The Syndicate

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 1:34 am
Luxurious wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:12 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 4:47 pm I'm at work right now and won't be able to come through with my thoughts on the recent pages for until a few hours. Just one thing though, this wagon on me is bad and reeks of an attempt to save Soneji. RDW looks even more bad in my eyes.
How do you feel now thar Soneji flipped town
I am confused. My impression was that I was a counter wagon to save Soneji but seeing how both leading wagons are town, it makes me think that there were more town in my wagon than on Soneji's wagon as it doesn't make sense for scum to get another wagon going when they can just hop on the leading wagon which was a mislynch.

There are 3 mafias in this game.

Both wagons had more town than mafia.

The kind of large scale manipulation you describe will only become possible near the end game, after we lynch a lot of townies. Right now the most mafia can do is try to convince people to vote for townies.

It's still not clear whether you want to lynch me or not.

You keep voting for me, but every time some player says you wanna lynch me, you reply "lol no I don't".

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 9:08 pm DDL
But DDL did vote for Soneji later on. Epi could have died to make him look well?!?! Soneji not flipping scum when DDL has played with him a lot makes me question how well DDL can read him.

I can't.

/thread

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 1:41 am rip mp7

i'm gonna replace out sorry, the only reason i joined was to play with him

Jay is bad.

Discuss.

The post above was blunt on purpose.

Truth is that last game I had a strong feeling Jay was civ and this time the feeling is missing.

He's doing stuff but I'm not quite feeling his strong presence in the thread as I normally should. He's not at the driving wheel.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

I guess the biggest deterrent to this is the Ultra relation but eh, that stuff could be faked.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:08 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:45 am The post above was blunt on purpose.

Truth is that last game I had a strong feeling Jay was civ and this time the feeling is missing.

He's doing stuff but I'm not quite feeling his strong presence in the thread as I normally should. He's not at the driving wheel.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

I guess the biggest deterrent to this is the Ultra relation but eh, that stuff could be faked.
Talk to me about it being fake

I dunno man, haven't thought much about it. I guess it could just be straight up bussing.

That's the thing, I don't wanna think much about it, because the case is based on intuition, and trying to ISO Jay's posts to justify it will cause confirmation bias.

What I wanna know if I'm the only one currently having that intuition, or if there are other people who are not so sure about Jay either. So I put the idea on the table.

Frankly I think the chance of lynching someone like Jay today is quite low, but I want to throw shit onto the fan first.

It does seem this game activity has slowed down to a crawl.

We have 7 wagons with one vote each.

Ew.

Jay is still quite active so far though he promised lower acvitity today. That's fine.

I'm in and out of this game as I take breaks so I don't get burn out. Yesterday I did that, today I'm feeling more like playing.

Mac was super active on Day 2 then Epi flipped civ now he deflated like a balloon.

Gemma apparently only came here for MP and doesn't wanna play with us if he's not around.

Lux, nova and Dragomir are posting a lot.

Owner seems to be doing a system similar to mine.

RDW is MIA. Speed is gone after the trap thing.

Jessie made a nice catch up but is now MIA again.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:17 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:13 am
Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:08 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:45 am The post above was blunt on purpose.

Truth is that last game I had a strong feeling Jay was civ and this time the feeling is missing.

He's doing stuff but I'm not quite feeling his strong presence in the thread as I normally should. He's not at the driving wheel.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

I guess the biggest deterrent to this is the Ultra relation but eh, that stuff could be faked.
Talk to me about it being fake
I dunno man, haven't thought much about it. I guess it could just be straight up bussing.

That's the thing, I don't wanna think much about it, because the case is based on intuition, and trying to ISO Jay's posts to justify it will cause confirmation bias.

What I wanna know if I'm the only one currently having that intuition, or if there are other people who are not so sure about Jay either. So I put the idea on the table.

Frankly I think the chance of lynching someone like Jay today is quite low, but I want to throw shit onto the fan first.
Hmmm.

Well as we’ve discussed before I still like Think he’s civ. If he’s not civ he plays really well as scum because he’s put in a lot of work comparatively to some of the other people itg.

According to Jay himself there is a celiling to how much work he can fake as scum, but I don't think he has hit that ceiling yet.

I'm not specifically judging him for activity though. I'm just not feeling he has his head into figuring out this game the way he does in most games I see him as a civ. Civ Jay is more... annoying, to use a negative term (sorry). He's around, changing his mind all the time and making people unconfortable. Here I barely remember what he has done, it's like Mac and Epi and Jack have been the activity commanders.

There was a game where I caught Jay letting someone else (Sloonei) be the town leader and he was bad. Jay's activity in that game was a step lower than this one, though, I think.

