The Syndicate

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:19 pm You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.
I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

I'm a fucking troubadour. I get the luxury of not caring if I'm Night killed.

I mean, I don't get that perspective. I'm a civilian, so I'm supposed to make the mafia comfortable keeping me around? What the hell is that?

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:37 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:36 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:19 pm You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.
I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?
No thanks. You're telling me that Epignosis should be broadcasting his intentions, whatever they may be, thus neutralizing their potential, all so he can avoid a night kill which is by the numbers already unlikely?

I hate this reasoning.
Epi doesn't have an equal chance of being nightkilled. He has higher change if scum think he has important power.

In Fiddler on the Roof, I deliberately played like shit early on and tried to bait the mafia into killing other people. Why? Because I was a protector and someone who had the chance to gain BTSC with three people, including the role checker.

Here, I'm Justin fucking Bieber. If the mafia want to kill me, they are going to have to do so at the expense of leaving other more powerful roles alive.

I was under the impression that you were good at this.

As far as I know, my win condition isn't to stay alive. It's to destroy evil.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:45 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:42 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:34 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:19 pm You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.
I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?
Rather good point
weren't you the one saying that townies should never be afraid to die?
If they are top suspect of town then they should go willingly to death to clear things up after saying their peace, but why make yourself target of scum

In the context of not fighting a lynch it's more likely to help town save time if you're too controversial and need to get out

The job of every civilian is to make the mafia rub their hands together every Night over whom to kill.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:51 pm holy fuck can you guys stop posting for 20 seconds?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:56 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:49 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:43 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:40 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:36 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:19 pm You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.
I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?
No thanks. You're telling me that Epignosis should be broadcasting his intentions, whatever they may be, thus neutralizing their potential, all so he can avoid a night kill which is by the numbers already unlikely?

I hate this reasoning.
No. He could say something like, "I think it'd be useful to see what people say." Or he could say "There might be patterns in who's picked." If he has a real strategy here that needs time to pan out, he shouldn't be daring the Mafia to kill him for it by saying he has a "damn good reason" to hide his intentions.
Absolute crap.

Simple question, Colin: what is the current phase?
Y'all, this condescending stuff is not gonna fly, I don't need to be in this game.

I don't see what I'm not communicating here. It is really, really strange for a townie, no matter the phase, to come into the thread and advertise themselves alone as a threat to the mafia. If you really think you have an ace in the hole or a way to get a leg up, you want to disguise it innocuously. You don't want to say stuff like "if the Mafia knew what I was doing, they'd try to stop me." Well, now they know they have a good reason to try to stop you either way, so it's USELESS.
This is completely sincere imo. I also don't see any reason why a scum Colin would have been adamant about not revealing his 4 reads. Indeed if anyone is willing to contribute to that exercise the most, it's the scum team while applying a large does of WIFOM. I didn't like the exercise either. I don't know Epi's motives behind it, and I don't really care much about the whole thing. Making a huge deal about someone who doesn't want to do what you demand is arrogant behavior really. It's like me starting a game of GTH reads and calling out anyone who doesn't participate. ya, nothx.

I do not suspect Colin for not naming names. There were several who didn't do that.

I suspect him for implying I was not mafia, discrediting my approach without seeing what I have to offer, and then suspecting me.

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:00 pm epignosis - His behavior feels a bit off

Off from what?

And how is it a bit off?

What are the degrees of offness?

What behavior would be "on?"

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:17 pm Epignosis what is your position on nutella?

No opinion.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:31 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:28 pm My whole point is irrelevant because I mistook him for sinagog. Moving on.
It may not be irrelevant, because I am sure the intensity of this brand of Mafia is not the same as what Colin was accustomed to in the early games on RYM. I don't know if that culture shock is a good reason for him to assume Epignosis should be hiding from night kills though. I just don't get that argument.
Some civs like to avoid night kills no? I'm sure we have had that conversation before.

Old timey Syndikats who are accustomed to survival win conditions might. I generally don't give a shit about avoiding kills. Granted, I rarely seem to get killed.

