The Syndicate

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:13 pm Elo
JJJ
Juliets

civ
civ
civ

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:14 pm Kites
leetic
Long Con

civ
bad
civ

Jay you didn't rate me and dunya.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:16 pm Lunalee
Matahari
Neverwhere

bad
civ
bad

linki:

bad
civ
civ

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:20 pm Spacedaisy
speedchuck

bad
civ

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:26 pm I know GTH is just gut but Dragon D. Luffy is there anything specific about daisy that bothers you?

Not really. I liked her in Day 0. Then kind of stopped thinking about her. Didn't like her Mac vote too much. She has been kind of a blur since then. I guess OMGUS turned the meter a little into the scum side.

I can make an excel by tomorrow if nobody can.

[mention]Long Con[/mention] started doing his but stopped, I think I wanna wait for him?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:45 pm We have like what? 2/3 bad left?

The consensus suspects are Luna, Niju, Eloh, Leetic and Neverwhere. 3 out of them have like less than 10 posts and no participation whatsoever. Luna dropped off the face of the earth a while back, and she wasn't exactly a paragon of activity and contribution prior to that. Eloh is faring a bit betting than them, but nothing impressive.

Do we believe that the remaining baddies are amongst these 5? It'd be something.

At least one is very likely. Two is possible but there could be a deepwolf.

I think we just formed a very strong towncore in this game. That's how we lynched Mac Day 1. That's how LC knew who to target on N1. It will take some pretty big feat in deepwolfness for the civs to lose this imo.

The issue with Speedchuck is... what was that stuff with Jack anyway? It looked like a failed attempt by Jack to look town, using a role that doesn't quite confirm itself because it's a shady role on its own.

Would there be an advantage in using it on a teammate instead of a townie? I guess the downside would be no abilities to steal, but the teammate could try to confirm Jack the same way. Could this be an elaborate gambit from Jack to make Speed look good?

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:03 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:41 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:19 pm yesterday was chaotic, imo, and tbqh, I did not totally read everything. I know that's not good civ behavior, but I'm not sorry. So, Nova, can you tell me why you went against the crowd and voted leetic?
I wanted to save Jack from the lynch

Spoiler: show

This is how a meme is born.

I dunno I just had a strong civ feel at the start, and every once in a while I get glimpses of it too. Like nova is really trying to figure stuff out.

I do think he's laying a bit low tho. Normally I expect nova to be hard tunneling on someone. It's his thing, he can't help it.

Just don't particularly feel like going after him I guess.

Like, even nova's refusal to lynch Mac, while questionable, it's fairly believable for a civ. He came in, saw a suspicious wagon and got paranoid. I do that all the time myself.

Njinju looked the worst out of those 4 I listed as suspicious in the Mac lynch. Followed by Daisy, then nova, then juliets, I think.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:17 pm Spacedaisy had some real emotions in her responses to Jack. Not teammate stuff. But real real frustration and passion. Likewise, elochin's eod1 outburst and anger oozed sincerity and while I try to say it's nai, I just can't see bad eloh drawing that much attention to herself when she knows exactly what the flip was gonna bring. She would have bitched about it in btsc maybe. She's like won the most mafia games on this site. Girl knows how to be mafia. And that just doesn't feel right for me. Coupled with the fact Jack used her for his stolen role cop check, I'm not buying they were bad together.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:21 pm I also feel speedchuck would have hopped on the bus train rather than try to be the one talking with Jack while we all had our pitchforks out ready to spike him.

There is only one solution.

Let's join the low poster lynch hype train.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:31 pm You might be sarcastic DDL but I am not opposed to that for the first time in my mafia life

My low posters would include Kites and Lunalee.

Kites
Lunalee
Niju
Neverwhere
ReyWas

I hope kites can engage us more. Just knowing his thoughts helps us figure him out like I've managed to do with Matahari (I think)

I'm with Jay here, the blooper vote was atrocious and it must be punished.

Matahari wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:41 pm It used to be assumed that a no show player who wasn’t modkilled, was probably a mafioso, and the host was trying to get a replacement. Is this still likely, or not so much?

Pretty sure Epi is looking for a replacement.

Getting one is a different story though.

Modkills are extremely rare though. I've seen people get replaced on Day 10 and no modkills.

Alright folks

When I told you we were lynching low posters.

That wasn't a suggestion.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:02 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:00 pm Alright folks

When I told you we were lynching low posters.

