.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:04 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:58 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:06 pm Like literally Nanook died and flipped town. How you gonna shade him for voting Nutella?
Wtf, this is not the point, and you know it. You hiding behind a flipped town because you made the same action as him? Lol Jack. Lol.
What exactly was the point?

That Dom, Nanook and I were teamed with Radish?

That's stupid.
Look at all this evidence of you not being a teammate

You literally tied Nanook to him when Nanook no longer occupies the same role.
I'm really not sure what you're trying to prove there.

I would have to be super, super wrong about Jack for him to be bad.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:34 am I have no clue if Jack is town or not. My gut reaction would be town, but I think the only evidence to that end is the WIFOM “oh Jack wouldn’t go after Nutella if he were scum” to which I’ll point out that 1) he might and 2) he backed off.

I understand the wifom element, but him backing off is exactly what made me think he is civ.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:08 pm Not only did sloonei engage with that pointless post, but as tony pointed out he did so in a pointlessly hedgey way.

Never one to miss insulting me multiple times per game.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:31 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:28 pm Would lynch based on Radishes flip: sabie, Jack

Would not lynch based on Radishes flip: Sloonei, Jay, Mac

I’m leery of Dom. A lot of his posts seem to be making points/arguments that expose someone’s bad logic but are not actual scumhunting. This in tandem with his tendency to just say “you’re scum” to people, in place of a crafted argument, gives me heeby jeebies. It is entirely possible I’m projecting because I butted heads with him so I’d like others to check him out.
BTW I fully expect Dom to say that he hasn’t said the words “you’re scum” in this game or whatever but I think you know what I mean.

Colin hasn't read my posts about Turnip Head, himself, or Mac. It's easier to lie about them.

I think we should use all the evidence we have to lynch the person most likely to be bad.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:26 pm Jack and Sprityo are both super compatible imo

ok?
I don't understand this bullshit.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:31 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:27 pm IF Mac is mafia then both teams are effectively done. We can piece together the entire other baddie team based off yesterday.

We should be able to find the remaining two Anti-Moniter people based off the two flips as well.
Yes because if I was mafia I would not have anti-spewed the fuck out of things when I looked done for all money. Simple, simple sig.

....what the fuck does this even mean?
I'm too old for this meaningless jargon.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:46 pm Oh gee guys we've got two scumflips to work through! I know! Let's lynch exactly the only player who literally cannot be teammates with either of them!

You're bad lol

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:01 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:50 pm I don't understand any of this. "Janitor", how this proves Mac is bad, any of it.

I feel ignorant. Can someone explain this to me like I'm an ignoramus cause obviously I am.
sig theorized before that Mac was Saitama and targeted him so he could only post one post during the day. Mac almost got lynched yesterday so now sig is saying that Mac as Saitama used his other power on Dizzy last night, janitoring the kill (making it so that Dizzy's role wasn't revealed) because he or the team feels like he (Mac) will be lynched today so he needed to use the power last night. Somebody correct this if I've got it wrong.

Here is the Saitama role:

Saitama - Each night, you will choose one player to be limited to a single post during the next day. You have a one-time nightkill survival, and once in the game you can janitor a kill you perform, giving you alone the result.

Thank u

I think we should hunt as if we don't have a great lead and then assess as we go?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:25 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:15 pm I think we should hunt as if we don't have a great lead and then assess as we go?
How does one do that exactly?

...not by ruling out someone simply because they aren't on one of the two baddie teams.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:36 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:15 pm I think we should hunt as if we don't have a great lead and then assess as we go?

This is not someone trying to actually solve the game.
This is someone looking to antagonize anyone who disagrees into exhaustion.

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:46 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:43 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:52 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:25 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:15 pm I think we should hunt as if we don't have a great lead and then assess as we go?
How does one do that exactly?
...not by ruling out someone simply because they aren't on one of the two baddie teams.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:36 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:15 pm I think we should hunt as if we don't have a great lead and then assess as we go?

This is not someone trying to actually solve the game.
This is someone looking to antagonize anyone who disagrees into exhaustion.
You literally just said to abandon all of our leads?
Dare I suggest that Mac and Dom ignore each other for the time being? There's plenty of mafia to go around. Just a suggestion.

...Since the hell when does Epi say shit like this?
Did I find your teammate?

Are we going to address the fact that Mac is playing a grievance based game that isn't grounded in finding baddies-- just revenge for crossing him?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:22 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:13 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:12 am Also G-Man is the fool's wagon imo. It's gonna be Mac vs Sig.
Talk to me about GMan.