The structure of the argument, as I see it (correct me if it's a misinterpretation, Colin) is this:

A. Epignosis is employing an exercise which doesn't look especially productive.

B. Epignosis is not giving details about the purpose of the exercise or what he hopes to do with it because it might tip of the Mafia team to his intentions.

C. This means Epignosis is admitting to being a threat to the mafia and thus a potential night kill target.

D. A civilian shouldn't make himself so openly a night kill target.

~~~

I think (A) is too quick to discard the exercise when the day is young enough that there's no urgency for Epignosis to have any perspective other than (B). Moreover, I don't understand how (C) follows from (B) -- a gap in reasoning is being crossed and it makes little sense to me. Playing some exercise in the thread and keeping its purpose under wraps is not equivalent to having some unique power role which should terrify the mafia team. That logic is bizarre. (D) can be a matter of culture shock/clash. I think it's an overly simplistic portrayal of a broad strategic concept, but some people probably do avoid night kills even to the detriment of their own civilian team.

I should probably have like 40 civilian wins here but for that.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:31 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:28 pm My whole point is irrelevant because I mistook him for sinagog. Moving on.
It may not be irrelevant, because I am sure the intensity of this brand of Mafia is not the same as what Colin was accustomed to in the early games on RYM. I don't know if that culture shock is a good reason for him to assume Epignosis should be hiding from night kills though. I just don't get that argument.
Some civs like to avoid night kills no? I'm sure we have had that conversation before.
Old timey Syndikats who are accustomed to survival win conditions might. I generally don't give a shit about avoiding kills. Granted, I rarely seem to get killed.

The structure of the argument, as I see it (correct me if it's a misinterpretation, Colin) is this:

A. Epignosis is employing an exercise which doesn't look especially productive.

B. Epignosis is not giving details about the purpose of the exercise or what he hopes to do with it because it might tip of the Mafia team to his intentions.

C. This means Epignosis is admitting to being a threat to the mafia and thus a potential night kill target.

D. A civilian shouldn't make himself so openly a night kill target.

~~~

I think (A) is too quick to discard the exercise when the day is young enough that there's no urgency for Epignosis to have any perspective other than (B). Moreover, I don't understand how (C) follows from (B) -- a gap in reasoning is being crossed and it makes little sense to me. Playing some exercise in the thread and keeping its purpose under wraps is not equivalent to having some unique power role which should terrify the mafia team. That logic is bizarre. (D) can be a matter of culture shock/clash. I think it's an overly simplistic portrayal of a broad strategic concept, but some people probably do avoid night kills even to the detriment of their own civilian team.
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MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:58 pm Nutella has done several things that I have witnessed you call out as scum tells in other games. That plus comments made by dunya and myself and you have no opinion.

Form one or follow her to the grave.

I was posting as I was reading, so that looks like your prodding me made me comment on nutella. It didn't.

And I have no opinion on nutella.

Go fish.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:02 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:59 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:31 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:28 pm My whole point is irrelevant because I mistook him for sinagog. Moving on.
It may not be irrelevant, because I am sure the intensity of this brand of Mafia is not the same as what Colin was accustomed to in the early games on RYM. I don't know if that culture shock is a good reason for him to assume Epignosis should be hiding from night kills though. I just don't get that argument.
Some civs like to avoid night kills no? I'm sure we have had that conversation before.
Old timey Syndikats who are accustomed to survival win conditions might. I generally don't give a shit about avoiding kills. Granted, I rarely seem to get killed.

The structure of the argument, as I see it (correct me if it's a misinterpretation, Colin) is this:

A. Epignosis is employing an exercise which doesn't look especially productive.

B. Epignosis is not giving details about the purpose of the exercise or what he hopes to do with it because it might tip of the Mafia team to his intentions.

