The Syndicate

Creature wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:02 pm Great there's definitely scum in here:

Rej, Oreki, Dragomir, DrWilgy, Long Con, MacDougall

atleast we don't need to go elsewhere for today.

You are correct, if I had to bet on who it is, it'd be Long Con and Rej.

Oh yeah, I definitely see a scum in Long Con here. His posts last DP lacked any real substance and game solving. They were flat posts that didn't do anything to move the cart(make town progress in getting scum). He's way too agreeable with everything imo, especially with Creature. Makes it even worse as I believe scum wants this lynch to happen and he's fitting the bill of that scum.

Lastly, his iso on Sabie felt fake, forced and disingenuous. It was like "let me iso the person everybody suspects so it looks like I have actual reads and I ain't just sheeping."

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:15 pm This lynch is look too easy.

looking*

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:22 pm [VOTE: long con] aubergine he was too eager to join in Mac's party

Damn, I wanted to lead the wagon.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:51 am I'm a little concerned about how easy of a lynch creature seems to be rn. The low level of conversation/lack of anyone objecting makes me wonder if he's a mislynch and the real scum are sitting back contented with it.

Holy shit, you ninja'd me twice now. And here I thought I was the first to point out that Creature's lynch is too easy.

Rej wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:53 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:51 am I'm a little concerned about how easy of a lynch creature seems to be rn. The low level of conversation/lack of anyone objecting makes me wonder if he's a mislynch and the real scum are sitting back contented with it.
Same here, that's why I expect people to switch and I am ready to switch once there is information, as I will actively check the thread the upcomming 6 hours and people will for sure build a case on the lynch. Who initiated it was it MacDougall?

Wait, so you're just going to sheep?

Rej is scum #2.

Rej wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:19 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:39 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:53 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:51 am I'm a little concerned about how easy of a lynch creature seems to be rn. The low level of conversation/lack of anyone objecting makes me wonder if he's a mislynch and the real scum are sitting back contented with it.
Same here, that's why I expect people to switch and I am ready to switch once there is information, as I will actively check the thread the upcomming 6 hours and people will for sure build a case on the lynch. Who initiated it was it MacDougall?
Wait, so you're just going to sheep?

Rej is scum #2.

So are you going to answer my question or naw. Your play this game has seriously been scummy.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:26 pm Oh yeah, I definitely see a scum in Long Con here. His posts last DP lacked any real substance and game solving. They were flat posts that didn't do anything to move the cart(make town progress in getting scum). He's way too agreeable with everything imo, especially with Creature. Makes it even worse as I believe scum wants this lynch to happen and he's fitting the bill of that scum.

Lastly, his iso on Sabie felt fake, forced and disingenuous. It was like "let me iso the person everybody suspects so it looks like I have actual reads and I ain't just sheeping."

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

[mention]juliets[/mention] Read this. The strongest argument against LC.

Rej wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 2:18 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 2:07 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:19 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:39 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:53 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:51 am I'm a little concerned about how easy of a lynch creature seems to be rn. The low level of conversation/lack of anyone objecting makes me wonder if he's a mislynch and the real scum are sitting back contented with it.
Same here, that's why I expect people to switch and I am ready to switch once there is information, as I will actively check the thread the upcomming 6 hours and people will for sure build a case on the lynch. Who initiated it was it MacDougall?
Wait, so you're just going to sheep?

Rej is scum #2.

So are you going to answer my question or naw. Your play this game has seriously been scummy.
behave
I am not sheeping, I dislike the play of certain people (Mac) and don't bring up the stuff from N1.

You are setting up yourself to sheep. You literally say you're ready to switch once there's information which I assuming is a solid case on another player, so you can hop on that wagon. You weren't even sure if Creature is scum and still voted for him.

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 2:51 pm Meh, stupid website.

[VOTE: Dr. Wilgy] aubergine

What say you, sir?

What do you think about Rej?