Even if Sig was scum, and he’s not, there’s a fourth wolf.
I honestly think it could be Epi.

It could be G-man too, for sure. In fact I think it's pretty likely. But tbh I kinda fell for his ATE a liiiittle bit, and I just think he's the easy choice for today that the scum want us all to hop onto.

For someone who likes to call my posts useless, this post is utterly useless.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:36 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:32 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:30 am This is the weirdest situation I've ever found myself in. I feel like I'm being gaslighted.
How and by whom?

No matter what I say or do sig, Dom, Nanook, Jack, Sprityo and you are just constantly repeating that I am bad and some of you are layering it with personally attacking me and I'm just super confused and starting to not enjoy myself. I'm used to having to defend myself but this is truly obscene.

...you literally started your suspicion of me by saying that you think I would prefer to play every game in a Mac-Free paradise.
And then turn around and claim that I'm personally attacking you.
Get a grip.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:43 am Can you guys please tell me how I am supposed to act so that I can do that? Oh wait, my town meta is my scum meta is my town meta so I'll be bad for that too.

I literally haven't said any of this.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:08 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:42 am Mac is bad because Mac isn't his usual self
Mac is bad because mac is salty
Mac is bad because mac is voting sig
Mac is bad because mac is what?
Mac is toxic.
Mac is attacking people.
Oh gee how bad is it that Mac has legs.
Did you guys notice Mac has arms? Fucking gotem.
Mac has a beard. That's awfully suspicious, don't you think?
Mac isn't a dog. By deduction he is Mafia.
Mac is an abstract concept, pretty much a red peek.
It's fucking ridiculous.
Literally none of this has anything to do with why I'm voting you. I think you're mafia. Fair and square. That's the game. Sorry champ, it be like that sometimes.

I do think dom at the least has been a bit unfair and perhaps toxic.

But otherwise this is a misrepresentation. You are being suspected for entirely game related reasons. Take it like a champ, fight back, hunt.

...so....

fuck you.
You do this every freaking game.

Like you people are lamenting how mean people are to Mac while personally attacking me in spades all game.
Get bent.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:54 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:52 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:25 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:15 pm I think we should hunt as if we don't have a great lead and then assess as we go?
How does one do that exactly?
...not by ruling out someone simply because they aren't on one of the two baddie teams.

If one is not on one of the two baddie teams .... they're a civ (or the other indy role), right? I think the best reason to rule someone out is becasue they are not on one of the two baddie teams.

I have a question for you, this post of G Mans, this large appeal to emotion:

Spoiler: show
G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:15 pm Okay, if we’re going to wander down this cocksure ‘G-Man is totes bad’ road to disappointment, then I request that:

1) Someone kill me tonight.

2) Lynch me Day 3.

I’m overwhelmed by the sheer volume of posts. The only reads I have are on players that I think I know well enough, which comes to about seven or eight people. That’s not enough to do the town any good. I’m going to continue to be of little use to the civvies, because all I can muster at this rate is skimming at best. Even that involves skipping large chunks of posts that are about people I’m clueless of.

I admit to being overwhelmed and yet I refuse to sub out. With this much suspicion brewing around me, it’s not fair to ask someone else to come in and wait to die. So that’s not happening. Lynch me and use my lynch for information. We just caught a baddie on Day 2. That gives us a chance to calm down, make a mistake, and be thoughtful and intentional about learning something from it.

As much as I love our hosts, I recognized too late that joining this game was a mistake. There are too many players with too similar personalities making too many posts. Too many of you just blend together in my head. That’s not just this game though- it every game that’s not a Heist. Heck, sometimes even Heists are too much for me. That’s why you don’t see a ‘Best Civ’ or ‘MVP’ Socky in my treasure chest and never will.

After this game, I’m sticking to Heists and hosting. I’m excited about the next game I plan to host. Perhaps that’s where my strengths are. They’re certainly not here.

I don’t want to fight. I don’t want to insult people in the process of trying to convince you I am civ. Let my death convince you of that. If you see me, I’m not lurking; I’m just trying to tread water as best I can.

Thank you and good night.
It worked, becasue I felt like a very bad person for suspecting him.

My question is this; do YOU think G Man would make this post from aplace of manipulation, rather than realsies? I am tending to think the latter, but I am asking you this specifically becasue your interaction with him irl is similar to mine. G Mans baddie game does not involvoe this level of manipulation, imo. I don't see hm doing it.

