nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:41 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:35 am
did I understood correct, Jack is suspicious because he pinged a low poster to play?
well, and because of how he played it off after the fact. his wording was inconsistent, it seems like he was implying he was pushing some lynch pressure onto DF when that implication had not really been present in the original post. I was just confused by the whole thing and why any of it existed
nutella and Michelle did a whole dance about Jack regarding his comment on DFaraday.
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:30 am
DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:02 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:04 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:28 pm
@DFaraday
You have a history of missing day phases and ending games with under 10 posts. I understand that irl stuff happens but It has become a pattern.
I would absolutely love to play a mafia game with you but that’s going to require you to play a mafia game with me as well.
Please post.
You're mafia.
No you.
If I was mafia, I wouldn’t start the game with a push on a guy who tends to get himself lynched all on his own.
Why wouldn't you? In a game with so few players, nearly all of which are vanilla, every town vote is significant. The usual approach of leaving me for late game won't fly here, since in a few phases I could conceivably pop back in after a hiatus and cast a deciding vote. It might be a better approach for the Mafia to go for a softball right out of the gate to get a jump on the numbers without really putting themselves on the line in the way they might in trying to fabricate a case on a more prominent player.
yeah. this is why "mislynch bait"/going after low-hanging fruit is a problem. it almost always ends up in the scum's favor
but I still feel like my initial concern wasn't even answered. Jack were you "pushing" DF with the post or not?
"How serious were you Jack about going after [my teammate] DF?"
Uncomfortable shoe, but it fits. Eh.
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:00 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:34 pmJack is town.
Why's that
Prodding DF the way he did probably isn’t a thing scum jack does. Overreacting to initial concerns over it definitely is not a thing scum jack does. He’s a player that people treat with skepticism fairly often because his style of play doesn’t change much between factions. I sense that his frustration today stems from being tired of being misread, especially this aggressively so early on in a game.
ok
nutella went mama bear against Jack for the DF stuff and let it go when Sloonei diffused it.
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:21 pm
I don't think I've quite seen the specific thing I was referring to from Michelle, but I feel okay about her in general. Her questioning and reads look pretty typical.
Jack's first post about DF was the "friendly invitation to play."
After that, Jack responded to something by saying like "why would I push for a DF mislynch like that if I were scum." My gripe was that he clearly hadn't been pushing on DF in a suspiciony way, and he stated as such, yet he had defensively implied it.
Yes, I do think Jack could still be bad given tony flipped town. It's not a very strong associative read in that direction though.
The language here is not unlike what Michelle did to Sloonei. I have to squint to see DFaraday as bad in this exchange.
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DFaraday wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:17 am
After their most recent exchange I'm feeling like TSP and Nutella are both town. At the very least, I doubt they're teammates because their lengthy misunderstanding discussion felt too meandering and inconsequential to be a planned interaction.
This is concerning. This was from Day 1 and calling a teammate a civilian when you're calling a real civilian a civilian is an easier thing to do. It's a hedge. It's a spoonful of sugar.
DFaraday wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:26 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:19 am
DFaraday wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:17 am
After their most recent exchange I'm feeling like TSP and Nutella are both town. At the very least, I doubt they're teammates because their lengthy misunderstanding discussion felt too meandering and inconsequential to be a planned interaction.
You should stop voting for me.
But you're unlynchable, so it won't matter anyway.
I meant to respond earlier to your post asking us for reasons for voting you. I felt I was pretty clear in my earlier post, but to reiterate I think it's entirely conceivable that scum could try to instigate a low-risk lynch on someone like me in order to get a numbers advantage early, since in a game like this if I hang around until Day 4 or 5 like usual I could be a difference maker. I don't know for sure that's what you were doing, but you seemed to dismiss the possibility without any consideration, which was more of a bad look imo.
I don't find Nutella suspicious, so I don't plan on voting her. If you have a good case for someone else I'd be willing to listen.
This is a response demanding attention.
Remember that nutella is the mafia godfather- the most important mafia member (and I don't care if info dumping is legal or not
).
DFaraday protects nutella staunchly here. He doesn't mind going after Michelle the goon later.
DFaraday wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:17 pm
That sudden late surge of Tony votes wasn't suspicious at all.
This is a garbage post. It adds nothing to the conversation.
DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:55 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:49 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:39 pm
Hmmm the plot thickens. Jack and tony both felt pretty confidently that nutella was bad and now they both have flipped civ. I've been iffy on nutella from the beginning and am inclined to believe maybe tony and jack were right about her. Putting my vote there for now.
[VOTE:
nutella] aubergine
I do not follow. Nutella did not vote for Tony, and I find it a bit of a stretch to assume that Jack was killed for the purpose of silencing his criticism of nutella. Plus, we now know that Jack would have been a perfectly viable counterwagon yesterday if nutella was bad and the mafia team wanted to save her. There wouldn’t have been a need for any of them to push to Tony (and no reason not to. My point is that I don’t see how this pair of deaths reflects poorly on nutella specifically). Is there more to this suspicion?
So you don't think the kill was a frame of me? That was my first thought, and that sabie either bought it or is promoting the narrative that I'm scum.
