The Syndicate

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:28 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:23 am

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:49 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:22 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:29 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:16 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:30 pm Yeah you guys should D1 a new player cause they’ll be harder to read!

Wait....

Epignosis then?

Fine with me. I'm not bad, but there's no way I'm going to keep up with this.

I am awake and picking up where I left off last night. [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine for trying reverse pysychology, and a revenge vote on Hyena. Looking at the poll, I anticipate my vote may change during the next 600 posts of catching up.

LIke, why say the last part? Wolves so often feel the need to tack on additional information about hwo they are going to vote.

I mention not being caught up because I want to be transparent about the state of my mind, and I see the need for transparency since the original votes on Epignosis have gone elsewhere, and I have not. I had hoped to avoid ill-considered cases on me. Judge for yourself how successful that was.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:37 am actually, let's just cut off the infected part while it's early.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

You have no case and no investigation, merely pressure. Why do you do it?

Unfortunately I can't find any more votes in that "expand view" feature, although I know iaafr was just sheeping 112, and Nanook seems to have a blank vote. I'll go back to catching up until someone actually quotes or mentions me, ok?

Yeah, all fair.

This wasn't directed at me but I think votes for merely pressure are acceptable strategies.

I do not understand how mere pressure is a strategy if it has no goal. If there is no goal, how can you have a strategy?
A blank vote says, "I scumread this person, but I do not want to investigate them, engage them, or convince anyone else, and while I feel this scum read is important, I will not share my thought process". It is like playing the game and not playing it, simultaneously.

[mention]Benson[/mention] [mention]Master Radishes[/mention]
Could you please give me your opinions on iaafr and 112? I have read up to 1500, and you seem connected. It has also caught my attention that three of you have recently voted me, and from the 1500 mindset, this occurence feels strange.

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:57 am @Benson @Master Radishes
Could you please give me your opinions on iaafr and 112? I have read up to 1500, and you seem connected. It has also caught my attention that three of you have recently voted me, and from the 1500 mindset, this occurence feels strange.

Please quote or mention, I am still catching up!

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:22 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:29 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:16 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:30 pm Yeah you guys should D1 a new player cause they’ll be harder to read!

Wait....

Epignosis then?

Fine with me. I'm not bad, but there's no way I'm going to keep up with this.

I am awake and picking up where I left off last night. [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine for trying reverse pysychology, and a revenge vote on Hyena. Looking at the poll, I anticipate my vote may change during the next 600 posts of catching up.

I took longer too catch up than I can afford.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:05 am we must kill the elephant before his dark spiritual energies corrupt our souls

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:51 pm I really wanted to have a fun game here and being insulted and tunneled doesn't really jive with that so I'm gonna just post gifs and be cheerleader til the wheels fall off. If you accuse me for the foreseeable future I will reply with wet fart noises.

The farts were boring because they were not your own.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:51 pm Think I figured out how to vote, guessing it’s thay poll. That’s kinda janky but I can get with it.

I RNGed 5 so I voted dom because he’s 5th down. #ElliStyleReadsAreRandom

Nanook creates the impression that he is by himself with his emphasis on being "self sufficient": he figured out the poll, but not the vote tags, and by this we see that he did not have help, and therefore presumably no access to scum chat. But the vote tags are really the most obvious part of voting, since players have been using them in the thread, and it's apparent how they work if you quote someone. As a townclear, it feels forced.
I am surprised that Nanook has voted me before I even posted this.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:05 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:02 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:49 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:48 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:48 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:47 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:46 pm Yawn, already feeling depressed

Have a beer.

I don't have any.

Fates worse than death.

Talk to me about Hyena.

I don't remember if I had previously stated a read on them, but they're NAGL rn

I don't know what that means. I'm old.

NAGL = Not a Good Look

And hell, might as well do this, he's been pinging me for a bit after all~

[VOTE: Hyena] aubergine

What exactly pinged you about Hyena, [mention]Pawn Lelouch[/mention] ?

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:44 pm i already think radishes is town, if he's the one who gave that read

esp if benson is town, from the way radishes kinda reinforced the townread of benson when i was starting to doubt it

no reason to stop me from turning on benson at all if radishes scum benson town

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:56 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:54 pm Before my dishonestly infects too many thoughts I should confess that I don't have a hard scum read on 112 or anything like that. But I'm suspicious and paranoid because she really hasn't' delivered the insight I expect so far.

i find this post very towny so yea benson stays in my towncircle probs

I don't like this.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:12 pm @Benson you are scum right? Popping in and out to share your two cents. You're hiding something bucko.

He's had a lot more interactive content than you so far tbh. Lots of juicy meaty meta discussion between him and 112 and Radish. One of those three is probably scum, maybe him, but lack of content is not a valid reason to suspect him.

Your "one of these three" conditional is interesting, can you support it? Since I believe that Master Radishes is aligned with Benson, and likely to be town, should I investigate 112? Your 1804 reads list these three as town. Can you recall why you reconsidered?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:11 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:28 pm Looked at the ISO: 112 has way too few hot-takes/60. That's a lynching imo

I'm intrigued by how much you two have been at each other's throats. Both of you have said things to the effect of "we can spot each other when we're both town" and the opposite of that has happened, which makes me think one of you is likely bad. I have leaned 112 based on some prior reasons and because I saw her as a deepwolf in wc1 whereas I'm unfamiliar with you.

This looks like a partial answer to my question above.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:23 pm in fact im just gonna leave my vote there and afk the rest of the day

[VOTE: evenstar] aubergine

You have promised apathy before, but not delivered on it.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:33 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:32 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:17 pm full disclosure i think eva is town but i kinda wanna just pl her on my perception that she keeps tunneling town (me, mac, hyena) and is going to continue to do so and form stubborn uncompromising reads that i disagree with etc

probably wont end up staying on this vote but theres no good wagons yet

eh maybe i sit on 112 for now

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

I confused about what you're saying here

PL stands for policy lynch

as in I'll lynch a townread because I dislike what they're doing to the gamestate and they keep tunneling my townreads

"I'll lynch a townread" does not bode well. Have you observed Evenstar tunneling as town before?

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:59 pm still dont trust nutella, all things considered, after a bong rip

I agree that nutella is a puzzle piece that deserves to be placed next to Radishes, Benson, 112, and iaafr. Her shade is currently town to me.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:07 pm most of nutellas posts are just limp and the strong ones stand out as too confident for no reason

i dont see a town undercurrent

I see it, and I wonder how you missed it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:55 pm So story time.

Once upon a time, I was The Syndicate Mafia Universe representative.

