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by Elephant
Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:05 am
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

Hyena wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:18 pm Also, I think TLib unintentionally townslipped earlier. I don't want to point it explicitly out right now though, but if you go looking through his D2 posts, you might see it, too. Take it with a grain of salt though.
I am really too paranoid for this, you know??? Especially in situations that can be anticipated by the mafia team, a townslip can be premeditated. But maybe I have not seen the same thing that you saw.
by Elephant
Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:16 am
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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I am the Elephant.

I would have liked to post a case on vanity. But all I have are a handful of self-conscious posts and the uncertain impression that I'm not seeing the same vanity. I recall from his Wildcards game.
by Elephant
Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:07 am
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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I am the Elephant.

The Elephant brain take of today's events is depressing. We started off with vanity. suggesting to look at a group of 5 players only, those whom I have mentally dubbed The Expendables, and despite my protests, this is largely what we have been doing. The fruit of this effort leaves us no wiser than before. DFaraday is still absent. Boo acted as I did, and voted outside the box, but found no traction. Trustworthy Liberal stayed in character and stood up for himself. Long Con actually made a case inside the box, and we looked at it and said "meh". Juliets was Juliets, digging. Elephant was Elephant, seeds and all.

vanity. is absent. Long Con's D1 vote looks like a bus, but his rainbow reads already have Dragomir at the bottom. We are looking at the votes that were called out; Juliets, do you know if there were votes that had no call-outs? We have somehow been treading water all day, and I wonder why.

I am going to be absent later on as I need to be a Singing Elephant today. I hope to be back in time to maybe sling my vote somewhere else and not stay on my vanity wagon, and who knows if I'll ever have an opportunity for that pun again.
by Elephant
Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:11 am
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

juliets wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:51 am I just finished vanity's iso and I didn't read anything that screams "town" at me like I thought I remembered. One thing I didn't like was when she (she is a she right?) used some vague words like "stiff" and "conservative" to define me, offered to bring up some posts to someone as examples, but then when I asked for examples she wouldn't do it. I'm not calling her scum but my lean on her is more "slightly town" than definitively town.
When I saw that tunnel on you in his ISO, I understood why he put you in the box with the rest of us, although you were on the "correct" wagon at lynchtime.
by Elephant
Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:25 am
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
Replies: 11186
Views: 228000

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

juliets wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:18 am
Elephant wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:11 am
juliets wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:51 am I just finished vanity's iso and I didn't read anything that screams "town" at me like I thought I remembered. One thing I didn't like was when she (she is a she right?) used some vague words like "stiff" and "conservative" to define me, offered to bring up some posts to someone as examples, but then when I asked for examples she wouldn't do it. I'm not calling her scum but my lean on her is more "slightly town" than definitively town.
When I saw that tunnel on you in his ISO, I understood why he put you in the box with the rest of us, although you were on the "correct" wagon at lynchtime.
Shit he's a he. Sorry vanity!

Ok so you saw in my posts why he was calling me stiff and conservative - good to know. I just don't really get why that equals scum, but we come from different cultures so I have to keep that in mind.
You misunderstand me. I believe your ISO is fine. However, vanity. being tunneled explains his suspicion.
by Elephant
Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:27 am
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Views: 228000

Re: I am the Elephant.

juliets wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:23 am
Elephant wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:07 am The Elephant brain take of today's events is depressing. We started off with vanity. suggesting to look at a group of 5 players only, those whom I have mentally dubbed The Expendables, and despite my protests, this is largely what we have been doing. The fruit of this effort leaves us no wiser than before. DFaraday is still absent. Boo acted as I did, and voted outside the box, but found no traction. Trustworthy Liberal stayed in character and stood up for himself. Long Con actually made a case inside the box, and we looked at it and said "meh". Juliets was Juliets, digging. Elephant was Elephant, seeds and all.

vanity. is absent. Long Con's D1 vote looks like a bus, but his rainbow reads already have Dragomir at the bottom. We are looking at the votes that were called out; Juliets, do you know if there were votes that had no call-outs? We have somehow been treading water all day, and I wonder why.

I am going to be absent later on as I need to be a Singing Elephant today. I hope to be back in time to maybe sling my vote somewhere else and not stay on my vanity wagon, and who knows if I'll ever have an opportunity for that pun again.
Elephant, unfortunately I do not know if there were votes that weren't called out except for my own vote where I later said "I forgot my call out" and did it in the thread. There were a couple of votes (vanity was one I remember) where the person called the vote out but didn't vote in the poll.

The major wagon tallies came out right in the end in my Oct. 29 vote details so I felt like everyone had called out their vote on that day at least. (I didn't bother checking the tallies on the people who had 1 or maybe 2 votes.)
Thank you! It's possibly I have a faulty memory in that matter, then; I thought somone else had mentioned that there were uncalled votes on the poll.
by Elephant
Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:34 am
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
Replies: 11186
Views: 228000

I am the Elephant.

I changed to the computer to do a proper multi-quote ISO. The takeaway:
- Vanity tunnels Juliets from the star, never re-evaluates
- vanity is quite self-conscious on how towny he's being
- vanity thinks Benson subtly shading him as a wolf, [mention]Benson [/mention]denies
- vanity stalls any initiative to introduce structured conversation
- vanity votes players pushing her: he votes me for suggesting that he could have engaged Jack instead of observing that no group talk was happeneing, and votes Michelle for pushing him over that unmotivated vote
- vanity's reads have very obvious strong player bias
- vanity attempts an in-thread ISO of Michelle
- vanity announces intent to "kill Drago" at -1:45, his reason on the actual vote is "don't want epi lynched"
- vanity establishes a D2 pool of suspects along his old, biased reads
- vanity skips a day
- Subjectively, vanity does not feel like the town!vanity from wildcards 1.