That wasn't a suggestion.
is this a hard claim?

Yes.

Those were the 5 lowest posters the moment I sent the ability.

I'm gonna catch up and decide who to vote for and reply dunya's question tomorrow.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:18 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:08 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:58 pm Neverwhere just genuinely looks too busy to be in this game. But looking back at her posts, she seems to be trying with each checkin instead of just making excuses. Also she's congratulated each scum lynch. I really want to town-read Neverwhere.
I reread the lowposters earlier today, and I came away thinking that neverwhere seemed ok too. I did not get the best feeling from Niju. I also tend to suspect Rey is bad every time he doesn’t show up. That’s an old school bias that I haven’t been able to shake, but I also would hate to lynch someone who is a no show. He’s not exactly doing any harm so I’m not sure whether he’s worth thinking about.
Yeah, looking at niju I kinda agree with you.
She was here for the mac lynch, and voted nutella. The reason was based on what the rest of the thread was doing, instead of a personal choice.

She also wasn't keeping up with the Jack suspicion and asked "people are voting Jack?" I'm assuming that means she wasn't a fan of the Jack lynch either.

reywaS should be mod-killed for inactivity or replaced. I'm not okay with lynching someone with zero posts, and I don't like that DDL thought we would be open to lynching someone with zero posts.

I figured you maybe wouldn't but if I tried to predict what you would do I would be feeling from my objective criterium which was "5 lowest posters".

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:12 pm I need to sleep, it's past 2 am and I have work tomorrow again. Keep the discussion going folks. Don't limit yourselves to the poll. Ask yourselves WHY Ddl would narrow the poll down today. What are his motives for doing so? And have fun!

- Look at the GTH we just did. It's probably a low poster.
- Getting the low posters to post.
- Getting people to talk about them.
- Removing myself from the poll for a while.
- Confirming my role, which historically is a civ one.
- Knocking mafia out of their confort zone. Mafia hates randomness.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:47 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:24 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:06 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:08 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:58 pm Neverwhere just genuinely looks too busy to be in this game. But looking back at her posts, she seems to be trying with each checkin instead of just making excuses. Also she's congratulated each scum lynch. I really want to town-read Neverwhere.
I reread the lowposters earlier today, and I came away thinking that neverwhere seemed ok too. I did not get the best feeling from Niju. I also tend to suspect Rey is bad every time he doesn’t show up. That’s an old school bias that I haven’t been able to shake, but I also would hate to lynch someone who is a no show. He’s not exactly doing any harm so I’m not sure whether he’s worth thinking about.
Can you explain the old school bias? Why does rey have to be bad over leetic for example?
He doesn’t. They could both/neither be bad. The os bias is that anyone who is a no show, or early disappearance, and doesn’t get replaced, is probably bad. This is how it would go: I would say “ I think the missing X should be lynched today since we aren’t sure about anyone else. Everyone says “no that’s awful. We can’t do that” finally X gets replaced. Two days later, everyone lynches him. Most times he was bad, but not always.

That, plus I recall Rey saying he hated being mafia. That has probably changed too.

Juliet’s might remember a game at RevMaf, where a guy named spaghetti (I think), never showed up after the first day or two. At end game, he effin won as a mafia.

I will shake this bias eventually.
Oh my gosh yes I remember that!

I have seen it happen on this site too and it is SOO annoying.

I have to say I agree with dunya about DDL. I'm not convinced it was a townie thing to do to restrict the poll to inactive. I think we were doing pretty damn well with an unrestricted poll. (LC probably doesn't like that vulgarity, lol). If enough people agreed that we should lynch an inactive we would have lynched one.

Sorry I have a role PM that says I can revoke your democracy when I want to.

Ok so

Leetic posts sucks he pretty much only cares about saving his ass. He made his first non-OMGUS post this night and it's something other people already said about niju. Kind of bordering on "too bad to be bad" though, like I wonder if mafia would try harder to appear decent.

Nerverwhere is neutral her few game relevant posts are just promises of activity. Meh.

Niju is similar to never except for that godawful Mac vote. Would lynch just because of that. Maybe.

Luna looked fishy early but she made a post against Jack that looked genuine. Voted Mac too. Unlikely mafia.

Someone vig/modkill reywas plz.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:40 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:43 am - Confirming my role, which historically is a civ one.
Citation needed.