I called out a member of the mafia for using quite the same language Hyena has been using. The name was EngagedEnglish or EnglishEngine or something like that. I nailed him simply because of his words.

I backed off because he was a stranger to me, and I doubted myself. I was killed and the mafia won.

I'm not doing that again. Hyena is guilty. I see the same telltale linguistic tics.

@Epignosis , could you please elaborate? I would like a detailed assessment, because then I can check the Mafia Universe Championship Wildcard game 1 for the occurrence of the same tics. Since Hyena played as town there, this should substantiate or disprove your case.
(1626 has nutella asking the same, I like that. But Epignosis refused to answer.)

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:56 am

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:39 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:38 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:34 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:32 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:30 pm I do think nutella is town though. Maybe she is and Evenstar is just a genius?

its hard to think of evenstar as a genius while being tunneled incorrectly by her

also why do you think nutella is town

I haven't really seen any reason to scum read her. She has been here a lot, sharing her thoughts... She and I have seen a few things the same way. I feel like I have a pretty good Nutella radar. Prone to tinfoil and tunnelling but generally quite good.

Something to remember is by a someone pushing you doesn't mean they are always a wolf they could just have a what they feel is a case or train of thought towards you with it.

If you think someone is making a case against you as town when they are town you should keep that read of them and push thought why what you said is A towny and B why they are/could be a town for pushing said case

I'm not sure why you are quoting me here?

Case i say the previous message this set about it as i made my post as i enter in here and didn't wanna mess around with trying to remove your part so figured it was easier and more convenient then messing a bunch of stuff up

I..... what. Is this English?

Witness Trustworthy Liberal roleplay the subconscious aspect of confusion.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:01 am 1494 is interesting

Hyena and Spiny Creature have interacted a lot and I feel like they're most likely TvS or SvS

1494 http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 84#p559184

That Epignosis calls a vote "not an opinion" does not please me. I rejoice at seeing Hyena interact with Spiny. It feels loose and matches my concept of town!Hyena. I felt the same looseness in town!Creature of Color Wheel and elsewhere, and hope to see more of it.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:21 am Why is Elephant the top wagon?

I have been wondering that myself, but nobody told me anything.

From my interaction with Master Radishes, where Benson butted in, I have Benson as town if Radishes is town, and Radishes leans town on me. [mention]Master Radishes[/mention] was not perfectly certain of Benson's alignment, but much in the past 12 hours has revolved around Benson. Nutella observed Benson and 112 scumreading each other, and somehow concluded that it probably made one of 112, Benson, and Radishes not town. If that is true, 112 is scum. Iaafr townread 112 and Benson, and scumread nutella, but iaafr's reads are very flexible, and iaafr also has very high confidence in Benson, and I am suspicious of that. I can see iaafr as scum in this constellation. Epignosis had a slow start, and asserted more authority later on, townreading nutella and attacking iaafr's scumread of her. Epignosis plays intransparently, and I can see that playstyle as a cover for powerwolfing; excepting six players from lynch today without accompanying town reads strikes me as a bold but efficient possibility to protect his wolf buddies.
Getting the puzzle of these six players to line up correctly establishes a much needed town core. My current layout is Benson, Master Radishes, and nutella as town, and 112, iaafr, and Epignosis as uncertain scum. I need to research 112, a lot depends on them.

I also have Juliets, Hyena, and Creature as provisional town, but don't see them as connected as the others. I would love to see [mention]Hyena[/mention] and [mention]Creature[/mention] evaluate each other directly.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:27 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:13 am i read you wrong d1 of wc1 too

anyway im over the nutella read

i read hyena's iso and i dont love it and there are a few scummy points

like trying to signal that he needs to interact more with mac before he can develop a read (recently played against a scum who insisted he needed more realtime interaction)
kinda high fluff interaction ratio and his pushes are a bit strange

so something like dragomir/hyena/112 now

still feel 112 is posturey after all and not actually that towny?

i mean theyre promising big so im waiting on the delivery

i like the thought here. drago/hyena aren't terrible picks- as in i can see why you'd have them there, particularly drago. but they're also on the borderline between being good reads for a civilian to push and good reads for a wolf to push if that makes sense. i know you're wrong about me, so that gives me additional pause here.

in the game i remember playing with you, i had a strong and confident town-read on you right up until i was mislynched with you on the wagon. i'm not feeling as confident as i am in you as i was then, and you going back and forth on your read on me--and notably changing it after being called on a potential pocket attempt--makes me wonder.

This is the only literate post of 112 to date, I believe, and it stays fairly non-committal.

@112 , I would like to know your opinion on Benson, Master Radishes, iaafr, nutella, and Epignosis. What are their alignments, and how are they connected?

Probably shouldn’t pick on TL’s English, it’s not his first language.

I have never had any problems understanding Trustworthy Liberal in the past. I am not "picking on his English", I find these two posts specifically ungrammatical and hard to understand, and smiled at the idea that it was intentional.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:12 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:53 am From my interaction with Master Radishes, where Benson butted in, I have Benson as town if Radishes is town, and Radishes leans town on me. @Master Radishes was not perfectly certain of Benson's alignment, but much in the past 12 hours has revolved around Benson. Nutella observed Benson and 112 scumreading each other, and somehow concluded that it probably made one of 112, Benson, and Radishes not town. If that is true, 112 is scum. Iaafr townread 112 and Benson, and scumread nutella, but iaafr's reads are very flexible, and iaafr also has very high confidence in Benson, and I am suspicious of that. I can see iaafr as scum in this constellation. Epignosis had a slow start, and asserted more authority later on, townreading nutella and attacking iaafr's scumread of her. Epignosis plays intransparently, and I can see that playstyle as a cover for powerwolfing; excepting six players from lynch today without accompanying town reads strikes me as a bold but efficient possibility to protect his wolf buddies.
Getting the puzzle of these six players to line up correctly establishes a much needed town core. My current layout is Benson, Master Radishes, and nutella as town, and 112, iaafr, and Epignosis as uncertain scum. I need to research 112, a lot depends on them.

I also have Juliets, Hyena, and Creature as provisional town, but don't see them as connected as the others. I would love to see @Hyena and @Creature evaluate each other directly.

It's really bad practice to say at least one of MR, Benson and I have to be mafia based on early-game inklings and banter.

Much does depend on me, yes.

I don't think it is bad practice to make associative reads, people do it all the time for various legitimate reasons. They need to be evaluated later, as nutella has done, and I am doing.