The only way Nutella and I are mafia is if Creature is mafia as well. Like if Creature is town, then we can't be mafia as I find it bullshit that mafia would try to stop a mislynch and start a new wagon. That makes no sense. Mafia needs to get mislynches, and they just stop one for town cred? Nonsense.

Call this wifom, I don't care.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:06 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:02 pm Can't believe how quiet an end of the day that was though. Bizarre.
Well we can agree on that. It is weird that creature went silent and never defended himself, maybe you are right about him after all and he gave up

Tbh, giving up is a town tell at least for me. Where I come from, townies be giving up all the time. Even I've given up as a town before.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:13 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:09 pm The only way Nutella and I are mafia is if Creature is mafia as well. Like if Creature is town, then we can't be mafia as I find it bullshit that mafia would try to stop a mislynch and start a new wagon. That makes no sense. Mafia needs to get mislynches, and they just stop one for town cred? Nonsense.

Call this wifom, I don't care.
So you think Mafia don't attempt to cash in on civwagons by refuting them? Never before seen that?

Nope and yep. Never seen that in my entire mafia career.

I mean I can imagine mafia trying to be hesitant on joining a mislynch being like "oh guys, I don't know about this, this doesn't feel right, looks like a mislynch tbh".

And then the player does literally nothing to try to stop the lynch from happening and form a new wagon? That person is mafia for sure.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:18 pm Mafia need to do more than get mislynches to win Dragomir they also need to prevent their own. Avoiding civ wagons is a good way to do just that. A civ wagon that forms incorrectly is almost always formed by civilians. It's the ones avoiding it that I look at. Invariably people immediately pick through the people that form the wagon to look for bad guys which Creature himself did already ironically.

I get what you mean here. It would be bad if they're avoiding the lynch BUT, if a player is actively trying to get a new wagon formed and completely stop the progress of another lynch cause they believe it's a mislynch(and it really is) then I find it hard to believe that the person is mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:24 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:18 pm Mafia need to do more than get mislynches to win Dragomir they also need to prevent their own. Avoiding civ wagons is a good way to do just that. A civ wagon that forms incorrectly is almost always formed by civilians. It's the ones avoiding it that I look at. Invariably people immediately pick through the people that form the wagon to look for bad guys which Creature himself did already ironically.
I get what you mean here. It would be bad if they're avoiding the lynch BUT, if a player is actively trying to get a new wagon formed and completely stop the progress of another lynch cause they believe it's a mislynch(and it really is) then I find it hard to believe that the person is mafia.
The Mafia player has no choice but to make their counterwagon building look sincere. Why wouldn't they try hard to create a counterwagon? The sweet spot is looking like you're trying hard but the original lynch goes off anyway.

Anyway conjecture. Let's await the Creature flip.

You right. But looking genuine when you're actually not is pretty hard to do.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:20 pm That's literally what you and nutella did.

Nah, we actually tried to get a replacement wagon.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:21 pm I mean from my perspective. The Long Con wagon you built never had petrol.

You should consider whether nutella is buddying you Dragomir.

I actually am, and I feel like she's pocketing me but the read is not too strong.

My suspicion on Long Con remains firm.

That is one heck of a power role.

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:47 pm I tend to trust Mac so far. Maybe not 100%, but I don’t see a reason not to. He was quiet and town in one game, and more talkative and bad in the next. That’s very little to go on, but I’m a gut based player, and I have never played with six of these people. Mac has been steady on Creature, so I may vote him.
Some of Creature’s posts, I don’t even know what he means.

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:05 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Scum #2 spotted.

Let's kill them in all in order of capture.

Scum #3 I mean.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:45 pmNot ideal.

Better not be complaining.

[mention]birdwithteeth11[/mention] what are your reads mate?

SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:32 pm Things got busier at work than I had thought so I never got back too this or my vote. So all the stuff I wrote is kind of null and void now I guess. This would have been a hard vote for me given that Creature was looking good for being bad to me, but it wasn't really enough for me to vote for them this round.

