I am really too paranoid for this, you know??? Especially in situations that can be anticipated by the mafia team, a townslip can be premeditated. But maybe I have not seen the same thing that you saw.
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- Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:05 am
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- Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:16 am
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I am the Elephant.
I would have liked to post a case on vanity. But all I have are a handful of self-conscious posts and the uncertain impression that I'm not seeing the same vanity. I recall from his Wildcards game.
- Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:07 am
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I am the Elephant.
The Elephant brain take of today's events is depressing. We started off with vanity. suggesting to look at a group of 5 players only, those whom I have mentally dubbed The Expendables, and despite my protests, this is largely what we have been doing. The fruit of this effort leaves us no wiser than before. DFaraday is still absent. Boo acted as I did, and voted outside the box, but found no traction. Trustworthy Liberal stayed in character and stood up for himself. Long Con actually made a case inside the box, and we looked at it and said "meh". Juliets was Juliets, digging. Elephant was Elephant, seeds and all.
vanity. is absent. Long Con's D1 vote looks like a bus, but his rainbow reads already have Dragomir at the bottom. We are looking at the votes that were called out; Juliets, do you know if there were votes that had no call-outs? We have somehow been treading water all day, and I wonder why.
I am going to be absent later on as I need to be a Singing Elephant today. I hope to be back in time to maybe sling my vote somewhere else and not stay on my vanity wagon, and who knows if I'll ever have an opportunity for that pun again.
vanity. is absent. Long Con's D1 vote looks like a bus, but his rainbow reads already have Dragomir at the bottom. We are looking at the votes that were called out; Juliets, do you know if there were votes that had no call-outs? We have somehow been treading water all day, and I wonder why.
I am going to be absent later on as I need to be a Singing Elephant today. I hope to be back in time to maybe sling my vote somewhere else and not stay on my vanity wagon, and who knows if I'll ever have an opportunity for that pun again.
- Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:11 am
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When I saw that tunnel on you in his ISO, I understood why he put you in the box with the rest of us, although you were on the "correct" wagon at lynchtime.juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:51 am I just finished vanity's iso and I didn't read anything that screams "town" at me like I thought I remembered. One thing I didn't like was when she (she is a she right?) used some vague words like "stiff" and "conservative" to define me, offered to bring up some posts to someone as examples, but then when I asked for examples she wouldn't do it. I'm not calling her scum but my lean on her is more "slightly town" than definitively town.
- Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:25 am
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You misunderstand me. I believe your ISO is fine. However, vanity. being tunneled explains his suspicion.juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:18 amShit he's a he. Sorry vanity!Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:11 amWhen I saw that tunnel on you in his ISO, I understood why he put you in the box with the rest of us, although you were on the "correct" wagon at lynchtime.juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:51 am I just finished vanity's iso and I didn't read anything that screams "town" at me like I thought I remembered. One thing I didn't like was when she (she is a she right?) used some vague words like "stiff" and "conservative" to define me, offered to bring up some posts to someone as examples, but then when I asked for examples she wouldn't do it. I'm not calling her scum but my lean on her is more "slightly town" than definitively town.
Ok so you saw in my posts why he was calling me stiff and conservative - good to know. I just don't really get why that equals scum, but we come from different cultures so I have to keep that in mind.
- Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:27 am
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Thank you! It's possibly I have a faulty memory in that matter, then; I thought somone else had mentioned that there were uncalled votes on the poll.juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:23 amElephant, unfortunately I do not know if there were votes that weren't called out except for my own vote where I later said "I forgot my call out" and did it in the thread. There were a couple of votes (vanity was one I remember) where the person called the vote out but didn't vote in the poll.Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:07 am The Elephant brain take of today's events is depressing. We started off with vanity. suggesting to look at a group of 5 players only, those whom I have mentally dubbed The Expendables, and despite my protests, this is largely what we have been doing. The fruit of this effort leaves us no wiser than before. DFaraday is still absent. Boo acted as I did, and voted outside the box, but found no traction. Trustworthy Liberal stayed in character and stood up for himself. Long Con actually made a case inside the box, and we looked at it and said "meh". Juliets was Juliets, digging. Elephant was Elephant, seeds and all.
vanity. is absent. Long Con's D1 vote looks like a bus, but his rainbow reads already have Dragomir at the bottom. We are looking at the votes that were called out; Juliets, do you know if there were votes that had no call-outs? We have somehow been treading water all day, and I wonder why.