But all the thread, all my feels up to this point, the vote analyses ... I dunno.

Finally a real post to respond to.
I agree. And I don't like that I feel deterred from G because of it.
What do we do?

And what I meant was that Mac isn't on ONE of the teams. But he could be on the other. So we shouldn't ignore him.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:56 am Th claiming credit for Radishes feels sooooo fake

Hard agree.
AND!

Turnip Head never really responded to this. Just said "sorry" for not acknowledging my questions and prods. He never did anything about that. That the sign of an insincere apology and he doesn't actually think he should be or wants to be held accountable for, quite frankly, baddie play.

Spoiler: show

I have outlined a case against Mac that involves his out of no-where Day 2 vote for Radishes when he was NOT in the lead for votes, his lack of ability to converse with those who disagree, and him lashing out and appealing to emotion.

If that makes me a toxic asshole then just admit you like Mac and don't want him to be sad that he's been found out.

SVS--
I think he could be, yes. And that makes me very nervous.
G-Man is not one to be underestimated.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:24 am That sounds stupid so let’s phrase this differently:
If Mac is scum, is there anyone who is surely also scum?
Lynch them instead.
Mac has a very limited range of possibilities and if we lynch him on autopilot and we’re wrong we risk having no leads on what will soon be a fully powered scum team.

"Let us put the cart before the horse. That shall surely work!"

Question for all you Mac believers:

If Mac is good, then what's up with his position on me?
Am I bad? Am I good? Am I whatever is convenient to get Mac out of the situation he is in?

Mac has no scruples. He has no positions. When engaged with (on sabie) he rebuffs because you can't demagogue by acting in good faith. He claims the suspicion of him is all toxic personal attacks. It is not. I suspect Mac because he is not trying to solve the game. He is trying to win. We all are, however, some of us need to solve the game to win. Mac just needs to kill everyone else.

Turnip Head is employing the exact same strategy. Engage in bad faith. Make civ reads, and don't have a dialogue. Obfuscate. Do whatever you can to muddy the record.

I don't like these two in this game. They need to start trying to get lynched.

Tony, I have no idea what you're talking about tbh. That is super confusing to me

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:02 pm I ISO’d Turnip Head yesterday and came out with a favorable view. I’m unsure why people keep naming him as a possible suspect.

I have summarized it twice now, but you can join the chorus of people who think I’m irrelevant.

I [VOTE: sig] aubergine

You know what’s infuriating?
I summarized it to YOU.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:10 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:56 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:52 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:51 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:50 am Sabie
Mac
Ted
You think I am teammates with Sabie? For real?
There are two baddie teams, sweetie.
So you grouped us for no reason?
....And I'm the one trying to paint everything the other does as bad?

I posted my top scum reads. Hop off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:57 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:52 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:52 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:49 am Sloon--

your post confirms what i'm thinking about sabie.

I'd like to hear more from ted.
Yeah, the sabie stuff was my biggest takeaway there. It also felt good to cross TH off the list after independently arriving at a town read on him earlier, but that only eliminates TH from being a member of one of the teams. It’s still theoretically possible he’s on the other team. I’ll call it unlikely though.
Oof. I was not liking TH at all today.
Why?
I asked Turnip who he'd vote for if his top suspect was not an option. He declined to answer. Later, I asked him if his analysis of something JJack posted actually made Jack bad or if he just didn't like it.
Turnip did not respond, but turned around and used that line on me later.

He says he civ reads me, but isn't engaging in good faith.

I’m too toxic to suspect or vote anywhere else. I’m too mean to Mac (despite players calling me toxic, useless, annoying, etc all game). I can’t get TH to even acknowledge my suspicion.

Like what the fuck, people?

“Dom, ignore Mac. You’re not allowed to suspect him. You’re too mean”

*posts summary of why he finds TH suspicious*

“...”
Total silence.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:00 am I feel like Dom here

someone ping him that the game has started so I don't have to be him

“I thought this was nice”

Suspect Nutella mode.

People who give me the yuckies
Colin
Mac
Nutella
Sig
Turnip Head

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:00 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:55 pm You know what’s infuriating?
I summarized it to YOU.
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:10 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:56 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:52 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:51 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:50 am Sabie
Mac
Ted
You think I am teammates with Sabie? For real?
There are two baddie teams, sweetie.
So you grouped us for no reason?
....And I'm the one trying to paint everything the other does as bad?

