The Syndicate

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:16 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:57 pm @Sloonei
@colonialbob

What do you think of Epi's vote for LC?

I'm not loving this version of Epignosis. He seems to be working harder at discrediting the accusations against him than actually figuring out the players making the accusations. This doesn't look like the crafty town Epignosis who will get under people's skin for the sake of reading them without any fear or regard for his own appearance. Instead he looks like he's trying to fight his way out of a corner.

I don't disagree with this. Epi's playstyle is argumentative, but in my experience he favours offense over defence.

Is this an accurate representation of your gameplay, Epi?

I don't have a "playstyle." I do whatever justice bids me do.

Quin, I believe you cast the first stone, and have now moved on to nutella. Supposing both of us were dead, who would get your vote and why?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:39 am I don't like this Epi lynch. Feels like there's a bunch of scum surrounding him like vultures waiting to see if they can lynch him or not. Lots of people "kind of" wanting to vote for him.

At this stage, I had two votes for sure (LC and Quin).

DDL made a sweeping accusation of people who had not voted for me. He voted Sloonei at one point for "fence-sitting," but then voted nutella. His votes are thus quite consistent with his posts, except for this:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:23 pm I've just noticed something, after reading Bob's "vote early/often" expression.

In a standard NF game I change my vote 3-4 times every phase, give or take. I vote often and boldly.

But here I feel like I have some restraint voting, perhaps because of the first games I played in this forum that didn't allow changing votes.

I've been having better results as a civ there than here, so I'll try to keep that in mind. I should vote more often.

I don't understand why this post exists.

I've moved to DDL.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:53 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:49 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:40 am We have an hour and a half left. The top three vote getters are Nutella, LC, and Jack.

If the best person to lynch today is anyone but one of those three then we need to decide that now before we get caught up in some vote-rush shenanigans

What if doing something now is a shenanigan in itself?

I guess technically it would be... shenanigans are exponentially more dangerous the faster they happen

Dangerous for whom?

I am running low on strength, insight, and beer.

There are presently eight missing votes.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:11 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:47 pm How come Mars gets to have such a big mountain?

gravity bruh

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:22 pm y'all talk too much

That's all from Dom. I would lynch him.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:53 pm Yay game!

This theme is pretty cool, just saying. Cool mountains, Marmot.

That's all from MP. I would lynch him.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:22 am Should we lynch DDL, Dom, or MP? Or Glorf?

Are they more likely to be Mafia than nutella?

Nobody is more likely to be mafia than anybody else.

However, if all of the low activity / non-voting people are civilians, the game is over before it's begun.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:33 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:24 am You know that feeling you get when you're with some friends and you're deciding what resturaunt to go to and then 5 people out of 19 of your buds say Applebee's and you're just like... 'Wow I mean I guess they have good cocktails?' so then you ask your other friends if they have any better ideas and then 3 of them casually recommend a cafeteria they know that's inside of a local hospital and it's out of the way but their tuna sandwich is kind of okay?

That's kind of where I'm at rn

My understanding of your metaphor is contingent upon knowing whether or not Applebee's actually serves good cocktails.

They don't.

Outside of lynching mafia, that was the best possible Day 1 outcome one could hope for.

I agree with Spacedaisy's post below, but would like to add some commentary.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:43 am I disagree with the Sutter Buttes one. We have not yet had a night in which to turn any actions in. The Sutter Buttes hide a fellow little mountain at night and it decreases the vote tally against them the following day. I think this can be discounted as a reason for what occurred.

If Everest, then it might not be her
If Aconcagua, then it is her
If Pico Cristobal Colon, then it doesn't have to be her, but they must be someone who feels confident using their one time power to save her...
If Matterhorn, ??? we just don't know enough to eliminate this one
Disregarding Sutter Buttes for reasons already stated above...
Olympus Mons, same boat as Matterhorn

This doesn't clear her, but her survival is in no way a clear indication of her being bad. in fact I think her behavior might actually be explained by a couple of these possibilities and leans me even more towards my previous belief that Nutella is not bad.

The most likely scenario is that one of the Long Con voters is Everest. Five out of nineteen is 26.3%.

nutella being Aconcagua is 5.3%.

nutella being Pico Cristobal Colon is 5.3%, while five missing voters is 26.3%. Additionally, it isn't common practice to stop the very first lynch, when the least amount of information is available.

