The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:54 pm Oh I see I’m joining a wagon

Still going ti keep my vote there but I don’t think we should let anyone become a consensus or avoid putting pressure on as many people as possible. Spread the love around. Lol

We have an 8-way lynch tie right now.

That is a lot of spread.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:17 pm MovingPictures isn't playing as his usual self. I've been town with him in both games we've played together, so this game seems off for him.

When was your last game with him. His playstyle has had a lot of changes in the last few years.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:39 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:35 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:17 pm MovingPictures isn't playing as his usual self. I've been town with him in both games we've played together, so this game seems off for him.
When was your last game with him. His playstyle has had a lot of changes in the last few years.
So are you saying that his playstyle looks like Civ MP?

I'm not sure. I've never learned to read MP well. I just spotted a possible misconception that I've seen people make before.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:42 pmI don't like lynching no-posters on Day 1.

You're my new favorite player.

This isn't a rainbow. Needs more green and purple.

I always appreciate the discussion turning towards theory. Helps me spot the folks who are using it to blend.

(i. e. Quin)

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:03 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:01 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:23 pm 1. MP pressure voting me is a fucking joke. It's one thing for someone to pressure vote jevwho doesn't live in the same house as me, but cone on. You know I'm not even caught up to the thread, it's not like I'm lurking and hiding. It's a joke, and really easy. Don't get me wrong, it's not definitely suspicious it's just teally easy to look like he's doing something when he's not. Don't let him get away with such a soft pressure vote in the future without questioning it.
I'm pretty sure he did the same thing in a recent game and he was a civ.

Or you did it to him.

Not sure, I just recall you both voting for each other.
Yes he did this recently and it elicited a very strong suspicious response from me. Not because of the vote but because he specifically at that time said quiet daisy makes me nervous, when he knew perfectly well I hadn't had time to be in the thread. So the fact i was quiet shouldn't have been scary in any way. But his response to my very strong reaction to his post read civ to me and I moved my vote off him and didn't suspect him after that.

This is a different situation. I am not saying I suspect him. He did not say I made him nervous. I just think it was a lazy and easy vote. I don't suspect him for it, but I don't trust him either. I have no read on him yet. I jsut think in future games when he makes this move, you all should be asking him why. It will not move me for him to vote for me. So it's stupid and useless. So I can only wonder if he is doing it because of how it looks to everyone else, rather than for what he claims he is doing. Because I didn't come in here because of his vote, and I didn't post as a result of his vote either.

I'm finishing my ISO on DDL right now

I think you need to come to terms that you've married a scummy individual.

2 hours left

I just realized the reason I'm allowed to edit posts in every game is because I'm a mod. I've been doing it to edit typos and the like, because I usually do that in the other site I play in.

I'll refrain from doing it from now on, for fairness sake.

I've been doing it for quite some time without realizing it and I suddenly got worried someone might be thinking "look at this asshole abusing his mod powers" so I apologize if I accidentally gave that impression"

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:45 pm Fuck. I'm here. Sorry. This was the worst possible time for this game to start. I'm so behind; I think I left off on page 4 and it's now page 11.

You will be lynched in 15 minutes. Good luck.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:47 pm Prioritizing ISO digging into people with votes.

Oh, damn, NT still hasn't showed. Didn't even realize that. That sucks.

I'll look into Quin next.

Actually I'm wroing. You do have over an hour and I suck at tiemzones. Sorry.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:48 pm No, it's 1:15 left. According to your own 2 hours post above, DDL

Yeah this stuff is confusing.

Socky, I'm sorry if I'm wrong because you're awesome and I know you are so busy.

But I can't help but feel this ISO of yours is staged.

I could see you voting for Quin at the end of it as you wrote it. Because that's the self prervation vote you have to make.

So it's very suspicious that you come here near the end of the phase, ISO Quin, and slowly but steadly realize he has been bad all along. Seems like you don't want us to think this is just a self defense vote.

I'm not you, but if I were a civ, I'd just be blunt and say it was a self preservation vote.

I think Quin is bad.

I'm currently deciding whether I'm more suspicious of his game mechanic posts or your opportune ISO at the end.

I don't do post by post analysis anymore. I used to do it, then I lost 7 consecutive games as a civ in the Syndicate. It taught me where my strengths lie, and it's not at dissecting someone's ISO like a science project. I prefer to try to spot one little detail everybody is missing.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:10 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:07 pm I think Quin is bad.