I posted my top scum reads. Hop off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:57 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:52 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:52 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:49 am Sloon--

your post confirms what i'm thinking about sabie.

I'd like to hear more from ted.
Yeah, the sabie stuff was my biggest takeaway there. It also felt good to cross TH off the list after independently arriving at a town read on him earlier, but that only eliminates TH from being a member of one of the teams. It’s still theoretically possible he’s on the other team. I’ll call it unlikely though.
Oof. I was not liking TH at all today.
Why?
I asked Turnip who he'd vote for if his top suspect was not an option. He declined to answer. Later, I asked him if his analysis of something JJack posted actually made Jack bad or if he just didn't like it.
Turnip did not respond, but turned around and used that line on me later.

He says he civ reads me, but isn't engaging in good faith.

I remember this. If that's the extent of it, I find it far from convincing. I was not bothered by TH's responses to you.

Can you cite a response?
It’s news to me that there is a response.

Come on, dude. If you read my summary, you’d know that.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:01 pm People who give me the yuckies
Colin
Mac
Nutella
Sig
Turnip Head

Am I allowed to post this or is it “a list of names that have nothing to do with one another”?
Because apparently it was toxic to do that earlier.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:03 pm I mean "TH's responses" in the initial exchange that you found suspicious. I think I remember him responding that accusation too, but I didn't pay it much mind because he's kind of entrenched as a civilian read in my head, tbh.

So you think it’s cool to totally blow someone’s questions off, not engage, basically say fuck you to them?
Interesting.

His response was “sorry i didn’t respond to you dom” and proceeded to not respond.

You think that is... good?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:04 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:03 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:01 pm People who give me the yuckies
Colin
Mac
Nutella
Sig
Turnip Head
Am I allowed to post this or is it “a list of names that have nothing to do with one another”?
Because apparently it was toxic to do that earlier.
I do not know who you are fighting against right now, but this list is acceptable. Talk to me about nutella2.0.

I made a similar list and was told it was dumb or baddie somehow.

Nutella2.0 is being emotionally manipulative. She is telling me all about how nice she was to me throughout the game and she’s oh so sad that I see through the bullshit and using that to steer me away from Mac.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:40 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:04 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:03 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:01 pm People who give me the yuckies
Colin
Mac
Nutella
Sig
Turnip Head
Am I allowed to post this or is it “a list of names that have nothing to do with one another”?
Because apparently it was toxic to do that earlier.
I do not know who you are fighting against right now, but this list is acceptable. Talk to me about nutella2.0.
I made a similar list and was told it was dumb or baddie somehow.

Nutella2.0 is being emotionally manipulative. She is telling me all about how nice she was to me throughout the game and she’s oh so sad that I see through the bullshit and using that to steer me away from Mac.
I am not. If anyone is gaslighting, you are. Most of your "suspicions" take the form of "this person didn't answer my question the exact way I wanted therefore they are bad" which doesn't account for different playstyles that can easily be town motivated in the case of TH, and in the case of Ted you actually assumed in bad faith that he had deliberately avoided something when in fact he just hadn't seen it. That's very much a bad faith assumption. You need to learn to assume the best intentions in people. Also how on Earth am i steering you away from Mac lol, I am literally one of the biggest proponents of a mac lynch,no idea how you could miss that.

You weren't told your list was bad it was literally just confusing/misleading and was misinterpreted.

That first post i made about you was because I actually missed your presence. And because I felt some similarities in our style of accusation, but I don't feel that anymore this game because your reasons have all been shallow af.

It was not about how you missed me. You literally said you wish you didn't have to be the "me".
That does not sound good. You have routinely insulted me throughout our games together and wonder why I assume the worst in your messaging. You consistently tell me I am annoying, rude, brash, harsh, toxic, irritating... the list goes on.

TH literally has not answered my questions (which are prompted by him being suspicious) at all. It's not that he didn't answer them in a way that I liked. He did not answer them. You are lying because you do not like me. I suspect Turnip Head for this. Yet again, you characterize this as "toxic" and "gaslighting". Fuck off. Fuck all the way off.

My reasons are not shallow. You refuse to read into them.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:39 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:04 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:03 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:01 pm People who give me the yuckies
Colin
Mac
Nutella
Sig
Turnip Head
Am I allowed to post this or is it “a list of names that have nothing to do with one another”?
Because apparently it was toxic to do that earlier.
I do not know who you are fighting against right now, but this list is acceptable. Talk to me about nutella2.0.
I made a similar list and was told it was dumb or baddie somehow.