I am going to be absent later on as I need to be a Singing Elephant today. I hope to be back in time to maybe sling my vote somewhere else and not stay on my vanity wagon, and who knows if I'll ever have an opportunity for that pun again.
The major wagon tallies came out right in the end in my Oct. 29 vote details so I felt like everyone had called out their vote on that day at least. (I didn't bother checking the tallies on the people who had 1 or maybe 2 votes.)
- Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:34 am
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I am the Elephant.
I changed to the computer to do a proper multi-quote ISO. The takeaway:
- Vanity tunnels Juliets from the star, never re-evaluates
- vanity is quite self-conscious on how towny he's being
- vanity thinks Benson subtly shading him as a wolf, [mention]Benson [/mention]denies
- vanity stalls any initiative to introduce structured conversation
- vanity votes players pushing her: he votes me for suggesting that he could have engaged Jack instead of observing that no group talk was happeneing, and votes Michelle for pushing him over that unmotivated vote
- vanity's reads have very obvious strong player bias
- vanity attempts an in-thread ISO of Michelle
- vanity announces intent to "kill Drago" at -1:45, his reason on the actual vote is "don't want epi lynched"
- vanity establishes a D2 pool of suspects along his old, biased reads
- vanity skips a day
- Subjectively, vanity does not feel like the town!vanity from wildcards 1.
Actually, that's more than I remembered seeing. I'm less happy with this ISo than I am with Trustworthy Liberal's, because I can understand Trusrtworthy Liberal, but I do not understand this.
- Vanity tunnels Juliets from the star, never re-evaluates
- vanity is quite self-conscious on how towny he's being
- vanity thinks Benson subtly shading him as a wolf, [mention]Benson [/mention]denies
- vanity stalls any initiative to introduce structured conversation
- vanity votes players pushing her: he votes me for suggesting that he could have engaged Jack instead of observing that no group talk was happeneing, and votes Michelle for pushing him over that unmotivated vote
- vanity's reads have very obvious strong player bias
- vanity attempts an in-thread ISO of Michelle
- vanity announces intent to "kill Drago" at -1:45, his reason on the actual vote is "don't want epi lynched"
- vanity establishes a D2 pool of suspects along his old, biased reads
- vanity skips a day
- Subjectively, vanity does not feel like the town!vanity from wildcards 1.
Actually, that's more than I remembered seeing. I'm less happy with this ISo than I am with Trustworthy Liberal's, because I can understand Trusrtworthy Liberal, but I do not understand this.
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- Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:37 am
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I am the Elephant.
Doing a multi-quote ISO is such a copy&paste battle on this site that I can't be bothered doing it on the tablet.
- Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:02 pm
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I am the Elephant.
vanity just finished an 8000 posts per 3 days mafia on MU, and so did Creature, TrustworthyLiberal, Michelle, Evenstar, Jackofhearts2005, and iaafr. I expect this explains vanity's absence today.
- Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:15 pm
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The level of politeness you're displaying is disappointing. I would have preferred to engage you directly, since you announced you'd be back, but you weren't. Being transparent about your times is towny, but looking as if you are transparent about your times and then not showing up is not. And you say you don't like playing twoi games at once, I don't think anyone forced you to sign up for two games at once?
We talked about how wolfy it is that Evenstar shows up 15 minutes to EoD and puts her vote on 112. I think it is wolfy that you renege on your commitment, but show up as soon as there are votes on you. You're unapologetic, as if it wasn't your choice to prefer playing that other game over this one. I'm not a fan of that.
- Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:18 pm
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- Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:19 pm
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How was playing two games at once "not a choice"?vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:17 pmi guess it wasn't a choice but i'm not very good at balancing 2 games at the same time. especially not with a mash.Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:15 pmThe level of politeness you're displaying is disappointing. I would have preferred to engage you directly, since you announced you'd be back, but you weren't. Being transparent about your times is towny, but looking as if you are transparent about your times and then not showing up is not. And you say you don't like playing twoi games at once, I don't think anyone forced you to sign up for two games at once?
We talked about how wolfy it is that Evenstar shows up 15 minutes to EoD and puts her vote on 112. I think it is wolfy that you renege on your commitment, but show up as soon as there are votes on you. You're unapologetic, as if it wasn't your choice to prefer playing that other game over this one. I'm not a fan of that.
the rudeness was unbecoming though
- Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:21 pm
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- Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:23 pm
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My problem with vanity flaking is not that it makes him look "uncharacteristic". If he apologizes for that, I don't care.
- Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:28 pm
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Your anger is uncharacteristic, but makes you towny. Way to double down on that. Wolves we both know go by "anger is towny". I didn't even push you over being away, it was a point in a list. Your self-conscious is showing.vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:53 pmlol.
i wouldn''t be upset at all if i wasn't actually being villagery. i've had a villagery game so far and plenty of people have noticed. it's just unfortunate that there's no one like that in this group.
also me raging like that is probably in both of my ranges but i think i would have more courtesy as a wolf overall
- Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:37 pm
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Re: I am the Elephant.
You were so self-conscious, you saw benson wolf-reading you when he wasn't.vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:16 pmokay so i'm not going to address the quote wall that they concocted because it bores me.Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:34 am I changed to the computer to do a proper multi-quote ISO. The takeaway:
- Vanity tunnels Juliets from the star, never re-evaluates
- vanity is quite self-conscious on how towny he's being
- vanity thinks Benson subtly shading him as a wolf, @Benson denies
- vanity stalls any initiative to introduce structured conversation
- vanity votes players pushing her: he votes me for suggesting that he could have engaged Jack instead of observing that no group talk was happeneing, and votes Michelle for pushing him over that unmotivated vote
- vanity's reads have very obvious strong player bias
- vanity attempts an in-thread ISO of Michelle
- vanity announces intent to "kill Drago" at -1:45, his reason on the actual vote is "don't want epi lynched"
- vanity establishes a D2 pool of suspects along his old, biased reads
- vanity skips a day
- Subjectively, vanity does not feel like the town!vanity from wildcards 1.
Actually, that's more than I remembered seeing. I'm less happy with this ISo than I am with Trustworthy Liberal's, because I can understand Trusrtworthy Liberal, but I do not understand this.
again, i never reevaluate juliets? why is that wolfy? has juliets been villagery to you> if so, why? juliets game to me screams of caution. nothing she has done in my opinion is really sticking her neck out for the village at all. she has some decent content, but she reminds me of like... kristoph gavin, from the ace attorney series. so careful, so cautious, so meticulous. it gives me the heebie-jeebies.
i've addressed this, but i'm self-conscious as a villager. i even was in wc1, i'm pretty sure! i'm aware of villagery things to do as a villager, and so i do those villagery things to get townread. it's that simple. i'm actually more cautious of a villager, than as a wolf! but you can believe that if you'd like.
i don't understand the point you're making regarding benson. i thought i've been vocal about thinking benson was villagery at a certain point. he doesn't trust me, and that's fine. he's still a villager most likely.
OMGUS'ING IS LITERALLY BOTH MY WOLF GAME AND MY VILLAGER GAME, EVEN MORE SO MY VILLAGER GAME. let me bring you back to wc1. the first person i had a really strong wolf read on, was ccc. i proceeded to lead the village on ccc because i was that convinced he was a wolf. and reminder, ccc wasn't shy about their wolfread on myself as well! of course, he was town, but c'mon. this is not a point against me. at all.
okay, next point. my reads have a strong player bias? let me clue you in on something. a lot of the players in this game, are strong players. this is an invitational for crying out loud! if a lot of my reads are centered around stronger players, it's because a good bulk of the players in this game, are strong players. c'mon.
my in thread iso of michelle means nothing towards my alignment. moving on.
i will concede that my reasoning for pushing drago was more so because i didn't want epi to be lynched d1. but where's the problem in this? i'm a powerwolfer. just gonna tell you upfront. i would NOT want drago lynched d1, especially not when he's the godfather! what the fuck am i doing there if i'm a wolf? oh, and i don't like bussing. not to the extent that i would never do, but you should never assume i'm bussing in any scenario.