I'm currently deciding whether I'm more suspicious of his game mechanic posts or your opportune ISO at the end.
I assume you've said elsewhere why you believe he's bad, but quickly provide why you think so if you don't mind?

What is your beef with my investigation specifically? You have now implied I'm doing this opportunistically twice. I came into the thread, saw I had a few votes which I can't say I know the reasons for, and I have limited time to make a decision, so why the fuck would I ISO someone with no votes before someone with multiple?

I do think you could be doing it as a civ.

I just think it's too much of a coincidence.

Out of all things to deduce, you decide Quin has been bad all along, after not suspecting him for the rest of the day.

Also I suspected him because he spent such a long time arguing about fake claiming it looked like blending.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:13 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:11 pm I don't do post by post analysis anymore. I used to do it, then I lost 7 consecutive games as a civ in the Syndicate. It taught me where my strengths lie, and it's not at dissecting someone's ISO like a science project. I prefer to try to spot one little detail everybody is missing.
You're not me. I determined this to be the most fruitful use of my limited time. If you have a reason to think I'm being opportunistic, state it, otherwise, frankly, you're wasting my time and I'm done engaging you on this. My life is on the line and you're him-hawing suspicion of me but not giving me anything to work with. Either get in my face or out of my way.

Sorry the post was a stream of thought I didn't explain well.

I'm just saying I'm not paying much attention to what you are saying about Quin, specifically. Because everything is subjective and honestly believing it or not is like flipping a coin.

I'm suspicious of the fact, the coincidence, of you coming here with one hour left, ISOing the guy you have to vote for, and slowly deciding he is bad. It seems artificial.

I won't keep arguing, I've already made my point., I want to see what happens in the next half hour.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:43 am
sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:10 am I know it sounds silly, but you seem to townie at the moment. Kind of like how you acted in Scrimmage mafia.

So I'm of two mind with Speed, one his post that LC pointed out was a fillerish post, however he posted it very early and was stating his view on no lynches so it was useful insight. So it could have just been a mafia member posting to look involved, but it felt like he was genuine in trying to state his view. In fact after thinking it over this makes me more suspicious of LC, I feel like he could be fishing for potential bandwagons. However, it usually takes me a few phases to get a good read on LC. Maybe by night 2 or 3 I'll have a better feeling.

Right now I'd rather lynch a player who isn't contributing then someone who is, unless we have a strong reason to suspect they're mafia, and I'm not seeing anything very obvious yet.

Also and I should've brought this up sooner, but If we have a cop and they get a red check I suggest they role claim immediately, with only 3 mafia members sacrificing the cop to get a mafia member is worth it, also other civs should take advantage of role claiming if they have useful information that will catch mafia members, AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!

@Long Con What do you think of me? And can you go a bit more in-depth on your Scum reading for Speedchuck?
I won't say I necessarily agree or disagree with it but I certainly don't like you asking the cop to claim.

I feel better after seeing you try to CFD me. It's risky as fuck.

I think i'll stay on Quin.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:20 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:30 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:23 am I see nothing wrong with the cop claiming when they've got a red check. Why wouldn't they claim? I'd also like to add in if the watcher targets a player who ends up targeting someone who dies they should also claim it. We might have lost a powerful civ role, but one civ is worth one mafia member no matter what power the civ has.
One cop is more valuable than just "one civ".

Either way, I don't want to argue this. I'm more interested in the fact you are trying to get the cop to clim early rather than later. Mafia's #1 priority should be to find the cop, assuming there is one, so this is line with what mafia would want.
Nevermind, I presume this was your beef with sig.

Why does this behavior make you think sig was bad, though? I'm not seeing that and it's mildly concerning/confusing.

Isn't it explained? Mafia wants to find the cop. I saw it as a manipulative way to get the cop to claim.

But later I decided I was kind of tinfoiling and I have mislynched Sig before for saying stuff like this, so I backed away.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:24 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:41 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:14 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:05 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:00 pmEach directed question pushes people in a specific way that puts pressure on them.
can you give some examples of this happening? I was noticing the exact opposite during my read but maybe you saw something i didnt?
He pressured MP about the lack of scumreads.
Pushed Dunya for questioning him.
Didn't give LC any slack for his D1 No Lynch bit.
Pushed Sig over his cop-claim bit.
Voted out in the thread to make a statement.

It's more of a tone-read to me, but I feel like DDL is going around and flicking everyone on the nose. MP is bad about not doing scumreads. LC was getting townreads from his gambit. Same for Sig and his asking the cop to claim.