Actually, that's more than I remembered seeing. I'm less happy with this ISo than I am with Trustworthy Liberal's, because I can understand Trusrtworthy Liberal, but I do not understand this.
Spoiler: show
vanity. wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 5:45 pm juliet's play pings me as wolfy so far. thoughts?
vanity.'s second post starts a tunnel.

vanity. wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:34 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:33 pm
Hyena wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:32 pm
vanity. wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:15 pm i'm probably going to get questions about my nanook read so i'll just explain that now
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:51 pm Hey guys, I was busy the entirety of yesterday and forgot to check in here briefly, but all you missed was me saying hello and kill Lexi forthwith.

That is all, I’m going back to driving now. Someone wake me up at like D6
nanook instantly pushing lld in this post reads to me as "i've been burned by this person bad and i want to lynch them out of paranoia" to me. it's like a classic v thought process in my opinion. now, he has a good wolf game and i wouldn't take this to the grave, but i think it was enough to give him a townread, especially since no one else v read him.
I'm calling Vanity lock town for this post and, like, 5-10 of the posts he made before this one.
Vanity is the towniest town in this game, and I hope we're all in agreement on this.
...am i? am i just this easy of a read?

i feel like nothing i've done is outside of my wolfrange but... k.
vanity. wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:37 pm
Benson wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:23 pm Anyone else think it's a bit wolfy to have a BIG reads list this early? Is that standard for villa-Eva?
Benson wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:34 pm
iaafr wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:29 pm don't d1 Juliets, she's Towny in my book and she may get spewed town by an actual scumflip down the line
This is where I am. I think she has the type of playstyle that the wolves will target for a mislynch.
this is like shading me without wanting to actually confront me

i know you're think i'm wolfy, if you think i'm a wolf then just say it. the fact that you're not engaging me at all is worrisome.
vanity. wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:39 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:36 pm
vanity. wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:34 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:33 pm
Hyena wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:32 pm
vanity. wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:15 pm i'm probably going to get questions about my nanook read so i'll just explain that now
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:51 pm Hey guys, I was busy the entirety of yesterday and forgot to check in here briefly, but all you missed was me saying hello and kill Lexi forthwith.

That is all, I’m going back to driving now. Someone wake me up at like D6
nanook instantly pushing lld in this post reads to me as "i've been burned by this person bad and i want to lynch them out of paranoia" to me. it's like a classic v thought process in my opinion. now, he has a good wolf game and i wouldn't take this to the grave, but i think it was enough to give him a townread, especially since no one else v read him.
I'm calling Vanity lock town for this post and, like, 5-10 of the posts he made before this one.
Vanity is the towniest town in this game, and I hope we're all in agreement on this.
...am i? am i just this easy of a read?

i feel like nothing i've done is outside of my wolfrange but... k.
To be fair, I've not seen your scum game. But I read you in G7 (you died as I subbed in) and watched you in in WC1, and you play this game similarly to how I do. Everything I see from you so far has been so pure, IMO.

How would you describe your wolf range, then?
my wolf range, huh...

while i haven't wolfed on forum before, and this game is another non-turbo village game from me, because randing wolf is impossible for some reason, but i'm the powerwolf type. a lot of people that know me from dm wouldn't give v reads on me this early, because they know i can give compelling thoughts on the game as a wolf.

i'd post around the same as either alignment. if i'm in the thread, i'm posting. that's all there really is to it. if you think i'm pure, cool. i don't think you're a wolf at the moment, so i'm comfortable with this.
vanity. wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:41 pm
Benson wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:38 pm I'm not ok with vanity being consensus villager at this point. He's clean, yes; but almost too clean, if you know what I mean.
Call it gut-feels, but I'm giving him a soft FoS.
what are you talking about? you've literally made posts that soft reference me in talking about wolfy behavior. are you not realizing this or what?
Benson wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:49 pm
vanity. wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:41 pm
Benson wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:38 pm I'm not ok with vanity being consensus villager at this point. He's clean, yes; but almost too clean, if you know what I mean.
Call it gut-feels, but I'm giving him a soft FoS.
what are you talking about? you've literally made posts that soft reference me in talking about wolfy behavior. are you not realizing this or what?
Lol I do realize that but those soft references didn't have you in mind. I was speaking fairly generally. By calling you clean I meant that your posts in a vacuum just look ostensibly villagery.
vanity. wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:07 pm i don't particularly hate or love any of these wagons

this sucks....
vanity. wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:53 pm sprityo's being towny and i remember thinking they were towny before hand despite the post about him worrying about being lynched

ughhhh

what do
vanity. wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:55 pm also this whole thing regardung the charts is like useless

i don't want to shut it down but i really think it's not getting us anywhere

nutella and eva are still both towny to me
vanity. wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:30 pm
Hyena wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:28 pm
vanity. wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:26 pm
Hyena wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:26 pmHowdy, all. o/
howdy, glad to see you here. how's it going?
Doing pretty good! You?
doin okay

kinda chilling, i'm townreading a lot of people and it's bad for me i think. plus i'm not really devoting that much time to this game anyways.

i want to vote off sprityo. considering a juliets vote or maybe tonystarkprime or something

trying to sort it out
vanity. wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:34 pm [VOTE: 112] aubergine

let's pressure here actually
vanity. wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:19 pm
nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:16 pm
vanity. wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:08 pm gonna try parsing hyena vs evenstar real quick

the fact that they're not finding each other is raising red flags but independently speaking i think both are very villagery
Oh this is an interesting point.


