The Syndicate

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:09 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:08 pm I am the Elephant.

I've been waiting for you.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:15 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:14 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:09 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:08 pm I am the Elephant.

I've been waiting for you.

I apologize for being late. How long have you been waiting for me?

You aren't late and my waiting was entirely of my own volition. I appreciate the concern, however.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:21 pm i love elephants

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:35 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:31 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:21 pm i love elephants

How many elephants do you love, if it isn't too personal a question?

all, i dont discriminate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:57 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:37 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:25 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:33 pm So far I've felt some negative juju vibrations from tsp, juliets and spiny. Can someone bombard them with aggressive accusations for me please?

I'd like to hear your specifics for what I've done that is suspicious. What juju vibrations?

Your posts have a nervous/awkward tone to them and the way you reacted to that other person sussing you was weirdly aggressive.

I am not nervous or awkward. I'm saying what comes to mind. I am watching football and posting so my attention is divided, maybe that is what you sense. As for vanity. expressing suspicion of me this was my reply:

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:17 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 5:45 pm juliet's play pings me as wolfy so far. thoughts?

so what pings you exactly?

I don't think that's weird or aggressive.

I am including 112 eyeing you. But on looking back I suppose aggressive is the wrong word. It's more like you seem overreactive to prodding. Like you are on edge.

Ok. I actually thought 112 was kidding but maybe not.

I'm asking for specifics when people suspect me because i don't want the wolves to just throw my name around and before I know it a bunch of people suspect me just because they've heard my name a lot. Thats especially dangerous on a day 1 when everyone is looking for someone to vote for. If there are suspicions they should be specific so that everyone can evaluate the evidence for themselves. I don't think it's too much for me to ask. Could be they're just reaction testing like you often do in which case they now know - I will ask for specifics as a response to vague suspicions.

omg that elephant is adorable!

Aight do you have any reads yet?

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:03 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:01 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:57 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:37 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:25 pm

Your posts have a nervous/awkward tone to them and the way you reacted to that other person sussing you was weirdly aggressive.

I am not nervous or awkward. I'm saying what comes to mind. I am watching football and posting so my attention is divided, maybe that is what you sense. As for vanity. expressing suspicion of me this was my reply:

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:17 pm

so what pings you exactly?

I don't think that's weird or aggressive.

I am including 112 eyeing you. But on looking back I suppose aggressive is the wrong word. It's more like you seem overreactive to prodding. Like you are on edge.

Ok. I actually thought 112 was kidding but maybe not.

I'm asking for specifics when people suspect me because i don't want the wolves to just throw my name around and before I know it a bunch of people suspect me just because they've heard my name a lot. Thats especially dangerous on a day 1 when everyone is looking for someone to vote for. If there are suspicions they should be specific so that everyone can evaluate the evidence for themselves. I don't think it's too much for me to ask. Could be they're just reaction testing like you often do in which case they now know - I will ask for specifics as a response to vague suspicions.

omg that elephant is adorable!

Aight do you have any reads yet?

Elephants are better than reads.

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Hyenas are better than elephants. :3

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:04 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:54 pm I notice that this forum refuses to accept a post when another post has been made since I first started my own post. I am somewhat annoyed by this functionality, and expect this annoyance might only increase during a hectic End of Day discussion. Have the veterans of this forum adapted in some way?

The function exists to warn you of other posts that happened in the interim that might change what you want to say, but I get that it can be really annoying and often we don't read them before posting anyway. Basically just keep hitting submit lol

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:12 pm Hi @Elephant. I’m Jack. Where you from?

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:24 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:21 pm You are one hyena. How are you better than an elephant?

I'm better because I have a good laugh. <3

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:37 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:08 pm I am the Elephant.

Are you in the room?

Do we need to talk about you yet?

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:41 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:34 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:24 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:21 pm You are one hyena. How are you better than an elephant?

I'm better because I have a good laugh. <3

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Don't make me break out all my hyena pics. >:C

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:48 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:47 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:41 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:34 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:24 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:21 pm You are one hyena. How are you better than an elephant?

I'm better because I have a good laugh. <3

image.jpeg

Don't make me break out all my hyena pics. >:C

How many hyena pictures would that be?

I have at least 200 pictures on hand at the moment!