And yes, i'm aware he made GTH and Trustfall exercises, but those rank very close to NAI in terms of judging activity. It's very easy for scum to call people to do that, especially considering I haven't seen him use those results that much. On the other hand, what is hard to do as scum is start cases, push wagons, prod people. Maybe he's doing that but... I'm not convinced. My instincts are saying something is wrong.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:27 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:22 am
Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:17 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:13 am
Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:08 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:45 am The post above was blunt on purpose.

Truth is that last game I had a strong feeling Jay was civ and this time the feeling is missing.

He's doing stuff but I'm not quite feeling his strong presence in the thread as I normally should. He's not at the driving wheel.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

I guess the biggest deterrent to this is the Ultra relation but eh, that stuff could be faked.
Talk to me about it being fake
I dunno man, haven't thought much about it. I guess it could just be straight up bussing.

That's the thing, I don't wanna think much about it, because the case is based on intuition, and trying to ISO Jay's posts to justify it will cause confirmation bias.

What I wanna know if I'm the only one currently having that intuition, or if there are other people who are not so sure about Jay either. So I put the idea on the table.

Frankly I think the chance of lynching someone like Jay today is quite low, but I want to throw shit onto the fan first.
Hmmm.

Well as we’ve discussed before I still like Think he’s civ. If he’s not civ he plays really well as scum because he’s put in a lot of work comparatively to some of the other people itg.
According to Jay himself there is a celiling to how much work he can fake as scum, but I don't think he has hit that ceiling yet.

I'm not specifically judging him for activity though. I'm just not feeling he has his head into figuring out this game the way he does in most games I see him as a civ. Civ Jay is more... annoying, to use a negative term (sorry). He's around, changing his mind all the time and making people unconfortable. Here I barely remember what he has done, it's like Mac and Epi and Jack have been the activity commanders.

There was a game where I caught Jay letting someone else (Sloonei) be the town leader and he was bad. Jay's activity in that game was a step lower than this one, though, I think.
That doesnt really sound like something I can fully comment on as this is my first time playing with him. I kinda think he’d have reached the ceiling with trustfalls and gth reads though

If there’s more he can fake I’m not sure what it’d be

Jay has a theory that it's almost impossible for a baddie to completely explode a thread, to the point the entire thread becomes about him. He only recognizes two exceptions to it: MP and dunya, one time each. Jay himself has never broken that threshold as bad. Every time he did, he was a civ.

I don't think he is breaking that threshold here either. He's not even the #1 poster, and I wouldn't say the #1 poster (you) are really breaking it either. We are talking about over 100 posts each 24 hours, or something like that.

But this rule doesn't exist to call when someone is bad. It exists to say when someone is cleared. What I'm arguing is that Jay's activity does not clear him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:32 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:22 am According to Jay himself there is a celiling to how much work he can fake as scum, but I don't think he has hit that ceiling yet.

I'm not specifically judging him for activity though. I'm just not feeling he has his head into figuring out this game the way he does in most games I see him as a civ. Civ Jay is more... annoying, to use a negative term (sorry). He's around, changing his mind all the time and making people unconfortable. Here I barely remember what he has done, it's like Mac and Epi and Jack have been the activity commanders.

There was a game where I caught Jay letting someone else (Sloonei) be the town leader and he was bad. Jay's activity in that game was a step lower than this one, though, I think.
Being an annoying bastard demands that I am here. The constancy you expect is a product of availability, which at present just does not exist. I cannot patrol the thread all day like I often would, and that means my posture in the game has to adapt to compensate. The role I play for the civilians is dependent upon the circumstances I am faced with. Consider me less the facilitator and more the analyst.

Would you say you were also having trouble being that active in Steely Dan?

Because you weren't quite exploding the thread in Steely Dan either, but I could feel your civiness in my bones.

Probably same.

Dragomir is giving me "too scummy to be scum" vibes all the way. He's saying a lot of disagreeable stuff, but that reeks as lack of experience combined to hubris.

Gemma is whatever.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:37 am If his activity doesnt clear him, that means it indicates him, as you’ve said. I guess that’s a theory and why you would vote there for the time being? It’s kinda silly though which I think you’ve kinda acknowledged?

Also how the fuck am I the number 1 poster I didnt even get my 900 posts in 1 day phase goal

It's a low activity game, not much anyone can do. Civs or baddies alike would have a hard time exploding a thread, unless they didn't mind having half ot it be them talking to themselves.

What that means is that super active people are not immediately cleared for being super active.

Dragomir is 16.

He can't have been playing this game for long.

RDW had a string of posts in Day 2 that felt like legit game solving with the little time he had.

