The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2017 11:25 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2017 11:23 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2017 11:20 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2017 9:25 pm In fact, I propose that the men arise. Stand up and don't let women rule the LMS kingdom. Down with Venus! Down with ♀!

I don't know why you ask me about my intentions at Night, as though I can vote for anybody.

Whom are you killing?

I didn't ask who you intend to vote for.

I won't kill anyone tonight.

I am interested in seeing a man actually win a Last MAN standing contest on The Syndicate.

Sorry ladies.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2017 12:11 pm
And so there I sat, pontificating this great quandary, when the answer smacked me 'cross the dome like good ol' Lucille herself.

pon·tif·i·cate
verb
gerund or present participle: pontificating
pänˈtifiˌkāt/

1.
express one's opinions in a way considered annoyingly pompous and dogmatic.

You should be lynched simply for that.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2017 5:29 am Followed by the formation of the He Man Woman Haters Club.

He-Man?

I am Skeletor!

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2017 11:05 pm Let no one be deceived, my friend - there is only ONE male that the founder of that club wants to have win this game...

Oh? Which male is that?

Got an ID on one killer.

S~V~S has been killed by nutella! She was also Darkness.

I killed Wilgy, in case anybody wants to know.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 12:18 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 12:03 am

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2017 11:57 pm I fused with Tranq, which scrambled all actions directed at me. So, if someone tried to kill me last night, that would have been redirected to someone else.

That's pretty cool. Hosts: Can i fuse with myself?

Sure, but you would likely find the results very lame.

I believe LC just told you you could go ahead and fuck yourself, and that the experience would be lame.

I think.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 2:59 am I think I'm going to have a heart attack and die of not surprised. But fun to be part of such a big event!

Whoever killed me... I think you're going to regret it.

And now, I shall also probably be on hiatus. But I'll be around, ooooh I'll be around

Didn't you have like over a month of being on hiatus- along with everybody else?

Bass_the_Clever wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 1:00 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2017 11:55 pm I killed Wilgy, in case anybody wants to know.

So if you want guys to win why kill a guy?

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 12:42 pm I wouldn't mind voting Epig to avenge the doctor. What do you think?

Of course you wouldn't mind that, but let's not pretend it's about avenging people.

I still think Glorfindel, as nice a fellow as he is, is the best option for lynching.

Better yet, we can mop up Barney's backyard gang while the misfits still have the numerical advantage.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2017 11:49 pm LIST OF PEOPLE IN THE DHARMAHELPER MEMORIAL ALLIANCE

• Insertnamehere
  Quin
  Bass*
  Tranq*
  
  * = agreed to be in DH's group last night.

Here's a refresher of the rules. The thing about SVS is obviously irrelevant now. We're now true free agents.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2017 12:11 pm 1. Rule numero uno, above all other rules: Saviors don't work for free. We'll put our weight behind the best offer.
2. Ape no kill Ape. Anyone who takes this deal is protected by it from any other takers.
3. No offer, great or small, will ever be enough for me (and by extension any of the Saviors) to turn on, provoke, or otherwise interfere with SVS.
4. Any member of this pact has an equal say in the actions take by the pact.

I'd argue that we need to limit membership due to the small amount of people left in the game, with the number topping out at 5. So, there's one empty slot. If Bass or Tranq decide not to be involved, than they can be replaced.

The four named in INH's post all "agreed to be in DH's group last night." They formed a clique. The numerical error for them is that their crew is at four members, with six outsiders outnumbering them by two. If they want to stick together in that fashion, then they have essentially declared themselves a mafia who will work together to outlast the outsiders.

In other words, if that quartet have pledged not to vote one another and pledged not to kill one another, then they will be mustering their resources against them that ain't them. If you ain't them, then you is us, and them is gonna put the hurtin on us if us don't put a hurtin' on them.

Bass_the_Clever wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 1:31 pm Nope it was simple. You guys saw how the last lynch went down. We were out to get anyone just help a few people out.
What's crazy is epi last lynch said he was safe from a lynch last night he killed and you are willing to leave a mad man like that in the game.

Mad?

I am only as mad as the elements I interact with.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 1:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 1:24 pm In other words, if that quartet have pledged not to vote one another and pledged not to kill one another, then they will be mustering their resources against them that ain't them. If you ain't them, then you is us, and them is gonna put the hurtin on us if us don't put a hurtin' on them.