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:57 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:51 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:48 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:47 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:41 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:34 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:24 pm
I'm better because I have a good laugh. <3

image.jpeg

Don't make me break out all my hyena pics. >:C

How many hyena pictures would that be?

I have at least 200 pictures on hand at the moment!

That is a fair number, indeed. What is required for you to "break them all out"?

I haven't decided yet. Plus, I'm lazy right now, so it probably won't happen for a while.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:08 pm don't make me break out the empty posturing

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:10 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:08 pm don't make me break out the empty posturing

Too late, I'm afraid.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:22 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:04 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:57 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:51 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:48 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:47 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:41 pm

Don't make me break out all my hyena pics. >:C

How many hyena pictures would that be?

I have at least 200 pictures on hand at the moment!

That is a fair number, indeed. What is required for you to "break them all out"?

I haven't decided yet. Plus, I'm lazy right now, so it probably won't happen for a while.

"Don't make me break out all my hyena pics. >:C" rings rather hollow in this light.
Apologies if I am being rude, but are you generally given to empty posturing?

Maaaaybe.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:15 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:56 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:54 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:51 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:33 pm Btw, it is also illegal to say who is scum

it’s creature Lynch him

Nah creature is town this is like my 3rd strongest read atm

how much have you played with creature?

Just to note, my play here is fundamentally different from MU considering the players here have an obsession with mislynching obvtown

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:26 am @Benson and @Elephant are the only two here I am unfamiliar with I think.

Iirc you are from 112's home site right Benson? How do you rate 112's ability to read you and vice versa? I see you have a scumread on 112. Is that real?

Elephant can you give us the 411 on your situ? Are you familiar with anyone here? Sorry if you've already answered elsewhere.

Linki: juicy

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:17 am elephant: elephant

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:25 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:21 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:26 am @Benson and @Elephant are the only two here I am unfamiliar with I think.

Iirc you are from 112's home site right Benson? How do you rate 112's ability to read you and vice versa? I see you have a scumread on 112. Is that real?

Elephant can you give us the 411 on your situ? Are you familiar with anyone here? Sorry if you've already answered elsewhere.

Linki: juicy

I am not familiar with the expression "give us the 411". I am also trying to not be overtly familiar with anyone, this is a rather public venue after all.

Basically giving the deets on it, ie the details or information. And nothing wrong with that tbqh.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:09 am Also sorry for taking so long to read and post. Nictis (one of the SV players) and I just got off a 6 hour 7 Days to Die session. Couldn't really check in during that.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:39 amI like elephant.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:57 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:46 am

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:09 am Also sorry for taking so long to read and post. Nictis (one of the SV players) and I just got off a 6 hour 7 Days to Die session. Couldn't really check in during that.

What is "7 Days to Die"?

A Steam game that is a open world sandbox RPG cross between zombie survival, base building, and looter shooter.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:13 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:03 amShould I consider this reply off topic or not?

I guess if you want to? It was more a case of you ask, I answer though.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:52 am Elephant small. Beluga whales bigger. Scum.

Spiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:26 am @Evenstar

so far you are an easy townread to me (actually the easiest), which makes me nervous only because I don't think you are easy to read in general. and in finals when you were town you were a townread, yes, but not an easy or pure one, just like a "I think eva is always like this and it's not scummy" one.

that said, the effortlessness of your savage-tone posting, and the fact that your conversation with Drogo, while meaningless shitposting, actually led you to have a read on him by the end, feels like v easytown to me.

should I be nervous about this read y or y not? :P

Benson wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:42 pm @juliets Saying Hi so you don't think I ignored you earlier lol.
I thought I replied earlier but the post never went through. I've figured out why that happened. It'll be interesting trying to get posts through when everyone is frantically posting at EoDs.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:54 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:52 am I changed my mind and did play some catch-up. Only quick skimming, though.

Random skim reads:

Nutella townish. Not sure I agree with reasons stated above ^ for SRing her.

iiafr townish. In fact, aside from disagreeing with half his reads, I'm ready to follow him to the ends of the subconscious and beyond.

Creature townish.

Hyena townish.

Dragomir creepish.

Eva placid. Uncertain how to read that. Leaning townish.

112 nullish. Conclusion: lynch them.

Elephant small. Beluga whales bigger. Scum.


