The Syndicate

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:29 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:56 am
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Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:42 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:34 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:27 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:04 am I actually cannot fathom why you would assume that would be a scum role. Makes way more sense from a balance perspective to have a townie in on the layers, since the scum would presumably already have more knowledge of them.
It does seem more likely that a town player would soft a role like this when it isn't even on the role list; a mafia player knows it attracts attention to themselves. But it is easy to WIFOM this; especially because this role is not on the role list.
Ugh, maybe it is just nutella wolfing with Epignosis; I have no idea. I still have towncore nutella on my brain, which no longer works; and my world is bigger than I am used to.
You told me Nutella is cleared, shortly after told Nutella you suspect her and now you make this wishy washy post about her wolfing with another TR I have while in your brain she is in your towncore.

Can you link the posts who made you think she's wolfing? And the one who puts her in your towcore?
Michelle, I like you, but you really have not read what happened in our group. We started out as 11 players on D2, we tried to lynch mafia every day, and with that and the night kills, our POE is pretty much exhausted (if going by POE, today might have been a thunderdome of TL vs LC, both of whom don't look actively scummy), so the town core I was working with for 3 days and that had nutella at its center clearly has a problem. (Unless we actually had no wolves at our level and relied on the upper levels to send them down to us? Would this setup be that bastard?) That means I have to start doubting. Nutella specifically voted on every successful lynch on every single day, Drgomir, Spiny/Boo, Rej/Ty4on, vanity. Nutella voted on the winning side of two ties (and vanity seemed to know that on D3), which is why I thought she might have the doublevoter role, but obviously this can happen by chance.

Please look through my ISO for my comments on nutella today, I am still catching up.

I did not tell you nutella is cleared, and in fact I corrected you on this earlier.
Idk why you like me. At personal level i maybe like you too, idk who you are.

your sweet playstyle gave me goosebumbs and the Poe thingy made the last game a town loss. Started then from a townie, now scum you is promoting it. We have to think very good at the Poe to see if it's accurate.
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Who made that Poe of yours you refused to talk about earlier?

My Poe is made by one busser on Drago's wagon I still don't know who he/she is, at least two scum in 112s wagon and at least 2 scum outside wagons.

From the counterwagon you, Elephant and Dom have the biggest scum equity .

On the upper part as towniest I have myself, Michelle, Quin, voting outside the wagons, Pawn from Drago's wagon, and most of the Drago voters.

The irony is that I first scumread vanity because he was promoting a POE that had no proper basis.
The towncore we were working with that are still alive would be nutella>Hyena>Juliets and maybe me, depending on whom you ask.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:34 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:30 am MacDougall, Lady LambdaDelta, Quin, Michelle, 112
Your group mislynched novaseline on day 2. Who was responsible for that?
everyone. Nova wasn't active and so we all SR him. all day everyone had shamefully low activity but Nova was the worse

Who introduced the idea that inactivity shows alignment?

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:32 am @Elephant I’m sure it’s better than King of Fuck Mountain

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sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:33 am Hello everyone I’m caught up from when day started to now

Let the questioning commence while I proceed to pull posts of interest from Phase 4 and do some pretty vote coloring

Did you know yesterday where the other players were? Or did you assume you were the last three players alive?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:36 am I see you put equality between the Nova's mislynch and Vanity's mislynch. No one pushed Nova. I can't say we can sort scum activity from that lynch but you gave me an idea and I will use it to Iso someone.

Keep talking and give me your pack.

I do not put that equality. I do not like that you make up facts.
I know that this is a mislynch that occurred. I think that a player in the group I tagged is probably a wolf. Do you know who it could be?

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:43 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:36 am I see you put equality between the Nova's mislynch and Vanity's mislynch. No one pushed Nova. I can't say we can sort scum activity from that lynch but you gave me an idea and I will use it to Iso someone.

Keep talking and give me your pack.
I do not put that equality. I do not like that you make up facts.
I know that this is a mislynch that occurred. I think that a player in the group I tagged is probably a wolf. Do you know who it could be?