I think it's the second option. I actually began thinking there might be a Sabie/Michelle connection yesterday, but didn't want to say anything explicit during the night. My theory is that Michelle forced suspicion on Tony, then had to double down on it as their interaction continued, and Sabie just parroted her teammate's suspicion. Sabie's post today makes me feel even less warm towards her, since it's basically shouting, "WOW HOW SUSPICIOUS DOES THIS KILL MAKE NUTELLA LOOK, RIGHT GUYS?"
Oof.
Let's break this down.
Sloonei questioned sabie about her nutella vote, and nutella's response was to call sabie either a dupe or evil.
DFaraday's very first post that calendar day was to answer this in detail.
"I
actually began thinking there
might be a Sabie/Michelle connection yesterday..."
There's so much hedging in this language. DFaraday has zero conviction here. What's worse is that this was the Day Michelle got lynched, DF established the most ridiculous theory that could still paint sabie as bad in the event that Michelle got lynched.
Folks, this was Day 2. Michelle was still alive. DF's theory is predicated on Michelle being bad- he's ready to string up sabie on the basis of Michelle being bad. A civilian could not know Michelle was bad at that point.
Yet the all-caps is a hardy defense of the mafia godfather.
DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:07 am
Also, here are all of Sabie's posts regarding suspicions of Jack, Nutella, and Tony:
sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:53 pm
So right now I'm feeling suspicious of both Jack and nutella. Jack specifically commented on everyone in response to g man's post except me. He would have actually had to delete my name from the original post because now it's not there. Jack has played multiple games with me so why leave me out? Accidentally forgot me? Maybe... So far whenever I've played a game with jack and he's been mafia he makes it a point not to accuse me and ends up lulling me into a false sense of security just to come out and win in the end. Last time I realized just one lynch too late that it had happened again. He said hi to me in the beginning of the game so he knows I'm here. Also, I'm not sure how to take the whole making a big deal about DFs playstyle in the beginning.
I know nutella can be waffley a lot of times but some of what she's said kind of pinged me such as saying she didn't even know that Jack already votes and thinking tony would have tmi this early in the game. Some of her posts are just contradicting statements.
sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:59 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:53 pm
So right now I'm feeling suspicious of both Jack and nutella. Jack specifically commented on everyone in response to g man's post except me. He would have actually had to delete my name from the original post because now it's not there. Jack has played multiple games with me so why leave me out? Accidentally forgot me? Maybe... So far whenever I've played a game with jack and he's been mafia he makes it a point not to accuse me and ends up lulling me into a false sense of security just to come out and win in the end. Last time I realized just one lynch too late that it had happened again. He said hi to me in the beginning of the game so he knows I'm here. Also, I'm not sure how to take the whole making a big deal about DFs playstyle in the beginning.
I know nutella can be waffley a lot of times but some of what she's said kind of pinged me such as saying she didn't even know that Jack already votes and thinking tony would have tmi this early in the game. Some of her posts are just contradicting statements.
What are your thoughts on G-man and Tony?
Tony I'm not sure. He's pretty defensive of Jack but when he's been bad in the past he posted more and did more "reads" right away. He seems more tentative so far so I could go either way on him. What's your suspicion of him from?
Gman is putting a good amount of effort in. I don't think I ever played a game where he was mafia so Ive only seen his civ game. I don't think he has said anything sketchy so far.
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:33 am
I have suspicions on all three of the people with votes. In looking through Tony's posts a lot of his focus is on jack. He makes it a point to say "if I'm nightkilled jack is scum" and that he needs a few days to figure him out subtle ways of saying dont lynch me im town without actually saying it. When he was mafia in the past his main focus of discussion was his own teammates so if they got killed off he could be like see I'm not bad. Ive seen jack do this as well. Also his post making it a point to say how many mislynches we can have was a little sketchy. I see a lot of fair points on him and he hasnt done much to counteract these points.
Jack I've expressed my suspicion on him. There's a fair amount of back and forth discussion on him but I'm still leaning towards thinking he is mafia.
Nutella can be very difficult to read as she does often follow the waves of the thread but her response to things so far hasn't made me feel confident about her being town.
This day 1 is hard there are fair points on all three. Voting tony as I feel worst about him and his efforts thus far.
Her first two posts cast suspicion almost entirely on Jack and Nutella, while saying that Tony has been defensive of Jack and she could "go either way" on him. However, her next relevant post sees her apparently much more suspicious of Tony for discussing an alleged teammate (Jack), when this didn't seem so damning in her earlier assessment. Also note that this development and her subsequent vote follow shortly after Michelle's vote for Tony.
I'm going to
[VOTE:
Sabie] aubergine for now, but I don't discourage Michelle voters either.
Here's the vote for sabie (the person who is bad if Michelle is bad according to his theory).
Why not go ahead and vote for Michelle first? Why vote for sabie and then add "Michelle's a good pick" on top of it?
Horseshit.
DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:56 pm
I agree with Sloonei’s arguments pertaining to Nutella, she’s not a strong town read for me at this point. I don’t agree on the Sabie town read, since in the absence of other viable lynches it doesn’t strike me as unlikely for two teammates to distance when they’re both on the chopping block.
LC is playing a weird game, but I don’t know if he’d be this cavalier as a baddie (again, I don’t pay much attention to meta).
"Yeah, nutella isn't doing a good job. Let's look at LC."
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DFaraday has seventeen posts. I did not expect to be able to extract a clear opinion of him from those, but here it is: DFaraday is mafia.
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