Okay I'm done now. Disclosure: I made a bunch of these up on the spot.

You also sound like #1 bullshit and that iaafr read is w/w.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:19 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:21 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:26 am @Benson and @Elephant are the only two here I am unfamiliar with I think.

Iirc you are from 112's home site right Benson? How do you rate 112's ability to read you and vice versa? I see you have a scumread on 112. Is that real?

Elephant can you give us the 411 on your situ? Are you familiar with anyone here? Sorry if you've already answered elsewhere.

Linki: juicy

I am not familiar with the expression "give us the 411". I am also trying to not be overtly familiar with anyone, this is a rather public venue after all.

You didn’t change the title. Are you still an elephant?

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:21 am Wait, I can delete my own posts?

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:33 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:32 am

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:21 am Wait, I can delete my own posts?

You can do that, but you must not.

What prevents me from doing that?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:42 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:21 am Master Radishes, despite Mr Macdougall's numerous previous contributions, he is conspicuously absent from your list. Should that concern me? Furthermore, this absence does not concern Mr Macdougall himself. I feel that might be unusual for him, but I do not know him very well. Any light you could shed on these issues would be welcome.

Is it conspicuous? I think there are a lot of players absent from my list. Someone said this earlier, but with so many players in the game and it being only Day 0, it's impossible to keep track of everyone.

I haven't noticed Mac for better or for worse so far. He always posts a lot, from what I've seen. Doesn't mean he's contributing to gamesolving.


Question for you, Pachyderm: do you always have such a passive tone to your posts?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:51 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:46 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:42 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:21 am Master Radishes, despite Mr Macdougall's numerous previous contributions, he is conspicuously absent from your list. Should that concern me? Furthermore, this absence does not concern Mr Macdougall himself. I feel that might be unusual for him, but I do not know him very well. Any light you could shed on these issues would be welcome.

Is it conspicuous? I think there are a lot of players absent from my list. Someone said this earlier, but with so many players in the game and it being only Day 0, it's impossible to keep track of everyone.

I haven't noticed Mac for better or for worse so far. He always posts a lot, from what I've seen. Doesn't mean he's contributing to gamesolving.


Question for you, Pachyderm: do you always have such a passive tone to your posts?

I am not convinced that the premise of your question is correct. Maybe you are confusing politeness and passivity?

Politeness is a form of passivity.

I wouldn't say your engagement level is passive, but the tone of your posts comes across as such. "Should that concern me?"; "Any light you could shed on these issues would be welcome"; etc = passive phrasing.

I just want to know if this is what I can expect from you so I can put it aside when forming a read.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:37 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:16 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:51 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:46 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:42 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:21 am Master Radishes, despite Mr Macdougall's numerous previous contributions, he is conspicuously absent from your list. Should that concern me? Furthermore, this absence does not concern Mr Macdougall himself. I feel that might be unusual for him, but I do not know him very well. Any light you could shed on these issues would be welcome.

Is it conspicuous? I think there are a lot of players absent from my list. Someone said this earlier, but with so many players in the game and it being only Day 0, it's impossible to keep track of everyone.

I haven't noticed Mac for better or for worse so far. He always posts a lot, from what I've seen. Doesn't mean he's contributing to gamesolving.


Question for you, Pachyderm: do you always have such a passive tone to your posts?

I am not convinced that the premise of your question is correct. Maybe you are confusing politeness and passivity?

Politeness is a form of passivity.

I wouldn't say your engagement level is passive, but the tone of your posts comes across as such. "Should that concern me?"; "Any light you could shed on these issues would be welcome"; etc = passive phrasing.

I just want to know if this is what I can expect from you so I can put it aside when forming a read.

Your manner of thought is alien to me, Master Radishes. Despite being concerned with "reads", you do not appear to actually take notice of what I wrote. You open your post by contradicting my implied assertion that passiveness and politeness are not identical, and then act as if that contradictory statement would remove my objection to your question, which it did not. In addition, I am unable to imagine how an expectation of "passivity" (or the absence of this expectation) would impact your ability to "form a read"; if you could educate me in this respect, I'd be much obliged.