Or do you think you lynched that wolf on day 3?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:40 am Nova was also my fault. I pointed out his last minute vote on 112 that nearly prevented a Drago lynch. That + lack of activity = easy for scum to push the mislynch and no townie is going to put their foot down to stop it.

Thank you!

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:43 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:40 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:33 am Hello everyone I’m caught up from when day started to now

Let the questioning commence while I proceed to pull posts of interest from Phase 4 and do some pretty vote coloring
Did you know yesterday where the other players were? Or did you assume you were the last three players alive?
logic said us at least one thread is with the main game.

I did not ask you.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:45 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:30 am @MacDougall, @Lady LambdaDelta, @Quin, @Michelle, @112
Your group mislynched novaseline on day 2. Who was responsible for that?
you want me to guess scum here but you don't give me your reads. I will not work for you, go ask everyone. I gave you my answer.

You have found out today that your day 2 lynmch was a mislynch. I am asking a group of you to use this info to rethink your analysis. You refuse to do so, when you should see that this is a useful thing for you to do. I can't do this myself because I haven't [mention]MacDougall[/mention]
Yes, I am strongly suggesting that people should not lose sight of the groups they have been with the past few days. Players who try to detract from these grouping might have an agenda.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:46 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:40 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:33 am Hello everyone I’m caught up from when day started to now

Let the questioning commence while I proceed to pull posts of interest from Phase 4 and do some pretty vote coloring
Did you know yesterday where the other players were? Or did you assume you were the last three players alive?
Elephant, this is the third time you've asked an irrelevant question about levels that has an obvious answer. We all figured out what was going on.

Why can't I pursue an inquiry in peace? Why do you dislike me getting Sprityo to talk?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:49 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:44 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:43 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:36 am I see you put equality between the Nova's mislynch and Vanity's mislynch. No one pushed Nova. I can't say we can sort scum activity from that lynch but you gave me an idea and I will use it to Iso someone.

Keep talking and give me your pack.
I do not put that equality. I do not like that you make up facts.
I know that this is a mislynch that occurred. I think that a player in the group I tagged is probably a wolf. Do you know who it could be?
Or do you think you lynched that wolf on day 3?
you didn't read my posts. I sayd that we had no deaths infos until this Sod.

I will remember you Nova had equal votes with Vanity and you could mislynch him since day 3 because you were on the wagon. You were frustrated to see him at Sod 4 and to have a new day to push him again isn't it?
Rng was naughty with you.

Yes, I was frustrated at SoD4. I had hoped the vigilante would resolve the wagons again, but nutella already suggested that they might run out of role points. I was frustrated at EoD3 because I felt that vanity was the better lynch, and if my arguments had prevailed, we would not have mislynched Ty4on.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:54 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:52 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:45 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:30 am @MacDougall, @Lady LambdaDelta, @Quin, @Michelle, @112
Your group mislynched novaseline on day 2. Who was responsible for that?
you want me to guess scum here but you don't give me your reads. I will not work for you, go ask everyone. I gave you my answer.
You have found out today that your day 2 lynmch was a mislynch. I am asking a group of you to use this info to rethink your analysis. You refuse to do so, when you should see that this is a useful thing for you to do. I can't do this myself because I haven't @MacDougall
Yes, I am strongly suggesting that people should not lose sight of the groups they have been with the past few days. Players who try to detract from these grouping might have an agenda.
I never detract anything dont make up words, I said I will not work for a player who is constantly refusing to cooperate with me and who I scum read as lock scum

My point is that you should be doing this work for yourself.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:58 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:53 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:46 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:40 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:33 am Hello everyone I’m caught up from when day started to now

Let the questioning commence while I proceed to pull posts of interest from Phase 4 and do some pretty vote coloring
Did you know yesterday where the other players were? Or did you assume you were the last three players alive?
Elephant, this is the third time you've asked an irrelevant question about levels that has an obvious answer. We all figured out what was going on.
Why can't I pursue an inquiry in peace? Why do you dislike me getting Sprityo to talk?
It's NAI discussion. It's not useful.

Ask him about his reads or something instead.

You do it.