Idk if I trust you completely though. But I mostly agree with your do not lynch list at least.
that's fine, i haven't been overtly obvious villager with my spam-y posting at tbe moment but i'm trying when i can

you might've picked up on it, but if hyena and evenstar perceive their town games to be similar, and they're not finding each other, it's making me think something is there. though i understand any given game a disconnect can happen between 2 villas, as i've seen it before elsewhere

eva is definitely more in her chaos-posty archetype too but i don't want to touch her at all
"i haven't been overtly obvious villager with my spam-y posting at tbe moment but i'm trying when i can"
vanity. wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:05 pm
Michelle wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:03 pm
vanity. wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:00 pm like eva, i understand that you find pawn to be right very often but...

why does pawn have to be right in this instance? and more importantly, why is pawn towny to you? and if pawn is a wolf, what does that mean for iaafr and mac's alignments?
Why are you pushing for associative reads? Isn't this too early into the game?
i'm not the one pushing for associative reads? eva is saying that pawn saying mac and iaafr are town, makes mac and iaafr town. i'm not the one that is making that association, eva is making it. hence why i'm questioning her.
I find this notable, because Evenstar had stated that Pawn would usually be correct in his reads independent of his alignment. MIchelle's question was well justified.
vanity. wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:54 pm
Hyena wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:53 pm
iaafr wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:51 pm I still proposed that one where everybody mentions their top townread to discuss their takes on their top townreads reads

but idk doesn't feel right for this d1
My top townread is Vanity, and I liked the list of people he thought were villagers.
for what its worth he wasn't actually proposing us to do it now but alright
vanity actively stalls on iaafr's initiative.
vanity. wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:07 pm reminder that we have like... 20 hours before eod

idk if there's gonna be ample time to set this thing up lol
vanity stalls on MacDougall's initiative.
MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:07 pm
vanity. wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:07 pm reminder that we have like... 20 hours before eod

idk if there's gonna be ample time to set this thing up lol
It's done, setup, just go for it.
vanity. wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:08 pm whatever i guess 10-11 am and 1-2 pm eastern work best for me
vanity interprets Mac's initiative to require specific times, and then sets a schedule that is hard to match. By contrast, Juliets just set out to working and addressing her group as soon as she was online, because a forum is an asynchronous medium that does not require scheduling a date to get engaged. In comparison, vanity is stalling, and Juliets is not.
vanity. wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:13 pm group 1 is like probably infested with wolves btw lol
vanity is not using teh groups for their intended purpose, and instead launches into a very different discussion that looks like it is engaging with teh groups, but is really just about wolf reads, but not even

vanity. wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:41 pm guess i can entertain your ideas mac, not doing color coding tho

dark green:
hyena
creature
nutella
jack
mr
iaafr

light green:
sprityo
mac
epig
lld
spiny
benson

yellow:
nanook
texas
evenstar
pawn
elephant
rej
long con
drago
dom

orange:
dfaraday
tonystarkprime
juliets
112
quin
michelle
tlib

red:
nova
I have added color coding: orange and blue for playing in the Championship wildcards/finale or not, bold for everyone here.
vanity suggested the bottom 5 players for today's "box".
vanity. wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:49 pm be back tomorrow at the times i said i'd be here (10 am - 11 am and 1 pm - 2 pm eastern and probably eod as well)
vanity. wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:55 am oh shoot i forgot about the group thing uhhhh'

woops
vanity. wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:29 pm if tlib tonystark juliets and 112 contain no wolves this game is gonna be hard as hell for me
vanity. wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:17 pm apparently the group discussions aren't happening and i have absolutely nothing to say at the moment so i guess i'll just see you guys in like 3 hours for eod
vanity. wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:49 pm
Elephant wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:38 pm You could've talked to Jack?
@vanity.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/cwF-o4haZ ... =34&end=49
sure? guess i'm not opposed. let's talk about, idk, the weather?
vanity. wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:52 pm
vanity. wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:49 pm
Elephant wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:38 pm You could've talked to Jack?
https://www.youtube.com/embed/cwF-o4haZ ... =34&end=49
sure? guess i'm not opposed. let's talk about, idk, the weather?
I guess I got excited enough cutting that clip that I forgot you said you had nothing to say. :shrug:
i'm not opposed to talking but the game just doesn't interest me at the moment

think i'm also reminded why i prefer shorter games over longer ones
vanity. wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:04 pm
Michelle wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:02 pm
vanity. wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:59 pm
Michelle wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:54 pm
vanity. wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:45 pm honestly since i'm not really that invested in the game and most people think i'm a villa i'm just gonna lay low and sheep others

[VOTE: elephant] aubergine
they are in a wrong way thinking you are villager?
Sounds like an excuse to park a vote in a new wagon
what? i legit don't know what you're trying to say

if people think i'm a villager, then i don't want to get in the way of solving. i'm not going to be a cook this game. that's just how i'm going to play.
i don't want you to be a cook i want you to be villagery if you are villager. Sheeping others is not always villagery.
i've already been villagery

get off my case
vanity. wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:13 pm
iaafr wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:12 pm kill Michelle she's not Towny
yeah i'd expect to have a townread on michelle at this point if she were a villa

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

vanity. wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:17 pm okay whatever screw it

just gonna iso michelle and give thoughts

apparently you want me to be a cook. my playstyle normally is to be unapologetically town. so i'll be a cook
vanity then launches into a piecewise ISO in the thread that I've only ever seen done once, by a wolf.
vanity. wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:17 pm i could kill drago here i think
112 was a scum lean for her in the reads, and Drago was not.
vanity. wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:42 pm [VOTE: drago] aubergine

don't want epi lynched
vanity does not mention his earlier intent to vote Dragomir.
vanity. wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:13 pm i'm not going to be here for much longer but i'm willing to do a small amount of solving while i'm present
vanity. wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:17 pm tlib
elephant
juliets
long con
dfaraday

this is the list of suspects i'm working within today. get crackalackin.
vanity. wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:20 pm i'll be around for 5 minutes. the wolf lynch + this spicy mechanic has revitalized my interest in the game
vanity. wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:26 pm i'm peacing in 5 minutes

i have work tomorrow but i should be active after around 2 pm eastern
by Elephant
Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:37 am
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
Replies: 11186
Views: 228000

I am the Elephant.