If the quartet was exclusive, members-only, then you'd have a point.

But, the way it stands, membership application is open and free. People are gonna form alliances in this game, that much is a definite. At least we're being fair by allowing anyone to join.

Open and free? So everybody gets to join and work together as a team? All right!

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2017 11:49 pm I'd argue that we need to limit membership due to the small amount of people left in the game, with the number topping out at 5. So, there's one empty slot. If Bass or Tranq decide not to be involved, than they can be replaced.

Oh.

You can frame it however you would like, but what you've made public is that you four won't be killing one another and won't be voting one another. Is that true?

If so, then it's all I need to know in order to conclude that you four are a threat to the continued existence of the majority, and that all it takes is for your quartet to lynch two people who aren't in your posse, manage to kill one of the outsiders, and then, provided you experience no misfortune during the Night phase, you will have obtained a majority. Four of you against three of us. And you can pick us off at will.

Nah.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 2:27 pm The alliance is only a danger to you if you aren't willing to join the alliance.

By doing that, you're making a conscious choice not to work with the group.

And if nobody else joins, the alliance is a danger to six other people...

...which makes it not much of a danger.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 3:08 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 1:01 pm I still think Glorfindel, as nice a fellow as he is, is the best option for lynching.

And just why might that be, my friend?

Pure selfishness. I don't want other people potentially having what I have.

But that's taken a backseat to this cult speedchuck has unwisely joined.

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 4:07 pm Yes, there's Epig. Though i'm not a fan of that surviving another lynch talk. As nutella said the other day, if true it's a waste of a vote.

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 4:22 pm Possible if he managed to fuse with 2 players of the same element 2 days in a row. Then again, if so, when does it end?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 1:35 pm

Bass_the_Clever wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 1:31 pm Nope it was simple. You guys saw how the last lynch went down. We were out to get anyone just help a few people out.
What's crazy is epi last lynch said he was safe from a lynch last night he killed and you are willing to leave a mad man like that in the game.

Mad?

I am only as mad as the elements I interact with.

So this means he interacted with an element that made him unlynchable during Day 2. He should be lynchable today (if he didn't get lucky twice in a row), and if not, could get immunity again Day 4.

Yeah i'm ok with an Epignosis vote

I'll be around for another 2 hours max if you decide otherwise.

I love you and your assumptions. I didn't survive a lynch. So this isn't talk of surviving another. It's still talk of surviving one.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 4:32 pm
I think the odds of him fusing with the right people to ensure his immunity two days in a row are low.

What about the odds of fusing with the right person once?

That's all it took.

If I think I'm going to be lynched today, I'm just going to target Glorfindel again. That buys me another lynch immunity. Simple.

I'm off to drink beer and eat grilled things.

Clique members on me. I'd suggest you all load up votes on one of them, or the rest of you are done. With my "lynch," the numbers will be 5-4 in favor of the outsiders.

"He-Man Woman Haters Club."

Killed Wilgy. A dude.

Y'all funny.

I don't get the "needs to be lynched" comment either.

Who doesn't need to be lynched? This is why I'm staying out of LMS games from here on out. No real persuasion necessary.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 9:20 pm Everyone is a threat, you are a bigger threat. I have yet to find a way to kill anyone. I suspect my only way to do so died already. I don't want to keep someone around who can kill or get lynch immunity.

I can't kill. My avenue for killing has died, Mr. liar liar I'm not darkness. If he were still around, I would be targeting him early and often and picking off his goons one by one. You did notice I picked off Wilgy, right?

So I'm a little unimpressed that you want to side with his goons, but so be it. You won't get anywhere today lynching me, and you won't get anywhere tomorrow either.

Meanwhile DH's posse is having their way with the polls.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 9:19 pm My biggest reason is you are a threat to anyone who remains in the game with your ability to get a lynch save and apparently a kill as someone else pointed out too.

"Apparently a kill as someone pointed out too."

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2017 11:55 pm I killed Wilgy, in case anybody wants to know.

I am the least impressed by speedchuck. First hired, first fired, buddy. You goofed.

I put my vote on INH. The way things stand, Eloh will die and either no one else will, or a runner-up will be lynched too. If the latter, I'm hoping it's INH.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 9:40 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 9:37 pm I am the least impressed by speedchuck. First hired, first fired, buddy. You goofed.