[mention]sprityo[/mention], I would still like to talk to you about how significant you felt your decision was yesterday. Michelle and Radishes said you knew that whoever got lynched or nightkilled would just be "kicked up" a level, back to the other players, did that factor into your thinking at all?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:03 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:01 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:58 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:53 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:46 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:40 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:33 am Hello everyone I’m caught up from when day started to now

Let the questioning commence while I proceed to pull posts of interest from Phase 4 and do some pretty vote coloring
Did you know yesterday where the other players were? Or did you assume you were the last three players alive?
Elephant, this is the third time you've asked an irrelevant question about levels that has an obvious answer. We all figured out what was going on.
Why can't I pursue an inquiry in peace? Why do you dislike me getting Sprityo to talk?
It's NAI discussion. It's not useful.

Ask him about his reads or something instead.
You do it.
I spent four phases with him. I have. If you want info directed at you, then you do it.

If you ask the right questions, we can all see the answers. You can ask based on 4 days, I can ask basd on his few posts today and the ancient past of D0/D1. You should be interacting with Evenstar and Sprityo today, but you are tunneled on Evenstar, and thus we, the audience, are missing a line in this triangle.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:06 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:03 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:01 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:58 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:53 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:46 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:40 am

Did you know yesterday where the other players were? Or did you assume you were the last three players alive?
Elephant, this is the third time you've asked an irrelevant question about levels that has an obvious answer. We all figured out what was going on.
Why can't I pursue an inquiry in peace? Why do you dislike me getting Sprityo to talk?
It's NAI discussion. It's not useful.

Ask him about his reads or something instead.
You do it.
I spent four phases with him. I have. If you want info directed at you, then you do it.
If you ask the right questions, we can all see the answers. You can ask based on 4 days, I can ask basd on his few posts today and the ancient past of D0/D1. You should be interacting with Evenstar and Sprityo today, but you are tunneled on Evenstar, and thus we, the audience, are missing a line in this triangle.

And I dislike that you tried to shut down my questions, but refuse to ask questions of your own.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:15 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:05 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:50 am @Long Con and @Trustworthy Liberal you guys keep fading into the background and I think it's quite likely one or both of you is scum. I haven't forgotten about you, and am looking forward to seeing what you guys say about this phase's content so far.
Yes this is me i do end up doing this as i get busy Friday nights as an example are by far my busiest having my home site we finished a secret Santa event pretty much making abilities for each other and testing them as well as DnD sorry but how it is as well as i feel like this with today's state of the game .

Also since Michelle is here i want their read of my when you get the chance @Michellewould appropriate it since you have played multiple town games and my One true scum game with me i hope you have some kind of read on me.

Cause currently i feel alot of the push on me is just well am starting to get pushed so deflect to TL.
correct me if am wrong but seems most have done that atleast from our orginally group your not an exception nutella.

Now people are looking at me so gotta go back to DnD
who pushes you TL?

@Everyone I trust usually TL and he was an indeed trustworthy villager everytime. Let me read him and I will give my read .

Side note: when on Earth is mafia confident to ask a read from a villager? Logic says TL is town.

My prority rn are my scum reads to check them and after I will Iso you, TL

I am looking forward to that ISO on TL.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:10 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:04 am sprityo, I would still like to talk to you about how significant you felt your decision was yesterday. Michelle and Radishes said you knew that whoever got lynched or nightkilled would just be "kicked up" a level, back to the other players, did that factor into your thinking at all?
Not at all, i didnt even consider what might happen next, I treated it as any other final 3 situation

Evenstar says your vote made the tally a 3-way rand, how comfortable would you have been with that as the final outcome?
How do you see her last-second vote switch?

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:13 am
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:04 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:01 pm Pawn probably killed nanook lol.
Lol, if I'm scum I killed someone with more actual content. I maintain Nook's kill was a framer one.
Then who's the framer? Epi?

And this is an awfully convenient reason to hide behind given that if you were scum you'd likely be able to see nook producing more content (reported earlier in the thread).

Note also that Nanook got promptly killed on the top level. I'd say that Scum wanted him out of the game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:17 am [VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

I'm with Michelle.

