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- Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:00 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [LOCKED Night 0]
The last I saw of Quin, he was getting his ass beat in Age of Empires II.
- Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:14 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [Night 0]
Seriously, Quin was atrocious. I don't even remember what civilization he played.
Fucking archaeologists don't remember what civilization he played, because there was nothing left.
Fucking archaeologists don't remember what civilization he played, because there was nothing left.
- Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:18 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [Night 0]
That's not true.
Actually, they found a dear diary entry drenched in tears praying for the deluge of Byzantine Cataphracts and trebuchets to end mercifully.
Actually, they found a dear diary entry drenched in tears praying for the deluge of Byzantine Cataphracts and trebuchets to end mercifully.
- Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:22 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [Night 0]
Agreed. In 2002 I wrote my first novel in which I predicted teachers would no longer be called "teachers" but "facilitators" by education "leaders." That came true.
Fuck that. I'm a teacher. I'll facilitate your whiny ass home if you don't learn. And you will learn.
Moderate us Quin. Moderate us. From wherever you are.
- Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:51 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [Night 0]
I suspect MP for his gregarious posting.
I suspect LC for his comment above. Does anyone understand the Quin-searching thing? If he doesn't understand it, why is he voting for the trendy choice?
I suspect Quin will get destroyed next time too.
I suspect LC for his comment above. Does anyone understand the Quin-searching thing? If he doesn't understand it, why is he voting for the trendy choice?
I suspect Quin will get destroyed next time too.
- Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:10 pm
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- Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:13 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [Night 0]
Falling for what?
You said I'm trying too hard, and that I'm usually bad when I do that.
I think that's silly.
When I am a civilian, what do I look like?
- Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:46 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [Night 0]
When I am a civilian, what do I look like?
- Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:57 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [Night 0]
"Epi's trying too hard. Usually he's bad when he does that. "
The issue I take with this is that this is untrue, especially lately. When I have been bad lately, I have been lazy as hell.
I want LC to substantiate his claims against me, since he thinks he knows me so well.
The issue I take with this is that this is untrue, especially lately. When I have been bad lately, I have been lazy as hell.
I want LC to substantiate his claims against me, since he thinks he knows me so well.
- Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:04 am
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- Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:07 am
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Re: The Search for Quin [Night 0]
As of now, you are getting my Day 1 vote, Long Con. Saying I am "usually" trying too hard when I'm bad show you don't know what I am like when I'm bad at all. You are making things up. Like you usually do when YOU are bad.
- Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:20 am
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Re: The Search for Quin [Night 0]
I want to hear opinions on me and Long Con. Go.
- Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:40 am
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Re: The Search for Quin [Night 0]
You mean to say I'm...nervous?Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:33 amI know, right? I mean, I was just joking around... but Epi's reaction! I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he totally freaked out. He demanded four times that I substantiate my claims, then he throws out a weak-ass OMGUS, and then demands opinions from everyone on it.
Not to mention he completely ignored Wilgy, who also made a very similar joke. I guess he understood that Wilgy's post was a joke, but not mine. This is unexpectedly juicy Night 0 stuff!
- Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:28 am
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Re: The Search for Quin [Night 0]
My impression was that he was just saying stuff to say stuff.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:13 amLet's go back to this post. Some people accepted it, all of us seem to have followed it in our votes, but I'm not as familiar with the origins of information like this being distributed. I don't think bwt lied maliciously and I see no real grounds for suspicion here, but how much stock, if any, should we put in a claim like his? Especially in a Heist.birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:08 pm I'm voting for Queensland because I have info that it will help the civ cause.
Let's see where that one leads us.
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:13 pmYes. I figured I might as well say something since most Day 0 conversations aren't super meaningful and we can have something to go off of early on.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:12 pmSo you're claiming Queensland is beneficial to the town cause but you're not sure how, do I have that right?birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:10 pmNot sure. I suppose we will find out once Day 0 ends.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:07 pm That said, does anyone have any idea what this search function will accomplish? It definitely is intriguing but I'm not sure how it would affect the game or how we are supposed to contemplate making the decision.
- Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:22 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [Night 0]
I think I always do. Your friendliness always strikes me as false.
- Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:01 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [Day 1]
"Stop and ask for directions, bwt."
"Don't need 'em. I have the GPS."
"Don't need 'em. I have the GPS."
- Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:01 am
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Re: The Search for Quin [Day 1]
The past three or four times you have been bad, you've done this very thing: Manufacturing a narrative for my actions or reactions that isn't true.
I made the mistake of waving that off once or twice, citing recency bias to myself. Surely LC wouldn't keep doing the same things over and over when he is bad.
Now it's a pattern. This is just what you do when you are bad.
You first:Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:33 amI know, right? I mean, I was just joking around... but Epi's reaction! I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say he totally freaked out. He demanded four times that I substantiate my claims, then he throws out a weak-ass OMGUS, and then demands opinions from everyone on it.
Not to mention he completely ignored Wilgy, who also made a very similar joke. I guess he understood that Wilgy's post was a joke, but not mine. This is unexpectedly juicy Night 0 stuff!
Then me:
Then you:
So explain what exactly is a "weak-ass OMGUS" here.
I remain amazed that my naming MP and you as my initial suspects on Day 0 followed by a Quin joke constitutes "trying too hard."
I mean, for this to be a genuine opinion of yours, the level of effort I must put forth when I am a civilian has to be somewhere just north of the players who never even open their role PMs.
- Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:56 am
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Re: The Search for Quin [Day 1]
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:46 amYes, that makes sense, and supports the fact that I was just joking around.Epignosis wrote:I remain amazed that my naming MP and you as my initial suspects on Day 0 followed by a Quin joke constitutes "trying too hard."
I mean, for this to be a genuine opinion of yours, the level of effort I must put forth when I am a civilian has to be somewhere just north of the players who never even open their role PMs.
You weren't joking.
- Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:35 am
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Re: The Search for Quin [Day 1]
Let me try again.
LC, you said, "Sorry, not falling for that."
I asked "Falling for what?"
You didn't answer.
You answered Sloonei, and your answer implied that your accusation of me (that I try too hard when I'm bad) was not a joke.
To put it another way, you made a claim that you say was a joke (namely that I try too hard when I'm bad). When I responded in a way that indicated that I was not privy to the joke, that would mean I was the one falling for something. How could you "fall" for something if you were the only one in on the fact that you were joking?
None of that makes sense.
Do you know what I think does make sense?
You were either drinking or tired or both.
When I asked "Falling for what?" you had a chance to explain you were joking and that I was getting my panties in a knot over nothing. I don't think you were joking. I think that was a narrative you invented later when your mind had perhaps regained clarity.
That evening, you only said to me, "You're allowed to think it's silly. I won't try to stop you" which to me is not indicative that you were joking. Quite the opposite, rather. It's ambiguous at best. That was at 11:43pm EST.
I think you were not of a mind to come up with the response you gave Sloonei some twelve hours later.
Even at first, you dodged the meat of the question:
Three minutes later, Sloonei rephrased:
I wonder what barred you from this clear answer about twelve hours before when I asked you what you would be falling for.
LC, you said, "Sorry, not falling for that."
I asked "Falling for what?"
You didn't answer.
You answered Sloonei, and your answer implied that your accusation of me (that I try too hard when I'm bad) was not a joke.
How could you "fall" for "some sort of labour-intensive Epi-history-search to prove" how I act when I'm good or bad if the entire premise was a joke that only you were mindful of?
To put it another way, you made a claim that you say was a joke (namely that I try too hard when I'm bad). When I responded in a way that indicated that I was not privy to the joke, that would mean I was the one falling for something. How could you "fall" for something if you were the only one in on the fact that you were joking?
None of that makes sense.
Do you know what I think does make sense?
You were either drinking or tired or both.
When I asked "Falling for what?" you had a chance to explain you were joking and that I was getting my panties in a knot over nothing. I don't think you were joking. I think that was a narrative you invented later when your mind had perhaps regained clarity.