"old, biased reads." c'mon dude. i was just coming in at the beginning of the day. and, not all of my reads where biased! if i remember, i was v reading nutella and benson at the start. in this group, they were my most confident villagers. and if you remember, hyena was another villager read of mine. so if my reads are truly biased, why didn't i townread hyena at the beginning of the day? this attack doesn't work.
again, I SKIPPED A DAY BECAUSE I FORGOT ABOUT THE GAME AND WAS BUSY WITH ANOTHER. and i was exhausted for most of that day as well. bite me.
and above all else, this game is not me during champs. i don't have a ton of time nowadays. i work in retail, specifically docking and stocking. it's taxing. it's backbreaking. most days i wanna just nap after doing my job. and on top of that, i'm weak! i'm not a very strong person physically! i don't mind it, but it's not ideal. i had all the free time in the world during champs to post and be villagery and push my reads. i don't have that same time now. i admit that you don't have that context, but again, if i'm in the thread, i'm posting. i wasn't in the thread because i forgot about the game, occupied by another. and i don't do well playing 2 games at the same time.
You don't understand about the bias, it is in your quote wall. You missed two days of discussion, we talked about this. Your counter-argument "my reads center around strong players" fails because of that, because my point is that you zero-to town ALL of them except 112, and have the low-hanging fruit in your scum reads. Which was my original point at the start of day that earned you my vote, before you disappeared.
Thread iso is anti-town, I'll not budge on that.
And you ignored Mac's initiative to make D1 more manageable.
"i will concede that my reasoning for pushing drago was more so because i didn't want epi to be lynched d1" -- And you'd be incorrect, because you wrote "let's kill drago" before Epi was a serious wagon--or am I mistaken?
- Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:39 pm
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So, I went away, I announced I went away, and when I come back, suddenly I have two votes. What for? Why could you not talk to me while I was here?
- Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:44 pm
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- Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:44 pm
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You posted a reads list. It is in the quote wall you were too lazy to read.vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:42 pm also i'm pretty sure i was townreading almost everyone at some point during d1, remember making a post like that
i was struggling to find wolves because most people were appearing villagery to me. so in that case it's more of a townreading too many people rather than townreading specifically strong players
- Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:45 pm
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You didn't talk to Jack who was posting when you showed up, and when I pointed that out to you, you OMGUS voted me.
- Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:47 pm
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As vanity says, I have no credibility. I do not deceive myself into thinking vanity will be lynched today, bias being what it is. But it's enough for them to be lynched eventually, if I am correct here.Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:44 pmI assumed we'd talk when you got back? I still suspect your case against Vanity is a powerwolf attempt to mislynch a villager. Not that your case is bad, I just don't think it's substantial enough to think Vanity is the best choice here, given his involvement in lynching Drago.
- Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:51 pm
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a) The thread was blowing up with 30 people as it is. Posting a piecewise ISO into the chaos is not helpful.nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:45 pm @Elephant explain to me why on Earth vanity's iso of Michelle was anti-town, I don't understand that take at all. Also, I think the non-participation in mac's group exercise is more town indicative than scum (scum would be happy to have a specific assignment to make it easier to look productive in thread whereas town want more freedom to express thoughts on whomever)
b) Posting a piecewise ISO does not make a good case that other players can read and be convinced. It makes the player who posts it look busy and towny, and it's less obvious if his thoughts don't really hang together to make a complete read.
c) In my limited experience as a mafia player, I have seen it only once, done by a wolf, who wanted to avoid doing a proper ISO.