Why? Have you both decided on D2 that you wanted to lynch me, and never wavered?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:27 am looks like our vote rules from the dream level are not known. We didn't have an open poll We had to send the vote to the host without mentioning who we voted for and we had to case as scum 3 players in the same time at minimum. We had no acces at wagons and outside dream informations.

Yes, we knew that. We talked to the players you sent us.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:30 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:23 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:10 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:04 am sprityo, I would still like to talk to you about how significant you felt your decision was yesterday. Michelle and Radishes said you knew that whoever got lynched or nightkilled would just be "kicked up" a level, back to the other players, did that factor into your thinking at all?
Not at all, i didnt even consider what might happen next, I treated it as any other final 3 situation
Evenstar says your vote made the tally a 3-way rand, how comfortable would you have been with that as the final outcome?
How do you see her last-second vote switch?
Evenstar voted almost immediately after day started for reasons i disagree with. I really dont like it still. I voted Radishes and he voted Evenstar and asked me to switch this was with about 2-3 minutes left. At this point Evenstar could leave the vote at a tie or vote MR to save herself guaranteed. On the random it's a 1/3 chance mafia hit and 2/3 town hit so as far as having to choose it's not anything i consider relevant. Voting for Radishes arguably was the better choice by pure numbers

How would you have felt if Radishes had switched his vote in that situation? Why do you think he didn't?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:30 am Also Sprityo take the game as a whole, keeping it fragmented is a bad idea.

Your ideas will help us but don't focus just in that area. Make connections with day one and the other levels.

Is this aimed at my conversation with Sprityo?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:35 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:32 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:27 am looks like our vote rules from the dream level are not known. We didn't have an open poll We had to send the vote to the host without mentioning who we voted for and we had to case as scum 3 players in the same time at minimum. We had no acces at wagons and outside dream informations.
Yes, we knew that. We talked to the players you sent us.
cool. And what conclusion do you have on that level?

I don't know what you want to know from me. We concluded that this mechanic was in place so that players would not be town-confirmed or scum-firmed here; a certain night-kill would be conftown, and we tried to figure these out and not lynch them. It's clear that public flips would be a huge advantage to us in the present situation, so this "everyone back together" mechanic made this setup necessary.

Didn't you complain earlier that I wasn't asking game-related questions? How was the question you just asked me game-related?

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:38 am What is the case against Master Radish? If it's been stated this day phase in the thread please tell me who and I will look at their ISO. The posts are running together a bit for me.

I haven't seen a case yet. I suspect Radishes, because he came in early, told us of the F3 vote, and suggested that because he was the one who was lynched, Evenstar must be the mafia, for her last-minte vote switch. Radishes also mentioned some prize for the scum team that nobody else has heard of or talked about. It's early in the day, though; Michelle is correct that players should also look at what these three did on the other days, which unfortunately cuts us mostly out.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:39 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:34 am
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:32 am I'm caught up and am voting [VOTE: Eva] aubergine
what do you think about Elephant?
I see someone playing illogically.

Not sure if it's bad, or just illogical.

Could you please point out to me where I've been illogical?

Sprityo's Evenstar compilaton is very much her style, and my eyes soon glazed over, but first I saw this line:

3: Honestly, given that Pawn missed the same thing I did regarding the doublevoter, I think you're overestimating how obvious the flaw was.

What was your doublevoter deal? Can anyone tell me more about that?

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:55 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:54 am
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:39 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:34 am
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:32 am I'm caught up and am voting [VOTE: Eva] aubergine
what do you think about Elephant?
I see someone playing illogically.

Not sure if it's bad, or just illogical.
Could you please point out to me where I've been illogical?
You're voting for Michelle right now, that's a start.