The generally towniest or most dangerous players in the game are making things happen, and DDL is going around to bop them on the nose. Not a huge amount, but hey, it's D1. And I want to keep that around.
For all it's worth I'm actually reading LC as moderate civ now.
I'm sorry to ask all these questions if they're answered elsewhere, but what was your reasoning for this?

Gut feeling.

If it helps you, I don't have any idea what i'm doing right now.

I'm getting another dejavu. This isn't the first time I suspect MP out of no fucking where and he flips. I should remember for the future that this can happen.

My time is up.

I'm sticking to Quin.

Not nearly as sure about it as I'd like, but this is day 1. Whatever.

Ok Im still here.

I dont like this day end.

I dont like how quin and mp are not voting each oter.

Cfd on wilgy guys?

Beats me.

Im going to dancing classes now. Later.

Wow that sucks.

Sorry Wilgy.

This is what happened, guys: I wasn't feeling very sure on either the Quin or the MP lynch. And don't even get me staretd on NT because I despise lynches on inactives.

So I saw someone mentioned they wanted Wilgy to be punished for his posting. I didn't have an opinion on him at all. But having seen CFDs work in the past, I thought "why not?" and tried to push one on him. Maybe it could reveal us something. I dunno.

It didn't work though.

Though it might have revealed something, from what I'm seeing (I'm not fully caught up)

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:29 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:26 pm Wow that sucks.

Sorry Wilgy.

This is what happened, guys: I wasn't feeling very sure on either the Quin or the MP lynch. And don't even get me staretd on NT because I despise lynches on inactives.

So I saw someone mentioned they wanted Wilgy to be punished for his posting. I didn't have an opinion on him at all. But having seen CFDs work in the past, I thought "why not?" and tried to push one on him. Maybe it could reveal us something. I dunno.

It didn't work though.

Though it might have revealed something, from what I'm seeing (I'm not fully caught up)
Want to post a list of GTH reads for us?

Once I catch up because now I'm 5 pages behind.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:07 pm All this talk, although agreeable, reeks of TMI. If Wilgy comes up town, I'm betting dunya, Daisy, and/or Kyle knows Wilgy is town.

What is a TMI

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:13 pm Basically, Rico was a legit lynch. With you, Wilgy...

Baby I'm soooooorrrrraaayy!
(I'm not sorry!)
Baby I'm soooooorrrrraaayy!
(I'm not sorry!)

This is one hell of an apologizing when Wilgy hasnt flipped.

Ok I'll do the GTH thingy.

How do I do it? SOmeone asks me questions?

I don't have actual reads on half the people but I guess that's the point of it.

I voted Sig > Quin > Wilgy

Didn't people invite me to a GTH?

And the WIlgy one is the one where I mentioned the CFD

I think Speed voted after me, yes.

Ok looks like I'm not part of the conversation so I'm coming back later.

Cya.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:04 pm Thank you so much

I'm eating dinner but when I get back I'll get to work

Linki, DDL just give your thoughts on everyone

Ok.

Gonna try to write in a burst to make it natural. I don't actually have reads on half these people but I guess this is the point.

Dragon D. Luffy - CIV
dunya - CIV
Kylemii - CIV
Long Con - CIV
MovingPictures07 - CIV
NewTraditionalist - CIV
Quin - BAD
sig - CIV
Spacedaisy - BAD
SpankGangsta - BAD
speedchuck - BAD

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:58 pm
If you'll notice, I'm doing the opposite of apologizing. It's hidden in the parenthesis, so I understand if you missed it.

That isn't my point. The point is that you were discussing whether you were feeling bad or not about Wilgy's flip even though he hadn't flipped yet.

Granted a lot of people did that and some of them are probably civ. But yours called the most of my attention, specially since you voted for him.

first you apologize then after you try to give some reasoning, I also find it pingy for why you explain your CFD

The two aren't mutually exclusive. I can feel bad for something but also explain my thought proccess so the people suspecting me for it know there is an explanation for it other than "DDL was bad and decided to get a civvie lynched".

Also my reason for it was half assed, and I don't deny it. With 10 minutes left and I being late for my dancing class, I decided to lynch someone at random. I just wanted to stop the lynches on MP and Quin which I wasn't happy with. My reason for suspecting MP was a huge tinfoil and the one for lynching Quin was one I was not exactly confident about two days later.

In retrospect, I maybe should have accepted it was Day 1 and took the risk with the Quin lynch, but hindsight is 20/20.