I did take a look at Long Con and I'm not really seeing it. I was intrigued by the comment and suspicions of others. So I took a look like I said I would.
Most of LC's early posts were just filler and responses to others and those of us who were stupid enough to not read the rules fully for that first vote. Most of the posts up until the one right after he voted for Sabie in the first day lynch were lacking in substance honestly. Mostly reactions, with the occasional observation maybe mean to poke at people.
But then he called out Sabie and highlighting some actual points, and I feel like this helped drive some of the votes that went that way. They felt like honest observations though to me.
The posts after that just kind of helped seal Creatures fate, but they seemed consistent to me.

I could use a bit more context on why Long Con is a good choice for the bad guy team for a future look at for a lynch, but right now I'm leaning more towards a good guy.

I commented on his thoughts on Sabie, which I said they're fake, forced and disingenuous. What do you think about that?

Also, besides town reading Sabie, what other thoughts do you have?

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:42 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:25 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:47 pm I tend to trust Mac so far. Maybe not 100%, but I don’t see a reason not to. He was quiet and town in one game, and more talkative and bad in the next. That’s very little to go on, but I’m a gut based player, and I have never played with six of these people. Mac has been steady on Creature, so I may vote him.
Some of Creature’s posts, I don’t even know what he means.

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 5:05 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine
Scum #2 spotted.

Let's kill them in all in order of capture.
Where are you getting this from?

From those posts I quoted. I didn't just randomly quote those two posts.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:42 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:29 pm @birdwithteeth11 what are your reads mate?
My reads are that I need to re-evaluate now that Creature was civ.

Re-evaluate and then get back to me then.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:33 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:52 pm My suspicion on Long Con remains firm.
That's nice, but I'm still not bad. I'd say indiglo is looking not too great.

Why so?

She literally sheeped the wagon on Creature say that she's trusting Mac. That's a really sorry excuse. "Mac has been steady on Creature, so I may vote him", like dude what? She's not scum reading Creature, just voting him cause Mac is. I usually don't have a problem with sheeping as a lot of the time it's not that bad if you look at the context and how they're doing as some are really just genuine scum reads.

But this version is just terrible.

I just iso'ed Mata myself and her posts lack less substance and quality than Long Con's and she sheeped on the Sabie wagon too. She has badly sheeped not once but twice this game. This is bad.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:55 pm Is it just me or is dragomir the only person in this thread who is making any goddamn sense

Man Nutella, do you genuinely believe I'm town for my play or are you pocketing me? I really can't tell honestly.

Like, I've pocketed players using this tactic before and it worked great for me in the end so I'm beginning to get suspicious.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:43 pm
SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:32 pm Things got busier at work than I had thought so I never got back too this or my vote. So all the stuff I wrote is kind of null and void now I guess. This would have been a hard vote for me given that Creature was looking good for being bad to me, but it wasn't really enough for me to vote for them this round.

I did take a look at Long Con and I'm not really seeing it. I was intrigued by the comment and suspicions of others. So I took a look like I said I would.
Most of LC's early posts were just filler and responses to others and those of us who were stupid enough to not read the rules fully for that first vote. Most of the posts up until the one right after he voted for Sabie in the first day lynch were lacking in substance honestly. Mostly reactions, with the occasional observation maybe mean to poke at people.
But then he called out Sabie and highlighting some actual points, and I feel like this helped drive some of the votes that went that way. They felt like honest observations though to me.
The posts after that just kind of helped seal Creatures fate, but they seemed consistent to me.

I could use a bit more context on why Long Con is a good choice for the bad guy team for a future look at for a lynch, but right now I'm leaning more towards a good guy.
I commented on his thoughts on Sabie, which I said they're fake, forced and disingenuous. What do you think about that?

Also, besides town reading Sabie, what other thoughts do you have?