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:17 am

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:27 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:13 am i read you wrong d1 of wc1 too

anyway im over the nutella read

i read hyena's iso and i dont love it and there are a few scummy points

like trying to signal that he needs to interact more with mac before he can develop a read (recently played against a scum who insisted he needed more realtime interaction)
kinda high fluff interaction ratio and his pushes are a bit strange

so something like dragomir/hyena/112 now

still feel 112 is posturey after all and not actually that towny?

i mean theyre promising big so im waiting on the delivery

i like the thought here. drago/hyena aren't terrible picks- as in i can see why you'd have them there, particularly drago. but they're also on the borderline between being good reads for a civilian to push and good reads for a wolf to push if that makes sense. i know you're wrong about me, so that gives me additional pause here.

in the game i remember playing with you, i had a strong and confident town-read on you right up until i was mislynched with you on the wagon. i'm not feeling as confident as i am in you as i was then, and you going back and forth on your read on me--and notably changing it after being called on a potential pocket attempt--makes me wonder.

This is the only literate post of 112 to date, I believe, and it stays fairly non-committal.

@112 , I would like to know your opinion on Benson, Master Radishes, iaafr, nutella, and Epignosis. What are their alignments, and how are they connected?

[mention]112[/mention]

Texas Cloverleaf, Extended Edititon
Please make use of the quote button, like you did in post post #1915. But you did not in #1920? Why?
I think your time might have been better spent examing the Subconscious phase; the pre-game posts do have a naturally high proportion of shitposts among them, and you reacting to them lowers yourself to the same level.

Texas Cloverleaf wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:43 am Gth 112 town

What does that mean, and why do you say it? Do I even want to know?

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:09 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:57 am @Benson @Master Radishes
Could you please give me your opinions on iaafr and 112? I have read up to 1500, and you seem connected. It has also caught my attention that three of you have recently voted me, and from the 1500 mindset, this occurence feels strange.

iaarf - probably the solviest and most helpful player in the game right now. I love his insights. He better be town.

Master Radishes - I recall him having some decently genuine reads (mostly regarding me). But he stays put in the neutral category until further notice.

Thank you. I did not see your opinion on 112, should I have looked more?

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:45 am

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:09 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:57 am @Benson @Master Radishes
Could you please give me your opinions on iaafr and 112? I have read up to 1500, and you seem connected. It has also caught my attention that three of you have recently voted me, and from the 1500 mindset, this occurence feels strange.

iaarf - probably the solviest and most helpful player in the game right now. I love his insights. He better be town.

Master Radishes - I recall him having some decently genuine reads (mostly regarding me). But he stays put in the neutral category until further notice.

Thank you. I did not see your opinion on 112, should I have looked more?

I discovered it in next post down: "They both have strong wolf games and I'm cautious about giving town reads until they are fully deserved."

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:49 am

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:49 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:45 am

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:09 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:57 am @Benson @Master Radishes
Could you please give me your opinions on iaafr and 112? I have read up to 1500, and you seem connected. It has also caught my attention that three of you have recently voted me, and from the 1500 mindset, this occurence feels strange.

iaarf - probably the solviest and most helpful player in the game right now. I love his insights. He better be town.

Master Radishes - I recall him having some decently genuine reads (mostly regarding me). But he stays put in the neutral category until further notice.

Thank you. I did not see your opinion on 112, should I have looked more?

Lol I was super groggy when I responded and thought you were asking for MR not 112.

Here you go:
112 remains a wolf lean for me until she actually picks up here game. Not a single post so far is outside her wolf meta.

*range would be more appropriate to say than meta in the last part

Excellent, thank you!

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:33 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:56 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:17 am

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:27 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:13 am i read you wrong d1 of wc1 too

anyway im over the nutella read

i read hyena's iso and i dont love it and there are a few scummy points

like trying to signal that he needs to interact more with mac before he can develop a read (recently played against a scum who insisted he needed more realtime interaction)
kinda high fluff interaction ratio and his pushes are a bit strange

so something like dragomir/hyena/112 now

still feel 112 is posturey after all and not actually that towny?

i mean theyre promising big so im waiting on the delivery

i like the thought here. drago/hyena aren't terrible picks- as in i can see why you'd have them there, particularly drago. but they're also on the borderline between being good reads for a civilian to push and good reads for a wolf to push if that makes sense. i know you're wrong about me, so that gives me additional pause here.

in the game i remember playing with you, i had a strong and confident town-read on you right up until i was mislynched with you on the wagon. i'm not feeling as confident as i am in you as i was then, and you going back and forth on your read on me--and notably changing it after being called on a potential pocket attempt--makes me wonder.

This is the only literate post of 112 to date, I believe, and it stays fairly non-committal.

@112 , I would like to know your opinion on Benson, Master Radishes, iaafr, nutella, and Epignosis. What are their alignments, and how are they connected?

@112

they're probably all town and connected by the interconnectivity of the universe.

[VOTE: 112] aubergine
It probably comes as no surprise to you that I am not particularly happy with the level of thought that you display in this answer.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:57 pm

Texas Cloverleaf wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:51 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:31 pm

this diagram says I'm misreading this game badly somehow, 'cause either nutella is scum or my reads are shit

leaning towards my reads are shit

pls halp no speak

Arrows indicate read given by person in the center
Background color of the bubble is my read

dark green: town
green: townlean
light blue: towny
grey: null
pink: scummy
orange: scumlean
red: scum

as you can see, my reads and nutella's reads disagree a lot.

In an unexpected plot twist, in this game nutella is playing the watcher!

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:26 pm can someone with more Eva experience (read: has seen her as town) tell me if these absurd charts are a thing she does as town or not

Evenstar produced very convoluted charts to track ITAs in Dragongard, and had another kind of chart on day 1 of the Mafia Championship Finale. They do appear to progress towards less clutter. Evenstar played town-aligned in both games.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:02 pm Is someone bored? Is someone feeling like writing a short story?

THE ELEPHANT'S CHILD

In the High and Far-Off Times the Elephant, O Best Beloved, had no trunk. He had only a blackish, bulgy nose, as big as a boot, that he could wriggle about from side to side; but he couldn't pick up things with it. But there was one Elephant--a new Elephant--an Elephant's Child--who was full of 'satiable curtiosity, and that means he asked ever so many questions. And he lived in Africa, and he filled all Africa with his 'satiable curtiosities. He asked his tall aunt, the Ostrich, why her tail-feathers grew just so, and his tall aunt the Ostrich spanked him with her hard, hard claw. He asked his tall uncle, the Giraffe, what made his skin spotty, and his tall uncle, the Giraffe, spanked him with his hard, hard hoof. And still he was full of 'satiable curtiosity! He asked his broad aunt, the Hippopotamus, why her eyes were red, and his broad aunt, the Hippopotamus, spanked him with her broad, broad hoof; and he asked his hairy uncle, the Baboon, why melons tasted just so, and his hairy uncle, the Baboon, spanked him with his hairy, hairy paw. And still he was full of 'satiable curtiosity! He asked questions about everything that he saw, or heard, or felt, or smelt, or touched, and all his uncles and his aunts spanked him. And still he was full of 'satiable curtiosity!