Dont remember seeing a bad version of it.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:32 pm Jay, I’m not sure I buythat this is a civ move on DDL’s part. But I don’t see why he would claim it so willingly as a baddie either.

Someone said mafia hate randomness, I don’t recall who it was, but I completely disagree with that idea. Methodical discussion and eliminating people as suspects is what gets civs the win, so random is the opposite of good for civs generally speaking.

I will say it is a risk as a baddie to make a smaller pool unless you are certain that your team won’t be in it.

He said it was the lowest four posters at the time he used the power. Did Luna have less posts than kites though?

I disagree. Generally abilities hitting people at random results in revealed baddies and vigged baddies, which means much more for the baddies than the civs. I've lost count of how many games I hosted where I gave the mafia the ability to randomize someone's actions and it ended up backfiring on them. While in terms of thread, a game where town is constantly attacking different people and not following predictable patterns means more things for mafia to react to. Mafia likes a game that follows a smooth lynch order which they can control.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:20 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:57 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:40 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:43 am - Confirming my role, which historically is a civ one.
Citation needed.
Dont remember seeing a bad version of it.
Do you remember seeing a good version?

I remember seeing versions of it, and if my memory doesn't betray me they were good.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:14 pm Any reason you chose reywaS over Elohcin?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:20 pm Those were the 5 lowest posters the moment I sent the ability.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:24 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:22 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:20 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:57 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:40 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:43 am - Confirming my role, which historically is a civ one.
Citation needed.
Dont remember seeing a bad version of it.
Do you remember seeing a good version?
I remember seeing versions of it, and if my memory doesn't betray me they were good.
Sure, sure.

That's not a citation though.

Sorry, teacher. Please do not let me fail this module.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:26 pm Dragon D. Luffy Did you have a choice in who would be on the poll, or was the choice literally "put 5 lowest posters on or do not use this role"

I did have a choice.

I decided to make an objective, detatched one, that isn't clouded by my own (terrible) scumhunting skills.

I want to lynch low posters. Not sure which ones. Have wanted since Night 1, actually, but LC's little game poured water into my beer.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:26 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:21 pm I disagree. Generally abilities hitting people at random results in revealed baddies and vigged baddies, which means much more for the baddies than the civs. I've lost count of how many games I hosted where I gave the mafia the ability to randomize someone's actions and it ended up backfiring on them. While in terms of thread, a game where town is constantly attacking different people and not following predictable patterns means more things for mafia to react to. Mafia likes a game that follows a smooth lynch order which they can control.
Is there anything random about what you've done?

I bet the mafia thought it was random.

I got a role and thought "what is the most optimal use I can make out of it"

This was the answer.

Imo he ability gets stronger the earlier I use it.

[VOTE: Niju] aubergine

Yeah she looks the worst unless someone can give me a better reason for the others.

Sorry, Blooper.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:23 pm I just had myself do a sort of POE/GTH hybrid where I forced myself to pick six top suspects period without concern for tinfoils or cases on the rest:

DDL
Elohcin
leetic
Lunalee
speedchuck
Neverwhere

No particular order.

dunya
Kites
leetic
Neverwhere
Spacedaisy
speedchuck

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:14 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:32 pm Lunalee experience at BTSC Night A: Wonderful. Juliets can choose to share Luna gold indeed, fine. Leetic less gold than Luna.
yikes - I have no idea what you want me to share. Also, I'm missing what leetic has to do with this.

speed try again to tell me what I should share.

linki DDL: looks like you think Luna is good?

I think her interactions with Macjack were civ-like.

Hmm good point on Daisy vs. Jack being hard to fake.

dunya
Kites
leetic
Matahari
Neverwhere
speedchuck

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:26 am Splitting time between two games now, so forgive my slowed pace here. I note that many of us seem to be gravitating toward a consistent POE set. So we should talk about the people not in that set.

For the general public: if you had to name one or two players who most perturb you as tinfoil suspects, who would they be?

dunya
Eloh

I'm pretty sure I decided at some point Eloh looked legit but I'm not sure if I trust my own judgement.

As for dunya I'm kind of tiptoeing around her because I've been wrong on her recently but man I just don't have huge reasons to read her as civ and most of the time I do.