On phone now, so not going to bother breaking up your post into relevant sections, but:
(a) What did you write that I didn't take notice of?
(b) We're now arguing over the semantics of 'passive' which seems NAI.
(c) Players have different posting styles, but I often associate passivity (as I define it) with scuminess. This is not a hard rule, however, and some people just have a tone to their posts I struggle to look past. There's a player on my home forum I scum read every single game and am usually wrong about, and it's because he posts in a manner I find similar to yours.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:59 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:56 am

Spiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:26 am @Evenstar

so far you are an easy townread to me (actually the easiest), which makes me nervous only because I don't think you are easy to read in general. and in finals when you were town you were a townread, yes, but not an easy or pure one, just like a "I think eva is always like this and it's not scummy" one.

that said, the effortlessness of your savage-tone posting, and the fact that your conversation with Drogo, while meaningless shitposting, actually led you to have a read on him by the end, feels like v easytown to me.

should I be nervous about this read y or y not? :P

@Evenstar, you seem to have been enjoying yourself here. Why is that?

~~Not A Champs Game~~

Also any game with 30 players in it is de facto a mash, I have licence to fuck around

(and my normal tactic of claiming something ridiculous D1 is of limited applicability here)

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:04 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:18 pm honestly, guys, i'm just going to role-play my character the whole game and hope that through magickal energies i can help us effect a good outcome

Ok @juliets since you're confused lemme clear up my suspicion against 112. So my belief of there being fake character claims came from this post. The roleplaying character thing pings me hard for reasons being that there's a manipulative edge to it. I only see one perspective to why someone would do this is the scum perspective. Role-play your character in order to make it more believable if you got to claim it. Get ppl in the mindset that your character is this person thus clouding them from looking too much into the actual claim.

There's no town perspective to it imo. Why should town bother themselves with roleplaying their character? All I can see it is for manipulative purposes to set something up in the future. Unless your role requires the role-play, which I don't think is the case for 112 here.

Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.

So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.

I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:30 pm What I was saying. In post #716, Im suspicious over elephant's rebuttal to MR. The tone just feels Wolfy - I know I haven't played with this guy so I'm not too concerned over that.
But I also don't like how he's honing in on very very minor discrepancies in MR's game (like stuff common to all villagers), and using that as a means to discredit his argument and push a scum read. Idk, seems like the kind of tactics I use as a wolf.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:35 pm It’s like playing with Glorf if Glorf were an elephant

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:34 pm

Spoiler: show

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:38 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:37 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:16 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:51 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:46 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:42 am
Is it conspicuous? I think there are a lot of players absent from my list. Someone said this earlier, but with so many players in the game and it being only Day 0, it's impossible to keep track of everyone.

I haven't noticed Mac for better or for worse so far. He always posts a lot, from what I've seen. Doesn't mean he's contributing to gamesolving.


Question for you, Pachyderm: do you always have such a passive tone to your posts?

I am not convinced that the premise of your question is correct. Maybe you are confusing politeness and passivity?

Politeness is a form of passivity.

I wouldn't say your engagement level is passive, but the tone of your posts comes across as such. "Should that concern me?"; "Any light you could shed on these issues would be welcome"; etc = passive phrasing.

I just want to know if this is what I can expect from you so I can put it aside when forming a read.

Your manner of thought is alien to me, Master Radishes. Despite being concerned with "reads", you do not appear to actually take notice of what I wrote. You open your post by contradicting my implied assertion that passiveness and politeness are not identical, and then act as if that contradictory statement would remove my objection to your question, which it did not. In addition, I am unable to imagine how an expectation of "passivity" (or the absence of this expectation) would impact your ability to "form a read"; if you could educate me in this respect, I'd be much obliged.

On phone now, so not going to bother breaking up your post into relevant sections, but:
(a) What did you write that I didn't take notice of?
(b) We're now arguing over the semantics of 'passive' which seems NAI.
(c) Players have different posting styles, but I often associate passivity (as I define it) with scuminess. This is not a hard rule, however, and some people just have a tone to their posts I struggle to look past. There's a player on my home forum I scum read every single game and am usually wrong about, and it's because he posts in a manner I find similar to yours.