With all the revealed vote manipulation abilities in play, I am less inclined to believe Matterhorn's ability relates to vote manipulation.

I agree that the Sutter Buttes ability was not in play Day 1.

With all the revealed vote manipulation abilities in play, I am less inclined to believe Olympus Mons' ability relates to vote manipulation.

Two more observations:

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:24 am Let's at least make this a tie k

First, nutella was interested in making it a tie, which implies an advantage to be had on her part if the result was a tie.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:47 pm Thanks, nut!

Hey, are you a little mountain?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:48 pm hahahahhah very no

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:32 pm Since Mount Everest is the highest mountain in the world

Second, this autocorrect folly:

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:43 pm *vote Nutella*

I want to hear more of what LC has to say because he has my ear

From Nutella i haven’t picked up icy over the course of checking in throughout today

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:44 pm Picked up anything*

Anything is icy people,

Autocorrect is a gift

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:04 pm well sprit all I can say is I sure am icy, ha ha

Okay then.

All of these circumstances point to nutella as being cleared. I see no scenario outside of the independent (or an unwise intervention on the part of Senhor 1492) that points to nutella being bad.

And if she is bad, I swear by Fuck Mountain I will flip a table.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:05 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:45 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:35 am nvm. Might have been Kyle.

me

i can't allow Nutella the security of a potential tie, not with someone I think is civ

Like I'm fairly certain Kyle is town.

Perhaps, but it should be noted that on Day 1, the only known lynch manipulations were in the hands of civilians. Any tie could only be secretly broken by a civilian, not mafia.

Mesk514 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:45 am
2 - Not too sure how I feel about Epiklsflaflgadfjlghfg (i can't spell) but the first few pages I was actually thinking questioning how one could be so confident on a players alignment. I was totally imaging some big buff he man like dude walking up and being like HEY, THESE TWO FUCKERS ARE GOOOOD ARRRRRRRRR I NO VOTE THEM, ARRR and while I feel intimidated into wanting to believe them... honey, i don't know you and you don't know me... at least take me on a date once before you try and assert your dominance

First of all, I'm pretty sure Epiklsflaflgadfjlghfg is a mountain in Iceland.

Second, I don't sound like that! I hold a baccalaureate in English language and literature!

Third, I never said any two people are good. I don't know why that canard keeps creeping up. Saying I'm not going to vote colonialbob Day 1 because he amused me is not the same as saying he is good. And it isn't like anybody else voted colonialbob or expressed suspicion of him (everybody must be "buddying" colonialbob! ). I called you good because you were the first person to give me that impression. Is that impression wrong?

I also believe you are making the same mistake a lot of people routinely make, that my refusal to load my posts with hedging language and weasel words is indicative of some domineering attitude. It isn't. Prefacing everything I say with "I think" or "In my opinion" is redundant: Of course it's what I think. Similarly, ending every idea with, "Of course, I could be wrong" is equally pointless. I hope that makes sense.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:32 am
I do find Epi's ddl vote to be odd, he very much avoided both wagons and any fallout by voting that way.

And it's a damn good thing I did. I came very close to sealing the deal and pushing nutella over the cliff. I'm glad I restrained myself.

We don't need fallout. We need clarity. Restraint purchased the latter.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:23 am I agree with everything Epi said (minus statistics about a LC voter saving Nutella but he basically throws that idea out later).

Also, I still think Epi is bad. I tend to want to give him the benefit of the doubt because he's such a good dancer but very little has changed that would cause me to actually change my Epi scumread.




Is Eloh the crazy cake lady?

Need to reevaluate those who promoted the switch from Epi to Nutella. If Epi is bad, there may be some baddies there.

Again, I do not understand your mindset. The "if" clause is not necessary for your "then" clause to be true.

A favorite tactic of mine when I am bad is facilitating a late switch from one civilian to another, which generates the usual, "So-and-so was being saved."

It keeps the person who was originally getting lynched in hot water and in defense mode, while mafia can set up a lynch of one of the supposed "saviors."

If you are married to the "If" clause, then lynch me first, learn that you are a doofus, and go from there.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:57 pm I'm voting for Long Con but I'm working and can't explain why at the moment.

I didn't see any explanation for this. A few sentences would have sufficed.