Doing a multi-quote ISO is such a copy&paste battle on this site that I can't be bothered doing it on the tablet.
by Elephant
Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:02 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
Replies: 11186
Views: 228000

I am the Elephant.

vanity just finished an 8000 posts per 3 days mafia on MU, and so did Creature, TrustworthyLiberal, Michelle, Evenstar, Jackofhearts2005, and iaafr. I expect this explains vanity's absence today.
by Elephant
Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:15 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
Replies: 11186
Views: 228000

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

vanity. wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:39 pm we need to turn this game around

elephant has no credibility in the village. them trying to make a case on me and push on me is asinine.
The level of politeness you're displaying is disappointing. I would have preferred to engage you directly, since you announced you'd be back, but you weren't. Being transparent about your times is towny, but looking as if you are transparent about your times and then not showing up is not. And you say you don't like playing twoi games at once, I don't think anyone forced you to sign up for two games at once?
We talked about how wolfy it is that Evenstar shows up 15 minutes to EoD and puts her vote on 112. I think it is wolfy that you renege on your commitment, but show up as soon as there are votes on you. You're unapologetic, as if it wasn't your choice to prefer playing that other game over this one. I'm not a fan of that.
by Elephant
Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:18 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
Replies: 11186
Views: 228000

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

vanity. wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:48 pm i need to tone down the aggression. i'm sorry, that was uncharacteristic of me
"i'm sorry my aggression makes me look bad." Is that your only thought?
by Elephant
Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:19 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
Replies: 11186
Views: 228000

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

vanity. wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:17 pm
Elephant wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:15 pm
vanity. wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:39 pm we need to turn this game around

elephant has no credibility in the village. them trying to make a case on me and push on me is asinine.
The level of politeness you're displaying is disappointing. I would have preferred to engage you directly, since you announced you'd be back, but you weren't. Being transparent about your times is towny, but looking as if you are transparent about your times and then not showing up is not. And you say you don't like playing twoi games at once, I don't think anyone forced you to sign up for two games at once?
We talked about how wolfy it is that Evenstar shows up 15 minutes to EoD and puts her vote on 112. I think it is wolfy that you renege on your commitment, but show up as soon as there are votes on you. You're unapologetic, as if it wasn't your choice to prefer playing that other game over this one. I'm not a fan of that.
i guess it wasn't a choice but i'm not very good at balancing 2 games at the same time. especially not with a mash.

the rudeness was unbecoming though
How was playing two games at once "not a choice"?
by Elephant
Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:21 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
Replies: 11186
Views: 228000

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

Benson wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:19 pm
Elephant wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:18 pm
vanity. wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:48 pm i need to tone down the aggression. i'm sorry, that was uncharacteristic of me
"i'm sorry my aggression makes me look bad." Is that your only thought?
That's kind of a misrepresentation tbh
He does not say "I am sorry I left you alone". He says "I am sorry I don't look like I normally do". At least, that is how I understand it. He does not address any of us.
by Elephant
Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:23 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
Replies: 11186
Views: 228000

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

Elephant wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:21 pm
Benson wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:19 pm
Elephant wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:18 pm
vanity. wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:48 pm i need to tone down the aggression. i'm sorry, that was uncharacteristic of me
"i'm sorry my aggression makes me look bad." Is that your only thought?
That's kind of a misrepresentation tbh
He does not say "I am sorry I left you alone". He says "I am sorry I don't look like I normally do". At least, that is how I understand it. He does not address any of us.
My problem with vanity flaking is not that it makes him look "uncharacteristic". If he apologizes for that, I don't care.
by Elephant
Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:28 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
Replies: 11186
Views: 228000

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

vanity. wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:53 pm
boo wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:48 pm Huh, well vanity seems to have gone full rage-mode over having votes which is reading way more cornered baddie than upset civ to me. I didn't find the cases compelling enough to consider a vote for him, but now I'm kind of inclined to.
lol.

i wouldn''t be upset at all if i wasn't actually being villagery. i've had a villagery game so far and plenty of people have noticed. it's just unfortunate that there's no one like that in this group.

also me raging like that is probably in both of my ranges but i think i would have more courtesy as a wolf overall
Your anger is uncharacteristic, but makes you towny. Way to double down on that. Wolves we both know go by "anger is towny". I didn't even push you over being away, it was a point in a list. Your self-conscious is showing.
by Elephant
Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:37 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
Replies: 11186
Views: 228000

Re: I am the Elephant.

vanity. wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:16 pm
Elephant wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:34 am I changed to the computer to do a proper multi-quote ISO. The takeaway:
- Vanity tunnels Juliets from the star, never re-evaluates
- vanity is quite self-conscious on how towny he's being
- vanity thinks Benson subtly shading him as a wolf, @Benson denies
- vanity stalls any initiative to introduce structured conversation
- vanity votes players pushing her: he votes me for suggesting that he could have engaged Jack instead of observing that no group talk was happeneing, and votes Michelle for pushing him over that unmotivated vote
- vanity's reads have very obvious strong player bias
- vanity attempts an in-thread ISO of Michelle
- vanity announces intent to "kill Drago" at -1:45, his reason on the actual vote is "don't want epi lynched"
- vanity establishes a D2 pool of suspects along his old, biased reads
- vanity skips a day
- Subjectively, vanity does not feel like the town!vanity from wildcards 1.

Actually, that's more than I remembered seeing. I'm less happy with this ISo than I am with Trustworthy Liberal's, because I can understand Trusrtworthy Liberal, but I do not understand this.
okay so i'm not going to address the quote wall that they concocted because it bores me.

again, i never reevaluate juliets? why is that wolfy? has juliets been villagery to you> if so, why? juliets game to me screams of caution. nothing she has done in my opinion is really sticking her neck out for the village at all. she has some decent content, but she reminds me of like... kristoph gavin, from the ace attorney series. so careful, so cautious, so meticulous. it gives me the heebie-jeebies.

i've addressed this, but i'm self-conscious as a villager. i even was in wc1, i'm pretty sure! i'm aware of villagery things to do as a villager, and so i do those villagery things to get townread. it's that simple. i'm actually more cautious of a villager, than as a wolf! but you can believe that if you'd like.

i don't understand the point you're making regarding benson. i thought i've been vocal about thinking benson was villagery at a certain point. he doesn't trust me, and that's fine. he's still a villager most likely.