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 12:20 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 12:17 pm I agree I like the Soneji voters more than the Drago voters. Hmm...
stop vaguebooking and accuse me directly

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 12:29 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 11:16 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 10:24 am I'm trying to figure out where Dragomir's head is at but its a blur. He was tunneling on me. Then he decided he didn't care anymore and only about Owner. The he made that horrible "today is a new day" post to explain it. Then he names three people and says he doesn't care who is lynched as long as it's one of the three. Then he ignores Owner's ability post and keeps tunneling on her. Then someone calls him out on that and he goes back to tunneling me.

It's a lot of "don't cares", and very little sign that he is actually trying to look at multiple people and solve the game. He pick a few lucky ones to tunnel and is trying to skate by the game on those tunnels. It doesn't feel town at all.
I agree with all of this
this convo

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 12:33 pm Are you always so fickle in your reads?

First is suspecting me for what he saw as cowardly shading on him. Second post seems like he's having beef on Jack for his sheeping on me. Third post feels like he's now giving me beef for being flickle, which he then reassesses after I explain him that I always play like that.

It's not much, but it's gameplay.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:45 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:43 am RDW had a string of posts in Day 2 that felt like legit game solving with the little time he had.
I thought that too yeah

Re: activity
I think it depends on the player mostly but fwiw I’m always a top poster whether scum or town. Maybe I’ll read fire emblem Later

That game is fantastic. You should if you have time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:42 pm Straw poll:

Who here believes any player in the poll should be given a pass or extension on the basis of requesting replacement?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:54 am Dragon D. Luffy, tell me about Gemma.

I dunno man, she has been kind of a big neutral to me all game. I really dislike any case based on "she posted a lot and didn't immediately give reads" because I feel like we have a bad habit of lynching people for having weird playstyles. But I don't have any particular reason to think she's a civ either.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:30 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:40 am Dragomir is 16.

He can't have been playing this game for long.
I've played it for almost 2 years now.

Wow.

I was 13 wheb I played my first rl mafia game but I really sucked at it. You're doing well.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 7:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 7:37 pm Jay is Edison and I am Tesla.
I’m trying to remember the details of their feud but it’s not coming to me.

Didnt edison steal his work.

No i dont know what wikipedia is nor do i have time to google it

Edison is scum.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

Still can't rationalize very well but I wanna lynch him even more today.

The Gemma wagon was garbage from the start of the game and it kept being garbage in Day 3 too.

I guess I could have defended her more but I wasn't super convinced she was a civ. But the reasons to think she was bad ranged from "forced" to "meh".

Jay is the second highest poster and he's spamming interaction posts. He's not gonna convince me has no time to play like a civ. He's not playing like a civ because he's not one. He's just doing coursework while pursuing easy lynches.

Dragomir is a living mass of hubris and boldness. I don't want to believe he's bad because it's day 4 and by this point some teammate would have already told him to STFU.

He's not playing like someone who wants to look civ, and I think he literally believes the stuff he's saying.

Also I'm 5 pages behind fyi. Still need to catch up but it's better to ignite the gasoline sooner than later.

Steely Dan taught me I need to trust me instincts a little more.

Join me in the Successful Jay Lynch Hype Train. If the name doesn't convince you, we have cookies.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 8:16 pm I think Dragomir is TWTBAW

too wolfy to be a wolf. I will use the acronym again probably

OMG you people have an acronym?

Here I use Too Scummy to be Scum

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 8:23 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 8:13 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 8:10 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 7:34 pm Nova targeted RDW last night.

---I'm kind of pissed; you guys lynched the Night 3 town doctor.
Are you trying to imply that Gemma being town is something we should have known? Because it seems like you're trying to say that we shouldn't have done that.
You came in today with a “HA I WAS RIGHT” type of response to Gemma’s flip. You did know she was town. You argued against her lynch last day phase.

Why are you, specifically, taking issue with this
But I didn't know she was town. I just thought she might be a mislynch that's all. It wasn't a town read but a hunch I got that made me doubt her lynch.

I have an issue with this because if she's trying to get mad at the fact that we lynched a townie even though the only way one could deduce she was town was based on reads and all reads differ, then that implies TMI imo. It's like she was trying to say that town made a stupid decision in lynching Gemma and shouldn't have done it get me?

I was just trying to gloat, don't see me getting mad.

Town made a stupid decision in lynching Gemma and shouldn't have done that.

It's blame time. Join the Inquisition.

DDL's 2019 Goal

Develop a functioning and reliable Jaydar.

This game is Proof of Concept.