C. This means Epignosis is admitting to being a threat to the mafia and thus a potential night kill target.

D. A civilian shouldn't make himself so openly a night kill target.

~~~

I think (A) is too quick to discard the exercise when the day is young enough that there's no urgency for Epignosis to have any perspective other than (B). Moreover, I don't understand how (C) follows from (B) -- a gap in reasoning is being crossed and it makes little sense to me. Playing some exercise in the thread and keeping its purpose under wraps is not equivalent to having some unique power role which should terrify the mafia team. That logic is bizarre. (D) can be a matter of culture shock/clash. I think it's an overly simplistic portrayal of a broad strategic concept, but some people probably do avoid night kills even to the detriment of their own civilian team.
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I only took you to the dance. I wasn't trying to give you an orgasm.
Jay just has this electrifying effect on my body...

I've seen Jay twerk.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:14 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:03 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:58 pm Nutella has done several things that I have witnessed you call out as scum tells in other games. That plus comments made by dunya and myself and you have no opinion.

Form one or follow her to the grave.
I was posting as I was reading, so that looks like your prodding me made me comment on nutella. It didn't.

And I have no opinion on nutella.

Go fish.
You are very capable of forming one in spite of your overwhelming desire to be ever the contrarian so I would appreciate if you would.

You're itching to vote for me.

I'd rather see if you go for it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:20 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:14 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:03 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:58 pm Nutella has done several things that I have witnessed you call out as scum tells in other games. That plus comments made by dunya and myself and you have no opinion.

Form one or follow her to the grave.
I was posting as I was reading, so that looks like your prodding me made me comment on nutella. It didn't.

And I have no opinion on nutella.

Go fish.
You are very capable of forming one in spite of your overwhelming desire to be ever the contrarian so I would appreciate if you would.
You're itching to vote for me.

I'd rather see if you go for it.
Not at all. I believe nutella has done things you will scum read If you can be fucked to actually do it. Gah to heck with you.

I have perhaps the worst track record with nutella. The worst.

I defended her once as a lock civilian and she was bad and won. I don't even try early on anymore.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:28 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:20 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:14 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:03 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:58 pm Nutella has done several things that I have witnessed you call out as scum tells in other games. That plus comments made by dunya and myself and you have no opinion.

Form one or follow her to the grave.
I was posting as I was reading, so that looks like your prodding me made me comment on nutella. It didn't.

And I have no opinion on nutella.

Go fish.
You are very capable of forming one in spite of your overwhelming desire to be ever the contrarian so I would appreciate if you would.
You're itching to vote for me.

I'd rather see if you go for it.
Not at all. I believe nutella has done things you will scum read If you can be fucked to actually do it. Gah to heck with you.
I have perhaps the worst track record with nutella. The worst.

I defended her once as a lock civilian and she was bad and won. I don't even try early on anymore.
which game is that where you defended her and she was bad and won?

I searched for it, and apparently I reference Twelve Angry Men and Henry Fonda a lot.

I can look harder if you want, but I referenced that game in Mountains Mafia:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:57 pm @Sloonei
@colonialbob

What do you think of Epi's vote for LC?
I'm not loving this version of Epignosis. He seems to be working harder at discrediting the accusations against him than actually figuring out the players making the accusations. This doesn't look like the crafty town Epignosis who will get under people's skin for the sake of reading them without any fear or regard for his own appearance. Instead he looks like he's trying to fight his way out of a corner.
This is the version of Epignosis that is tired of Long Con making shit up about him.
I'll grant you that this is not the first time I've seen this show. But Long Con is not the only player who's said things about you.

If you could draw our attention to another player who's been off the radar so far, who would it be?
nutella, but I expressed doubt on that front. My problem with nutella is that I think I have been wrong on her every single time. Hell, last time I defended her Henry Fonda style, and she still turned out being bad.

At face value, I don't see how her comments about Quin's reasons for voting me or agreeing with you and LC make any sense. She said she'd vote for me if she didn't get anything better. That's weak, and sounds like she was just getting in an early comment about me so she could more comfortably vote against me later in the day. I have a hard time believing she was genuine there.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:34 pm @Epignosis it was probably Mass Effect?