OMGUS'ING IS LITERALLY BOTH MY WOLF GAME AND MY VILLAGER GAME, EVEN MORE SO MY VILLAGER GAME. let me bring you back to wc1. the first person i had a really strong wolf read on, was ccc. i proceeded to lead the village on ccc because i was that convinced he was a wolf. and reminder, ccc wasn't shy about their wolfread on myself as well! of course, he was town, but c'mon. this is not a point against me. at all.

okay, next point. my reads have a strong player bias? let me clue you in on something. a lot of the players in this game, are strong players. this is an invitational for crying out loud! if a lot of my reads are centered around stronger players, it's because a good bulk of the players in this game, are strong players. c'mon.

my in thread iso of michelle means nothing towards my alignment. moving on.

i will concede that my reasoning for pushing drago was more so because i didn't want epi to be lynched d1. but where's the problem in this? i'm a powerwolfer. just gonna tell you upfront. i would NOT want drago lynched d1, especially not when he's the godfather! what the fuck am i doing there if i'm a wolf? oh, and i don't like bussing. not to the extent that i would never do, but you should never assume i'm bussing in any scenario.

"old, biased reads." c'mon dude. i was just coming in at the beginning of the day. and, not all of my reads where biased! if i remember, i was v reading nutella and benson at the start. in this group, they were my most confident villagers. and if you remember, hyena was another villager read of mine. so if my reads are truly biased, why didn't i townread hyena at the beginning of the day? this attack doesn't work.

again, I SKIPPED A DAY BECAUSE I FORGOT ABOUT THE GAME AND WAS BUSY WITH ANOTHER. and i was exhausted for most of that day as well. bite me.

and above all else, this game is not me during champs. i don't have a ton of time nowadays. i work in retail, specifically docking and stocking. it's taxing. it's backbreaking. most days i wanna just nap after doing my job. and on top of that, i'm weak! i'm not a very strong person physically! i don't mind it, but it's not ideal. i had all the free time in the world during champs to post and be villagery and push my reads. i don't have that same time now. i admit that you don't have that context, but again, if i'm in the thread, i'm posting. i wasn't in the thread because i forgot about the game, occupied by another. and i don't do well playing 2 games at the same time.
You were so self-conscious, you saw benson wolf-reading you when he wasn't.
You don't understand about the bias, it is in your quote wall. You missed two days of discussion, we talked about this. Your counter-argument "my reads center around strong players" fails because of that, because my point is that you zero-to town ALL of them except 112, and have the low-hanging fruit in your scum reads. Which was my original point at the start of day that earned you my vote, before you disappeared.
Thread iso is anti-town, I'll not budge on that.
And you ignored Mac's initiative to make D1 more manageable.

"i will concede that my reasoning for pushing drago was more so because i didn't want epi to be lynched d1" -- And you'd be incorrect, because you wrote "let's kill drago" before Epi was a serious wagon--or am I mistaken?
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So, I went away, I announced I went away, and when I come back, suddenly I have two votes. What for? Why could you not talk to me while I was here?
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vanity. wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:40 pm
Elephant wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:39 pm So, I went away, I announced I went away, and when I come back, suddenly I have two votes. What for? Why could you not talk to me while I was here?
so i went away, and when i came back, suddenly i had 3 votes. what for? why could you not talk to me while i was here?

:p
Because you weren't here for 36+ hours.
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vanity. wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:42 pm also i'm pretty sure i was townreading almost everyone at some point during d1, remember making a post like that

i was struggling to find wolves because most people were appearing villagery to me. so in that case it's more of a townreading too many people rather than townreading specifically strong players
You posted a reads list. It is in the quote wall you were too lazy to read.
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vanity. wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:43 pm also what about mac's d1 thing? i tried showing up for the discussions or whatever they are and other people that weren't in my group weren't posting

and since i believe i was playing the mash at the time i just peaced
You didn't talk to Jack who was posting when you showed up, and when I pointed that out to you, you OMGUS voted me.
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Benson wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:44 pm
Elephant wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:39 pm So, I went away, I announced I went away, and when I come back, suddenly I have two votes. What for? Why could you not talk to me while I was here?
I assumed we'd talk when you got back? I still suspect your case against Vanity is a powerwolf attempt to mislynch a villager. Not that your case is bad, I just don't think it's substantial enough to think Vanity is the best choice here, given his involvement in lynching Drago.
As vanity says, I have no credibility. I do not deceive myself into thinking vanity will be lynched today, bias being what it is. But it's enough for them to be lynched eventually, if I am correct here.
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nutella wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:45 pm @Elephant explain to me why on Earth vanity's iso of Michelle was anti-town, I don't understand that take at all. Also, I think the non-participation in mac's group exercise is more town indicative than scum (scum would be happy to have a specific assignment to make it easier to look productive in thread whereas town want more freedom to express thoughts on whomever)
a) The thread was blowing up with 30 people as it is. Posting a piecewise ISO into the chaos is not helpful.
b) Posting a piecewise ISO does not make a good case that other players can read and be convinced. It makes the player who posts it look busy and towny, and it's less obvious if his thoughts don't really hang together to make a complete read.
c) In my limited experience as a mafia player, I have seen it only once, done by a wolf, who wanted to avoid doing a proper ISO.