Town reading LC not Sabie [mention]SokothQultuq[/mention]

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:08 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:03 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:55 pm Is it just me or is dragomir the only person in this thread who is making any goddamn sense
Man Nutella, do you genuinely believe I'm town for my play or are you pocketing me? I really can't tell honestly.

Like, I've pocketed players using this tactic before and it worked great for me in the end so I'm beginning to get suspicious.
I'm not pocketing, you're just legit the only person making sense atm lol. Bwt sokoth and LC all look really sketchy in their last few posts bc they're either contradicting themselves or passively agreeing with whatever you say.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:09 pm For instance why is sokoth giving LC so much credit for driving a mislynch

Yeah, I can see a scum buddy pair within those two. Sokoth is trying to defend LC without being too hard about it and being very subtle with it. He's like trying to phrase it in a way where making it a town read but he's siding with us(those against LC). Just town read the guy and be natural with it. This "he does look kinda suspicious because of these things but he did this so blah blah blah). Subtle defense for LC which I ain't liking.

Also, yeah he's giving LC town cred for supposedly pushing a mislynch. That don't add up.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:15 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 2:13 pm Creature was my main suspect going into today because of the player salad catch. That made it easy, when Mac said please just vote for him, to vote for him. I agree at this point that there has been little opposition , sort of... Or you could say that there has been much opposition ... due to little opposition.
This is the most suspicious post in the game.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:51 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:44 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:33 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:52 pm My suspicion on Long Con remains firm.
That's nice, but I'm still not bad. I'd say indiglo is looking not too great.
Why so?
Actually, on second thought, I will reevaluate indi. Her theory that all the voters for Creature were scum rankled me, but I don't know now if that fits in with any sort of scum game.
This is a close runner-up.

Lynch Long Con.

Could argue that the two posts from Mata I quoted are more suspicious but I agree on lynch Long Con. Specifically lynched cause I want to see his flip.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:18 pm "She literally sheeped the wagon on Creature"

Phrases you never thought you'd ever hear in a hundred years for $100, Alex.

So you got any reads?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:29 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:27 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:18 pm "She literally sheeped the wagon on Creature"

Phrases you never thought you'd ever hear in a hundred years for $100, Alex.
So you got any reads?
Walls of text within walls of texts are bad.

No game solving is also bad.

Hmm, 14 players. I suspect it's either 10v4, or 11v3. Maybe 10v3v1(indie).

Oreki
Birdwithteeth
Indilgo
Nutella
DrWilgy
Juliets
MacDougall
Epignosis
SokothQultuq
Rej
Matahari
Long Con

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:43 pm Hey @juliets!

Who's currently your strongest scum read Mac?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:46 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:22 am
Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:02 pm MacDougall, sabie12, Sokoth, maybe indiglo if we decide to follow Epi.

Am fine doing any of these.
A pretty big salad here. I'm surprised nobody called him out for it, at least from what I've read, since salads are an apparent scum tell in this forum.

I'll fully read the thread when I wake up.
I mean, gosh, didn't like...Dragomir point out the "salad" thing and comment on how it's "an apparent scum tell in this forum?"

Almost like...gee let me think...he wanted The Syndicate to...I don't know...run with it?

Or maybe I was taking notice of how nobody pointed that out since I've been told that it is a scum tell on this forum? Ever thought of that?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:48 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:47 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:46 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:22 am
Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:02 pm MacDougall, sabie12, Sokoth, maybe indiglo if we decide to follow Epi.

Am fine doing any of these.
A pretty big salad here. I'm surprised nobody called him out for it, at least from what I've read, since salads are an apparent scum tell in this forum.

I'll fully read the thread when I wake up.
I mean, gosh, didn't like...Dragomir point out the "salad" thing and comment on how it's "an apparent scum tell in this forum?"

Almost like...gee let me think...he wanted The Syndicate to...I don't know...run with it?
Or maybe I was taking notice of how nobody pointed that out since I've been told that it is a scum tell on this forum? Ever thought of that?
To what end? If nobody on this forum noticed it or said anything about it, why did you?