Instead, the posts leading up to the lynch never addressed the Long Con vote.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:12 am I thought I'd have more time to dig into this between coming home from work and the end of day. I'll do things, but not as much as I hoped. If I like the nutella wagon I'll solidify it. If not then you're all jerks.

I also don't understand this post. Rather than offer that explanation for the LC vote, Sloonei excused himself, and then said that last sentence, which is what I really don't get.

"If I like the nutella wagon I'll solidify it (which I assume means he'll change his vote to nutella). If [I don't like the nutella wagon] then you're all jerks."

That doesn't make any sense to me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:42 pm
A little

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:42 pm
A little

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:42 pm
A little

Busted.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:52 am What LC potential scumslip?

The "how does he know they are townies" bit?

Epi had cause and effect reversed.

Just jumping in. I don't even know the context.

Would Epi reversing cause and effect reveal anything about his mindstate?

No, because there's no identifiable cause or effect in a circular argument.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:53 pm I'm here. 500+ posts behind. Lemme catch up and I'll answer questions.

You better start reading a hell of a lot faster.

Spacedaisy, what would your opinion of me be if I had gone ahead and voted for nutella?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:39 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:19 pm Spacedaisy, what would your opinion of me be if I had gone ahead and voted for nutella?

Probably still in my tinfoil feeling. Because my biggest suspicion of you is that I think the exchange between you and LC feels off, it feels different than past exchanges. And I think you feel different. Your treatment of Nutella is only a part of it. I think it is strange that by the time I was reading everything that occurred you had the most talk of suspicion surrounding you, but no votes. I don't get that. I also don't get your demeanor.

The way I perceive your baddie play is based entirely off what I have seen you do while I was hosting you. You find the pressure point that gets a rise out of the people going after you, you hit those pressure points hard so that the player gets upset and discredits him or herself. As a civ you go over and over and over and over what you think is a flaw in logic or accusation. And you are fairly insulting about it. Here you did a bit of repetition with very little insult and then just seemed like you shrugged and walked off. I just don't get what you are doing. The only sense I can make of it is that you and LC are baddie teammates who planned to go after each other.

Or, I don't know...this is just a crazy idea, I realize...but maybe...

...I've been trying to stop doing that altogether?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:58 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:45 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:39 pmThe only sense I can make of it is that you and LC are baddie teammates who planned to go after each other.

So, according to you, Epi and I must have been sitting in BTSC, rubbing our hands together going, "Oh boy, let's get into it in the thread! This is going to be great! Just watch us cruise to victory by arguing about some logical misundestanding on Day 1, and then BOOM, we win and they'll never know what hit them! "

I can't believe you actually think this.

I have played on baddie teams with Epi, I most certainly do believe that he would love to bus his teammate right off the bat.

Another common unfounded belief about me. I don't know why it keeps coming up. I most certainly do not like the idea of bussing a teammate right off the bat (or ever). I've done it literally one time in history (DDL in Guess Who?) and it was for the sheer novelty of it, as I had never done it before. The only other occasions I recall bussing a teammate was out of necessity because the teammate had already talked himself into a corner and there wasn't any coming back from it (Scotty in one of G-Man's games was one of those rare instances).

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:58 pm And you guys always go after each other, every game you play together without fail. You both know to do otherwise would look suspicious. I doubt the topic of your shouting at each other was worked out in advance. So now you are telling me you think it was all a misunderstanding? You don't believe Epi is supicious?

My issue with your whole back and forth was this, you were reaching to the max and you know it. And Epi didn't respond like someone who really wants to get you lynched even though he should have if he were civ. Neither of you behaved normally in this.

Linki: That possibility is the only thing making me feel like this might all be tinfoiling and exactly why I didn't vote for LC in the last lynch. Also why I have decided either you two are baddies together or you (Epi) are civ.

I didn't really want to get LC lynched outside of the mindset that, whether he was good or not, if he got lynched, I wouldn't have to waste my time with his crappy accusations against me. I knew that was my mindset, and that I had been there before, and that if LC isn't bad and I'm only dissatisfied with his performance, I'm not helping myself by trying to get him lynched.

Doing the same thing over and over isn't normal. Learning from the past is.

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little mountains."