Mac's exercise was designed to make the 30-player game more manageable, and vanity actively thwarted it by introdusing the notion that dates should be set for this activity, and then by using the groups to play "how many wolves in this group" which is just busywork looking towny that does not help solving.
- Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:52 pm
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- Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:54 pm
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I voted DFaraday because we're not resolving him at one post per day.
[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine
[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine
- Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:56 pm
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I'm doing it because you started the day setting up a LHF lynch, and then disappeared.vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:14 pm last thing i'll say because peacing for a bit is the one thing i'll give elephant is their case on me gives off... disappointment. disappointment about the way i'm playing, and how it's not villagery or up to snuff with my play in wc1. that i can understand. but it still feels just... like he's doing because he has to, that's still what bothers me i suppose
- Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:59 pm
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Because LHF are more likely to rand wolf? How is that a thing in your world?vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:58 pmpssst, i'll let you in on a hintElephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:56 pmI'm doing it because you started the day setting up a LHF lynch, and then disappeared.vanity. wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:14 pm last thing i'll say because peacing for a bit is the one thing i'll give elephant is their case on me gives off... disappointment. disappointment about the way i'm playing, and how it's not villagery or up to snuff with my play in wc1. that i can understand. but it still feels just... like he's doing because he has to, that's still what bothers me i suppose
i typically push on lhf because i think they're more statistically likely to contain wolves
- Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:23 pm
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- Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:24 pm
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- Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:31 pm
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I am the Elephant.
It seems best tonwait for Nanook to weigh in, but if the other group lynched Nova, that seems to have been a good idea which we should consider emulating? Unless we assume that the other group was as adept with our wagons as we were -- not a surprising occurrence given my prediction, by the way. LHF lynches tend to get directed by scum. Given that both wagons were town, we might need to look towards who set these up.
- Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:34 pm
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We have access to the level everyone started in, and our rules have not changed.
- Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:36 pm
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Specifically, in our case, I am referring to the box of five players that vanity set up yesterday.juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:33 pmWhat is LHF?Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:31 pm It seems best tonwait for Nanook to weigh in, but if the other group lynched Nova, that seems to have been a good idea which we should consider emulating? Unless we assume that the other group was as adept with our wagons as we were -- not a surprising occurrence given my prediction, by the way. LHF lynches tend to get directed by scum. Given that both wagons were town, we might need to look towards who set these up.
- Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:39 pm
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N1, Tony and Texas were killed.
N2, DF and Benson were killed.
Occams razor would suggest that we have two killing powers in the midst of our small group. The DF kill feels town-aligned, the Benson kill does not.
- Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:46 pm
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[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:07 am The Elephant brain take of today's events is depressing. We started off with vanity. suggesting to look at a group of 5 players only, those whom I have mentally dubbed The Expendables, and despite my protests, this is largely what we have been doing. The fruit of this effort leaves us no wiser than before. DFaraday is still absent. Boo acted as I did, and voted outside the box, but found no traction. Trustworthy Liberal stayed in character and stood up for himself. Long Con actually made a case inside the box, and we looked at it and said "meh". Juliets was Juliets, digging. Elephant was Elephant, seeds and all.
vanity. is absent. Long Con's D1 vote looks like a bus, but his rainbow reads already have Dragomir at the bottom. We are looking at the votes that were called out; Juliets, do you know if there were votes that had no call-outs? We have somehow been treading water all day, and I wonder why.
I am going to be absent later on as I need to be a Singing Elephant today. I hope to be back in time to maybe sling my vote somewhere else and not stay on my vanity wagon, and who knows if I'll ever have an opportunity for that pun again.
And then I came back, and Boo and DF were being wagoned. The poll is in the poll thread.
- Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:48 pm
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- Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:55 pm
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I am the Elephant.
Maybe the other thread did send us scum; everyone is town if you ask them.Ty4on wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:52 pmIf this continues I guess it’s possible the other thread never sends us any scum and we have to maybe no-lynch.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:48 pmThere’s gotta be something scum in here though right.nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:47 pmLol like nobody tho. Maybe elephant or vanity but never bothNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:43 pm Someone wanna tag me with cliff notes about who was scummy yesterday here, cause uh....I’m not reading back
Otherwise this is a fuckton of town.