Ok. I like to use my vote at this stage to indicate where my mind is at, and perhaps to get reactions. I haven't been able to put a complete case together, because I am still (!) catching up, but I don't think Michelle has a solving attitude towards me at all, and I scumread that.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:41 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:36 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:30 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:23 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:10 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:04 am sprityo, I would still like to talk to you about how significant you felt your decision was yesterday. Michelle and Radishes said you knew that whoever got lynched or nightkilled would just be "kicked up" a level, back to the other players, did that factor into your thinking at all?
Not at all, i didnt even consider what might happen next, I treated it as any other final 3 situation
Evenstar says your vote made the tally a 3-way rand, how comfortable would you have been with that as the final outcome?
How do you see her last-second vote switch?
Evenstar voted almost immediately after day started for reasons i disagree with. I really dont like it still. I voted Radishes and he voted Evenstar and asked me to switch this was with about 2-3 minutes left. At this point Evenstar could leave the vote at a tie or vote MR to save herself guaranteed. On the random it's a 1/3 chance mafia hit and 2/3 town hit so as far as having to choose it's not anything i consider relevant. Voting for Radishes arguably was the better choice by pure numbers
How would you have felt if Radishes had switched his vote in that situation? Why do you think he didn't?
Switched to me? After having voted for Evenstar? Well I would'nt have a choice but to accept my fate and die....if this were a normal game. A switch after realizing i wasnt switching would definitely look bad for him. I feel like he didnt switch votes because he felt confident I would change my mind. There's actually yknow posts that I can quote too regarding that last 10 minutes.

Ok, I feel I have understood this, but please correct me if I have the nuances wrong. You were all voting each other.
* mafia!Radishes did not switch to you because he would have outed himself (almost).
* town!Radishes did not switch to you because he had conviction, and preferred a rand to lynching you.

mafia!Radishes could have switched for self-preservation.
* He already said early today that he was aware players would only get "kicked up", so he would have known that his lynch was no big deal.
* He made it into a big deal by suggestingt there was a prize of some sort involved for mafia.
* Would Evenstar have reacted to Radishes switching? Knowing her, she probably would So successful self-preservation was doubtful unless done at the very end.

Sprityo, you could have self-preserved onto Evenstar in that situation. Why did you decide against it?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:52 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:47 am
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:38 am What is the case against Master Radish? If it's been stated this day phase in the thread please tell me who and I will look at their ISO. The posts are running together a bit for me.
I haven't seen a case yet. I suspect Radishes, because he came in early, told us of the F3 vote, and suggested that because he was the one who was lynched, Evenstar must be the mafia, for her last-minte vote switch. Radishes also mentioned some prize for the scum team that nobody else has heard of or talked about. It's early in the day, though; Michelle is correct that players should also look at what these three did on the other days, which unfortunately cuts us mostly out.
Your reading comprehension is poor on two counts - that was not my reason for Eva being mafia, and you are completely mischaracterising what I said about the so-called 'prize' (not a term I used). You're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

I am referring to this:

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:06 pm Evenstar is scum. Lock it in. Don't listen to her.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:07 pm I've had her since D2 and no one is listening to me.

Sprityo made a bad choice. I think the mafia may have gained some sort of advantage.

Those were your third and fourth posts today, I think that still counts as entrance. You later expounded:

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:22 pm Too intrigued to sleep yet, too tired to get involved.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:15 pm Lemme back up just to orient the rest of you a bit, I'm part of the group that has been in the main thread all along. The rest who have been here the whole time and are still alive are elephant, hyena, juliets, LC, TLib. We didn't have vote restriction rules but learned about them when people joined us from other levels later. This is the "top" level where players can actually die. Or something like that lol.
We figured as much. We 'lynched' players and there were 'kills', but it was all done privately via PMs. We can't discuss it.

Sprit, Eva, and I went to the final level. Something must've been at stake but I don't know what. Anyway, Sprit voted me, Eva leapt on, so I was 'lynched'. But I'm 95% confident Eva is scum and a little annoyed at Sprit, but I think it was mainly down to lack of availability for him and me (we were rarely online together) so I'll forgive him.

(If you guys tell me Sprit is known to be tricky mafia, I may lower my confidence rating.)

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:57 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:55 am Sprityo's Evenstar compilaton is very much her style, and my eyes soon glazed over, but first I saw this line:
3: Honestly, given that Pawn missed the same thing I did regarding the doublevoter, I think you're overestimating how obvious the flaw was.
What was your doublevoter deal? Can anyone tell me more about that?
Oh, yeah. We figure Iaafr is the doublevoter since he pushed Drago but ended up not voting at EoD1.