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:02 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:04 pm

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:33 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:56 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:17 am

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:27 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:13 am i read you wrong d1 of wc1 too

anyway im over the nutella read

i read hyena's iso and i dont love it and there are a few scummy points

like trying to signal that he needs to interact more with mac before he can develop a read (recently played against a scum who insisted he needed more realtime interaction)
kinda high fluff interaction ratio and his pushes are a bit strange

so something like dragomir/hyena/112 now

still feel 112 is posturey after all and not actually that towny?

i mean theyre promising big so im waiting on the delivery

i like the thought here. drago/hyena aren't terrible picks- as in i can see why you'd have them there, particularly drago. but they're also on the borderline between being good reads for a civilian to push and good reads for a wolf to push if that makes sense. i know you're wrong about me, so that gives me additional pause here.

in the game i remember playing with you, i had a strong and confident town-read on you right up until i was mislynched with you on the wagon. i'm not feeling as confident as i am in you as i was then, and you going back and forth on your read on me--and notably changing it after being called on a potential pocket attempt--makes me wonder.

This is the only literate post of 112 to date, I believe, and it stays fairly non-committal.

@112 , I would like to know your opinion on Benson, Master Radishes, iaafr, nutella, and Epignosis. What are their alignments, and how are they connected?

@112

they're probably all town and connected by the interconnectivity of the universe.

[VOTE: 112] aubergine
It probably comes as no surprise to you that I am not particularly happy with the level of thought that you display in this answer.

idgaf

I mistakenly failed to update the poll.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:16 pm Lost my place.

I have been looking for a way to bookmark single posts, but failed to find one.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:13 am 112 - lean scum, not getting much of a feel on posts either way but follows scum patterns
Benson - null
Creature - ehhhhh
DFaraday - well he commented once on something I said so therefore Town
Dom - null but GTH town
Dragomir - lean scum but on activity not posts independently
Elephant - town
Epignosis - probably town, -EV Lynch otherwise
Evenstar - null. Come at me.
Hyena - lean town, I like the style of their posts
iaafr - Town solely off the “most towny” activity. Establishing a towncore early is a huge detriment to scum who would want to actively work against that goal.
Jackofhearts2005 - null
juliets - no reason not to be scum but again I’m still feeling Girl Genius so just be aware of my biases
Lady Lambdadelta - null but lean scum because they confuse me and that’s bad
Long Con - lean town, I like his posts
MacDougall - lean scum a little bit
Master Radishes - always gives me bad vibes but it could just be cause I don’t like radishes
Michelle - null
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - null but in a good way
novaselinenever - can be scum for all I care
nutella - probably town
Pawn Lelouch - no reason to townread here and I’m not trusting Eva. Scum.
Quin - null
Rej - scum but not a lot of content to get to that
Spiny Creature - Town
sprityo - lean town
Texas Cloverleaf - null
TonyStarkPrime
Trustworthy Liberal - null
vanity. - lean scum, I’m not getting any of the genuine defenses that others have put out


someone GTH me on two of my null reads and I’ll probably get back to you

GTH on Benson, JackOfHearts

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:31 am Ok it's time to concentrate on my group and see if I can pull some reads out. Posting them here for my own reference:

Elephant
Michelle
Evenstar
Master Radishes
Texas Cloverleaf

Hi Juliets!
May I inquire whether you have done anything scummish lately?
Thanks in advance
the Elephant

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:55 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:10 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:41 pm i see again the non read 'Elephant is elephant' care to explain TSP?

I am helping explain to Dom that Elephant is an elephant so that he becomes aware that elephant is an elephant because that’s information that is hard to gather.

Good to know I almost thought that Elephant is a fairy.
Really?? Except the wifom, do you have any slight idea about his alignament?

Thank you, Tony, your assessment matches my own impression of these players.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:49 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:25 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:31 am Ok it's time to concentrate on my group and see if I can pull some reads out. Posting them here for my own reference:

Elephant
Michelle
Evenstar
Master Radishes
Texas Cloverleaf

Hi Juliets!
May I inquire whether you have done anything scummish lately?
Thanks in advance
the Elephant

Hi Elephant!

I'm reading through your posts right now, and mind-melded with you on one of them.

I don't feel like I've done anything scummy but both Dom and Epi feel like my ISO on Tony was OOC in that I am not usually that accusatory. I have to believe them because I've played with both for a long, long time. You'll see my responses to them in my ISO.

TSP who I have played one game with and I was bad says I remind him of that game but he admits thats a weak meta read.

I have a question for you too - why does 112 find you scummy?

Thank you for your answer! I inquired about 112's vote at the time they made it, but they refused to elaborate, and no reasoning was given. I assumed that since they wouldn't share anything, they had nothing, and dismissed it.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:57 am Elephant - Null for now

Understood and identify with his reaction to getting a vote with no reason,, saying it says “I scum read this person, but I do not want to investigate them, engage them, or convince anyone else, and while I feel this scum read is important, I will not share my thought process”. That's exactly how I feel when I get a vote with no reasons attached.

Didn’t love the reason for his vote for Epi for “trying reverse psychology, and a revenge vote on Hyena”. The statement he labels reverse psychology sounds like normal Epi to me and Epi is no longer on Hyena so I don’t know if that will change Elephant’s mind or not.

There are a lot of posts about elephants and then also his misunderstanding (?) with Radish, neither of which do I see as AI. I need to see more content from Elephant before I’d be comfortable on making a call town or scum. I don't see any reason I need to make a decision on him today.

Epignosis is an interesting topic. My vote was a policy vote at first, a double policy vote actually, for "lynch me" and OMGUS, but from then on I looked at Epignosis through the eye of "could this person be wolfing", and they seemed very evasive and keeping their thought processes hidden. I haven't read the resolution of the hyena issue, but those "linguistic details", which I also inquired about without receiving an answer, seemed like made-up "bull-shit" to produce a reaction of some kind. Is this Epignosis's usual modus operandi?