Would be quite strange tho if this group was pure to begin with
Nanook, was that a proper lynch, or a mislynch? What was nova scumread for?
- Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:00 pm
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Re: I am the Elephant.
No offense intended, I am sorry.Ty4on wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:56 pm>:(Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:55 pmMaybe the other thread did send us scum; everyone is town if you ask them.Ty4on wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:52 pmIf this continues I guess it’s possible the other thread never sends us any scum and we have to maybe no-lynch.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:48 pmThere’s gotta be something scum in here though right.nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:47 pmLol like nobody tho. Maybe elephant or vanity but never bothNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:43 pm Someone wanna tag me with cliff notes about who was scummy yesterday here, cause uh....I’m not reading back
Otherwise this is a fuckton of town.
Would be quite strange tho if this group was pure to begin with
Nanook, was that a proper lynch, or a mislynch? What was nova scumread for?
- Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:02 pm
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I am the sleeping Elephant.
It's midnight for me, see you tomorrow!
- Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:07 pm
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I am the Elephant.
[quote=nutella post_id=563750 time=1572737158 user_id=262]
@Creature why aren't you scum
@Elephant why aren't you scum
I'ma start with a vote for one of you two probs
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I am not scum because I am the subconscious aspect of elation, which I am not currently role-playing.
And because I am the Elephant.
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@Creature why aren't you scum
@Elephant why aren't you scum
I'ma start with a vote for one of you two probs
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I am not scum because I am the subconscious aspect of elation, which I am not currently role-playing.
And because I am the Elephant.
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- Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:19 pm
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I am the Elephant.
Ok, let's un-confirm you. If you are the mafia night-kill, mafia could have killed one of their own to send here. If you are not the mafia night-kill, there is another killing power, which makes me feel we were short a body on N1. In that case, the mafia kill might have been blocked, or mafia kills do not send people here. Neither of these possibilities feels likely.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:03 pmWithout full understanding of the mechanics I think mec locking me is suboptimal tbh.
That being said I should be widely townread for my D1 push on drago and my interactions with Nutella that led to that push starting.
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I am the Elephant.
- Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:55 pm
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]
All of a sudden, everyone on the bottom end is here.Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:11 am I have marked wildcards and finale players orange, other players in our group blue, and bolded everyone here.The "good player bias" is apparent.Benson wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:08 pm img]https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-c ... g__700.jpg[/img]
As I'm writing this I may or may not be dead (Schrodinger joke here) but I'm fucking hyped about the state of things after that lynch. Like we got got got the Godfather on D1. There's no way the wolves didn't counter push that wagon so we have many juicy reads to be gleaned from that flip. Obviously, Nanook is not a wolf after that. 112 can be my best pal again. That entire wagon on Drago is almost green, I'm sure. And the CW's are probably riddled with wolves. Nova came out of that round looking like a wolf for the attempt to save Drago.
READS:
Strong town read
Nanook - Huge push against Drago. This doesn't happen if he's w/w.
112 - Spewed probable non-wolf by Drago:112 also served as the CW that some wolves likely pushed to save Drago. 3P should remain a possibility, however.Spoiler: show
Nutella - Involvement in Drago lynch is great.
The vote was fairly early on the wagon and a major contribution to the lynch. Her subsequent posts after the fact helped push the wagon along.
Town read/leans
Pawn - Big Drago vote.
vanity - Proponent and voter of the Drago wagon.
Juliets - Interactions with Drago suggest town. Her vote was fairly crucial in Drago's lynch and I don't see her as the type to bus like that.
Iaarf - Overall, had a villagery progression at EoD even though it did seem like he wanted 112 lynched over Drago, and almost made it happen.
Drago was hunting iaarf as a 3P candidate early on. This is typical wolf stuff when they no someone isn't a wolf, but may be 3P instead of a villager.