You have asked me a question that was unclear to me. After I drew your attention to that, you have not clarified (still!), but instead asserted that it wasn't unclear. Predictably, that led us nowhere. What you seem to be saying is that you would like to read "passivity" as scummy, but that it isn't really working out for you, which begs the question why you keep doing it. I still have no idea how the expectation of passivity can shape your read. Basically, you've been blocking my attempts to find out how you do solving in this game, which foils my attempt at townreading you. Why would you behave like this as town? (This is a genuine question!)

For now, I suggest that we revisit my original question: do you find it in character for MacDougall to ignore his absence on your reads list, or does it strike you as unusual? I understand you are somewhat familiar with him, is that correct?

Elephant is... god.

It's very obviously a character and my eyes just glaze over when I read his posts, but I would bet a dollar he's like this regardless of alignment so he's just going to be a PITA to play with. Really hope he's not town. Might be town anyway. Where's the fricking sigh emote when you need it.

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:54 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:50 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:30 pm What I was saying. In post #716, Im suspicious over elephant's rebuttal to MR. The tone just feels Wolfy - I know I haven't played with this guy so I'm not too concerned over that.
But I also don't like how he's honing in on very very minor discrepancies in MR's game (like stuff common to all villagers), and using that as a means to discredit his argument and push a scum read. Idk, seems like the kind of tactics I use as a wolf.

post 716 http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 03#p558403

I am not pushing a scum read here, I am still investigating, and I have especially said that I am trying for a town read and that I am not getting it. That you are trying to interpret this as a scumread is something I very much don't like. Obviously I am aware that everyone can be part of a misunderstanding. I believe this shows clearly in my post. But I am not willing to leave it uninvestigated.

I should have been more clear: I meant to imply that I thought you were laying the groundwork for an eventual scum read on MR; not that you were scumreading him at that moment per se.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:59 pm @Drago Yes but my character is also like I’m not sure if it would be good or bad anyways it isn’t like that

@Elephant A player who, from what I’ve gathered, doesn’t lie and kinda talks like you and has a distinct posting character. He’s not an elephant cause he’s an elf.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:34 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:28 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:59 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:56 am

Spiny Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:26 am @Evenstar

so far you are an easy townread to me (actually the easiest), which makes me nervous only because I don't think you are easy to read in general. and in finals when you were town you were a townread, yes, but not an easy or pure one, just like a "I think eva is always like this and it's not scummy" one.

that said, the effortlessness of your savage-tone posting, and the fact that your conversation with Drogo, while meaningless shitposting, actually led you to have a read on him by the end, feels like v easytown to me.

should I be nervous about this read y or y not? :P

@Evenstar, you seem to have been enjoying yourself here. Why is that?

~~Not A Champs Game~~

Also any game with 30 players in it is de facto a mash, I have licence to fuck around

(and my normal tactic of claiming something ridiculous D1 is of limited applicability here)

You certainly look happier here than in Drakengard.

In drakengard I had to worry about getting ITA'd by some moron.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:36 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:38 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:37 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:16 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:51 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:46 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:42 am
Is it conspicuous? I think there are a lot of players absent from my list. Someone said this earlier, but with so many players in the game and it being only Day 0, it's impossible to keep track of everyone.

I haven't noticed Mac for better or for worse so far. He always posts a lot, from what I've seen. Doesn't mean he's contributing to gamesolving.


Question for you, Pachyderm: do you always have such a passive tone to your posts?

I am not convinced that the premise of your question is correct. Maybe you are confusing politeness and passivity?

Politeness is a form of passivity.

I wouldn't say your engagement level is passive, but the tone of your posts comes across as such. "Should that concern me?"; "Any light you could shed on these issues would be welcome"; etc = passive phrasing.

I just want to know if this is what I can expect from you so I can put it aside when forming a read.

Your manner of thought is alien to me, Master Radishes. Despite being concerned with "reads", you do not appear to actually take notice of what I wrote. You open your post by contradicting my implied assertion that passiveness and politeness are not identical, and then act as if that contradictory statement would remove my objection to your question, which it did not. In addition, I am unable to imagine how an expectation of "passivity" (or the absence of this expectation) would impact your ability to "form a read"; if you could educate me in this respect, I'd be much obliged.

On phone now, so not going to bother breaking up your post into relevant sections, but:
(a) What did you write that I didn't take notice of?
(b) We're now arguing over the semantics of 'passive' which seems NAI.
(c) Players have different posting styles, but I often associate passivity (as I define it) with scuminess. This is not a hard rule, however, and some people just have a tone to their posts I struggle to look past. There's a player on my home forum I scum read every single game and am usually wrong about, and it's because he posts in a manner I find similar to yours.