Nutella2.0 is being emotionally manipulative. She is telling me all about how nice she was to me throughout the game and she’s oh so sad that I see through the bullshit and using that to steer me away from Mac.
Does this mean your nutella suspicion exclusively has her on a team with mac? What if mac is town?

I have not formed a read on this version of nutella, but the way she's picked up on the sig wagon (idk if it gets off the ground without her) looks very much like she's not on his team, at the very least.

Her tone is very different as well.

"Dom never engages in good faith"

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:56 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:52 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:51 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:50 am Sabie
Mac
Ted
You think I am teammates with Sabie? For real?
There are two baddie teams, sweetie.
So you grouped us for no reason?

Nutella's bff assuming the worst in me. If he's baddie (which he probably is) it's a good play. But hey... I'm the one who argues in bad faith.

Turnip Head civ reads me and hasn't responded to a single question I pose to him, apologizes, still does not answer them...
yet I'm the one arguing in bad faith.

Get bent. Fuck off. You're either just being rude, judgmental, and personal or you're a pretty transparent baddie.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:48 pm You guys are also being verrrrry liberal with the term gaslighting

I don't think it's appropriate at all.
But anything to smear me.

What would that motivation be?
Is that not how discussions work or am I a second class member who should be happy with being ignored?

Like...?

What the hell is your issue?

That's literally not what I posted about, but you, once again, don't engage in my point (that all discussion I bring up is shut down). Instead, you shut down my discussion and personally attack me.

Go on, nutella. Go the fuck on.

People have been telling me to shut the fuck up for a full day now.

Didn't know you all hated me so much.

*posts about Mac*

"Dom stop"

*posts about TH*

"Dom stop"

*posts about...*

"Dom stop"

Well fuck.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:59 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:44 pm I don’t remember syndicate games being this toxic or filled with vitriol.

Maybe I just have selective memory
It's generally a common thing that occurs when people tunnel me. I'll take the heat on this one.

Not everyone who suspects you is tunnelling.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:00 pm I’m telling you both to shut up tbf

Not even in general just this back and forth is no longer productive

Talk about literally anything that isn’t yelling at each other lol

This is literally the third time I've been told to stop talking about my suspects.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

I asked Turnip Head if someone Jack said was an indication if he was bad or if he just did not like it. He ignored me.
He asked the same question later.

So... I ask you, what civ motivation is there to avoid accountability, but demand it from others? What civ motivation is there to then apologize for this behavior and change nothing?
Is that sincere? Is that earnest game solving?
Or is that hoping to skate by?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:20 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:09 pm @MacDougall talk about players who aren’t voting for/heavily suspecting you. Who are your town reads? Is there anyone you think isn’t getting enough attention?
A great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;

Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.
Mac can you talk about speedchuck? Is it that he isn't posting frequently or something else/combination of things?
I think the lack of speedchuck's content is a large part of it. I am used to him being a more prominent member of the town. I think that with players like speedchuck sometimes basic is the best way to read them. If he is not living up to the normal standards of contribution then it's probably because he has a non town agenda/is putting a lot of his content elsewhere (ie. scum chat).
I take speedchuck on his word when he says he's super busy. That doesn't tell me anything about his alignment though.

This I agree with.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:36 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:21 pm @Sloonei

I asked Turnip Head if someone Jack said was an indication if he was bad or if he just did not like it. He ignored me.
He asked the same question later.

So... I ask you, what civ motivation is there to avoid accountability, but demand it from others? What civ motivation is there to then apologize for this behavior and change nothing?
Is that sincere? Is that earnest game solving?
Or is that hoping to skate by?
How is it skating by when it has clearly drawn your ire? I think it is conspicuous in a way that is more likely town than scum. But idk.

Also, sloonei probably already said this, but. Hypocrisy is a staple of the civilian playbook.

I'm the only one who pointed out and then no one paid any attention to it for... several days.
I'd say it's been pretty freaking successful.

Anyone wanna talk about Tony?

Tony is like "I will work with the assumption Mac is bad and I will do ISOs assuming he is bad..."

Listen, I think Mac is bad.
I'm not doing pages of analysis and hypothesizing based on it 'til it's confirmed.
How is that helpful or useful to this day phase?

I'd love more from Tranq.

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