Hyena - I don't agree the wolf accusations. What I see is a villager with specific tactics to get reads and reactions that will help us.
Eva - I'm not sure where I stand on her. I was village reading her but after EoD she's lost some town equity. I'll have to re-evaluate.
PoE – towny
Master Radishes - He can have a little credit for switching to Drago, but he late on the wagon and MR is no enemy of bussing.
Long con - Idk, I just like him
Jack - I like Jack, but I want to call this TMI: viewtopic.php?f=260&t=1812&start=3350#p561129
Mac - He started the push for Epig at the same time the Drago wagon was taking off. It's concerning, however Nova tries to help Mac lynch Epi in a way I don't see w/w partners doing; and I'm already liking Nova as a wolf.
Spiny/boo - OK. He had some interactions with Drago that suggest they may not be w/w
TLib - He's saved by helping push Drago before it was a sure deal. If he's wolf, he could've just pushed 112 instead.
Epignosis
PoE - Null
Ladylambda
Quin
DFaraday
Rej
Dom
Michelle
sprityo
PoE - wolfy
Creature - I remember seeing his name at the bottom for most of EoD, but he wasn't posting as if he was a frozen wolf. Given the content I've seen from him, I don't see how he wouldn't be contributing at EoD, even if he wasn't caught up.
Elephant - Maybe I didn't find the mislynch seeds, but I'm still suspicious of him and his agenda. His EoD did nothing to elevate himself.
Wolf reads
Nova - Tried extensively to push away from the Drago lynch. Like his ISO is literally 50% defending Drago or trying to lynch a CW. Prime suspect today.
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***After reading the kills****
Wtf, two of my wolf leans were killed. I'm not sure how that will affect the reads now.
- Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:06 pm
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I am the Elephant.
I still do not feel good about vanity. I criticized his lynch box, and waited for vanity to appear at the time he said he would, but he did not, instead appearing only after three votes were placed. He did the minimum needed to brush off that case, which I am not happy about. Vanity seems to still not understand what strong player bias means.
- Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:15 pm
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]
Drago is my third cousin twice removed. Drago was no Elephant.nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:57 pmI just feel like he's the most likely scum in this bunch rn, partially poe and partially his thread activity/pushes on d2 (and some on d1). Like in general he seems like he might have an agenda. Could be teamed with TL I guess. I will do more in depth research in a bit, see how I feel about him in relation to Drago and such.
- Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:30 pm
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I am the Elephant.
[VOTE:
Ty4on] aubergine
I'm sheeping Benson. Also, novaseline was lynched once already, and I don't like a stream of potential mafia trickling down on us. I don't want to lynch Creature. I have not examined Nova's ISO myself, but will do so now.
I'm sheeping Benson. Also, novaseline was lynched once already, and I don't like a stream of potential mafia trickling down on us. I don't want to lynch Creature. I have not examined Nova's ISO myself, but will do so now.
- Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:43 pm
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Re: I am the Elephant.
Nova has a 40 post ISO, and these posts are quite short. Nova has laughably few interactions, seems to have been mostly absent, and votes Epignosis before settling on 112 in the final minutes. I need to examine why this made a full wolf read for Benson.
- Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:15 pm
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 2]
This is Benson's stance. I should examine whether "extensively" and "firmly" are warranted. Nova expressed town reads on both Drago and 112 before abandoning the Epignosis vote.Benson wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:51 pmThis should say powerful role, not power role. I suppose the Godfather isn't as strong in games where you can't claim anything, however.Benson wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:48 pmNova pings me so much because I don't understand his reasoning for being so firmly against the Dragomir wagon. It was like he was trying to get anyone (112 or Epignosis) lynched, as long as it wasn't Drag. Yes, this does seem strange for a wolf to do so blatantly, but it could have been because Drago had a power role and maybe he really wanted to preserve that?Creature wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:45 pmI don't think that's necessarily scummy, could be just wrong townie. At least I'd expect scum to be more discreet unless I'm missing something.My bum is on your lips wrote:Wolf reads
Nova - Tried extensively to push away from the Drago lynch. Like his ISO is literally 50% defending Drago or trying to lynch a CW. Prime suspect today.