Mac's exercise was designed to make the 30-player game more manageable, and vanity actively thwarted it by introdusing the notion that dates should be set for this activity, and then by using the groups to play "how many wolves in this group" which is just busywork looking towny that does not help solving.
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Benson wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:47 pm Update on TLib:
Spoiler: show
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Is he frozen, or just playing a mash somewhere else?
by Elephant
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I voted DFaraday because we're not resolving him at one post per day.
[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine
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vanity. wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:14 pm last thing i'll say because peacing for a bit is the one thing i'll give elephant is their case on me gives off... disappointment. disappointment about the way i'm playing, and how it's not villagery or up to snuff with my play in wc1. that i can understand. but it still feels just... like he's doing because he has to, that's still what bothers me i suppose
I'm doing it because you started the day setting up a LHF lynch, and then disappeared.
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vanity. wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:58 pm
Elephant wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:56 pm
vanity. wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:14 pm last thing i'll say because peacing for a bit is the one thing i'll give elephant is their case on me gives off... disappointment. disappointment about the way i'm playing, and how it's not villagery or up to snuff with my play in wc1. that i can understand. but it still feels just... like he's doing because he has to, that's still what bothers me i suppose
I'm doing it because you started the day setting up a LHF lynch, and then disappeared.
pssst, i'll let you in on a hint

i typically push on lhf because i think they're more statistically likely to contain wolves
Because LHF are more likely to rand wolf? How is that a thing in your world?
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nutella wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:17 pm Ugh rip guys and I'm not thrilled to just keep playing with the same sub group. Was hoping it would be switched up more.
It's not the same group, we lost Benson and gained Nanook, who I guess is conftown.
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nutella wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:22 pm So if you and Nanook died over there to "reawaken" here as it works in the movie, does that mean boo/df/Benson are in some other level or are they really dead???
Tony checked "dead" on the poll yesterday.
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I am the Elephant.

It seems best tonwait for Nanook to weigh in, but if the other group lynched Nova, that seems to have been a good idea which we should consider emulating? Unless we assume that the other group was as adept with our wagons as we were -- not a surprising occurrence given my prediction, by the way. LHF lynches tend to get directed by scum. Given that both wagons were town, we might need to look towards who set these up.
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nutella wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:26 pm
Elephant wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:24 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:22 pm So if you and Nanook died over there to "reawaken" here as it works in the movie, does that mean boo/df/Benson are in some other level or are they really dead???
Tony checked "dead" on the poll yesterday.
Right but he died before/or around the same time as the dream level split thing. I'm wondering if the people who died in our realm awoke in another, or if we're the top level dream
We have access to the level everyone started in, and our rules have not changed.
by Elephant
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juliets wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:33 pm
Elephant wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:31 pm It seems best tonwait for Nanook to weigh in, but if the other group lynched Nova, that seems to have been a good idea which we should consider emulating? Unless we assume that the other group was as adept with our wagons as we were -- not a surprising occurrence given my prediction, by the way. LHF lynches tend to get directed by scum. Given that both wagons were town, we might need to look towards who set these up.
What is LHF?
Specifically, in our case, I am referring to the box of five players that vanity set up yesterday.
by Elephant
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juliets wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:31 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:25 pm
Elephant wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:23 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:17 pm Ugh rip guys and I'm not thrilled to just keep playing with the same sub group. Was hoping it would be switched up more.
It's not the same group, we lost Benson and gained Nanook, who I guess is conftown.
Wait why
Because Ty says Nanook was NK'd. Though maybe that could have been a SK, but that would mean someone got blocked on the mafia team - I think.
N1, Tony and Texas were killed.
N2, DF and Benson were killed.
Occams razor would suggest that we have two killing powers in the midst of our small group. The DF kill feels town-aligned, the Benson kill does not.
by Elephant
Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:46 pm
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Elephant wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:07 am The Elephant brain take of today's events is depressing. We started off with vanity. suggesting to look at a group of 5 players only, those whom I have mentally dubbed The Expendables, and despite my protests, this is largely what we have been doing. The fruit of this effort leaves us no wiser than before. DFaraday is still absent. Boo acted as I did, and voted outside the box, but found no traction. Trustworthy Liberal stayed in character and stood up for himself. Long Con actually made a case inside the box, and we looked at it and said "meh". Juliets was Juliets, digging. Elephant was Elephant, seeds and all.

vanity. is absent. Long Con's D1 vote looks like a bus, but his rainbow reads already have Dragomir at the bottom. We are looking at the votes that were called out; Juliets, do you know if there were votes that had no call-outs? We have somehow been treading water all day, and I wonder why.

I am going to be absent later on as I need to be a Singing Elephant today. I hope to be back in time to maybe sling my vote somewhere else and not stay on my vanity wagon, and who knows if I'll ever have an opportunity for that pun again.
[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]

And then I came back, and Boo and DF were being wagoned. The poll is in the poll thread.
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nutella wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:45 pm Man I also think pawn is scum sure wish I could lynch him
Well, once they lynch him there, it looks like you can then lynch him here. :p
by Elephant
Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:55 pm
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I am the Elephant.

Ty4on wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:52 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:48 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:47 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:43 pm Someone wanna tag me with cliff notes about who was scummy yesterday here, cause uh....I’m not reading back
Lol like nobody tho. Maybe elephant or vanity but never both
There’s gotta be something scum in here though right.

Otherwise this is a fuckton of town.
If this continues I guess it’s possible the other thread never sends us any scum and we have to maybe no-lynch.

Would be quite strange tho if this group was pure to begin with
Maybe the other thread did send us scum; everyone is town if you ask them.
Nanook, was that a proper lynch, or a mislynch? What was nova scumread for?
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Ty4on wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:56 pm
Elephant wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:55 pm
Ty4on wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:52 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:48 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:47 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:43 pm Someone wanna tag me with cliff notes about who was scummy yesterday here, cause uh....I’m not reading back
Lol like nobody tho. Maybe elephant or vanity but never both
There’s gotta be something scum in here though right.

Otherwise this is a fuckton of town.
If this continues I guess it’s possible the other thread never sends us any scum and we have to maybe no-lynch.