Please tell me the remaining 4 pages I have to read are not just people trying to make Dragomir act reasonably and failing to do so.

Because it's making this catch-up boring.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 9:08 pm That would mean that Ultra just decided to bus his own buddy D1 and that lacks all possible logic. Like, I get bussing D4, D5 even D3. But D1? The person you want to fake a case on and get contribution on for D1 is your own buddy? Also, Ultra being new to the forum and bussing doesn't make any sense. The only ppl he knows in this game are Nova and me. Newbies bussing their buddies at D1 just doesn't make any sense. They don't do that.

I don't understand how you can just read their interaction and think it could be bussing.

You sweet summer child.

And he's not a newbie, he's a Mafia Championship competitor.

Mac feels civ but I'm not super good at reading him.

Speedchucks sucks and is my second option.

RDW is an option I want to lynch as much as I wanted to lynch Gemma yesterday. As in, not that much. It's bait. Looking at people who are falling too easily for it.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 2:33 pm Hey DDL
Thought experiment:
Who is JJJ’s team should he be scum?

Haven't paid much attention to team analysis tbh.

Maybe two of Speed/nutella/MP/RDW

Could see Jessie too because JJJ is more than capable of bussing.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 2:36 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 2:35 pm Mac feels civ but I'm not super good at reading him.

Speedchucks sucks and is my second option.

RDW is an option I want to lynch as much as I wanted to lynch Gemma yesterday. As in, not that much. It's bait. Looking at people who are falling too easily for it.
Opinions on Nutella

Has done absolutely nothing to impress me so far. Though I'm still on p42.

That said I'm godawful at reading nutella. Will take a while to form anything consistent on her.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 2:36 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 2:10 pm Jay is the second highest poster and he's spamming interaction posts. He's not gonna convince me has no time to play like a civ. He's not playing like a civ because he's not one. He's just doing coursework while pursuing easy lynches.
Now that finals are over and as a result I do have some time, I am spending that time doing the work I wanted to do in Steely Dan but could not because of time. I didn't get to the deep analytics until it was too late, particularly re: dunya, and I'm not doing that again. I don't give a shit if you feel inclined to call my work "spam". It's necessary, and I fully expect to lose the game if I don't do all of it.

Your suspicions remind me of something DDL. Stand by.

Congrats on the work. Regardlessly if you are civ or bad. I mean it.

But I'm not gonna let you use it as a shield.

You are disconnected from this game, and as long as I feel you are disconnected from this game I'll keep pushing you.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:21 am At this point I'd expect to be drowing in a sea of Jay. To have so much Jay around me I could barely breathe. But I can breathe just fine. Jay is talking, but he is not seizing control. He is engaging, but not in a way that makes me feel like he is trying to produce perfect reads on everyone on day 1, to make everyone interact with each other, to move the game forward.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 2:52 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 2:41 pm Congrats on the work. Regardlessly if you are civ or bad. I mean it.

But I'm not gonna let you use it as a shield.

You are disconnected from this game, and as long as I feel you are disconnected from this game I'll keep pushing you.
I think you have an impression of me born of the Mountain game that you haven't quite let go of. In that game my activity slacked, and I was forced into strategically disagreeable (and often overtly angry) moves because it was sorely imbalanced. It just so happens that game was also during one of my finals weeks. What I was reminded of before was Fire Emblem, which was my last mislynch to my memory. You were a part of that due in large part to comparisons to Mountains, at least some of which are quite familiar here:

I'm not suffocating on Jay / He is not ruling the town | Comparison to Mountains | Emotion

The point here is that time constraints can occur at any time and in any game, and that they have a real impact upon how a person plays including as a civilian. It's especially critical for me, because the way I often play demands a ton of my time. If I have to be away from the site frequently, my entire approach has to shift or else I am not going to be able to make the same kind of difference. I think you need to update your definitions.

Oh, I do need to update my definitions.

But I think that's more of a need of fine tuning than a harsh one.

I have some degree of instinctive ability to read you. I know I do, because the number of times I successfully read you as a civ is numerous. The problem is that I just haven't played many games with you as a baddie. Mountain might be the only one, and if there are more, I likely got lynched/killed early in them because I don't remember. I need more data.

But data is coming. I see that in Fire Emblem I mainly suspected you for tunneling. Well, data updated, you may or may not tunnel. You aren't really tunneling here, just being consistent. So that's a big NAI.

Something about you is giving me the heebie jeebies. Ain't gonna let go of that so soon.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 3:03 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 2:35 pm Speedchucks sucks and is my second option.
tellmemore.gif

The last remarkable thing he did in this game was the trap thing.

He feel like a part-time outsourced assistant free-lancer who takes requests from an App and has no WiFi.