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]
I have discovered Nova's "firm" defense of Dragomir.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:41 pmI was referring to earlier in D1 when you were scum reading then you felt his sincerity after he got pushed, thing is he hasn't been around this game so maybe tht's why you're not getting that same vibe? It'd be neat to see him react to the wagon, he's pure af and stubborn as town lol.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:31 pmNo that's what I'm referring to here I literally had a lock town read on him until after the Jay lynch/the first time you blocked menovaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:23 pmYou had as scum in Dogs v Cat early on though, right? Also I'm more interested in something relating to the meat of his posts, so I can chew on that. He has plenty.
- Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:42 pm
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I am the Elephant.
Reading novaselinenever encounters the same difficulty as feading any low-activity player: there defense of Drago feels unfounded, but they did not have time to read the ISO and may not have seen the full ISO. The thingbthat strikes me most is that this defense only appears after nutelly challenges nova, and there nova deflects with a counter-question at first:
- Nova townreads Drago with no context
- nutella challenges, calls Drago town
- Nova ignores the challenge, questions nutella
- nutella defends scumread of Drago
- Nova attacks scumread of Drago
Nova never gives any own reasoning, instead the conversation turns from to source of Nova's own read to the legitimacy of nutella's read. It culminates in an argument that strongly implies that Dragomir would appear as town if he were present, which he wasn't. This is a strong Dragomir defense that feels as if it was conjured up out of thin air. I believe that the other group may well have caught a wolf here.
Considering that this quote is the start of a conversation that ended with the quote I reproduced in my previous posts, then the conversation flows like this:
- Nova townreads Drago with no context
- nutella challenges, calls Drago town
- Nova ignores the challenge, questions nutella
- nutella defends scumread of Drago
- Nova attacks scumread of Drago
Nova never gives any own reasoning, instead the conversation turns from to source of Nova's own read to the legitimacy of nutella's read. It culminates in an argument that strongly implies that Dragomir would appear as town if he were present, which he wasn't. This is a strong Dragomir defense that feels as if it was conjured up out of thin air. I believe that the other group may well have caught a wolf here.
- Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:53 pm
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]
As I returned to my home and then to this game, I saw that I was voting vanity by myself. Unfortunately, it is impossible to lynch a player by yourself, so I had to choose an existing wagon. The DFaraday wagon seemed to be the more sensible one. As Boo showed more activity, I felt they would have been resolvable eventually. In retrospect, the fact that Boo had voted Hyena and vanity earlier in the day and did not go for an easy mislynch push should have showed them to be town.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:40 pm Going through Elephant's posts from yesterday... he goes on and on about how vanity isn't the same as his town self, and it looks like nothing vanity does it right, and then takes a 90 degree turn and votes DFaraday because "he needs to be sorted".
Were you afraid to pull the trigger on vanity, El?
- Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:01 pm
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 3]
It is immaterial who "finishes off" competing town/town wagons. The appearance of equal weight that was given to these wagons was probably instrumental in setting the scene for the DFaraday night kill. Or maybe the killer was convinced, as I was, that we would be better off with DFaraday resolved.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:44 pmTen voters on two players. Who's more responsible, those who set it up, or those who finished it off? Maybe wolves were waiting in the wings to ensure a town lynch? Not to mention that the so-called "LHF group" were all involved in those votes as well, right?Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:31 pm It seems best tonwait for Nanook to weigh in, but if the other group lynched Nova, that seems to have been a good idea which we should consider emulating? Unless we assume that the other group was as adept with our wagons as we were -- not a surprising occurrence given my prediction, by the way. LHF lynches tend to get directed by scum. Given that both wagons were town, we might need to look towards who set these up.
Regarding the "set-up", we have the special case of Mr Benson employing a questionnaire to choose the day's lynch candidates. As Mr Benson is now above suspicion, the immediate set-up of these wagons is impossible to attribute to any specific person.