I saw that too, he had announced it well in advance.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:03 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:57 am
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:55 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:54 am
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:39 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:34 am
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:32 am I'm caught up and am voting [VOTE: Eva] aubergine
what do you think about Elephant?
I see someone playing illogically.

Not sure if it's bad, or just illogical.
Could you please point out to me where I've been illogical?
You're voting for Michelle right now, that's a start.
Ok. I like to use my vote at this stage to indicate where my mind is at, and perhaps to get reactions. I haven't been able to put a complete case together, because I am still (!) catching up, but I don't think Michelle has a solving attitude towards me at all, and I scumread that.
You're catching up on what?

On the posts I missed while I was sleeping. I'm a slow reader, and Michelle kept me occupied.

It took me 7 hours to catch up on as many hours of sleep. When I signed up, I was told there would be a mechanic in place to reduce the volume, and for the last three days there was, but today is awful.

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Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:28 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:16 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:52 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:47 am
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:38 am What is the case against Master Radish? If it's been stated this day phase in the thread please tell me who and I will look at their ISO. The posts are running together a bit for me.
I haven't seen a case yet. I suspect Radishes, because he came in early, told us of the F3 vote, and suggested that because he was the one who was lynched, Evenstar must be the mafia, for her last-minte vote switch. Radishes also mentioned some prize for the scum team that nobody else has heard of or talked about. It's early in the day, though; Michelle is correct that players should also look at what these three did on the other days, which unfortunately cuts us mostly out.
Your reading comprehension is poor on two counts - that was not my reason for Eva being mafia, and you are completely mischaracterising what I said about the so-called 'prize' (not a term I used). You're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.
I am referring to this:
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:06 pm Evenstar is scum. Lock it in. Don't listen to her.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:07 pm I've had her since D2 and no one is listening to me.

Sprityo made a bad choice. I think the mafia may have gained some sort of advantage.
Those were your third and fourth posts today, I think that still counts as entrance. You later expounded:

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:22 pm Too intrigued to sleep yet, too tired to get involved.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:15 pm Lemme back up just to orient the rest of you a bit, I'm part of the group that has been in the main thread all along. The rest who have been here the whole time and are still alive are elephant, hyena, juliets, LC, TLib. We didn't have vote restriction rules but learned about them when people joined us from other levels later. This is the "top" level where players can actually die. Or something like that lol.
We figured as much. We 'lynched' players and there were 'kills', but it was all done privately via PMs. We can't discuss it.

Sprit, Eva, and I went to the final level. Something must've been at stake but I don't know what. Anyway, Sprit voted me, Eva leapt on, so I was 'lynched'. But I'm 95% confident Eva is scum and a little annoyed at Sprit, but I think it was mainly down to lack of availability for him and me (we were rarely online together) so I'll forgive him.

(If you guys tell me Sprit is known to be tricky mafia, I may lower my confidence rating.)

Right. So read what I said again. You're mischaracterising it. I speculated on there being something to gain from limbo, but did not state there was a prize I knew about beforehand. I scumread Eva for many reasons prior to the vote, not because I was lynched/her last minute vote.

"something to gain" is the deifnition for "prize", that's just semantics.
I read your quote as if Evenstar "leaping on" was your strongest point against her; I apologize for misreading that.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:28 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:58 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:48 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:26 pm Also, hiiii Mendel. <3
Thank you for the warm welcome!
This is my only Syndicate account, so technically it is not an alt. JJJ knew all along, and so did nutella. I've become the Elephant because I felt a bit of an imposter for not actually advancing in the championship, because I wanted to conceal my presence from some participants (not here now), and because I wanted to try out a more considered and less emotional and aggressive posting style. I'd prefer to keep the style, though I can drop it if that helps resolve me. I guess it's good that this isn't an anon game, eh?
Hahaha it IS you! I hope this doesn't mean you will stop posting Elephant pics!
@Elephant are you Mendel? This may explain the refference to Mendel's playstyle.
<3 i still think you are scum but I hope you will understand it because randing scum is part of the game

Yes.
You still haven't answered the question.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:46 am There wouldve been no point to voting evenstar if they had both voted me, it being so late in the phase. The timing for me was just bad really I was dead tired and not able to perform at top quality at 2 am

Thank you for your answers! I have the impression that this was a difficult situation for all of you.