Nah, I was independent there and wouldn't have bothered. I was a civilian in the game I'm talking about.

You lost your shit over something like the time of the poll ending. Really over the top. It's so powerful I refuse to believe any emotional outburst you ever have again.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:34 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:32 pm I searched for it, and apparently I reference Twelve Angry Men and Henry Fonda a lot.

I can look harder if you want, but I referenced that game in Mountains Mafia:
The Search for nutella

I remember other people's play better than they remember it.

I won't be voting for 3J today.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:38 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:37 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:34 pm @Epignosis it was probably Mass Effect?
Nah, I was independent there and wouldn't have bothered. I was a civilian in the game I'm talking about.

You lost your shit over something like the time of the poll ending. Really over the top. It's so powerful I refuse to believe any emotional outburst you ever have again.
Yeah that was SFQ. My team lost.

You did?

Well, you should have at lest won an Oscar. Jesus.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:46 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:32 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:16 pm have i convinced you, baby? *bats eyelashes*
I'm thinking it over. I remain baffled, and I am also trying to separate general confusion from suspicion. The suspicion of him you did support is quite like Epignosis's suspicion. What is your read on Colin overall?
I feel like his last post was emotional and sincere, and genuinely frustrated with you. (I know what it feels like to be at the wrong end of the stick with you).

the argument progression from scolding Epi's methods for being dangerous to town, and then calling him scum is suspicious, sure, but I will not be lynching him Day 1. I refuse to lynch any first timers I invited on Day 1. He deserves a chance to adapt after being thrown into such a huge game with so many new rules and faces.

THAT is player salad.

"I'm not lynching half the people in this game."

I get the sentiment, but if a new RYM person is the Don, then you are protecting that person. And this is an easy way to do it.

Fuck that. New people get no special treatment here because they make up half the field.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:04 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:58 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:46 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:32 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:16 pm have i convinced you, baby? *bats eyelashes*
I'm thinking it over. I remain baffled, and I am also trying to separate general confusion from suspicion. The suspicion of him you did support is quite like Epignosis's suspicion. What is your read on Colin overall?
I feel like his last post was emotional and sincere, and genuinely frustrated with you. (I know what it feels like to be at the wrong end of the stick with you).

the argument progression from scolding Epi's methods for being dangerous to town, and then calling him scum is suspicious, sure, but I will not be lynching him Day 1. I refuse to lynch any first timers I invited on Day 1. He deserves a chance to adapt after being thrown into such a huge game with so many new rules and faces.
THAT is player salad.

"I'm not lynching half the people in this game."

I get the sentiment, but if a new RYM person is the Don, then you are protecting that person. And this is an easy way to do it.

Fuck that. New people get no special treatment here because they make up half the field.
shrug. that's your decision. If we didn't have any other suspects, I might have looked into other leads, but since there's 5 scum, and I do have other suspects, I'm not lynching Colin Day 1 to please your whims. Like you said to someone else, this is a 24 player game, forget my vote and try to convince the other 21 to vote alongside you.

My decision is I might be lynching YOU. Your 300+ posts be damned.

My one-off power is a lynch switch.

I fully intend on using that today. I am going to decide who gets lynched if I don't see a lynch poll that I like. Colin is probably going to die. dunya maybe. I am here to burn out like a firework on the fourth of July. And I am drunk. And I will be drunk tomorrow. And I do you know what drunks with fireworks do? It isn't pretty.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:13 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:54 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:49 pm Y'all, this condescending stuff is not gonna fly, I don't need to be in this game.

I don't see what I'm not communicating here. It is really, really strange for a townie, no matter the phase, to come into the thread and advertise themselves alone as a threat to the mafia. If you really think you have an ace in the hole or a way to get a leg up, you want to disguise it innocuously. You don't want to say stuff like "if the Mafia knew what I was doing, they'd try to stop me." Well, now they know they have a good reason to try to stop you either way, so it's USELESS.
I don't intend to be condescending, so please don't take offense. I simply don't believe the argument you're putting forth here.

1.) Epignosis has a zero percent chance of being night killed on Day 1, so that we're talking about this at all is already goofy.