I also have had a bad experience with CFDs in general, but I decided to do one for a change just to see if it could change my mind.

I remain more unconvinced than ever on CFDs.

So I've been playing 3 games at once which means I put this one in the fridge. Will catch up now.

(though there doesn't seen to be many posts to catch up on)

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:38 pm It's not the first time MP's pressure vote for Daisy has been called into question. The same thing that happened in this thread happened in another game (though to a lesser extent) in The Search for Quin. It was pretty well established in that game that pressure votes between them don't carry much weight, since significant others should well know eachother's availability. Yet he does it anyway here. While he had a back and forth about it with her in TSFQ, he doesn't respond in this game. I could see a baddie MP trying to cover his bases on Day 1 like this.

One thing that I've noticed is that arguing with MP over the point of applying his methods is futile. He is strongly believer in the more info = better reads concept, which I partially agree with. So he will put pressure votes in hopes of obtaining anything no matter how meaningful or meaningless it might be. And he did obtrain an angry reaction from Daisy, so it's not like the exercise was futile (what that reaction means is another story).

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:04 pm Something that bugged me about the last day phase was the way MP was acting so panicked about getting lynched when he was in 2nd place to Quin

Something that bugged me part 2: was the way Quin pushed me to explain the ping of suspicion towards him and then Speedchuck used that as the definitive reference to discredit the case against Quin

He was leading the lynch when he came online. Also he had a zillion pages to catch up. So it makes sense if he was panicked.

LC - NL (NL - 1)
MP - LC (NL - 1, LC - 1)
Speedchuck - dunya (NL - 1, LC - 1, dunya 1)
Quin- NL (NL - 2, LC - 1, dunya 1)
LC - DDL (NL - 1, LC - 1, dunya 1, DDL 1)
MP - DrWilgy (NL - 1, wilgy - 1, dunya 1, DDL 1)
MP - Daisy (NL - 1, daisy - 1, dunya 1, DDL 1)
speedchuck - Sig (NL - 1, daisy - 1, Sig 1, DDL 1)
DDL - Sig (NL - 1, daisy - 1, Sig 2, DDL 1)
DDL - Quin (NL - 1, daisy - 1, Sig 1, DDL 1, Quin 1)
MP - Kylemii (NL - 1, kyle - 1, Sig 1, DDL 1, Quin 1)
Dr WIlgy - MP (NL - 1, kyle - 1, Sig 1, DDL 1, MP 1, Quin 1)
MP - NewTraditions (NL - 1, NT - 1, Sig 1, DDL 1, MP 1, Quin 1)
Kyle - MP (NL - 1, NT - 1, Sig 1, DDL 1, MP 2, Quin 1)
LC - MP (NL - 1, NT - 1, Sig 1, MP 3, Quin 1)
MP - NL (NL - 2, Sig 1, MP 3, Quin 1)
MP - Quin (NL - 1, Sig 1, MP 3, Quin 2)
MP - DDL (NL - 1, Sig 1, MP 3, Quin 1, DDL 1)
Quin - MP (Sig 1, MP 4, Quin 1, DDL 1)
DDL - DrWilgy (Sig 1, MP 4, Wilgy 1, DDL 1)
speedchuck - wilgy (MP 4, Wilgy 2, DDL 1)
Quin - wilgy (MP 3, Wilgy 3, DDL 1)
SD - DDL (MP 3, Wilgy 3, DDL 2)
Quin - Dunya (MP 3, Wilgy 2, DDL 2, Dunya 1)
Quin - Wilgy (MP 3, Wilgy 3, DDL 2)
Dr. Wilgy - DDL (MP 2, Wilgy 3, DDL 3)
Late and didn't count:
MP - Wilgy (MP 2, Wilgy 4, DDL 2)

Partial vote tally after each vote.

Missing dunyavotes and who knows who else's.

Correct me if I got anything wrong because this one is pretty easy to get wrong.

So if we assume the theory that someone tried to save someone, the only one I could see being saved was MP, because he was the one leading anything by the point of the Wilgy lynch.

That's if the save theory actually holds ground tho. Personally I liked MP's reaction to being voted so I don't want to lynch him. If he wants out, I'd like him to be replaced instead. Assuming we have replacements for him and the other 2 inactives.

I think I'll reread the day end and see if I missed anything.

Someone sell me on this dunya case. I've been reading her very neutrally since day 1 and I'd like to form an opinion.

Ima go ISO her too.

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