Would be quite strange tho if this group was pure to begin with
Maybe the other thread did send us scum; everyone is town if you ask them.
Nanook, was that a proper lynch, or a mislynch? What was nova scumread for?
>:(
No offense intended, I am sorry.
by Elephant
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I am the sleeping Elephant.

It's midnight for me, see you tomorrow!
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I am the Elephant.

[quote=nutella post_id=563750 time=1572737158 user_id=262]
@Creature why aren't you scum

@Elephant why aren't you scum

I'ma start with a vote for one of you two probs
[/quote]

I am not scum because I am the subconscious aspect of elation, which I am not currently role-playing.
And because I am the Elephant.
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:03 pm
juliets wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:31 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:25 pm
Elephant wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:23 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:17 pm Ugh rip guys and I'm not thrilled to just keep playing with the same sub group. Was hoping it would be switched up more.
It's not the same group, we lost Benson and gained Nanook, who I guess is conftown.
Wait why
Because Ty says Nanook was NK'd. Though maybe that could have been a SK, but that would mean someone got blocked on the mafia team - I think.
Without full understanding of the mechanics I think mec locking me is suboptimal tbh.

That being said I should be widely townread for my D1 push on drago and my interactions with Nutella that led to that push starting.
Ok, let's un-confirm you. If you are the mafia night-kill, mafia could have killed one of their own to send here. If you are not the mafia night-kill, there is another killing power, which makes me feel we were short a body on N1. In that case, the mafia kill might have been blocked, or mafia kills do not send people here. Neither of these possibilities feels likely.
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nutella wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:11 pm
juliets wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:51 pm Most all of us were read as scum by some at some point in the day (nutella I think we all saw as town all the way through).
And Benson. He and I were both pretty clear of suspicion.

You, LC, and TL I have varying levels of concern about but after yesterday I think it's likely one of elephant or vanity is scum, maybe with TL also based on how that went down.
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:25 pm @Creature why aren't you scum

@Elephant why aren't you scum

I'ma start with a vote for one of you two probs
Why Creature?
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Elephant wrote: Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:11 am I have marked wildcards and finale players orange, other players in our group blue, and bolded everyone here.
Benson wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:08 pm img]https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-c ... g__700.jpg[/img]


As I'm writing this I may or may not be dead (Schrodinger joke here) but I'm fucking hyped about the state of things after that lynch. Like we got got got the Godfather on D1. There's no way the wolves didn't counter push that wagon so we have many juicy reads to be gleaned from that flip. Obviously, Nanook is not a wolf after that. 112 can be my best pal again. That entire wagon on Drago is almost green, I'm sure. And the CW's are probably riddled with wolves. Nova came out of that round looking like a wolf for the attempt to save Drago.

READS:


Strong town read

Nanook - Huge push against Drago. This doesn't happen if he's w/w.

112 - Spewed probable non-wolf by Drago: 112 also served as the CW that some wolves likely pushed to save Drago. 3P should remain a possibility, however.

Nutella - Involvement in Drago lynch is great.
The vote was fairly early on the wagon and a major contribution to the lynch. Her subsequent posts after the fact helped push the wagon along.

Town read/leans

Pawn - Big Drago vote.

vanity - Proponent and voter of the Drago wagon.

Juliets - Interactions with Drago suggest town. Her vote was fairly crucial in Drago's lynch and I don't see her as the type to bus like that.

Iaarf - Overall, had a villagery progression at EoD even though it did seem like he wanted 112 lynched over Drago, and almost made it happen.
Drago was hunting iaarf as a 3P candidate early on. This is typical wolf stuff when they no someone isn't a wolf, but may be 3P instead of a villager.

Hyena - I don't agree the wolf accusations. What I see is a villager with specific tactics to get reads and reactions that will help us.

Eva - I'm not sure where I stand on her. I was village reading her but after EoD she's lost some town equity. I'll have to re-evaluate.


PoE – towny

Master Radishes - He can have a little credit for switching to Drago, but he late on the wagon and MR is no enemy of bussing.

Long con - Idk, I just like him

Jack - I like Jack, but I want to call this TMI: viewtopic.php?f=260&t=1812&start=3350#p561129

Mac - He started the push for Epig at the same time the Drago wagon was taking off. It's concerning, however Nova tries to help Mac lynch Epi in a way I don't see w/w partners doing; and I'm already liking Nova as a wolf.

Spiny/boo - OK. He had some interactions with Drago that suggest they may not be w/w

TLib - He's saved by helping push Drago before it was a sure deal. If he's wolf, he could've just pushed 112 instead.

Epignosis

PoE - Null

Ladylambda
Quin
DFaraday
Rej
Dom
Michelle
sprityo

PoE - wolfy

Creature - I remember seeing his name at the bottom for most of EoD, but he wasn't posting as if he was a frozen wolf. Given the content I've seen from him, I don't see how he wouldn't be contributing at EoD, even if he wasn't caught up.

Elephant - Maybe I didn't find the mislynch seeds, but I'm still suspicious of him and his agenda. His EoD did nothing to elevate himself.


Wolf reads
Nova - Tried extensively to push away from the Drago lynch. Like his ISO is literally 50% defending Drago or trying to lynch a CW. Prime suspect today.

----------------------------


***After reading the kills****

Wtf, two of my wolf leans were killed. I'm not sure how that will affect the reads now.
The "good player bias" is apparent.
All of a sudden, everyone on the bottom end is here.
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I still do not feel good about vanity. I criticized his lynch box, and waited for vanity to appear at the time he said he would, but he did not, instead appearing only after three votes were placed. He did the minimum needed to brush off that case, which I am not happy about. Vanity seems to still not understand what strong player bias means.
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nutella wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:57 pm
juliets wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:50 pm @nutella did you see my questions to you? If you don't want to talk about both, maybe you could just talk about Elephant since you voted him.
I just feel like he's the most likely scum in this bunch rn, partially poe and partially his thread activity/pushes on d2 (and some on d1). Like in general he seems like he might have an agenda. Could be teamed with TL I guess. I will do more in depth research in a bit, see how I feel about him in relation to Drago and such.
Drago is my third cousin twice removed. Drago was no Elephant.
by Elephant
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[VOTE: Ty4on] aubergine
I'm sheeping Benson. Also, novaseline was lynched once already, and I don't like a stream of potential mafia trickling down on us. I don't want to lynch Creature. I have not examined Nova's ISO myself, but will do so now.
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Re: I am the Elephant.