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:50 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:34 pm What I do find confusing Jack is why you both believe Epi is bad and at the same time said you agree with him that Nutella is bad and your vote ended on Nutella. Where do you stand currently on Epi?

*eyebrow raise*

I thought I agreed with Epi on Night 1 that Nutella was good. If Epi agreed with me she was bad, that coincidental. My D1 Nutella read predated him taking a loud stance on her.

I still think Epi is bad. I want him to be good but the buddying and trying to scare people off him instead of hunting and pretending to not understand the case on him (misrepresenting LC) are still there so he's still bad imo.

Does it ever occur to you that...

...I'm only "buddying" somebody if I'm bad? (Circular argument)
...Scaring people off me is only a bad thing if I'm bad? (Circular argument)
...Not "hunting" is only your perspective because you assume I'm bad? (Circular argument)
...I'm not pretending to not understand the case on me because the case is circular bullshit?

You don't want me to be good. You want me to be bad.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:29 pm Just a friendly reminder that the buddying case on Epi was just the worst

See above.

Or the previous page.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:50 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:34 pm What I do find confusing Jack is why you both believe Epi is bad and at the same time said you agree with him that Nutella is bad and your vote ended on Nutella. Where do you stand currently on Epi?

*eyebrow raise*

I thought I agreed with Epi on Night 1 that Nutella was good. If Epi agreed with me she was bad, that coincidental. My D1 Nutella read predated him taking a loud stance on her.

I still think Epi is bad. I want him to be good but the buddying and trying to scare people off him instead of hunting and pretending to not understand the case on him (misrepresenting LC) are still there so he's still bad imo.

Does it ever occur to you that...

...I'm only "buddying" somebody if I'm bad? (Circular argument)
...Scaring people off me is only a bad thing if I'm bad? (Circular argument)
...Not "hunting" is only your perspective because you assume I'm bad? (Circular argument)
...I'm not pretending to not understand the case on me because the case is circular bullshit?

You don't want me to be good. You want me to be bad.

Saying someone is acting bad assumes they really are bad. Otherwise, you're misinterpreting.

Ergo, all scumhunting is bunk.

Assuming someone is bad and then assigning evil motivations to everything he does isn't hunting. It's bullshit.

That's what Long Con did. I have to be bad in order to "buddy" someone (stupid word used in the context of mafia, might I add- "pocket" is a far superior, grown-up term). If I'm not bad, then I can't possibly be pocketing anybody, and the argument is circular bullshit. You have to assume I'm bad to believe I'm pocketing anybody. You cannot prove I am pocketing anybody until you have established that I am bad. You cannot do that without lynching me.

Or is that too much cause and effect for you?

OR RIGHT HERE. Stupid posts getting hung up.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:42 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:36 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:31 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:29 pm Just a friendly reminder that the buddying case on Epi was just the worst

why?

All Epi did was throw out a couple of names that pleased him, in one form or another, and said he wasn't going to vote them D1.

Burden of proof on you guys. Give me a valid reason that this is scummy behavior. It doesn't make sense as a long game. Calling what Epi did "buddying" is like calling a D1 vote "hate mongering".

It's hard to argue against something that doesn't make sense, as Epi found out, but if you can explain the case in a way that doesn't sound insane, I'll give you some nebulous speedchuck points and rescind my opinion.

I just figured it wasn't typical Epi behavior. Quin said the "ok I'm voting for Epi, do you guys know why" thing and I instantly understood that he was reacting to Epi naming townreads (or at least people he wouldn't vote for, whatever) since he posted it right after the post in question, and I took Quin's post to imply that he found that to be specifically unusual for Epi to do. I have nothing against naming townreads as a D1 behavior in general, but specifically Epi doing so felt out of character.

I don't understand people's perception of me.

I have been identifying people I find good for almost a year or more now as a means of whittling down a mass of people in trying to find a sensible place to put my vote each Day. I also actively look for reasons why a person should not be lynched.

Doing those things now for a long time. I don't understand how that is out of character.

Here, however, I only found one person good for a minor reason Day 1 (Mesk) and nobody else. One.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:42 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:48 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:36 pm I see Elohcin!

I still feel like you were voting epi for a nonsense reason which is what mafia will do.

Would love some content from you outside of LC v Epi.

Okay, I've finally caught up instead of folding laundry as a good wife and mother would. I am overwhelmed with all the info.