Do you have a read on Epignosis yourself? It appears that most Syndicate players won't consider him for a lynch, because they cannot tell his alignment. They fear lynching him as town is worse than keeping him alive as mafia.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:49 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:25 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:31 am Ok it's time to concentrate on my group and see if I can pull some reads out. Posting them here for my own reference:

Elephant
Michelle
Evenstar
Master Radishes
Texas Cloverleaf

Hi Juliets!
May I inquire whether you have done anything scummish lately?
Thanks in advance
the Elephant

Hi Elephant!

I'm reading through your posts right now, and mind-melded with you on one of them.

I don't feel like I've done anything scummy but both Dom and Epi feel like my ISO on Tony was OOC in that I am not usually that accusatory. I have to believe them because I've played with both for a long, long time. You'll see my responses to them in my ISO.

TSP who I have played one game with and I was bad says I remind him of that game but he admits thats a weak meta read.

I have a question for you too - why does 112 find you scummy?

I believe the questions you put to Tony in your ISO of him were worth asking. When I read a player, I try to determine their intentions: why did they write that? Would they have written that as town? as scum? The motivations for the points you observed were unclear, so it was good to ask about them. Tony answered you 25 minutes later, here. My impression is that he gives fairly townish motivations for the posts that pinged you. I did not see a reaction to Tony's reply in your ISO. Why did you not comment on his answer?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:22 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:13 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:57 am Elephant - Null for now

Understood and identify with his reaction to getting a vote with no reason,, saying it says “I scum read this person, but I do not want to investigate them, engage them, or convince anyone else, and while I feel this scum read is important, I will not share my thought process”. That's exactly how I feel when I get a vote with no reasons attached.

Didn’t love the reason for his vote for Epi for “trying reverse psychology, and a revenge vote on Hyena”. The statement he labels reverse psychology sounds like normal Epi to me and Epi is no longer on Hyena so I don’t know if that will change Elephant’s mind or not.

There are a lot of posts about elephants and then also his misunderstanding (?) with Radish, neither of which do I see as AI. I need to see more content from Elephant before I’d be comfortable on making a call town or scum. I don't see any reason I need to make a decision on him today.

Epignosis is an interesting topic. My vote was a policy vote at first, a double policy vote actually, for "lynch me" and OMGUS, but from then on I looked at Epignosis through the eye of "could this person be wolfing", and they seemed very evasive and keeping their thought processes hidden. I haven't read the resolution of the hyena issue, but those "linguistic details", which I also inquired about without receiving an answer, seemed like made-up "bull-shit" to produce a reaction of some kind. Is this Epignosis's usual modus operandi?

Do you have a read on Epignosis yourself? It appears that most Syndicate players won't consider him for a lynch, because they cannot tell his alignment. They fear lynching him as town is worse than keeping him alive as mafia.

I do not yet have a read on Epi. He is tricky to read and has achieved much success with his scum game on this site. The thing is though, when he's town he is very good at identifying scum so to lynch him on day 1 without having clues to his alignment isn't usually a good idea.

I was referring to this:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:54 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:47 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:55 pm So story time.

Once upon a time, I was The Syndicate Mafia Universe representative.

I called out a member of the mafia for using quite the same language Hyena has been using. The name was EngagedEnglish or EnglishEngine or something like that. I nailed him simply because of his words.

I backed off because he was a stranger to me, and I doubted myself. I was killed and the mafia won.

I'm not doing that again. Hyena is guilty. I see the same telltale linguistic tics.

What are these linguistic tics exactly?

Wouldn't you like to know?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:05 am Nobody is talking about what Hyena is doing here.

I don't care what Hyena does elsewhere. Talk about what he's doing here. Show me how he is a civilian.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:21 am I still believe lynching Hyena is the right move.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:25 pm I'm bored with my Hyena vote anyway. [VOTE: Lady L.] aubergine

The "telltale linguistic tics" might exist, or they might not, and certainly Epignosis does not know whether Hyena displays these same tics when he is town-aligned. I think it's highly likely that this was a fake push. I can see this for Epignosis as mafia with the motive of testing whether Hyena is pushable. I can see this for Epignosis as town, trying to resolve whether Hyena has any associates, and if so, who they are. For Epignosis as both alignments, this is also a test of his authority: who will question his reasoning?
Juliets, in your experience, does Epignosis makes fake pushes like these as town? Or do you believe this was a real push?

I would like to see your take on this as well, [mention]nutella[/mention].

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:52 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:40 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:49 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:25 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:31 am Ok it's time to concentrate on my group and see if I can pull some reads out. Posting them here for my own reference:

Elephant
Michelle
Evenstar
Master Radishes
Texas Cloverleaf

Hi Juliets!
May I inquire whether you have done anything scummish lately?
Thanks in advance
the Elephant

Hi Elephant!

I'm reading through your posts right now, and mind-melded with you on one of them.

I don't feel like I've done anything scummy but both Dom and Epi feel like my ISO on Tony was OOC in that I am not usually that accusatory. I have to believe them because I've played with both for a long, long time. You'll see my responses to them in my ISO.

TSP who I have played one game with and I was bad says I remind him of that game but he admits thats a weak meta read.

I have a question for you too - why does 112 find you scummy?

I believe the questions you put to Tony in your ISO of him were worth asking. When I read a player, I try to determine their intentions: why did they write that? Would they have written that as town? as scum? The motivations for the points you observed were unclear, so it was good to ask about them. Tony answered you 25 minutes later, here. My impression is that he gives fairly townish motivations for the posts that pinged you. I did not see a reaction to Tony's reply in your ISO. Why did you not comment on his answer?

I was embarrassed that I had viewed several of his posts as serious when they were really jokes so I didn't feel like there was a lot for me to say to him. I should have responded though, it's rude not to acknowledge that he took the time to answer. I'll go back and take another look at his reply when I'm finished with my group.

I can certainly empathize with your feeling of embarrassment: you felt you were being more accusatory than you were comfortable with, and had been deflated. With a proper "accusatory" mindset, you would have realized that your questions were justified, and kept questioning some of the answers without embarrassment.
I see that you did not unvote Tony, and are still voting him. Why did you still scumread him after this answer?
You had been accused of being unusally accusatory; did that play a role in your decision not to double down?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:17 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:02 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:22 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:13 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:57 am Elephant - Null for now

Understood and identify with his reaction to getting a vote with no reason,, saying it says “I scum read this person, but I do not want to investigate them, engage them, or convince anyone else, and while I feel this scum read is important, I will not share my thought process”. That's exactly how I feel when I get a vote with no reasons attached.