I'm still feeling pretty good about all this, honestly. Better than I would have felt on the other side of a hiring.
And you just said you can't kill.

I just said I can't kill?

What's that got to do with being fired? I didn't hire you.

Shower time!

Shower is occupied. So I must wait a bit.

How am I a massive threat? I targeted Glorfindel Night 1 and can't be lynched one time.

I targeted DH Night 2 and killed Wilgy.

I'm just playing the game- no more and no less than anybody else is. You're trying to make up "threatening" people to get others to do what they want. I'm not a threat. I'm the opposite of that. I'm someone who came in declaring that he would help someone else win. That person isn't on your little squad.

So hell yeah, I'm a threat to your squad. If I get night killed, so what? I'm used to that and have no control over that. What I don't want to see is your pissy little "Anybody can work with us but not really" team get an advantage over the outsiders.

But the outsiders are voting for other outsiders, so eh.

spacedaisy, nutella, and Glorfindel should move their votes to INH and make INH vote for me. I'd still burn a lynch (not ideal), but INH would go down.

And speedy should reconsider his life choices.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:05 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 9:54 pm Shower is occupied. So I must wait a bit.

How am I a massive threat? I targeted Glorfindel Night 1 and can't be lynched one time.

I targeted DH Night 2 and killed Wilgy.

I'm just playing the game- no more and no less than anybody else is. You're trying to make up "threatening" people to get others to do what they want. I'm not a threat. I'm the opposite of that. I'm someone who came in declaring that he would help someone else win. That person isn't on your little squad.

So hell yeah, I'm a threat to your squad. If I get night killed, so what? I'm used to that and have no control over that. What I don't want to see is your pissy little "Anybody can work with us but not really" team get an advantage over the outsiders.

But the outsiders are voting for other outsiders, so eh.

My "pissy little team" which you took instant offense to for no discernable reason other than petty spite, even though it wasn't targeting you, and you could have easily joined the damn alliance if you were that damn threatened by it, wasn't in direct conflict with you until you decided to start one.

Also, I feel like we have a difference of opinion. We both keep reiterating two opposite viewpoints.

I say the Alliance is open to everyone and only a threat to people who don't want to join.

You say that the Alliance is a closed-off aristocracy and force some weird "insiders, outsiders" dichotomy.

Since I'm actually in the Alliance, I feel like I know more than you about what it actually is. Yet, you keep on keeping on.

I hope it was worth tanking both yours and Elo's game in an effort to tank mine.

You're not tanking my game. My game is never tanked in LMS. I go in and do exactly what I want, every time, free from the constraints of worrying about good judgment.

And do you know what?

I have never once betrayed someone in LMS. Not once. I've always been straight with people.

So what does this mean, outsiders?

I have told you this much:

1. I am doing my best to ensure one person wins (everybody will assume that's Eloh, but it isn't- if she wins, great, but I don't go out of my way to help or hinder her in these).

2. I've already disclosed that the person I am working toward helping isn't in the clique.

Therefore, given all that, would you, outsiders, rather burn a lynch on me when you could be voting for the people I don't want to win? Wouldn't you rather force them to find a way to Night kill me instead of you?

The one difference between me and everybody else here is that I'm not here for myself, and I've demonstrated that every single LMS game I've ever participated in.

Yet I have more votes than INH, Mr. Manipulator.

Y'all have fun getting backstabbed. I'll be around to see some of it.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:22 pm Well...they want to end at 11 if possible.

Eh...just when I left, no one was talking about lynching me and when I return, I'm ties for moat votes. Just sucks qhen i cannot do anything about it because i have no way to connect if out of the house. But i was home for hours today and was the one that finally got discussion started because everyone was being so quiet. I think it was tranq that said he thought everyone was just too chicken to get discussion going. Not me. And look at the results.

Lots of linki i feel i shouldn't waste my time on

You shouldn't. People want us out. Let them I guess. I think the outsiders are doing exactly what DH's clan wants, and that's on them, not me.

nutella, you don't want INH out. Fine. But you're voting (sigh) an outsider.

I feel like all of you want to lose to the club-wielding neanderthal.

Can we all get on one of them please?

Switching to Tranq might be feasible. That would ensure at least one of their crew is down.