I can't make much sense of Michelle's D0/D1 ISO, but I found these two gems.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:19 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:13 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:12 pm kill Michelle she's not Towny
yeah i'd expect to have a townread on michelle at this point if she were a villa

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine
wait you voted me before reading my Iso? -_-

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:34 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:31 pm i guess michelle is posting more than i know of her scum meta but uhh

no townread still

defaults to a wolfread
omgus suits you

I'd vote Radishes over Sprityo and Evenstar right now, but it's still earlay in the day.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:05 am Sprityo and radishes are irrelvant at this point. The vig will solve my PoE.

Since D3, I'm not so sure that we still have an active vigilante, but it's possible.

Thank you for your explanation!

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:22 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:04 am I can't make much sense of Michelle's D0/D1 ISO, but I found these two gems.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:19 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:13 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:12 pm kill Michelle she's not Towny
yeah i'd expect to have a townread on michelle at this point if she were a villa

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine
wait you voted me before reading my Iso? -_-

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:34 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:31 pm i guess michelle is posting more than i know of her scum meta but uhh

no townread still

defaults to a wolfread
omgus suits you
I'd vote Radishes over Sprityo and Evenstar right now, but it's still earlay in the day.
what to do with this gem? What do you see here?

1) You scumread vanity, yet you blame me for the same thing.
2) You criticize vanity for voting without reading the ISO, yet you do the same with me.
3) You shade him for omgus'ing, but he is town; but me omgus'ing makes me a wolf
4) vanity wolfread you.
I will put it as clearly as I can: Vanity is our redirector; I'd bet he redirected your wolf kill onto Tony or Texas, and because you couldn't kill me, you have been pushing this agenda-y lynch ever since.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:03 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:57 am
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:55 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:54 am
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:39 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:34 am
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:32 am I'm caught up and am voting [VOTE: Eva] aubergine
what do you think about Elephant?
I see someone playing illogically.

Not sure if it's bad, or just illogical.
Could you please point out to me where I've been illogical?
You're voting for Michelle right now, that's a start.
Ok. I like to use my vote at this stage to indicate where my mind is at, and perhaps to get reactions. I haven't been able to put a complete case together, because I am still (!) catching up, but I don't think Michelle has a solving attitude towards me at all, and I scumread that.
I think she's just town who has misunderstood a lot of your replies and part of that is probably just language barrier and part of it is she hasn't had time to look through your whole iso. I don't like that she's so confident on you when she has a flawed and incomplete understanding of you, but I think she's probably just town

I am not a meta person, and I haven played with Michelle as scum (I think), but I believe Michelle is normally not this confident. There is a reason for that, but I agree with you that it might be a towny reason.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:58 pm @Elephant I don't think you're here right now but when you see this, tell me why I shouldn't just lynch you now that juliets is not stopping me.

I am waffling on Eva again.

You should not lynch me because we don't need four mislynches in a row.
I wanted to ISO Hyena to get caught up after dealing with my quotes and mentions, but I guess I can do Juliets first.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:17 am Were the dream levels aware that when someone was lynched or NK'd at their level they came into the top level where the lynch or NK became real?

On a different subject, I am now reading nutella as town after reading through her posts in this new phase. I don't agree with everything she says but that's ok.

I was seeing Elephant as town in our time together before we merged back together. I am concerned though because he hasn't been here very much in this new phase and I don't understand his vote on Michelle. @Elephant I need to see more from you today.