I like daisy this game and feel she is civ. She seems to be genuinely scum-hunting. At first, I liked her accusations...thoyght they could be valid. After catching up though, and tonanswer her question to me, I feel Epi is being genuine. I actually believe him that he is trying to be nicer and back off on the insults. Everything he has said is true. When he referred to not voting for bob and mesk on day 1...he never did say he thought they were good. And he is right about being falsly accused of liking to bus teammates early in a game. His meta doesn't show that he likes to do that often.

I gave a reason why I found Mesk good only. Not colonialbob.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:23 pm I am the person Epi allegedly tried to intimidate on Day 1. He was not trying to intimidate me.

I was also the first person to bring up what has been dubbed his "buddying" of two players. I do not think this is a valid line of suspicion. It is on par with my Day 0 Daisy prod.

The case against Epignosis is a silly one.

What about the bits regarding bad handwaives of noncircular reasoning as circular reasoning and junk about "how does LC know those players are civs" etc?

Do you think Epi was being dishonest? Do you think any of that was alignment indicative?

I think the questions about LC "knowing" certain players were civ was Epi throwing LC's logic back in his face. LC built a case where he makes broad assumptions about Epi, so Epi returns the favor. That's just how I saw it and he can tell me I'm wrong.

I don't know what else you are referring to here.

Correct. It could be argued that LC was "buddying" ( ) Mesk, colonialbob, and Sloonei by calling them all civilians in one post. My point was "That's hypocritical bullshit, dude."

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:20 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:16 am Outside of lynching mafia, that was the best possible Day 1 outcome one could hope for.

In a vacuum, or after the way day 1 started?

In this setup.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:21 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:22 pm y'all talk too much

I'm not voting for Dom on Day 2. For this is the best post in the thread.

He makes it every game.

I'm going to Taco Tequila Trivia Tuesday now.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:30 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:50 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:34 pm What I do find confusing Jack is why you both believe Epi is bad and at the same time said you agree with him that Nutella is bad and your vote ended on Nutella. Where do you stand currently on Epi?

*eyebrow raise*

I thought I agreed with Epi on Night 1 that Nutella was good. If Epi agreed with me she was bad, that coincidental. My D1 Nutella read predated him taking a loud stance on her.

I still think Epi is bad. I want him to be good but the buddying and trying to scare people off him instead of hunting and pretending to not understand the case on him (misrepresenting LC) are still there so he's still bad imo.

Does it ever occur to you that...

...I'm only "buddying" somebody if I'm bad? (Circular argument)
...Scaring people off me is only a bad thing if I'm bad? (Circular argument)
...Not "hunting" is only your perspective because you assume I'm bad? (Circular argument)
...I'm not pretending to not understand the case on me because the case is circular bullshit?

You don't want me to be good. You want me to be bad.

Saying someone is acting bad assumes they really are bad. Otherwise, you're misinterpreting.

Ergo, all scumhunting is bunk.

Assuming someone is bad and then assigning evil motivations to everything he does isn't hunting. It's bullshit.

That's what Long Con did. I have to be bad in order to "buddy" someone (stupid word used in the context of mafia, might I add- "pocket" is a far superior, grown-up term). If I'm not bad, then I can't possibly be pocketing anybody, and the argument is circular bullshit. You have to assume I'm bad to believe I'm pocketing anybody. You cannot prove I am pocketing anybody until you have established that I am bad. You cannot do that without lynching me.

Or is that too much cause and effect for you?

You're still doing it backwards.

The claim was you appeared to be buddying therefore, you are bad and they are good.

What's so hard about this?

Because me pocketing someone is begging the question. That's shit.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:36 pm Everyone should tell me what things in this thread you feel are most important/most warrant my attention and discussion among those I didn't just address.

This isn't going to be a sexy take, but I'd like some of the inactives to be removed. After all of that Day 1 business, I only get the impression DDL is bad, and that's the best I could do. I always have more concrete opinions after a Day 1. This feels like civilians all tearing into one another, and while a part of me should know better, that's where I am right now.

JJJ is bad for buddying me.

I had Tuesday.

I had Tacos.

I had Trivia. Sort of (the lady gave me a dirty look because I called out the answer. Apparently there are rules. I'm sorry if I know the name of Boston's drummer who died recently and nobody else has a clue).

