The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:48 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:05 pm My vote is remaining on Elohcin.

Why?

Should it not be?

You just answered a question with a useless question, turning it around on me.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:34 pm You do have one point though, that since we are in an extended Day 1 we would maybe prefer to maximise information, and leave the low posters for later. We don't have to lynch the low posting baddies first.

As such, a lynch on Jack, or LC, or Epi, or Sloonei would produce new avenues for futures lynches. Even if they flip civ (but especially if they flip bad).

This mentality is the worst. You don't lynch someone for the purpose of producing new avenues for future lynches. That's exactly how I think when I'm mafia- keep one step ahead, setting up lynch after lynch until the job is done.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:05 pm I recall Epi once making the argument that Eloh is more invested in games when she has someone to talk to behind the scenes. In this game she's made multiple comments about the amount of effort she's been putting into getting caught up. Her tone in these posts has not been one of frustration or dejection, but instead she's seemed kind of gleeful about it, playing around and joking about her involvement. I like this attitude and approve of it in every way, which is why I feel dirty for turning it into a case against Eloh. If she is involved in BTSC, and has been since Day 1, then she's scum. And if this is the case and Epi's old argument is true, then her carefree attitude toward the avalanche of posts in this thread might be explained by her involvement with teammates behind the scenes. Or she's just having a jolly old time.

@Epignosis what do you think about this?

It's ignorant.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:44 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:43 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:05 pm I recall Epi once making the argument that Eloh is more invested in games when she has someone to talk to behind the scenes. In this game she's made multiple comments about the amount of effort she's been putting into getting caught up. Her tone in these posts has not been one of frustration or dejection, but instead she's seemed kind of gleeful about it, playing around and joking about her involvement. I like this attitude and approve of it in every way, which is why I feel dirty for turning it into a case against Eloh. If she is involved in BTSC, and has been since Day 1, then she's scum. And if this is the case and Epi's old argument is true, then her carefree attitude toward the avalanche of posts in this thread might be explained by her involvement with teammates behind the scenes. Or she's just having a jolly old time.

@Epignosis what do you think about this?

It's ignorant.

How so?

Eloh says she's caught up. Happy dance, right?

I guess that depends on what the definition of "caught up" is.

I would wager every beer in both of my refrigerators right now (and I just stocked up yesterday anticipating the holiday) that Eloh skimmed my post in which I analyzed the numbers regarding nutella's apparent survival. I guarantee you she didn't read that shit in depth, if she read it all.

I would wager all the wine in my cellar (it's really my closet don't judge me) that in "catching up," Eloh skimmed the thread keeping an eye out for her name or something about her (or my name or something about me), perhaps reading a post here or there that didn't look like a mathematician took a dump. Eloh has eighteen posts. Of those, at least three are filler. How many are about her? How many are about me?

She posted a rainbow list and nutella ranks near the bottom. What's her strategy there? To try to get nutella lynched a second time? If it was, was that ever going to work?

If she is preoccupied in BTSC, as you allege, then surely she got the memo about nutella when they worked out a kill target. Wouldn't you agree with that?

None of this precludes Eloh being bad, but if she is, you'd have to buy that she's feigning ignorance with respect to nutella, and I don't believe that is what is going on. She's from Skim City.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:00 pm Sorry, what with family time I don't really have the ability to go through and make good cases or long posts. Butt I'm following as best I can.

Reads (mostly gut):

Daisy
Speedchuck
Epi
Sloonei
Quin
JJJ
nutella
DDL
Eloh
Kyle
Mesk
Long Con
Jack
Sig

No reads on Dom, Wilgy, INH, sprit

I knew posting that Elton John song lyric would work.

I mean, thank you gracious bob sir.

Sloonei

I don't feel you are genuine, and I think your go at Eloh was a try to score an easy lynch that people would find agreeable even if the result was no good.

This is what I don't get about so many people in the early game. "Epignosis isn't exhibiting town behavior."

When do I?

"Epignosis is doing suspicious things."