2.) Where is this brazen advertisement of being an imminent threat? Epignosis said he isn't going to tell you what he intends with his exercise because it would render the exercise pointless. Maybe it even is pointless. You haven't given it a chance though. Before it has ever developed, barely halfway into the day phase, you have discarded it as nothing. Why not give Epignosis time to do whatever he's doing before you make that decision? Maybe it's an hour to EOD and he still hasn't done shit. Then you can make this case more validly. It isn't that hard to fathom why this exercise might have value. First and foremost, what is the core source of this current dialogue? It's right in front of your face.

3.) The entire premise that a civilian inherently must play timidly to avoid night kills flies in the face of common sense. If you're an alignment cop, sure, be careful. Otherwise who gives a damn? The objective of this game is not to survive. It is to lynch mafia.
1) I don't understand why you think I'm worried about that. I know that doesn't happen. But what might happen if I came into this thread and said, "hey, I have a great idea to take down the mafia, but the mafia can't know about it." I'd probably be a target for the following night phase. Why not lay a little lower?

When the plan requires the participation of everyone else, how do you accomplish that while being quiet about it?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:44 pm My decision is I might be lynching YOU. Your 300+ posts be damned.
Why?

You've auto-cleared her. She is the subject of tinfoil no matter what. I think that's bullshit.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:50 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:48 pm My one-off power is a lynch switch.

I fully intend on using that today. I am going to decide who gets lynched if I don't see a lynch poll that I like. Colin is probably going to die. dunya maybe. I am here to burn out like a firework on the fourth of July. And I am drunk. And I will be drunk tomorrow. And I do you know what drunks with fireworks do? It isn't pretty.
Well, when I come up as town it's not gonna look too great for you and I hope my team reacts accordingly.

I don't care how I look however you come up.

You have a limited time to talk about how you're going to win.

If you don't convince me, you die. Got it?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:50 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:48 pm My one-off power is a lynch switch.

I fully intend on using that today. I am going to decide who gets lynched if I don't see a lynch poll that I like. Colin is probably going to die. dunya maybe. I am here to burn out like a firework on the fourth of July. And I am drunk. And I will be drunk tomorrow. And I do you know what drunks with fireworks do? It isn't pretty.
If you lynch switch to dunya I will use my lynch switch to switch to you

Deal.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:57 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:53 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:13 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:54 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:49 pm Y'all, this condescending stuff is not gonna fly, I don't need to be in this game.

I don't see what I'm not communicating here. It is really, really strange for a townie, no matter the phase, to come into the thread and advertise themselves alone as a threat to the mafia. If you really think you have an ace in the hole or a way to get a leg up, you want to disguise it innocuously. You don't want to say stuff like "if the Mafia knew what I was doing, they'd try to stop me." Well, now they know they have a good reason to try to stop you either way, so it's USELESS.
I don't intend to be condescending, so please don't take offense. I simply don't believe the argument you're putting forth here.

1.) Epignosis has a zero percent chance of being night killed on Day 1, so that we're talking about this at all is already goofy.

2.) Where is this brazen advertisement of being an imminent threat? Epignosis said he isn't going to tell you what he intends with his exercise because it would render the exercise pointless. Maybe it even is pointless. You haven't given it a chance though. Before it has ever developed, barely halfway into the day phase, you have discarded it as nothing. Why not give Epignosis time to do whatever he's doing before you make that decision? Maybe it's an hour to EOD and he still hasn't done shit. Then you can make this case more validly. It isn't that hard to fathom why this exercise might have value. First and foremost, what is the core source of this current dialogue? It's right in front of your face.

3.) The entire premise that a civilian inherently must play timidly to avoid night kills flies in the face of common sense. If you're an alignment cop, sure, be careful. Otherwise who gives a damn? The objective of this game is not to survive. It is to lynch mafia.
1) I don't understand why you think I'm worried about that. I know that doesn't happen. But what might happen if I came into this thread and said, "hey, I have a great idea to take down the mafia, but the mafia can't know about it." I'd probably be a target for the following night phase. Why not lay a little lower?
When the plan requires the participation of everyone else, how do you accomplish that while being quiet about it?
I feel like I've made this point three or four times. I think dunya made it too. You say something, literally anything other than "I've got a damn good reason for nobody to know" for reasons that I explain ... in the part of my post you are quoting.