Because...it's an APPARENT SCUM TELL ON THIS FORUM.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:49 pm And then when it picked up steam, you backed off and now want to have a go at Long Con. I call bullshit.

Call whatever you want, Long Con is scum. Fight me.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:52 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:50 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:49 pm And then when it picked up steam, you backed off and now want to have a go at Long Con. I call bullshit.
Call whatever you want, Long Con is scum. Fight me.
Fight you? I'd rather lynch you.

Good luck with that.

You can try, it's not gonna happen though.

SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 9:08 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 9:02 pm You can try, it's not gonna happen though.
That's pretty high confidence. I'm curious what you think makes you so untouchable?

I told myself that I will never be mislynched again. I'm also like leading the discussion the thread right now, so I have heavy doubts on everybody just scum reading out of the blue and lynching me.

Also, there's like 500 ppl who are more sus than me. It's not happening.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 9:39 pm It's funny, when I get mostly proven Civ in another game, people jump through hoops to believe that Long Con is Way Too Clever and is pulling a fast one on all of us. Like I'm plans-within-plans superdevious. Kind of refreshing to be accused of being a baddie with such a sloppy no-plan.

Nothing sloppy about this case on you fam.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 8:30 am Okay so them arguing against a civ mislynch doesn't make them Mafia, but it sure as hell doesn't make them town. That's a terrible reason and if that's your only one I'll be voting you as soon as this night ends.

So what does it make us? Indie?

Rej wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 8:54 am
juliets wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 7:38 am
Rej wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 6:44 am My town reads were correct the game through, and I am still...oof guys...

So it was clear this was a mislynch wagon but I like how people still kept discussing it through the whole day leading into nothing.

@Dragomir bruh, you don't wanna be mislynched again...it is one thing, but you also don't want to mislynch others. Others won't build up the psychology of not mislynching, but in the end you practice it, not only here, but you did the same on OJ. You don't let got of me, even when I jumped off the wagon on creature as one of the first.

From defense to offense...we don't have a townkilling by now and I rly sus Juliets now, because I am more used from her plays, she is doing more reads in generell etc, never seen someone playing so off and then going like:
"Hi Mac" - nothing else.

Ffs either MacDougall is town for 100% or he is deepwolfing and taking control of the wagons.
Also YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY 2 misslynches....Dragomir be like: "I am the most active here, leading the discussions..." tell me why is it so familair?
Oh right in our last game hosted by novas we both swiped town by forming one scumwagon against town after another and noone realized it while 1 obvious scum atleast were known to town.

I am getting heavy flashbacks here
Hi Rej -

Could you explain what you mean above where I underlined? You say you are more used to me doing more reads (I think that's what you're saying) and you never have seen me more "off" but we have never, ever, ever played together before. This is the first time. Also, Mac said "Hi" to me and I just said the same back to him, it was nothing more than that. I think he said it because I said I was going to look at him. So again, it's fine if you think I am bad for other reasons but it isn't because I'm different from how you've played with me before because THIS is our FIRST game together.
Oh so you are not Juliet from OJ, my apologize xd I thought you were trolling me.

I literally told you that.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] what do you think about Rej?

Rej wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 6:44 am Oh right in our last game hosted by novas we both swiped town by forming one scumwagon against town after another and noone realized it while 1 obvious scum atleast were known to town.

So we gonna ignore the fact that I as a town also lead discussions and lead town? Not to mention MORE than I do as scum?

Rej wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:34 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:00 am @MacDougall what do you think about Rej?
He already said he townreads me, if I would be scum then I wouldn't leave early on the Wagon on Creature. And I think most vet players will tell you I am town, probably just playing bad and confused. Accept the fact that I am scumreading you bruh...

Why are you defending yourself here? I didn't even accuse of anything just asked Mac for his thoughts on you but you're jumping to your own defense. This is bad Rej, really bad.

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