When don't I?

Y'all need to realize your mafia try to do their best to look good so y'all don't say this shit about them in the early game.

Sloonei fits this. He looks like he's trying to be a civilian leader, but I don't find his effort honest.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:38 pm (inb4 Epi "you are. I know exactly where I'm shooting")

I read this as a sexual joke.

I was about to respond, "I'm shooting in the dark too."

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:40 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:39 pm This is what I don't get about so many people in the early game. "Epignosis isn't exhibiting town behavior."

When do I?

"Epignosis is doing suspicious things."

When don't I?

Y'all need to realize your mafia try to do their best to look good so y'all don't say this shit about them in the early game.

Sloonei fits this. He looks like he's trying to be a civilian leader, but I don't find his effort honest.

I'm listening.

I feel this way about Jack and Quin, but I'd be open to reconsidering Sloonei as well.

I would vote Jack. That comment about not reading too much into his orange bits did nothing for me: Why would I read anything into his more neutral opinions?

These two posts got my attention, but for different reasons. Together they make no sense.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:34 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:44 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:25 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:13 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:43 pm I thought as much. Wouldn't you say that's kind of a scum tell for you?

Which part of that is a scum tell for Jack?

Good question; Jack, in answering my question, be a dear and answer Sloonei's as well please.

Idk. The only scumtell I'm aware of is that I get overly excited when I think I'm about to win as a baddie.

This could be compensation for lack of a proper response. I'm not leaning either way on it.

That could be. The real response was "I don't know"... and actually, now that I typed it out, the response does ping me slightly. A Civ's response to "Is that a scumtell for you/what part is a scumtell?" should be "It's not a scumtell, it can't be because I'm not scum"... but Jack just doesn't know why or which part was a scumtell.

Let's just say I'm not worried about getting lynched so I was more concerned with figuring out if you were being sincere.
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:38 pm Voting DDL for antitown behavior and non DDL behavior.

Off to see a friend who flew in from Belgium. If you lynch me,don't read too much into my legacy orange reads.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:55 pm Epi, orange means scum reads, not neutral. He's saying not to take his scum reads as gospel if he dies and flips civ.

He has speedchuck and colonialbob as orange. That's it.

He has me as red. That's it.

My point is this: If he is lynched, and is shown to be a civilian, why would anybody care who he had as orange? Anybody can look at his revealed role and see if he had information or not. If he's the alignment checker, and he gets lynched, then he's being a dick and throwing the game.

I cannot fathom a civilian role he has that would necessitate him asking us to brush off his orange names if he got lynched.

Couple this with the fact that he said "Let's just say" he's not worried about being lynched...

Sounds to me like he's trying to hint at one too many roles.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:34 pm Sloonei

I don't feel you are genuine, and I think your go at Eloh was a try to score an easy lynch that people would find agreeable even if the result was no good.

Nope. I wanted you to share your thoughts on her, then I moved off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:43 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:30 pm I don't want to be on Eloh come day end. It could go on Sloonei.

I advise against this.

I could go back to Eloh.

Uh-huh.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:34 pm Lurkers, any of you want to vote for me?

What's the point of this question?

Let's all lynch JaggedJimmyJay. I would seriously do that right now.

JaggedJimmyJay calls his posts "puke" as though he hasn't had any opportunity to digest anything, but he said he's very much read the thread. It's a subtle way of making people think he hasn't had any opportunity to do so, but he has.

This should, in the very least, stop people from giving him credit for coming in with quick opinions. They aren't really quick. They've been percolating.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:06 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:54 pm JaggedJimmyJay calls his posts "puke" as though he hasn't had any opportunity to digest anything, but he said he's very much read the thread. It's a subtle way of making people think he hasn't had any opportunity to do so, but he has.

This should, in the very least, stop people from giving him credit for coming in with quick opinions. They aren't really quick. They've been percolating.

I said I followed the game. I have no reason to pretend I haven't followed the game after saying that I followed the game. I called it "puke" because the term amused me, and it seemed applicable to a large post containing many of the thoughts I develop when following along as a spectator.

That said, I haven't followed shit this day phase. I'll at least skim things now, but I'd prefer to focus more on present interaction. There are three hours.

Yet you saw my post pretty damn fast.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:06 am I'm staring at Sloonei's ISO, and the worst I can say is that I am not experiencing the transparent civilian brotherhood that he and I often enjoy (most recently as Jerry and Steinbrenner). That's a high standard to ask anyone to meet though, and I am not especially alarmed by this content -- and there's plenty of it. I don't think his treatment of Elohcin was unreasonable, and I'll talk about that shortly.

What are the moments in his post history driving his present wagon?

I could forgive his treatment of Eloh in isolation.

His treatment of me, then nutella, and THEN Eloh? This dirtbag is looking for easy lynches. He isn't being critical of them. I believe he is using his "Oh I just move my vote around" method as a facilitator of guiding bad lynches.

Eloh's not here man.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:53 am I returned to Dayton for Thanksgiving shit, and I was careful not to forget the important items -- deodorant, toothbrush, phone charger, etc. It appears I forgot something though. I forgot something even more important.

I didn't bring any clothes. Nothing. I have what I am wearing. WTF is wrong with me?

You aren't married.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:03 am Voting for me is a waste of time. Don't do it.

I have plenty of time. I'm a mountain. A big one.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:09 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:04 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:03 am Voting for me is a waste of time. Don't do it.

I have plenty of time. I'm a mountain. A big one.

me too. Is there more to your suspicion of me than not believing in my suspicion of eloh?

Yes. I already said this. You don't sound genuine to me. You are chasing easy lynches or lynches du jour and not presenting much though about them. I do not trust you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:31 am I want to lynch sprityo. His refusal to acknowledge the suspicion of him (instead treating it as frivolous/without premise) and following take-the-ball-home pout looks fake.

That's weak shit for you. Nah.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:34 am He also fits the general profile of a low poster trying to appear as contributory as he can in a rapid-posting environment -- that poses a default challenge to any mafioso.

It isn't that hard.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:34 am Moreover I think the low-poster lynch strategy is ideal under these conditions.

What are "these conditions?"

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:44 am Anyone want to point out that if self-preservation was my goal right now I'd just switch my vote to jack and stop trying to pull people onto my preferred target? No? okay.

No. Clearly a number of people think Jack is bad too. You aren't getting anywhere by voting Jack.

I think you are bad. Your leadership sucked. You are dancing like a man with one leg. And now it's whomever except Jack.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:45 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:40 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:31 am I want to lynch sprityo. His refusal to acknowledge the suspicion of him (instead treating it as frivolous/without premise) and following take-the-ball-home pout looks fake.

That's weak shit for you. Nah.

It moves me more than these other wagons move me.

I don't agree with your take on the Sloonei/Elohcin dynamic. You mentioned before that you thought he was trying to take the easy route with you and nutella. Describe that to me.

I thought you read the thread.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:49 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:47 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:44 am Anyone want to point out that if self-preservation was my goal right now I'd just switch my vote to jack and stop trying to pull people onto my preferred target? No? okay.

No. Clearly a number of people think Jack is bad too. You aren't getting anywhere by voting Jack.

I think you are bad. Your leadership sucked. You are dancing like a man with one leg. And now it's whomever except Jack.

Leadership? Stop following me.

Nobody followed you. That isn't what I mean. You tried to look like a leader, but your leadership- in my sole opinion- has been nothing short of sorry. That you ever entertained LC's "case" on me in the first place instead of shutting it down for what it was (a lump of nonsense) was the first sign. Others followed. You aren't looking for mafia.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:48 am
Not at all. I've been super stressed out at work, basically. I'm doing four jobs: my current job, my old job, my lazy coworker's old job because management shoved her stuff onto me when she missed all her deadlines by like 200 days (not an exaggeration, literally over 200 days) and finally, on the day of my biggest deadline, my two jobs ago job. I asked my boss to talk to her boss and get me to only do 3 jobs. She did but forgot to mention he said no so I got shit for not doing the fourth job and then further shit for being "unprofessional" aka saying I don't have time to do other people's jobs on the eve of a big deadline. Then I worked three ten hour days and won't get overtime pay cause the company just changed the overtime policy regarding weeks with holidays. But whatever. I have a lot to be thankful for, career wise and otherwise. The four day weekend should mellow me out, too.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:37 am

We need information to go off here people!

This is information.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:11 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:04 am Bob, what are your reads on jack and i now?

I'm still trying to work through all the implications of the tie and the no lynch. Like, Jack could've been a little mountain protected by the Buttes, or confident of the Everest double vote, or Daisy is right about you, etc. I promise I'll come back with fully formed thoughts on this in a bit.

I no longer thing w/w is a strong possibility though.

Whether or not it was a tie is moot.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:34 am
In the event of a tie on Day 1, no one is lynched.

In the event of a tie on any other day, one of the tied players will randomly be chosen and cast into the abyss (lynched).

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:09 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:50 am True there might be other vote things going on, but I feel like neither Jack nor sloonie would make sense for the mafia team to target with their minus 1. Unless we're all way off with mafia members.

I don't understand what you mean by this. Some of us think that Jack could well be a mafia member who was protected by Sutter Buttes. Why are you discounting this possibility out of hand?

Can you explain how this transpired given the result?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:50 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:40 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:09 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:50 am True there might be other vote things going on, but I feel like neither Jack nor sloonie would make sense for the mafia team to target with their minus 1. Unless we're all way off with mafia members.

I don't understand what you mean by this. Some of us think that Jack could well be a mafia member who was protected by Sutter Buttes. Why are you discounting this possibility out of hand?

Can you explain how this transpired given the result?

I mean it's a night power, right? So the scum team anticipated jack getting some votes and gave him minus one. He would have been one vote ahead of sloonei but this would bring it back to a tie, which was randomly flipped to sloonei who is one of the civ roles who would survive the lynch.

That's...more premises than I would care to accept.

The underlined conclusion doesn't require any of the previous premises to be true. Sloonei would have no idea what the vote tally was if he stopped the lynch, and whether the votes were manipulated doesn't matter if he is automatically safe from one death, because there was a no lynch, and the mafia can't stop a lynch regardless of the tally.

My view is that Sloonei stopped the lynch. He was not at all passionate about defending himself or making a fuss to get people to vote elsewhere. He called it "a waste of time." If you are automatically safe from one death, your job isn't to save yourself from a lynch, but to eat a Night kill (thereby protecting the other civilians). Had Sloonei had that responsibility, I believe we would have witnessed more urgency and fire. We witnessed none.

I'm ready for Day 3.

I am a little unnerved as to why Sloonei is "indie hunting." Stupid thing to do if you are a civilian and don't need Olympus Mon dead to win.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:47 pm I am a little unnerved as to why Sloonei is "indie hunting." Stupid thing to do if you are a civilian and don't need Olympus Mon dead to win.

I'm not. And how do you know that?

How do I know what?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:47 pm I am a little unnerved as to why Sloonei is "indie hunting." Stupid thing to do if you are a civilian and don't need Olympus Mon dead to win.

I'm not. And how do you know that?

How do I know what?

that we don't need olympus mons to be dead to win.

2 of my 200+ posts were an acknowledgment that the indie role exists with a single proposed suspect who i have no intentions of lynching right now. this feels like a reach for you.

It's not reaching.

It's reading.

--- The Big Mountains must eliminate the Small Mountains to win. ---

Is Olympus Mon a Small Mountain?

No.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:36 am Marmot is out of town

Does that mean we all got mafia roles?

Maybe Vulture Mountains is a super secret role.

Gun to head reads.

How cute.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:13 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:43 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:41 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:52 pm I think you're overthinking the dancing metaphor, Doctor.

Point being, Epi is not an easy lynch, regardless of alignment and that should be taken into account when reading D1.

But why should that be taken to account? If it's non-alignment indicative what's the purpose other than to put a negative characteristic on someone?

Taken by itself, Epi's ability to avoid lynch is aside from his alignment.

It is also key to why I think Epi's accusations aimed at LC on D1 ring false and the falseness of things Epi says are very important to determining his (or anyone's) alignment.

I'm really not sure why this is such a sticking point. Seems obvious to me.

So taken with it (Which I'm assuming is context) is epi's ability to dodge lynch alignment determining? How does that make sense? Am I missing something here?

It's a sticking point because it doesn't make sense. Why mention it doesn't determine alignment when it does determine alignment to you? If the context is what determined alignment why bring up?

LC says "I think you are bad."
Epi says "Bah. I am good and you are bad trying to get an easy lynch!"

The underlined bit reads false because Epi is not easy to lynch. Epi knows this so that statement comes across as dishonest. Lynch all liars. Therefore, this makes Epi look scummy.

Dancing skill alone doesn't determine alignment. It determines how genuine the underlined/bolded statement from Epi is. Genuineness is generally a town tell and the opposite generally a scumtell.



Alternative example:
Epi says "I am the cop."
LC says "There is no cop based on the setup on the front page."
Jack says "Epi is probably scum."
Wilgy says "What? How is claiming cop scummy? Do you think cops are scum?"

Why am I not an easy lynch?

I went from being on top of the thread to being six pages behind almost overnight.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:33 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:00 am Some thoughts from the GTH reads:

~ The recurring meme with these things has been that the player to give the most civilian reads has tended to be mafia-aligned at a more-than-random rate. In this instance the culprits are Colonel Bob by count and Jack by percentage. Before I proceed with this notion though, I want to look back at the numerous other GTH charts I have saved on this laptop. This trend was one I noticed in the earlier stages of running this exercise, and I am not certain whether it has held overall. It's something that should be easy to check.

I checked all the GTH reads I have on my laptop and could find/remember elsewhere. Quickly:

Spoiler: show

2015 Mafia Championship Game 2 on 2+2 The OG GTH reads
Ryker names most civilians - Mafia

Talking Heads
MacDougall names most civilians - Mafia

Turf Wars
Quin names most civilians - Civilian

Hydra game on MU 2016
StoatTime names most civilians - Civilian

Mad Max
motel room and JJJ tied for most civilians named - Civilian and Civilian

RYM #92
JJJ names most civilians - Mafia

Personality Cafe game
No mafia members participated, so a Civilian had the lead.

Pirate Mafia
MovingPictures07 names most civilians - Mafia

Battlestar Galactica
S~V~S names most civilians - Mafia

Economics
Bass and JJJ tied for most civilians named - Mafia and Civilian respectively

I'm not going to bother citing my sources here unless someone actually cares. It's easy to find if so.

Twelve players are named here, and six of them were mafia. That's 50%, which is technically "more than random", but not by a significant degree and with a small sample size. It can also be viewed as "in six of ten games, a mafioso led or tied for the lead in civilians named". The difference is probably more semantic than meaningful.

I won't entirely stick the fork in this idea long-term, but I don't think it's a convincing condemnation of Colonel Bob or Jack in this game.

Pardon me if I am misinterpreting your interpretation of your data, but wouldn't a 50% rate be significant given that the population of each instance is composed of less than 40% mafia?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:49 am
I think hunting for a mafia team of three and hunting for a rogue are vastly different activities, and there's no baddie team of four. There is a baddie team of 3 and a second lonely baddie team of 1. A scum-read is easier than a rogue-read.

I don't know why you think this. The big mountain win condition doesn't say they need the independent dead to win. Therefore the independent isn't bad. If Olympus Mons is LMS (Last Mountain Standing), then it would be contrary to the stated win condition on page one.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:34 pm
I told you I wasn't going to explain things to you that you already know.

You have a terrible habit of assuming your interpretation of a sentence or phrase is gospel.

Anyone is an easy lynch Day 1. That's because many people take the mindset that Day 1 is a crapshoot, and that the real utility of Day 1 is the acquisition of information. Any lynch will provide that.

You are taking my "easy lynch" comment to mean that I am referring to Epignosis being a an easy lynch, which is your mistake. If Day 1 is a guessing game, then lazily piling up votes on me is an easy thing to do. Saying I meant that I am an easy lynch in general is your mistake. When people pile up votes on anyone for stupid reasons (or no reason at all), it makes for a quick and easy lynch. Anybody could be that.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:58 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:53 am No, circular logic is logic that requires a belief that it's right in order to prove that it's right. Like "God exists because the Bible says so, and the Bible is the word of God, and thus is the truth."

Ah ok, circular logic. I understand now. Did Epi explain how your argument was circular? Because I don't see it. I don't see how it was and I also did not see his reasoning.

I did see you going around in circles, though.

As circular as a fake boob.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:39 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:56 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:05 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:06 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:19 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:15 pm I've enjoyed reading dunya's catch up posts.

I want to address mesk's play. Who was it that said they had played with her as civ before and she was really fierce? She seems so genuine to me, but that info doesn't allign with her behavior. I think she needs to be up for discussion today.

Linki...by the way... I can never address linki because on my phone, the left side of linki gets cut off for some reason. Just thought I'd share.

I don't think her absence for 6 days is indicative of her alignment. That's what I would like to sway people away from.
Yes, as town, a wrongly accused town, she gets very vocal and aggressively defensive. She hasn't been on the frying pan though, indeed, she hasn't even been on the forum for 6 days so....we can't say she's scum because she's not here.

This is oddly defensive, imo.

Dunya replaced in awesomely with great effort. What if she is too good to be true? What if there have been no night kills because of a quiet mafia and two of them are mesk and now dunya? Just really spitting this out real quick before I go watch tv with the family. I'm not fully caught up so tell me if I'm insane.

You're saying mafia was a blank space? Maybe. But I'd like some names.

Oh come on this was gold

Only because I know what it's like to make a joke that I find hilarious and no one else says a thing...

I don't get the joke.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:06 pm
JaggedJimmyJay - EGH
JJJ is never scum.
No, but really, I don't know what he'd be like as scum. If he's leading, and leading well, mafia will probably kill him and take care of things for us. If they start killing other leaders and JJJ takes control of the game, wipe him.

This is gross. All it is is an invitation for JJJ-less mafia to burn a lynch. Gross.

To Jack:

My work browser is now blocking the full editor page.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... f=28&t=726

I think that was it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:31 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:27 pm To Jack:

My work browser is now blocking the full editor page.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... f=28&t=726

I think that was it.

Thanks. Two years.

I don't think I've ever been lynched on Day 1. I've seen it happen or almost to Doc and Sprityo several times and I've only been here a year.

I think your conclusion that Day 1 lynches are a crapshoot and anyone can be lynched on Day 1 is incorrect. I stand by my statement that you would be a difficult mislynch target and that this causes your LC accusation to not feel genuine.

Oh ffs.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:26 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:34 pm
I told you I wasn't going to explain things to you that you already know.

You have a terrible habit of assuming your interpretation of a sentence or phrase is gospel.

Anyone is an easy lynch Day 1. That's because many people take the mindset that Day 1 is a crapshoot, and that the real utility of Day 1 is the acquisition of information. Any lynch will provide that.

You are taking my "easy lynch" comment to mean that I am referring to Epignosis being a an easy lynch, which is your mistake. If Day 1 is a guessing game, then lazily piling up votes on me is an easy thing to do. Saying I meant that I am an easy lynch in general is your mistake. When people pile up votes on anyone for stupid reasons (or no reason at all), it makes for a quick and easy lynch. Anybody could be that.

I did not develop the conclusion that Days 1 are crapshoots.