Didn't have tequila though. Maker's Mark for me.

Carry on.

Is that Bill Clinton with a syringe in his dick?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:51 pm Is that Bill Clinton with a syringe in his dick?

A Bill Clinton corkscrew. For opening bottles and such.

Makes sense. Hillary doesn't have a can.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:13 pm Okay. Cards on the table. Hope this doesn't count as info dumping.























I'm 30. Am I LC junior or is he JoH junior?

Long Con has toenail clippings older than you.

srsnod dude. Not nod.

As of right now, my vote is going to Dom tomorrow. He's been here as long as I have, and game after game he acts like everybody gets three or four posts a piece. And acting is what he does.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:06 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:01 am As of right now, my vote is going to Dom tomorrow. He's been here as long as I have, and game after game he acts like everybody gets three or four posts a piece. And acting is what he does.

Is this idea annoyance based or do you think this is alignment indicative for Dom?

I already spoke on this, did I not? If you are good, and LC is good, and I'm good, then there's a lot of talkative people going after each other and far more people doing nothing and getting away with it.

Lynch a quiet fucker.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:17 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:53 pm @Long Con

Your thoughts?

Also, did this give you a bell notification?

Yeah, I got a bell.

My thoughts? I like Epi's latest idea. Let's lynch Dom. Or DDL. You still want that, Ep?

It's Night 1. I'll make up my mind Day 2.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:13 am K2 is somebody who knows how to handle a semicolon.

But not a comma.

Nobody wants to discuss why it's Day 2 and everybody is still alive? Okay.

Possibility #1: Aconcagua was targeted with the kill.

Possibility #2: Chimborazo was targeted with the kill and borrowed Aconcagua ability that same night.

Possibility #3: Kilimanjaro was targeted with the kill and activated its ability that same night (which I hope isn't the case).

Possibility #4: Mont Blanc did the Tube Snake Boogie and one of the above also happened.

Possibility #5: Matterhorn ???

Possibility #6: Olympus Mons ???

Possibility #7: Wrekin, England is the only member of the team able to submit a kill, and he was asleep at the hill.

Am I missing any?

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Off-topic, but I noticed the roles used to say "Puncak Jaya may send a storm to another player each night" and that a storm was a silence or curse of choice. Either I am remembering wrong, or that was edited.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:48 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:27 am Nobody wants to discuss why it's Day 2 and everybody is still alive? Okay.

Possibility #1: Aconcagua was targeted with the kill.

Possibility #2: Chimborazo was targeted with the kill and borrowed Aconcagua ability that same night.

Possibility #3: Kilimanjaro was targeted with the kill and activated its ability that same night (which I hope isn't the case).

Possibility #4: Mont Blanc did the Tube Snake Boogie and one of the above also happened.

Possibility #5: Matterhorn ???

Possibility #6: Olympus Mons ???

Possibility #7: Wrekin, England is the only member of the team able to submit a kill, and he was asleep at the hill.

Am I missing any?

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Off-topic, but I noticed the roles used to say "Puncak Jaya may send a storm to another player each night" and that a storm was a silence or curse of choice. Either I am remembering wrong, or that was edited.

Yeah, it said "silence or insanity of your choice" I believe.

If I were Kilimanjaro, I would have activated my ability last night. You never know how long you're going to last in a game, and I'd really feel silly if I got nightkilled with three protections in my pocket. I guess you think it's strategically better to wait until later game?

I would have a problem with a host who allowed a single inactive player to prevent the team from making a night 1 kill, because that's bullshit.

Why did you mention #4?

Either I misread it the first time, or Kilimanjaro was edited too. My reaction reading it originally was, "If you activate your ability, you have effectively killed yourself, because now you don't have a vote." Now I see Kilimanjaro will have a vote worth one less for the following Day only. That's good news then.

I raise #7 because I've seen things like that before. In Street Fighter, only a certain member could kill each Night, and that kill rotated through the team. I realize that isn't the same thing, but an inactive teammate could have cost the team a kill.

Is #4 not a possibility? "Mont Blanc Tunnel - Blanc may switch two players, switching their targets as well as redirecting night actions targeted at one to the other." I just went down the roles and posted every conceivable circumstance.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:05 pm My vote is remaining on Elohcin.

Why?