You were writing this while I replied to Michelle, did you see me come online?
I felt I had wasted a lot of my day (7 hours) yesterday catching up on this game, and decided to prioritize other things for a while. I think I checked the poll at night, and saw Evenstar going off the Epignosis wagon on someone else, and felt I had nothing to contribute to that fight.

nutella says you "no longer defend me", what is she referring to?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:27 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:18 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:22 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:04 am I can't make much sense of Michelle's D0/D1 ISO, but I found these two gems.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:19 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:13 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:12 pm kill Michelle she's not Towny
yeah i'd expect to have a townread on michelle at this point if she were a villa

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine
wait you voted me before reading my Iso? -_-

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:34 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:31 pm i guess michelle is posting more than i know of her scum meta but uhh

no townread still

defaults to a wolfread
omgus suits you
I'd vote Radishes over Sprityo and Evenstar right now, but it's still earlay in the day.
what to do with this gem? What do you see here?
1) You scumread vanity, yet you blame me for the same thing.
2) You criticize vanity for voting without reading the ISO, yet you do the same with me.
3) You shade him for omgus'ing, but he is town; but me omgus'ing makes me a wolf
4) vanity wolfread you.
I will put it as clearly as I can: Vanity is our redirector; I'd bet he redirected your wolf kill onto Tony or Texas, and because you couldn't kill me, you have been pushing this agenda-y lynch ever since.
1. that is old d1 story. reading in d4 I saw he should be saved.
2. I've skimmed it. I have a life tbh.
3. again old d1 early stages
4. so what? village can make mistakes
This is a lie. There is never knowledge from me about Texas until Sod 5 you are spouting nonsenses no offense :/

When you get redirected, the host does not tell you about it.

Since TLiberal is discussed, did [mention]Long Con[/mention] ever show us perspective in TL's ISO? I know at least one other player promised an ISO, it was either Epi or Michelle, I think?

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:43 am By the way, I think the Vig that was in our group is within, like, [TLib, Elephant, and nutella].

Can you explain what's up with the "misread roleclaim" business? The vig might be in that group because nutella talked a LOT about holstering, but I had someone else in mind for that role.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:49 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:44 am Since TLiberal is discussed, did @Long Con ever show us perspective in TL's ISO? I know at least one other player promised an ISO, it was either Epi or Michelle, I think?
I did. My SRs comes first, TL will be Iso-ed later.

Logically because he asked me this has a slight TR from me.

I noted that because you doing an ISO on TL tells me if you are doing it from a towny or a scummy perspective. That is why I would like you to do it. It's not even very large.

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Hi Juliets! I'm here!

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:53 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:47 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:43 am By the way, I think the Vig that was in our group is within, like, [TLib, Elephant, and nutella].
Can you explain what's up with the "misread roleclaim" business? The vig might be in that group because nutella talked a LOT about holstering, but I had someone else in mind for that role.
Yeah, I think people kinda thought you were softing cop with a green check on Juliet. That's why Creature instantly backed off of you. It had no bearing on my read on you though, though it seemed like it had affected other people's read on you and Juliets. It's also why I think Nanook told me that I had to include Juliets in the towncore, too, if I included you in it.

Ugh, ok. I meant to imply something else. Apparently nobody caught on to what it actually was, but I wasn't surprised to be cleared off it.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:54 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:53 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:49 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:44 am Since TLiberal is discussed, did @Long Con ever show us perspective in TL's ISO? I know at least one other player promised an ISO, it was either Epi or Michelle, I think?
I did. My SRs comes first, TL will be Iso-ed later.

Logically because he asked me this has a slight TR from me.
I noted that because you doing an ISO on TL tells me if you are doing it from a towny or a scummy perspective. That is why I would like you to do it. It's not even very large.
I can only do it from towny perspective, your shade is useless.

Yes. Please show me your towny perspective. That is what I am asking.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:01 am Did....did anyone else (besides juliets) read my day 4 post wall or did I just get ignored again? :/

I hadn’t heard anything about it is all. Especially for anyone with Radishes or Evenstar in their scum list or is currently voting them @112

I skimmed your Evenstar collection and your Radishes collection, and kinda threw my hands in the air because they had their chracteristic tones, and I couldnt make sense of the D2 and D3 references. Perhaps you'd get more feedback if link to these, and to your own D4 wall.

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