Elephant wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:30 pm [VOTE: Ty4on] aubergine
I'm sheeping Benson. Also, novaseline was lynched once already, and I don't like a stream of potential mafia trickling down on us. I don't want to lynch Creature. I have not examined Nova's ISO myself, but will do so now.
Nova has a 40 post ISO, and these posts are quite short. Nova has laughably few interactions, seems to have been mostly absent, and votes Epignosis before settling on 112 in the final minutes. I need to examine why this made a full wolf read for Benson.
by Elephant
Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:15 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]

Benson wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:51 pm
Benson wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:48 pm
Creature wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:45 pm
My bum is on your lips wrote:Wolf reads
Nova - Tried extensively to push away from the Drago lynch. Like his ISO is literally 50% defending Drago or trying to lynch a CW. Prime suspect today.
I don't think that's necessarily scummy, could be just wrong townie. At least I'd expect scum to be more discreet unless I'm missing something.
Nova pings me so much because I don't understand his reasoning for being so firmly against the Dragomir wagon. It was like he was trying to get anyone (112 or Epignosis) lynched, as long as it wasn't Drag. Yes, this does seem strange for a wolf to do so blatantly, but it could have been because Drago had a power role and maybe he really wanted to preserve that?
This should say powerful role, not power role. I suppose the Godfather isn't as strong in games where you can't claim anything, however.
This is Benson's stance. I should examine whether "extensively" and "firmly" are warranted. Nova expressed town reads on both Drago and 112 before abandoning the Epignosis vote.
by Elephant
Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:22 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

novaselinenever wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:41 pm
nutella wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:31 pm
novaselinenever wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:23 pm
nutella wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:21 pm
nutella wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:03 pm Like I said earlier, I usually find Drago as a pretty strong townread early on when he's town (even when I mislynched him I had been townreading him for the first few days) and I haven't gotten that feeling at all here so my gut says he's likely scum.
novaselinenever
You had as scum in Dogs v Cat early on though, right? Also I'm more interested in something relating to the meat of his posts, so I can chew on that. He has plenty.
No that's what I'm referring to here I literally had a lock town read on him until after the Jay lynch/the first time you blocked me
I was referring to earlier in D1 when you were scum reading then you felt his sincerity after he got pushed, thing is he hasn't been around this game so maybe tht's why you're not getting that same vibe? It'd be neat to see him react to the wagon, he's pure af and stubborn as town lol.
I have discovered Nova's "firm" defense of Dragomir.
by Elephant
Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:42 pm
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I am the Elephant.

Reading novaselinenever encounters the same difficulty as feading any low-activity player: there defense of Drago feels unfounded, but they did not have time to read the ISO and may not have seen the full ISO. The thingbthat strikes me most is that this defense only appears after nutelly challenges nova, and there nova deflects with a counter-question at first:
novaselinenever wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:20 pm
nutella wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:19 pm
novaselinenever wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:18 pm Drago is Town here no?
No?
Why?
Considering that this quote is the start of a conversation that ended with the quote I reproduced in my previous posts, then the conversation flows like this:
- Nova townreads Drago with no context
- nutella challenges, calls Drago town
- Nova ignores the challenge, questions nutella
- nutella defends scumread of Drago
- Nova attacks scumread of Drago

Nova never gives any own reasoning, instead the conversation turns from to source of Nova's own read to the legitimacy of nutella's read. It culminates in an argument that strongly implies that Dragomir would appear as town if he were present, which he wasn't. This is a strong Dragomir defense that feels as if it was conjured up out of thin air. I believe that the other group may well have caught a wolf here.
by Elephant
Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:53 pm
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Long Con wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:40 pm Going through Elephant's posts from yesterday... he goes on and on about how vanity isn't the same as his town self, and it looks like nothing vanity does it right, and then takes a 90 degree turn and votes DFaraday because "he needs to be sorted".

Were you afraid to pull the trigger on vanity, El?
As I returned to my home and then to this game, I saw that I was voting vanity by myself. Unfortunately, it is impossible to lynch a player by yourself, so I had to choose an existing wagon. The DFaraday wagon seemed to be the more sensible one. As Boo showed more activity, I felt they would have been resolvable eventually. In retrospect, the fact that Boo had voted Hyena and vanity earlier in the day and did not go for an easy mislynch push should have showed them to be town.
by Elephant
Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:01 pm
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]

Long Con wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:44 pm
Elephant wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:31 pm It seems best tonwait for Nanook to weigh in, but if the other group lynched Nova, that seems to have been a good idea which we should consider emulating? Unless we assume that the other group was as adept with our wagons as we were -- not a surprising occurrence given my prediction, by the way. LHF lynches tend to get directed by scum. Given that both wagons were town, we might need to look towards who set these up.
Ten voters on two players. Who's more responsible, those who set it up, or those who finished it off? Maybe wolves were waiting in the wings to ensure a town lynch? Not to mention that the so-called "LHF group" were all involved in those votes as well, right?
It is immaterial who "finishes off" competing town/town wagons. The appearance of equal weight that was given to these wagons was probably instrumental in setting the scene for the DFaraday night kill. Or maybe the killer was convinced, as I was, that we would be better off with DFaraday resolved.

Regarding the "set-up", we have the special case of Mr Benson employing a questionnaire to choose the day's lynch candidates. As Mr Benson is now above suspicion, the immediate set-up of these wagons is impossible to attribute to any specific person.

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