The next time someone defends themselves/someone else by saying they voted for scum on Day 1 I'm CFD'ing them.

Because I recently played a game where we gave 5 different people towncred for that and one of them was mafia. They won.

Syndicate has been the stage of some of the most epic feats of bussing of the 21th Century.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 3:24 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 3:17 pm The next time someone defends themselves/someone else by saying they voted for scum on Day 1 I'm CFD'ing them.

Because I recently played a game where we gave 5 different people towncred for that and one of them was mafia. They won.

Syndicate has been the stage of some of the most epic feats of bussing of the 21th Century.
I built the damned case from ground up, using something that nobody else noticed. Saying that I did nothing other than trap you this game is intellectually dishonest.

I'm not going to say I don't bus. I bus. I've noted earlier that the Syndicate is bus-happy. But that doesn't mean you can't take things into account.

This conversation:
DDL: Speed did nothing this game.
Speed: I built the one case that has lynched scum.
DDL: Try and defend yourself with things that you've done and I'll CFD you. Scum can lynch teammates!

Ok fine, I promise I'll look at Day 1 before saying more. Was under the impression nova did 90% of the work.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 4:32 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 2:28 pm Please tell me the remaining 4 pages I have to read are not just people trying to make Dragomir act reasonably and failing to do so.

Because it's making this catch-up boring.
The stuff that you guys find me to be doing as unreasonable is not as unreasonable as you may think.

I understand that gloating may be TMI and a bad thing and not giving town reads is also a bad thing but that's just part of my personality mate. I love being right and it hurts when I'm wrong. Basically why I keep playing mafia as I want to have correct reads and if they're wrong I'll use them as motivation.

Like come on, you guys can't be telling me you don't like rubbing it in once in a while.

Protip: be right first. Then you gloat.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 12:10 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 10:58 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 10:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 10:41 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 9:37 pm @nutella How tf did DDL top your townlist?
I thought he was the most genuine sounding player, next to nova, before I subbed in. Looks to me like he is actively trying to hunt and I believe I even mindmelded with him on a couple things, don't remember what though
Hard disagree with this read. First of all, DDL ain't actively trying to hunt shit. Second of all, I've done more hunting than he has and you ain't town reading me. I'll elaborate more if you want in the morning when I wake up.
For what it's worth DDL and I have somewhat similar approaches to the game so I probably have a different reaction to his play so far than you (idk if you've played with him before?) and imo he looks good here. I don't care if you think you're hunting more, it looks fake whereas his reads look organic.
I dont think your approach has been that similar

Me neither.

I also suspect pocketing.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 12:41 pm Does anyone else have familiarity with the "chainsaw defense" concept, i.e. have they seen the accusation hurled before in other games? A little clarity on the precise context and meaning of the thing would be super.

No I've just seen the mafiawiki make a big deal about it so I keep it on the back of my head in case it one day becomes useful.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 3:07 pm My first instinct is that DDL is genuine in his suspicion of me. As I just noted, we've been in a similar place before, and I can understand if he feels the need to stand as some resistance to my authority over the game.

Nah man.

I love your authority. It's good for town.

The issue is that you are not showing it in this game.

Page 46.

Dragomir is town and there are few people I wouldn't vote to protect him.

Even though he is currently the 4th biggest threat to town's continued existance.

(The other 3 being the mafiosos)

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 4:32 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 2:28 pm Please tell me the remaining 4 pages I have to read are not just people trying to make Dragomir act reasonably and failing to do so.

Because it's making this catch-up boring.
The stuff that you guys find me to be doing as unreasonable is not as unreasonable as you may think.

I understand that gloating may be TMI and a bad thing and not giving town reads is also a bad thing but that's just part of my personality mate. I love being right and it hurts when I'm wrong. Basically why I keep playing mafia as I want to have correct reads and if they're wrong I'll use them as motivation.

Like come on, you guys can't be telling me you don't like rubbing it in once in a while.

I like winning more than I like being right.

Though you are right I do like being right.

Now I give you a chance to reedem yourself. Lynch Jay.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 4:45 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 4:37 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 4:23 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 1:17 pm
I think if Dragomir is right about Owner it’s a bus through and through
Explain.
If owner is scum you definitely bussed. There’s not really a reason to NOT townread Owner imo
I want Owner to be lynched now and have him flip scum, then when I flip town, you will be dumbfounded by the flip and then I will laugh.

You are ruining my intent of gloating about Jay after I catch him because the way you keep talking about it makes the idea itself feel bad.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:00 pm Like I'm basically ok with lynching rdw I guess but...

This is how the dark side usually wins.

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