You have asked me a question that was unclear to me. After I drew your attention to that, you have not clarified (still!), but instead asserted that it wasn't unclear. Predictably, that led us nowhere. What you seem to be saying is that you would like to read "passivity" as scummy, but that it isn't really working out for you, which begs the question why you keep doing it. I still have no idea how the expectation of passivity can shape your read. Basically, you've been blocking my attempts to find out how you do solving in this game, which foils my attempt at townreading you. Why would you behave like this as town? (This is a genuine question!)

For now, I suggest that we revisit my original question: do you find it in character for MacDougall to ignore his absence on your reads list, or does it strike you as unusual? I understand you are somewhat familiar with him, is that correct?

I considered being smarmy and annoying here, because you are clearly being deliberately obtuse. But in general I like your schtick, so let's give this one more go.

(i) I assert that you have a particular tone to your posts that is 'unusual' compared to most other players;
(ii) I termed that tone 'passive' based on a certain manner of phrasing within your posts;
(iii) We disagreed on what a 'passive' tone is;
(iv) My explanation for why I asked you this question was because I use tone-reading to help form my scumreads, and I tend to correlate passivity (as I define it, which is to say as I find how you seem to post) with scumminess;
(v) However, at the same time I acknowledged that certain types of players, e.g. one on my home site, just always post in a style that I tend to scumread, and I suspect you are one of those types of players, hence my initial question to you.

As to your question, I am not familiar with Mac beyond spectating some Champs games, and I [/i]have[/] already responded to your point about this.

At this point, I shall become smarmy and annoying if you want to continue this conversation. It is going absolutely nowhere and is not conducive to solving the game for me.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:45 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:39 pm I don't usually adhere to this manner of writing, however, I committed to it when I signed up for this game, which you might be able to verify by looking at the sign-up thread and my posts there; but since I do not understand what exactly constitutes the quality which you are looking for, I'm not certain whether you'll find it in those posts. I can reassure you that if you scumread me off my writing style, you'd be wrong, but obviously you're unlikely to trust my self-assessment.

I'm still wondering how you thought that a line of questioning that amounts to "do you always post like this, or only when you are scum" was going to work out, and how well you can pull off a "smarmy and annoying" response, so, please, attempt an answer if your fancy strikes you!

That's all I was after. Thank you.

It was not intended to be a defining point of my read on you. It ballooned into something much bigger than it should have been. But I'm not opposed to asking players I'm unfamiliar with to self-assess game (or, in this instance, style of writing) as a means of gaining insight into how they play. Weirder things than self-reflection have led to reads in the past.



I can't really do smarmy and annoying anyway - that was an empty threat.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:37 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:20 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:19 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:49 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:48 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:47 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:41 pm Master Radishes, why are you messing with my friend Elephant? :[ That's not allowed right now.

Nah, he was messing with me. But we're cool now.

Can I be your friend too?

I dunno yet. Maybe. Let's talk about it later.

Yikes. That means no. Non-friend-zoned.

Why do you have to guilt trip me about it? ;[

No no, don't worry about it. It's...it's okay. I understand. It's fine. You go and be friends with Elephant and I'll...I'll be okay.

Elephant might try to eat you though if we all became friends! He's an herbivore, y'know. D:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:29 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:16 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:30 pm Yeah you guys should D1 a new player cause they’ll be harder to read!

Wait....

Epignosis then?

Fine with me. I'm not bad, but there's no way I'm going to keep up with this.

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:49 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:22 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:29 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:16 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:30 pm Yeah you guys should D1 a new player cause they’ll be harder to read!

Wait....

Epignosis then?

Fine with me. I'm not bad, but there's no way I'm going to keep up with this.

I am awake and picking up where I left off last night. [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine for trying reverse pysychology, and a revenge vote on Hyena. Looking at the poll, I anticipate my vote may change during the next 600 posts of catching up.

LIke, why say the last part? Wolves so often feel the need to tack on additional information about hwo they are going to vote.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:37 am actually, let's just cut off the infected part while it's early.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine