The Syndicate

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:44 pm i think epis push on me today feels outing but i dont have meta on him

i feel radishes process is still town and he's just not redpilled on all of the syndicate being scum like me

I don't know what this means.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:56 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:53 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:44 pm i think epis push on me today feels outing but i dont have meta on him

i feel radishes process is still town and he's just not redpilled on all of the syndicate being scum like me
I don't know what this means.
i think your push on me is strongly scum indicative and i dont find your stubbornness on this manner town and even if you are town you're very visibly anti-town in direction to me so far and bringing up my d1 vote over and over again isn't what i want to see out of players i'd want to take with me into later phases

so you can die and you will always be in my bottom 3 today, probably

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:01 pm
dom is an asshole and I feel like the syndicate are missing his lack of real work because they're just used to his abrasive nature and don't want to interact with it too much

Wild.

And apparently I am twelve grapefruits.

Or twenty-one grapefruits.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:44 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:41 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:01 pm
dom is an asshole and I feel like the syndicate are missing his lack of real work because they're just used to his abrasive nature and don't want to interact with it too much
Wild.
If you think I'm missing something quote me it

I read Sprityo's summaries and yeah he has some stuff, but it's poor IMO

defend your views, don't just shade vaguely

I think you assume everything I say is an opinion about someone's alignment. It isn't.

And as for defending a view, that seems to be overrated wherever The Others come from. I've defended several views and have been shit on. That's fine. I'm not getting worked up over it. In the end either I win or I don't. It's a game on the Internet. Doesn't pay my bills, thank God.

I am to engage in some offline amuse for an hour or perhaps two. I also have to finalize my grades this evening for the first quarter. I will be available again then.

*amusement

I still have work to do tonight, but I am free for a few conscientious hours.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:16 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:11 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:06 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:05 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:02 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:01 pm ... I think it would be astonishing if a player like Grapefruit had a scumgame like mine. That's what I think, on careful review. Epi is town. And if he's not, he deserves to win.
where did grapefruit come from wtf
epi feels analytical like grapefruit21 or pawn IMO

but if he's scum he's faking a ton of emotions

these two things don't seem to jibe
which of his emotions are town-perspective and cant be genuine scum perspective emotions and/or genuine emotions sublimated into ones that pretend to be town
No, that's not the point

the point is that I think he's naturally an observer-type or analyst-type player, and therefore it's hard for him to fake emotion and he'll prefer not to do it

then there's like four pages of very heated emotions today

I don't think the emotions themselves are unfakable, if that was Hyena doing that I would lynch it instantly

but I feel like Epi specifically would have a difficult time doing that

Jackofhearts2005 you're a syndi, am I right about Epi's character here or am I blowing smoke?
Epi’s emotions don’t seem to change with alignment. I’m not the best at catching scum Epi. I do on occasion recognize town Epi and this feels like town Epi.

In particular, he cares a lot about this game and while town Epi doesn’t always fit that bill, the shits he gives feel productive and real if that makes sense.

My enthusiasm almost always hinges upon my availability and not my alignment.

Also, I still hate the Knicks.

iaafr, I'm townreading myself. If you can't understand why I'm good, go and read my posts and Dom's posts.

Damn, I felt silly even writing that in jest.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:29 pmman I overate

What'd you have good to eat?

If these procedures aren't lynches, I'm going to throw my hat in with those displeased by the setup. Given that nova and Nanook are departed, I'm going to assume a lynch / kill in that very order.

In the spirit of playing the hand I am dealt, I want to go through all people one more time and reassess my thoughts. After grades get put in on time.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:40 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:32 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:29 pmman I overate
What'd you have good to eat?
Panda Express xd

Oh.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:51 pm sorry my tongue is not as silver as the Elite Company you keep who apparently can regularly convince town that theyre wolves

this is the literal implication i am battling unless you admit you just perspective slipped and just painted yourself as scum which you wont

How does Mafia work where you come from? Do people just give themselves away that easily?

Do people just believe you when you say you're a civilian?

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:59 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:57 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:51 pm sorry my tongue is not as silver as the Elite Company you keep who apparently can regularly convince town that theyre wolves

this is the literal implication i am battling unless you admit you just perspective slipped and just painted yourself as scum which you wont
How does Mafia work where you come from? Do people just give themselves away that easily?

Do people just believe you when you say you're a civilian?
ive already made posts explaining why im normally more clear on day 3s as town than i am in this game

ive made posts explaining why im not able to do the things that normally clear me as much this game

its insane for you to act like i should be somehow able to clear myself as town unequivocally under these conditions

and even if i do, i feel like none of hte people sussing me are going to believe me because it feels like they view everything i do in as unfavorable a light as possible every single time

I am not asking you to clear yourself. That isn't your job. That's my job.

Your job is to accuse and find people who need to be eliminated.

sprityo, if you are free, let's have that conversation you wanted to have. I am sorry I was unavailable this morning. I was too busy losing $100.

I like Pawn. I have no intention of voting there.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:15 pm what are your strongest reasons for liking pawn?

it doesnt give you pause on me that he strongly likes me and says im never lynch?

I am an adult capable of respecting someone's opinion that might be different than mine.

I am not here to determine those who will agree with me. I'm here to determine those who are lying to me.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:19 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:17 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:15 pm what are your strongest reasons for liking pawn?

it doesnt give you pause on me that he strongly likes me and says im never lynch?
I am an adult capable of respecting someone's opinion that might be different than mine.

I am not here to determine those who will agree with me. I'm here to determine those who are lying to me.
i am town and i have lied in this game for strategic reasons

a lot of how i play is built around making scum act awkwardly around what i do and im trying to figure out which player is acting awkwardly in a scummy way around me

as a town player, you should be willing to consider the world in which i am town. in that world, i am honestly telling you that your perspective on pawn would help me understand whether i should trust him more or not, and help adjust my read on you if you're town.

Did you lie to me?

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:20 pm i read this game by seeing if peoples thoughts and reads are real and consistent, among other things

if i ask for a read on pawn you should give it because if youre town you should have confidence it would help give me pause on you, who i am currently scumreading and considering voting

I told you my opinion on Pawn. Why are you belaboring the point?

I am going to focus on my task by temporarily pretending iaafr does not exist. This is temporary. I will circle back to a universe in which iaafr does exist.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:22 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:21 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:20 pm i read this game by seeing if peoples thoughts and reads are real and consistent, among other things

if i ask for a read on pawn you should give it because if youre town you should have confidence it would help give me pause on you, who i am currently scumreading and considering voting
I told you my opinion on Pawn. Why are you belaboring the point?
i need your reasons for why you trust him to evaluate whether its real or not

I already gave this. Nobody talked about it then.

Pawn LeLouch

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:12 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:06 pm Man, so many town reads being handed out like candy over here, there's gotta be some TMI underneath them.
Oh totes. The question is who is truthful and who is TMIing. Considering like half of the players have posted at least some reads by now. And that is something that will take a bit to figure out frankly due to needing more data points and associatives to work with. So it can be a concern but not one that should be at the forefront of your mind until at least D1 starts.

Okay.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:32 am Here’s a roughly ordered list from where I’m at now. Will try and write out comments for each person if I can later on but that might need to wait a bit due to school. So here's who I got before I needed to post.

Confirmed Town
Pawn Lelouch

Town
Creature

Town Lean
Master Radishes Love his interaction about Creature’s reaction and hard agree on hating the Sprityo post.
Iaafr
Epignosis
Vanity. His Nook insight is a towny type of insight and I have had that exact view on Michelle before in other games and have had it here already. It just feels like a genuine thought process.
Texas Cloverleaf

Null (+/neutral/-)
Evenstar (+)
MacDougall (+)
Nutella (+)
Spiny Creature(+) Note I am fully admitting to bias here due to the Hyena interactions but I just love her there, and while the content amount is low due to time, the actual content is good imo.

Benson (neutral)
112 (neutral)
Michelle (neutral) I fully admit I just have trouble reading her.
Juliets (Neutral) This is a weird one for me. Since she doesn’t actually have much content that is actually strong. Like she has it, but it all feels fairly shallow. However, I think her reaction to being stilted is real and as someone who is somewhat similar to that I can’t really endorse scum reads based on that due to not finding them accurate, and yes that does seem to be a fair bit of why people are scum reading her. So two conflicting views null out.
Jackofhearts2005 (neutral) Has the Creature read going for him but otherwise everything else is honestly very meh. It exists but that’s about it.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (neutral) There’s a passiveness and wishy washiness that I don’t really associate with town Nook but Vanity raised a really good point regarding him acting like a town who has been burned before which I can see. Two conflicting views null this out essentially.

Trustworthy Liberal (-)
Elephant (-)
Long Con (-)
TonyStarkPrime (-) So TSP has only a few things going on with him. The minor spat with Spiny, the one with me, and the relatively singleminded Juliets push. Spiny is a punctuation read that I find laughable on principle and am ignoring, the one on me I honestly didn't mind outside of his weird last sentence flip where he basically swapped to scum reading me at the end of the paragraph after leading up with town, since that was a strange look. Currently have this as a null - and their current position is currently tied directly to the opposite end as Juliets.

Scum Lean
Sprityo Mostly pure shitpost and the actual content post he put out was basically semi-incoherent when I looked through the ISO. Post #1413 exactly, is enough to drag him to scum lean,
Dragomir

Scum
Hyena
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Basically Don’t Exist yet and thus auto null (-) until more content.

DFaraday
Dom
Lady Lambdadelta
novaselinenever
Quin
Rej

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:14 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:10 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:06 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:00 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:39 am Eh, fuck it. Both Hyena and Dragomir are fairly low, so I'm willing to take out the creep first. Since while I'm pretty damn sure he's one of the people who have been roleplaying their roles like Mac, he's still gross about it.
What makes you think Mac is roleplaying?

... wait, was it that one weird post way back, where Mac was strangely enthusiastic?
It was more of a series of posts from then but pretty much, yeah.
I think it could be hilarious if I started roleplaying mine. OR I could end up looking like Dragomir.

Do you think roleplaying is suspicious?
Not at all. When Dragomir is being a creep though when using what I believe roleplaying as an excuse, even as a bad joke, I don't see a reason to keep him around when he's already in my bottom 3 reads.

This is an early vote against Dragomir. The reasoning behind it isn’t strong, but it’s solid for a Day 1. I’m not really sure why Dragomir was “already in [your] bottom 3” prior to the creepiness, so perhaps you could elaborate on that Pawn.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:27 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:25 pm hey pawn whatup

which reads of yours should I sheep rn
Drago or TSP are probs my top two scum rn. MR, Creature, Vanity town. Also feeling pretty good about Epi and Texas rn.

Okay.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:52 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:40 am fuckit bros let's kill drago
Let's go.

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

There’s a measure of enthusiasm here, as Pawn voted Dragomir a second time.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:36 pm And thus the triad is broken and I can freely place my vote. Out of TL, Michelle, and Drago, Drago is by far the scummiest imo.

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

Third time’s a charm…

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:50 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:49 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:48 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:48 pm fuck is Day over
You have 12 minutes. Epi and Drago are main 2 wagons.
Like hell.
Off of vote numbers yeah you two are. Unless 112 has made a big enough resurgence to make it a 3 way competition.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:51 pm > 112 5 votes

So they have then. 112 + Drago are the main two then.

This might not mean much at first glance, but at the time, I was certainly not a main candidate to be lynched, and I said as much. Why this is significant is that it means Pawn was unconcerned with keeping an eye on the poll in order to manipulate where the votes fell during crunch time.

++++

If I squint hard I could see a Dragomir teammate, but that last point resonates with me.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:23 pm look, i'm playing now, i'm trying to sort your slots once more and i'm re-evaluating.

do your parts by explaining your reads. you're an english teacher, you don't realize what i want is for you to articulate WHY you townread pawn?

Just so everyone at home can keep up, iaafr can evaluate me, but I can't evaluate him, else he goes into ALL CAPS MODE. Fun stuff.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:24 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:14 pm I like Pawn. I have no intention of voting there.
this is your idea of an adequate answer to asking why you read him the way you do?

Yes.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:24 pm and you havent re-evaluated him since then?

Nope.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:24 pm you cant make an on the spot summary of why you like him?

Nope.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:25 pm gotta copypaste the work you forged n1?

Yep.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:26 pm your way of evaluating me is dumb from my perspective and i have consider it a valid defense to treat it as such

My way of evaluating you was asking you one question.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:28 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:27 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:26 pm your way of evaluating me is dumb from my perspective and i have consider it a valid defense to treat it as such
My way of evaluating you was asking you one question.
and i answered the question honestly and you decided to distrust my answer which is objectively incorrect in this game in which i am town so its a really dumb way of evaluating me if youre town

"Objectively incorrect."

I don't think you know what objectivity means.

You answered the question this way:

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:32 pm stop trying to teach me how to play

i predicted dragomir would end up the lynch that day 100% and i was right

i signalled over and over i didnt actually want to lynch 112 d1

my no lynch meant nothing in the scheme of things because i predicted things correctly

if you see me miss a game-losing vote in the postgame report then you can chastise me but as it stands i did not vote in a way that impeded scum being lynched so stop teaching me how to play in any capacity please

Your answer may well be the truth. If so, I am baffled.

It is not enough for me to call you good.

Therefore, you remain a suspect, especially in this limited environment.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:29 pm i am speaking objective truth here

Is there a non-objective truth?

Objective:

"This chicken has garlic on it."

Subjective:

"This chicken tastes good."

Anyway, I'm going to finish my work and then focus on this swamp.

I am going to throw iaafr a bone.

I don't know if rabbits eat bones.

In one Day phase, iaafr has 278 posts. I realize most of it was shit.

Quite a bit of it contains independent ideas.

And I'll say this much: I don't know what the mafia team looks like, but a teammate like iaafr would be making me pull my hair out.

I don't think iaafr is mafia for those reasons.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:41 pm Look-- I'm critiquing the contents of your posts. You can take that personally, but it's entirely within the construct of the game to do so. I find your criticism of Epi to be hollow at best in this regard given how you've behaved.

If that's too much for you, then I think this game isn't for you.

And I agree with this as well.

Rather than continue these pointed discussions, why don't we step back, hmm?

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:49 pm if you had written anything resembling a meaningful critique of my posts we wouldnt be in this situation

If he had written anything resembling a meaningful critique of your posts, you'd be in all-caps mode again.

Now let's stop this. We have work to do.

I think we need to consider what we know.

1) This place IS bullshit.
2) These rules ARE bullshit

I think we all agree there. No need to carry on about that.

Without engaging anyone- that means nobody talks about your views and you don't get to talk about theirs- let's post our bottom three and why. Don't worry if your name is mentioned or if someone says something you feel is untrue. Just nod along. You'll get a chance to respond.

For now, we need to focus on the fact that we have to vote.

Can everyone please give three names and their reasons? I'll try to keep up this time.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:51 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:50 pm man.

yea i mean im stepping out of the game for now
Let the record show I asked a question in good faith and this is how I was responded to.

Looking at timestamps, that may have been in response to what JJJ posted.

ColinIsCool - ColinisCool is here because someone else has to be. He's bad. Lynch him.
Jackofhearts2005 - I cannot recall a single original idea Jack has had. I do not know where he stands.
sprityo - I agreed to talk to sprityo this evening when he was around and then he didn't talk to me. I don't know why that is.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:56 pm if you guys are town you really should be looking at the consensus townreads that arent me yea and i asked you to do that and you both said "pawns fine"

so thats where the gamestate is

i still believe eva is clear from spinys flip

and you critique my avg content/post ratio by taking a jab at it compared to one copypasted epi post that he wrote n1 when im clearly just trying to make the thread fun and enjoyable with fluff while holding a consistent worldview that i dont want to discuss that much for reasons that should be clear if you've read my posts

idk man

if you dont like my jokes fine but avg content volume is such a lame push to make man and it sucks that im in a d3 that this type of thing is happening

You really should type things out if you want to avoid being misunderstood. I hope that isn't officious, but it's true.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:58 pm ColinIsCool - ColinisCool is here because someone else has to be. He's bad. Lynch him.
Jackofhearts2005 - I cannot recall a single original idea Jack has had. I do not know where he stands.
sprityo - I agreed to talk to sprityo this evening when he was around and then he didn't talk to me. I don't know why that is.

I'm revising my list because people be crazy.

ColinIsCool - ColinisCool is here because someone else has to be. He's a mild suspect.
Jackofhearts2005 - I cannot recall a single original idea Jack has had. I do not know where he stands.
sprityo - I agreed to talk to sprityo this evening when he was around and then he didn't talk to me. I don't know why that is.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:59 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:58 pm ColinIsCool - ColinisCool is here because someone else has to be. He's bad. Lynch him.
Jackofhearts2005 - I cannot recall a single original idea Jack has had. I do not know where he stands.
sprityo - I agreed to talk to sprityo this evening when he was around and then he didn't talk to me. I don't know why that is.
1) Can you explain colin more? I've not understood that yet.
2) that's my feel on jack too.
3) it's because he simply has nothing to say and was hoping you'd say it for him.

See my revision.

See visitors? Dom is a civilian because he is here, asking questions, entertaining answers, and not beating his chest demanding everyone agree that he is a civilian.

It's lovely, don't you think?

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:02 am Epi-- what are your thoughts on my pressuring of sprityo

I hate to say it, but sprityo is in my bottom three by default.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:05 am and you guys refused to give me reads deeper than what you thought on them n1 / "yeah he's fine i dont see any reasons for a read either way"

What are your reasons for believing Pawn is bad then? How about you meet us half way?

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:08 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:08 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:02 am Epi-- what are your thoughts on my pressuring of sprityo
I hate to say it, but sprityo is in my bottom three by default.
I don't know what you mean here.

I mean that I'm obliged to choose three. sprityo is in the bottom three dawg.

If you're asking specifically about your interaction with sprityo, I don't have a take on that. I'm sorry. My attention is finite.

I looked at Pawn's posts this phase.

They're garbage. Go see for yourselves.

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