At this point, you are going to be lynched. I don't give a shit what you think about my plan.

Name four suspects if you can't name four hypothetical teammates.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:03 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:44 pm My decision is I might be lynching YOU. Your 300+ posts be damned.
Why?
You've auto-cleared her. She is the subject of tinfoil no matter what. I think that's bullshit.
so your reason for wanting to lynch me is because Jay defends me.

I know you're jelly of our special relationship Epi, but I can share Jay with you too.

You are overusing the keys smiley. That strikes me as a bad tell for you.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:11 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:09 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:06 pm Man, I am not playing that game. You haven't come up with one good reason for why I should be lynched, just a blatant misreading of what I said. I don't owe you shit and if you kill me all you'll do is demonstrate exactly how unhelpful you are to the town.
I'm not blatantly misreading what you said, I just don't think it makes much sense.
This is to Epignosis. Last time I checked you weren't threatening to kill me?

Welcome to Day 1. I'm your guide, Epignosis.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:10 pm VOTE NUTELLA

Pick somebody else or I switch to you. Now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:16 pm Epignosis, do you have any reason to read nutella as a civilian?

No.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:17 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:15 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:10 pm VOTE NUTELLA
Pick somebody else or I switch to you. Now.
nah fam, i'm gud

Okay.

Bye Feliciayia.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:19 pm Well that would be about the dumbest shit.

Why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:23 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:22 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:19 pm Well that would be about the dumbest shit.
Why?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:48 pm My one-off power is a lynch switch.

I fully intend on using that today. I am going to decide who gets lynched if I don't see a lynch poll that I like. Colin is probably going to die. dunya maybe. I am here to burn out like a firework on the fourth of July. And I am drunk. And I will be drunk tomorrow. And I do you know what drunks with fireworks do? It isn't pretty.

That's it? I'm not really drunk.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:26 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:24 pm That's it? I'm not really drunk.
Okay. You do whatever you do and we'll see.

I want to know this: If dunya is bad, how is anyone to know?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:29 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:26 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:24 pm That's it? I'm not really drunk.
Okay. You do whatever you do and we'll see.
you got your validation from Jay. Don't be a chicken shit now, Epignosis, lynch me.

I'll lynch you when it suits me.

People think I'm playing. You all are acting like your votes matter.

I am picking. Right now either Colin or dunya is dying. I'm open to somebody else.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:38 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:36 pm People think I'm playing. You all are acting like your votes matter.

I am picking. Right now either Colin or dunya is dying. I'm open to somebody else.
What is your suspicion of dunya?

I don't believe her.

She posts a lot, and you give her credit for that even though you acknowledged in a post that this setup makes it easy for people to post a lot.

I think her nutella vote is an easy one.

I suspect her.

My decision is not final. But I will be deciding this lynch. Like it or not.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:39 pm I'm sorry why are people assuming that epis data collection has anything to do with his backstory or his role at all? anyone could ask any of the questions he's asked and use the data to extrapolate something without a game power being involved. it's not like the troubador is known for being the only unit class in fire emblem that has S-class proficiency in excel spreadsheets, (that would probably be merchant or tactician)

Did anybody assume that?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:43 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:41 pm I don't believe her.

She posts a lot, and you give her credit for that even though you acknowledged in a post that this setup makes it easy for people to post a lot.

I think her nutella vote is an easy one.

I suspect her.

My decision is not final. But I will be deciding this lynch. Like it or not.
I acknowledged that the draft process encourages more fluff content. The draft ended a long time ago. Are dunya's 400 posts heavy in fluff?

Not at all. I believe dunya's posts are heavy with content.

I think you are blind to her abilities.

Can dunya make 400 posts as mafia?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:47 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:44 pm Can dunya make 400 posts as mafia?
Is the game 3-4 cycles along? Yes.

Is the game still in Day 1? I have my doubts.

Moreover, I don't care what she "can" do. I care what she "did" do. Disagree with the notion that mafia members don't detonate threads like dunya has if you feel like it. That means fuck all about her alignment in this game.