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:34 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:24 pm As for dunya I'm kind of tiptoeing around her because I've been wrong on her recently but man I just don't have huge reasons to read her as civ and most of the time I do.
Dunya has made some conflicting comments about night 2, and I’m curious about her question for you, when she asked if you thought Nova was pocketing you. What does pocketing mean? (Can’t find it on mafiascum)

Pocketing = mafioso trying to make friends with a townie

I didn't have an opinion about it earlier and I obviously don't have one now.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:33 pm i mean, i appreciate all the votes of confidence (and tinfoil), but it isn't helping me die in this game.

Civ me doesn't quite want to lynch you right now and mafia me probably wouldn't feel like killing you now.

I'm sorry.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:21 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:20 pm Hmm good point on Daisy vs. Jack being hard to fake.

dunya
Kites
leetic
Matahari
Neverwhere
speedchuck
Why not me?

You look authentic.

Like, I know that's a trap most of the time but what can I do, I don't have big reasons to want to tinfoil you.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:55 am also, something i remembered is that DDL and leetic were teammates in world flags. i'll re-read their handling of each other there when time permits.

I wouldn't remember that if you didn't tell me. I was lynched on D1.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:33 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:00 am Luna looked fishy early but she made a post against Jack that looked genuine. Voted Mac too. Unlikely mafia.
do you remember which post looked genuine against jack? you give her credit for voting mac, but she was the last vote on mac. does that mean anything to you?

This post.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:06 pm I wanna vote Luna but I’m secretly a huge softy and feel bad about her getting lynched a lot D1.
This makes me cringe. It reads like you know I'm town, and feel bad joining in on the lynch.

I just like it. It's real shade on Jack, and probably a good argument.

As for the Mac thing, looking again I don't particularly like her post interaction with Mac. I guess back to neutral on that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:29 pm Matahari and Kites entered this phase as players on the fringe -- possible POE candidates but not definitely. Where do people stand on them now? If they can be resolved, the suspect pool becomes considerably clearer.

I think Matahari looks quite genuine in her suspicion of dunya.

Kites's big vote tracker thing is a good shiny object, but not something that moves me (and he granted that much himself to his credit). I do still think he looks generally authentic though.

Kites is still neutral because that kind of effort is perfectly reasonable for a scum to make. I've done it as scum myself.

I like Mata's tone. She's tunneling on dunya for reasonable things.

[VOTE: Dunya] aubergine

Let's see what happens when I follow it. I'm getting the feeling leetic is too easy and I don't wanna lynch Luna. Lynching dunya is so crazy it could work.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:47 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:42 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:29 pm Matahari and Kites entered this phase as players on the fringe -- possible POE candidates but not definitely. Where do people stand on them now? If they can be resolved, the suspect pool becomes considerably clearer.

I think Matahari looks quite genuine in her suspicion of dunya.

Kites's big vote tracker thing is a good shiny object, but not something that moves me (and he granted that much himself to his credit). I do still think he looks generally authentic though.
Kites is still neutral because that kind of effort is perfectly reasonable for a scum to make. I've done it as scum myself.

I like Mata's tone. She's tunneling on dunya for reasonable things.

[VOTE: Dunya] aubergine

Let's see what happens when I follow it. I'm getting the feeling leetic is too easy and I don't wanna lynch Luna. Lynching dunya is so crazy it could work.
So DDL, do you have any other behavior to cite in the case against dunya that Mata did not bring up? Any of your own observations?

Eh not really just the nagging feeling from all game that I'm not really seeing civ dunya.

Which may or may not be clouded by the fact she has real life reasons to post less and stuff.

Let's just say I wanna do something different this time, instead of following the list of low posters like a checklist. Leetic is scummy all right but he's scummy to the point that I doubt a baddie would make some of those posts. I'm suspecting deepwolves and dunya is a strong candidate for deepwolfness.

Heck, with my luck, the very fact I'm not voting for leetic will ensure he's flips bad. So that's win/win.

I'll be honest Im kind of shoehorning my performance in this game because I have a bunch of stuff to do this week and I foolishly signed up for another game.

I guess acting randomly is easier than making a deep analysis, and based on my experience, about as likely to work.

Kites wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:02 pm not gonna join the leetic lynch
i was okay with niju lynch but i had my doubts about it
this is similar case
i think leetic is genuinely too busy to play, and had the other more interesting game going on (so not mafia here) he would rather concentrate on

it just feels too easy

Not very useful now, but I just wanted to add: someone being genuinely too busy to play is not alignment indicative. Actually that's the problem with reading low posters. Someone can make the most honest and heatfelt post about how they are mega busy even if they are bad.

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