Didn’t love the reason for his vote for Epi for “trying reverse psychology, and a revenge vote on Hyena”. The statement he labels reverse psychology sounds like normal Epi to me and Epi is no longer on Hyena so I don’t know if that will change Elephant’s mind or not.

There are a lot of posts about elephants and then also his misunderstanding (?) with Radish, neither of which do I see as AI. I need to see more content from Elephant before I’d be comfortable on making a call town or scum. I don't see any reason I need to make a decision on him today.

Epignosis is an interesting topic. My vote was a policy vote at first, a double policy vote actually, for "lynch me" and OMGUS, but from then on I looked at Epignosis through the eye of "could this person be wolfing", and they seemed very evasive and keeping their thought processes hidden. I haven't read the resolution of the hyena issue, but those "linguistic details", which I also inquired about without receiving an answer, seemed like made-up "bull-shit" to produce a reaction of some kind. Is this Epignosis's usual modus operandi?

Do you have a read on Epignosis yourself? It appears that most Syndicate players won't consider him for a lynch, because they cannot tell his alignment. They fear lynching him as town is worse than keeping him alive as mafia.

I do not yet have a read on Epi. He is tricky to read and has achieved much success with his scum game on this site. The thing is though, when he's town he is very good at identifying scum so to lynch him on day 1 without having clues to his alignment isn't usually a good idea.

I was referring to this:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:54 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:47 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:55 pm So story time.

Once upon a time, I was The Syndicate Mafia Universe representative.

I called out a member of the mafia for using quite the same language Hyena has been using. The name was EngagedEnglish or EnglishEngine or something like that. I nailed him simply because of his words.

I backed off because he was a stranger to me, and I doubted myself. I was killed and the mafia won.

I'm not doing that again. Hyena is guilty. I see the same telltale linguistic tics.

What are these linguistic tics exactly?

Wouldn't you like to know?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:05 am Nobody is talking about what Hyena is doing here.

I don't care what Hyena does elsewhere. Talk about what he's doing here. Show me how he is a civilian.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:21 am I still believe lynching Hyena is the right move.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:25 pm I'm bored with my Hyena vote anyway. [VOTE: Lady L.] aubergine

The "telltale linguistic tics" might exist, or they might not, and certainly Epignosis does not know whether Hyena displays these same tics when he is town-aligned. I think it's highly likely that this was a fake push. I can see this for Epignosis as mafia with the motive of testing whether Hyena is pushable. I can see this for Epignosis as town, trying to resolve whether Hyena has any associates, and if so, who they are. For Epignosis as both alignments, this is also a test of his authority: who will question his reasoning?
Juliets, in your experience, does Epignosis makes fake pushes like these as town? Or do you believe this was a real push?

I would like to see your take on this as well, nutella.

Epi frequently refuses to explain the reasons he believes someone is scum like he did here. In this case if he is serious, he may feel that explaining the tells gives Hyena the opportunity to change those tics going forward. That brings us to the question as to whether he's serious. Is it a fake push? Very possible though I have seen Epi do that as both alignments unfortunately. He will do it as town to reaction test (there may be other reasons that nutella is aware of that I'm not).

From your standpoint though I totally understand the read, and a read on him that isn't colored by his complicated meta may be a better read than those of us who have played with him often.

Thank you for your insights, Juliets!

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] , why did you really select Hyena to be your first push?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:52 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:39 pm i can't not be chill given my buttons are being pushed by all these votes

but since you asked, i will go eat some cereal and resume my browsing of the thread as posts come in

Careful about eating cereal when agitated.

https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/ ... real-pinch

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:39 am [VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

I might not be back by EOD. At best won't be back til very close. Out of the actual wagons I am most sus on him. I am not keen on Evenstar and nutella lynches aaaat all and I'm never lynching 112 day 1 (probably just never tbh).

Night.

If you were just here, and Tony was just here, why didn't you interact with him?

Texas Cloverleaf wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:44 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:41 am also hows texas claim a mindmeld with nanook and then vote on the other side of the nutella eva dichotomy

which is probably town/town

theyre all scum

112/nanook/texas/michelle

i got 4 of em im satisfied with my d1

I have never interacted with Nanook??

Texas Cloverleaf wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:27 am MacDougall town, we get to mindmeld again wheee

Could iaafr have gotten this mixed up? Which side was MacDougall on at the time of your vote? I remember that MacDougall was working against Evenstar for a while, which would make your vote appear consistent.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:52 am

Texas Cloverleaf wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:44 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:41 am also hows texas claim a mindmeld with nanook and then vote on the other side of the nutella eva dichotomy

which is probably town/town

theyre all scum

112/nanook/texas/michelle

i got 4 of em im satisfied with my d1

I have never interacted with Nanook??

There’s a Nutella/Eva dichotomy?

I recall colorful diagrams.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:04 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:19 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:52 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:40 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:49 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:25 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:31 am Ok it's time to concentrate on my group and see if I can pull some reads out. Posting them here for my own reference:

Elephant
Michelle
Evenstar
Master Radishes
Texas Cloverleaf

Hi Juliets!
May I inquire whether you have done anything scummish lately?
Thanks in advance
the Elephant

Hi Elephant!

I'm reading through your posts right now, and mind-melded with you on one of them.

I don't feel like I've done anything scummy but both Dom and Epi feel like my ISO on Tony was OOC in that I am not usually that accusatory. I have to believe them because I've played with both for a long, long time. You'll see my responses to them in my ISO.

TSP who I have played one game with and I was bad says I remind him of that game but he admits thats a weak meta read.

I have a question for you too - why does 112 find you scummy?

I believe the questions you put to Tony in your ISO of him were worth asking. When I read a player, I try to determine their intentions: why did they write that? Would they have written that as town? as scum? The motivations for the points you observed were unclear, so it was good to ask about them. Tony answered you 25 minutes later, here. My impression is that he gives fairly townish motivations for the posts that pinged you. I did not see a reaction to Tony's reply in your ISO. Why did you not comment on his answer?

I was embarrassed that I had viewed several of his posts as serious when they were really jokes so I didn't feel like there was a lot for me to say to him. I should have responded though, it's rude not to acknowledge that he took the time to answer. I'll go back and take another look at his reply when I'm finished with my group.

I can certainly empathize with your feeling of embarrassment: you felt you were being more accusatory than you were comfortable with, and had been deflated. With a proper "accusatory" mindset, you would have realized that your questions were justified, and kept questioning some of the answers without embarrassment.
I see that you did not unvote Tony, and are still voting him. Why did you still scumread him after this answer?
You had been accused of being unusally accusatory; did that play a role in your decision not to double down?