Switching to Tranq.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:28 pm The only reason I'm not lynching INH is that he is (supposedly) providing a direct benefit to me tonight. After that I'm happy to eliminate the clique members. It would have been nice if one or two of them besides INH had gotten votes today, but so it goes.

You don't understand.

There may be no "after that."

Eloh, if you can swing down to Tranq, that would be nice.

Now if one of Spacedaisy or Glorfindel could move to Tranq, then I could either burn the lynch or pass it on to Eloh, which I'd rather not do, if that's how it happened, so maybe one of you could vote for Tranq and one of you could vote Quin or Bass to have one vote there in case my immunity flips elsewhere.

Quin then?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:37 pm Right in time, good call, at least one lynch will be spent on him even if it doesn't kill him. I don't like the Tranq train, but with these numbers I am uncertain how to stop that. What are your thoughts INH?

Linki: I am not voting Tranq, I've made that clear from Day 1, Glorf and Tranq are in my no lynch list. I made a deal with INb and I won't be going after one of his members because he has made good on it.

Oh never mind. I see. "Won't be going after one of his members."

So daisy is ultimately one of them.

I didn't know that. Daisy, I was working for you to win, and now I don't care.

I don't have a lynch immunity and lied. Lynch me and be done.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:42 pm Is there any reason you won't join our alliance, Eloh?

You're about to find out how much of an alliance it is.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:49 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:43 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:37 pm Right in time, good call, at least one lynch will be spent on him even if it doesn't kill him. I don't like the Tranq train, but with these numbers I am uncertain how to stop that. What are your thoughts INH?

Linki: I am not voting Tranq, I've made that clear from Day 1, Glorf and Tranq are in my no lynch list. I made a deal with INb and I won't be going after one of his members because he has made good on it.

Oh never mind. I see. "Won't be going after one of his members."

So daisy is ultimately one of them.

I didn't know that. Daisy, I was working for you to win, and now I don't care.

I don't have a lynch immunity and lied. Lynch me and be done.

I'm not one of them, but I made an agreement specifically for this lynch. And I won't go back on that as long as they are upholding their end of the agreement.

That's fine, but I lied about the lynch protection because pairing with Glorfindel gave me a Night kill protection instead.

I have been trying to draw a kill away from others all this time.

Can't seem to ever do it when I want to.

Oh well. Have fun everyone. LMS is not for me. Every time I try to work for someone else (which is every time), I end up getting burned by the person I'm trying to work for. I get it, but it isn't for me.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:49 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:43 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:37 pm Right in time, good call, at least one lynch will be spent on him even if it doesn't kill him. I don't like the Tranq train, but with these numbers I am uncertain how to stop that. What are your thoughts INH?

Linki: I am not voting Tranq, I've made that clear from Day 1, Glorf and Tranq are in my no lynch list. I made a deal with INb and I won't be going after one of his members because he has made good on it.

Oh never mind. I see. "Won't be going after one of his members."

So daisy is ultimately one of them.

I didn't know that. Daisy, I was working for you to win, and now I don't care.

I don't have a lynch immunity and lied. Lynch me and be done.

I'm not one of them, but I made an agreement specifically for this lynch. And I won't go back on that as long as they are upholding their end of the agreement.

And that makes you one of them until you're not.

Bass_the_Clever wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:54 pm Come work with us.

You know what? Fuck it.

What do I have to do?

I am Benedict Arnold and ready to take orders.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:56 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:55 pm

Bass_the_Clever wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:54 pm Come work with us.

You know what? Fuck it.

What do I have to do?

i think this epignosis guy isnt being totally truthful here

I'm now cowtowing to you, heifer.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:58 pm Who all is in this alliance, chuck?

Everybody who ain't.

Bass_the_Clever wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 11:00 pm Moving my vote to Elo. Let's see how the chips fall.

No, no. I'll vote for myself before I permit that.

Listen guys, Eloh enjoys this LMS shit more than I do.

Lynch me instead. I'm tired of it, to be honest. If you don't lynch me, I'm quitting. So go ahead and do me in. I'm done.

If you want me around, lynch somebody else. I signed up for this not knowing it was LMS. I signed up thinking it was something else and then felt like a moron when I saw it was another LMS thing (I had just been burned by Scotty's girlfriend, whom I said I was going to help).

It just isn't my thing. There's no mystery to solve. No detective work to be done. No...mafia. Just gangs of people. That ain't for me.