Say what you will. I have to determine if you two are BOTH bad. I find it unsettling that you just accept her volume as automatic evidence of her goodness. That's bullshit, especially if you are her teammate.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:47 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:44 pm Can dunya make 400 posts as mafia?
Is the game 3-4 cycles along? Yes.

Is the game still in Day 1? I have my doubts.

Moreover, I don't care what she "can" do. I care what she "did" do. Disagree with the notion that mafia members don't detonate threads like dunya has if you feel like it. That means fuck all about her alignment in this game.
Say what you will. I have to determine if you two are BOTH bad. I find it unsettling that you just accept her volume as automatic evidence of her goodness. That's bullshit, especially if you are her teammate.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:51 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:50 pmThat's bullshit[/quote]

You always say that. I haven't been wrong yet.

You cut out my entire concern.

Let's lynch JJJ and dunya.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:57 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:47 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:44 pm Can dunya make 400 posts as mafia?
Is the game 3-4 cycles along? Yes.

Is the game still in Day 1? I have my doubts.

Moreover, I don't care what she "can" do. I care what she "did" do. Disagree with the notion that mafia members don't detonate threads like dunya has if you feel like it. That means fuck all about her alignment in this game.
Say what you will. I have to determine if you two are BOTH bad. I find it unsettling that you just accept her volume as automatic evidence of her goodness. That's bullshit, especially if you are her teammate.
I find it unsettling that you refuse to see a case against nutella and instead choose to tinfoil me and Jay now because of post count. That's really reaching, especially coming from you. blech.

You are not a tinfoil suspect.

You and Jay are not automatically tinfoil because you post a lot or talk alot or whatever.

You are legitimate suspects, and you are not above nutella or me or anybody else.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:59 pm It's pretty simple. If Epignosis actually follows through with any of this crap, lynch him immediately because there's no way he believes in it. If he doesn't, assess vigilantly and carry on, etc.

The last time you said this you were bad.

What's my motivation in doing all this Jay?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:03 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:58 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:57 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:47 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:44 pm Can dunya make 400 posts as mafia?
Is the game 3-4 cycles along? Yes.

Is the game still in Day 1? I have my doubts.

Moreover, I don't care what she "can" do. I care what she "did" do. Disagree with the notion that mafia members don't detonate threads like dunya has if you feel like it. That means fuck all about her alignment in this game.
Say what you will. I have to determine if you two are BOTH bad. I find it unsettling that you just accept her volume as automatic evidence of her goodness. That's bullshit, especially if you are her teammate.
I find it unsettling that you refuse to see a case against nutella and instead choose to tinfoil me and Jay now because of post count. That's really reaching, especially coming from you. blech.
You are not a tinfoil suspect.

You and Jay are not automatically tinfoil because you post a lot or talk alot or whatever.

You are legitimate suspects, and you are not above nutella or me or anybody else.
because of post count...

you know what Epi, you'd actually be doing me a favor. this is my last game before a short retirement phase so if an Epi misdirect mislynch is happening, let it be Day 1 so I don't invest more into this game. kthx.

let it be remembered Epignosis deflected attention from a nutella lynch and went after me also despite his long ass boring case against Colin which took up 3/4 of his day, because of post count... Relevant in future. Remember that.

What's your opinion on JJJ? I don't care about your "Let it be Remembered" shit. I'm a civilian and will judge you as such.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:07 am You don't care about my opinions, I don't care about your questions. see how that works?

That's not true. I know how you operate. You are mad that I'm questioning you at all.

Deal with it.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:11 am epi you've said a few times you don't have an opinion on nutella. can you do me a favor and generate one? please

I don't have an opinion on nutella. I'm not going to generate one.

I'll talk about the survey tomorrow before the lynch.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:20 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:16 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:11 am epi you've said a few times you don't have an opinion on nutella. can you do me a favor and generate one? please
I don't have an opinion on nutella. I'm not going to generate one.
I know. You've said that.

I'm asking you to generate an opinion because you're commandeering the thread in a really weird way, so please take a break from doing that and give a read on nutella instead.

Are you stone?

I don't have an opinion on nutella.

You asking me isn't going to change that.

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