I will re-visit that Tony vote today when I re-visit his reply to me. By double down do you mean did the accusatory accusations cause me to not say "I see your answers but still think you are scum"?

Also, have you read Eva yet? I just read her and my head is spinning. I'd appreciate your opinion if you have one at this point.

I've got to take a break and get ready for an appointment I have.

Please don't understand this as me giving you advice, I'm certain you don't need any help playing mafia. My thought is that some of Tony's answers can be questioned. For example, you accused him of hiding four reads in a "summary". Tony answered, "It’s literally just a joke summary for Michelle". It still has four reads in it that are getting passed of as a joke, so you could go and look at the page in question: would a bona fide "joke summary" characterize these players for their alignment, in the same way that "Elephant: elephant" characterizes my contributions? If you can see that, his answer is valid; if you can't see it, it might not be, and deserves further questioning.
I do hope for an explanation why Tony's answers satisfy you, but you still read him as mafia. I'm happy to hear you'll be re-visiting Tony and provide that.

I am watching Evenstar from the gallery, so to speak. I consider myself unable to read her off her antics, and therefore I am content to sit back and enjoy the fireworks exploding around her. As a benefit, this attitude nicely avoids the "my head is spinning" sensation that you just experienced.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:15 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:50 am Read of Michelle - lean town.

I like the way Michelle asks lots of questions and offers opinions whenever she's on. There is not much fluff in her ISO, barely any as a matter of fact. She sticks to business. I like her pushes on Rej who has not had much to say so far. I think I mentioned I just played a game with Michelle where we both were scum and she wasn't present in the thread like she has been here. There is one post of hers that I didn't agree with so I need to go back and re-look at the situation. It was when Eva made a post and Michelle called it juicy in a scum way. I'll take another look a little later.

finished work and i came here. I would like your oppinion on that post. It pinged me enough to call it juicy, and this is not my usual take for a post.
I think your read may help me to reconsider if you have a different oppinion.
I didn't receive scum vibes from you so i trust you with this read

The post in question seems to be this one:

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:35 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:00 pm like eva, i understand that you find pawn to be right very often but...

why does pawn have to be right in this instance? and more importantly, why is pawn towny to you? and if pawn is a wolf, what does that mean for iaafr and mac's alignments?

... I guess a Pawn/Nutella/[Mac or Iaafr] scumteam could exist, but my gut is saying that's just straight-up not the case here. If only Pawn is scum... mmmmrrrrhhhh. Then Iaafr is the partner and they're pushing me to lynch Nutella? Nah, that's a conspiracy theory, I don't buy that Pawn could control me that well. Maybe Nutella's been pocketed? Sure doesn't feel like it. Mac/Pawn might be doing that and then TRing Iaafr because he's pushing a ML on nutella? Nah, that makes no sense, why push a mislynch on the person you've pocketed?

Maybe Iaafr/Pawn going after Elephant as the ML? The gimmick does make him hatable, I can see Pawn going for that. He wouldn't push Elephant directly, scum pawn tends to work through intermediaries... But Iaafr's push on Elephant is super halfassed. Did some other scum make an opportunity? Who started the wagon? 112. 112/Iaafr/Pawn? I guess I could see it, but I don't like that everybody in it is someone closer to null than scum. Plus that many associatives this early is probably just wrong.

I don't see whatever sinister plot you're trying to get me to consider here, Vanity.

I hadn't seen this post yet, because it occurred after I left last night. I am surprised to read my name. iaafr did vote me, but had no push attached to it. I do remember finding my name in red in Evenstar's diagram of Pawn Lelouch's reads, and wondering, because to my recollection Pawn Lelouch has never pushed me. Evenstar read me as zero/town lean at the time, I believe, so that is one of the details where her reads differ from Pawn's. Since she sees reads differences as scum-motivated, her theorizing on this seems consistent.

In the first paragraph, Evenstar is running a stream of consciousness through the various options. It seems natural and in-character for Evenstar, though I would not want to read her alignment off it.

What did you feel was "juicy" about this post? I understand if you want to await Juliet's response, but since we are in the same group, I thought it a good idea to engage you over this.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:12 pm the elephant talks like he's secretly a robot wearing a costume.

https://abstract.desktopnexus.com/wallpaper/2098822/

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:48 am Elephant i will answer a little later when i will be home, now i have to live my office.

Thank you, I'm looking forward to it!

Texas Cloverleaf wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:19 am Man the avatar upload restrictions here suck, this why no one talks to me

I talked to you earlier, but you did not reply.

If you link an image, I can resize it for you in a non-alignment-indicative manner.

Texas Cloverleaf wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:37 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:27 am

Texas Cloverleaf wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:19 am Man the avatar upload restrictions here suck, this why no one talks to me

I talked to you earlier, but you did not reply.

If you link an image, I can resize it for you in a non-alignment-indicative manner.
Texas Cloverleaf.jpg

thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou

My attentions have been elsewhere since game start so I must have missed it, anything interesting?

I found it mildly interesting, but I'll let you be the judge.

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:54 am

Texas Cloverleaf wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:44 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:41 am also hows texas claim a mindmeld with nanook and then vote on the other side of the nutella eva dichotomy

which is probably town/town

theyre all scum

112/nanook/texas/michelle

i got 4 of em im satisfied with my d1

I have never interacted with Nanook??

Texas Cloverleaf wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:27 am MacDougall town, we get to mindmeld again wheee

Could iaafr have gotten this mixed up? Which side was MacDougall on at the time of your vote? I remember that MacDougall was working against Evenstar for a while, which would make your vote appear consistent.

I had googled "Texas Cloverleaf" because your MU profile avatar was too small for me to use. But I did some research.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:00 pm4. RE: "who's 112". At the time I did not see the joke here at all but I accept your answer that that's what you were doing.

Texas Cloverleaf lost to 112 in the Mafia Universe Championship Wildcards 1 game.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:29 pm @Long Con Mac can be aware that Epi has won many scum games without having played those games. The hall of fame exists.

@Elephant to answer what you tagged me in-- Epi does often do weird things to generate reactions as town. He seems so confident in his hyena read that I thought the linguistic tic thing was real, but it's possible I'm missing something.

Thank you for your answer! It's apparent that you thought the tic was real, because you inquired after it.

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:17 pm apparently the group discussions aren't happening and i have absolutely nothing to say at the moment so i guess i'll just see you guys in like 3 hours for eod

You could've talked to Jack?

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:15 pm holy moly this 112 wagon

and i have v read everyone from it at least once this game!

I just looked through the 112 ISO. Their strategy appears to be to scum-read players, and then to pocket them by flipping to a townread. I see this done on nutella, iaafr, Benson, MacDougall, maybe others. The only straight town-read without a negging is vanity. Evenstar calls 112 out on pocketing at one point, and 112's reaction is a bit strange. #406

112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:47 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:38 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:17 pm apparently the group discussions aren't happening and i have absolutely nothing to say at the moment so i guess i'll just see you guys in like 3 hours for eod

You could've talked to Jack?

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:15 pm holy moly this 112 wagon

and i have v read everyone from it at least once this game!

I just looked through the 112 ISO. Their strategy appears to be to scum-read players, and then to pocket them by flipping to a townread. I see this done on nutella, iaafr, Benson, MacDougall, maybe others. The only straight town-read without a negging is vanity. Evenstar calls 112 out on pocketing at one point, and 112's reaction is a bit strange. #406

why is my reaction there strange?

This is how treat something that looks like a (reverse) pocket normally:

112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:28 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:27 pm 112 is innocent-aligned in my opinion

i have felt this with every one of their posts

pocket tentatively accepted

In #406 you go from "you're making stuff up" to "maybe, but also maybe not" to "i don't see why the quoted is necessarily a pocket." and then you stall when Evenstar asks about your iaafr read, because iaafr went from your "early-game suspect pile" to townread with the above "pocket tentatively accepted". You're not loose here, your evasiveness feels forced.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:23 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:43 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:30 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:25 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:20 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:18 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:17 pm

either it doesn't really and you're making stuff up or you've fallen into the same trap as everyone else for scum-reading me lately

I feel like somebody in this interaction is being pocketed and I'm not sure who.

okay, well yeah, maybe, but also maybe not

Care to elaborate on why you think maybe not?

well, i know i'm town, and i don't see why the quoted is necessarily a pocket.

It's not necessarily one, the tone's just off to me. The question I have is "are you town reading Iaafr, and if so, why?"

yes because psychic

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:03 pm @Elephant
@juliets
here is what i thought:

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:41 am

Spoiler: show

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:15 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:50 am Read of Michelle - lean town.

I like the way Michelle asks lots of questions and offers opinions whenever she's on. There is not much fluff in her ISO, barely any as a matter of fact. She sticks to business. I like her pushes on Rej who has not had much to say so far. I think I mentioned I just played a game with Michelle where we both were scum and she wasn't present in the thread like she has been here. There is one post of hers that I didn't agree with so I need to go back and re-look at the situation. It was when Eva made a post and Michelle called it juicy in a scum way. I'll take another look a little later.

finished work and i came here. I would like your oppinion on that post. It pinged me enough to call it juicy, and this is not my usual take for a post.
I think your read may help me to reconsider if you have a different oppinion.
I didn't receive scum vibes from you so i trust you with this read

The post in question seems to be this one:

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:35 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:00 pm like eva, i understand that you find pawn to be right very often but...

why does pawn have to be right in this instance? and more importantly, why is pawn towny to you? and if pawn is a wolf, what does that mean for iaafr and mac's alignments?

... I guess a Pawn/Nutella/[Mac or Iaafr] scumteam could exist, but my gut is saying that's just straight-up not the case here. If only Pawn is scum... mmmmrrrrhhhh. Then Iaafr is the partner and they're pushing me to lynch Nutella? Nah, that's a conspiracy theory, I don't buy that Pawn could control me that well. Maybe Nutella's been pocketed? Sure doesn't feel like it. Mac/Pawn might be doing that and then TRing Iaafr because he's pushing a ML on nutella? Nah, that makes no sense, why push a mislynch on the person you've pocketed?

Maybe Iaafr/Pawn going after Elephant as the ML? The gimmick does make him hatable, I can see Pawn going for that. He wouldn't push Elephant directly, scum pawn tends to work through intermediaries... But Iaafr's push on Elephant is super halfassed. Did some other scum make an opportunity? Who started the wagon? 112. 112/Iaafr/Pawn? I guess I could see it, but I don't like that everybody in it is someone closer to null than scum. Plus that many associatives this early is probably just wrong.

I don't see whatever sinister plot you're trying to get me to consider here, Vanity.

My thought at this post and seeing it so full of implication was that is wolfish. Annalising the players by associations in day one is a thing that may give wrong connections between players.

As villager i always reffuse any link with other players and say it itt because not just once i was mislynched because of scum motivated associated reads.
This post is confusing and i think only scum makes a complicate post to generate wrong reads.

if Eve is scum (like i see her after this post) then she puts now a base for further mislynches from so many associations she makes.

Also i asked Vanity why is he making associative reads and he told me Eve started, and she finished this post addresing to Vanity that he is the one who put her invent a sinister plot. A totally mess for me.

i am a simple player and i think town needs clean sentences not this type of reasoning who can go either way.

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:41 am

Spoiler: show

I hadn't seen this post yet, because it occurred after I left last night. I am surprised to read my name. iaafr did vote me, but had no push attached to it. I do remember finding my name in red in Evenstar's diagram of Pawn Lelouch's reads, and wondering, because to my recollection Pawn Lelouch has never pushed me. Evenstar read me as zero/town lean at the time, I believe, so that is one of the details where her reads differ from Pawn's. Since she sees reads differences as scum-motivated, her theorizing on this seems consistent.

In the first paragraph, Evenstar is running a stream of consciousness through the various options. It seems natural and in-character for Evenstar, though I would not want to read her alignment off it.

What did you feel was "juicy" about this post? I understand if you want to await Juliet's response, but since we are in the same group, I thought it a good idea to engage you over this.

Evenstar wrote "Plus that many associatives this early is probably just wrong", she agrees with you. She thought abot them anyway because she was asked, she likes to think through possibilities, and she likes to post her thoughts. Your point is that Evenstar could have indicated more clearly that she ended up with no associative reads after all. Did this post actually cause confusion afterwards? In my experience, when scum Evenstar sets out to cause town confusion, she accomplishes it; I haven't read that part of the game, so I don't know.

112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:53 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:51 pm

112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:49 pm mafia is frustrating me lately- could be my third mislynch in a row in games i've completed.

ppl don't know how to read me and ignore all my good thoughts because it's ezer

Who is mafia?

epi, tony, michelle, maybe you, maybe elephant, drago? idk

When I asked you for your "good thoughts", your reaction was "idgaf". It is hard to not ignore thoughts that you're not sharing.