That evening, you only said to me, "You're allowed to think it's silly. I won't try to stop you" which to me is not indicative that you were joking. Quite the opposite, rather. It's ambiguous at best. That was at 11:43pm EST.
I think you were not of a mind to come up with the response you gave Sloonei some twelve hours later.
Even at first, you dodged the meat of the question:
That was at 10:39am EST.
Three minutes later, Sloonei rephrased:
Exactly thirty minutes later, you gave a direct answer:
It is a response that sounds all right, but doesn't make sense if your own original thought process was that your accusation of me was not meant to be taken seriously.
I wonder what barred you from this clear answer about twelve hours before when I asked you what you would be falling for.
- Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:39 am
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Re: The Search for Quin [Day 1]
My intention was to use today pretending you were off the poll in order to consider other avenues of thought, but since you continue insisting that I am making this all up, I have no problem "falling for it" (i.e., taking a labor-intensive search through your posts to demonstrate that what I am saying is true).Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:00 am How is it manipulative? Is there something untrue in it? I'm looking at it right now and it's a direct accounting of what happened.
And yet you have no problem with this entirely made-up post:
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:01 amThe past three or four times you have been bad, you've done this very thing: Manufacturing a narrative for my actions or reactions that isn't true.
I made the mistake of waving that off once or twice, citing recency bias to myself. Surely LC wouldn't keep doing the same things over and over when he is bad.
Now it's a pattern. This is just what you do when you are bad.
- Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:04 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [Day 1]
I'll try to keep this brief.
Long Con's evil M.O. when he is bad is to cavalierly control the narrative to the point of outright making things up and sticking to them even when proof is presented to the contrary. He would make an admirable politician.
That's why I don't buy for a second his insistence that what he has been trying to sell as a joke was a joke.
Spoiler: show
Spoiler: show
Spoiler: show
That's why I don't buy for a second his insistence that what he has been trying to sell as a joke was a joke.
- Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:09 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [Day 1]
The poll ends tomorrow evening, so I am going to lay off Long Con between now and then to give him some breathing room. It isn't good to bury Day 1. Were I to vote now, that is where I would vote.
I have another opinion on someone else, which I'll get to this evening.
I have another opinion on someone else, which I'll get to this evening.
- Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:16 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [Day 1]
This is what I was going to say earlier, but did not have time, and I'm glad I didn't since people are talking about him.
I like birdwithteeth's early move. I don't believe 3J gave him information about the poll, and I think he lied about it.
But I think he did it just to do it and, just as he said was intention, get something going.
If bwt is bad and did this, knowing he would be exposed very quickly, that's a short-term gain, long-term loss, as they say, and I'm not even sure that it's a short-term gain at all, because unless he set this up so that his teammates could gain some early credibility, I don't see any positive outcome for him at all.
What I do see is a someone throwing something out there to see who will follow him, who will question him, and who will ignore him.
Nothing wrong with that.
I like birdwithteeth's early move. I don't believe 3J gave him information about the poll, and I think he lied about it.
But I think he did it just to do it and, just as he said was intention, get something going.
If bwt is bad and did this, knowing he would be exposed very quickly, that's a short-term gain, long-term loss, as they say, and I'm not even sure that it's a short-term gain at all, because unless he set this up so that his teammates could gain some early credibility, I don't see any positive outcome for him at all.
What I do see is a someone throwing something out there to see who will follow him, who will question him, and who will ignore him.
Nothing wrong with that.
- Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:56 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [Day 1]
So what made you vote for him?Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:35 pm I think I see BWT's false info gambit exactly as MP and Epi have expressed it as well. The only way it makes sense as a scum ploy is if he's serving us a healthy heap of WIFOM right off the bat. I don't know him well enough to say with any confidence how likely he is to do that, but my gut tells me it's unlikely.
- Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:09 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [Day 1]
Wearing body marks into that couch already, are you?MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:05 pm Moving my vote to @nutella
I await Daisy's fully formed opinions, but that actually makes me feel good enough about her for now.
- Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:23 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [Day 1]
I hope I make sense with what I'm getting ready to say.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:08 pmIndecision and the speculation that players could be opportunistically piling pressure onto Long Con.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:56 pmSo what made you vote for him?Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:35 pm I think I see BWT's false info gambit exactly as MP and Epi have expressed it as well. The only way it makes sense as a scum ploy is if he's serving us a healthy heap of WIFOM right off the bat. I don't know him well enough to say with any confidence how likely he is to do that, but my gut tells me it's unlikely.
bird threw something out there that was, from my perspective, an inconsequential lie (for us) that could have probably gotten him lynched (given his track record).
You threw this out there:
To me, that's a bit more obvious bait than someone claiming Day 0 information to get people moving on a Day 0 poll.
It's so obvious, you only got (?) one person to vote, and that was...bird. If in fact you got him to vote because of what you said (I don't think you got anybody to vote LC because of your pile on post).
You counted DDL as a bite, but that doesn't make sense to me either.
I wouldn't regard either of these are piling suspicion on Long Con. You do though. And you voted birdwithteeth11, and then moved your vote to DDL.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:48 pm Contrary to my previous stance of "Pile all votes on Long Con", I am wary of people who have piled suspicion on Long Con, even though I count myself among them. Regardless of how I feel about the Day 1 case around him, I can't ignore that there is easy potential for this bandwagon to be driven by opportunistic scums right off the bat.
That means posts like these catch my eye:If I were someone else I'd be wary of me too.Spoiler: show
As an aside, my Q and w keys are not working, so any time I need to call in either of those letters I've been copy & pasting from elsewhere on the page. I just want to document my struggle and ask if anyone knows a better solution than my Ctrl + v strategy.
This all strikes me a charade- a dance, if you will- intended to protect Long Con while giving yourself an avenue of looking open-minded in case he got lynched after all.
"Look at all the opportunistic mafia! All two of them!"
- Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:30 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [Day 1]
Shit dude, I can't think of a single time in my life where I have ever tried to get my wife to say things. You must be new at this marriage gig.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:20 pmI literally said "because I want her to say things". I thought that made it evident enough that it was a vote designed to get you to say things. And it does make me nervous when you're not posting; that's a general fact regardless of the circumstances that may have been keeping you from posting in this game. You and I both know I always try to sort you as quickly as possible for that reason.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:16 pmHere's the thing. When you are pressure voting someone you are upfront about it. No you didn't use the word shady. You said it makes you nervous when I'm not posting. You didn't say this is a pressure vote. You implied that me not posting is somehow scary. When you know that my not posting has zero to do with my alignment.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:03 pmWoah, hold your horse there. I know you've been really busy and am aware of your preoccupations as well as your work schedule. It's merely a pressure vote. I didn't say you were shady; I just want you to say things and expressed that I get paranoid of you when you aren't talking.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:01 pmIf this came from anyone else I could excuse it, but this guy right here knows that I have barely been on the site in the last few days. He knows that I am juggling multiple writing projects in addition to two games. He knows I've been exhausted and slept a lot more than normal. So tell me why this guy says me being quiet is shady. No, I'm not buying this.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:50 pm I'm voting for @Spacedaisy because I want her to say things and she makes me nervous when she isn't posting.
*votes MP*
I'm not sure what to make of this reaction, but I tentatively feel OK about it.
- Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:14 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [Day 1]
I placed my vote on Long Con. That is where I currently feel most confident.
I think birdie is a goodie.
I suspect Sloonei.
I suspect speedchuck. Details on this development to follow.
I think birdie is a goodie.
I suspect Sloonei.
I suspect speedchuck. Details on this development to follow.
- Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:17 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [Day 1]
Walk me through either motive that you can see.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:58 pm
The meta BWT stuff has only moved him up to a null read for me. I'm not buying that he is town just because of the N0 info lie thing. That won't cut it for me. I can see either motive for it.
- Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:50 am
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Re: The Search for Quin [Day 1]
I have never been concerned with a bandwagon here. My post you linked to only concerns myself- I did not want to exhaust my energy on one person today.Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 3:04 amThis whole post strikes me as a poor reading of my own posts. I think it's pretty clear that my position on Long Con has not wavered. He has been my preferred lynch candidate for the entire day to this point. However, I was wary of the ease with which a bandwagon was forming against him, and the one-sided direction of the conversation in the thread, a point which I have brought up several times today. Epi himself has expressed the same sentiment, and yet he holds it against me for doing exactly what he himself is doing.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:23 pmI hope I make sense with what I'm getting ready to say.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:08 pmIndecision and the speculation that players could be opportunistically piling pressure onto Long Con.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:56 pmSo what made you vote for him?Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:35 pm I think I see BWT's false info gambit exactly as MP and Epi have expressed it as well. The only way it makes sense as a scum ploy is if he's serving us a healthy heap of WIFOM right off the bat. I don't know him well enough to say with any confidence how likely he is to do that, but my gut tells me it's unlikely.
bird threw something out there that was, from my perspective, an inconsequential lie (for us) that could have probably gotten him lynched (given his track record).
You threw this out there:
To me, that's a bit more obvious bait than someone claiming Day 0 information to get people moving on a Day 0 poll.
It's so obvious, you only got (?) one person to vote, and that was...bird. If in fact you got him to vote because of what you said (I don't think you got anybody to vote LC because of your pile on post).
You counted DDL as a bite, but that doesn't make sense to me either.
I wouldn't regard either of these are piling suspicion on Long Con. You do though. And you voted birdwithteeth11, and then moved your vote to DDL.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:48 pm Contrary to my previous stance of "Pile all votes on Long Con", I am wary of people who have piled suspicion on Long Con, even though I count myself among them. Regardless of how I feel about the Day 1 case around him, I can't ignore that there is easy potential for this bandwagon to be driven by opportunistic scums right off the bat.
That means posts like these catch my eye:If I were someone else I'd be wary of me too.Spoiler: show
As an aside, my Q and w keys are not working, so any time I need to call in either of those letters I've been copy & pasting from elsewhere on the page. I just want to document my struggle and ask if anyone knows a better solution than my Ctrl + v strategy.
This all strikes me a charade- a dance, if you will- intended to protect Long Con while giving yourself an avenue of looking open-minded in case he got lynched after all.
"Look at all the opportunistic mafia! All two of them!"
Furthermore, he interprets this post of mine in a much harsher light than I think anyone should. I obviously have a self-favoring bias here, but I think my first paragraph emphasizes the point that I'm not accusing either bwt or ddl of nefariously piling on suspicion, rather merely acknowledging the possibility of such a strategy being used at this stage in the game:There's also a clear indication that my "pile votes on LC" comment was to be taken as a true stance of mine, and not a trap being set for others, as Epi so liberally discerned. I then highlighted two posts which might represent this hypothetical strategy I had become wary of and Epi presented a case against me based off of this as though I had come down hard on both bwt and ddl in an attempt to save Long Con, the player whose lynch I was advocating for at the time.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:48 pm Contrary to my previous stance of "Pile all votes on Long Con", I am wary of people who have piled suspicion on Long Con, even though I count myself among them. Regardless of how I feel about the Day 1 case around him, I can't ignore that there is easy potential for this bandwagon to be driven by opportunistic scums right off the bat.
I do not think this is an honest case from Epi, but that might just mean he's pushing my buttons to see how I'll react. However, this has given me just enough pause to make me reconsider my stance on Epi and, by extension, LC as well. I'll see where my head is at in the morning, but I wanted to get this out before going to sleep.
And I'm not going to stop issuing my interpretations of what people say just because they might reconsider their stance about me.
- Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:02 am
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Re: The Search for Quin [Day 1]
If people would have listened to you, they would have wasted a lynch. You weren't right to go after me. Nobody was, because nobody needed me dead to win.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:32 am I don't know why I am even bothering to do this. I'm sure it's a serious personality flaw that I have that I'm compelled to do this.
No.
Here's what happened, not what Epi's specially selected words choose to tell you. Epi was a complicated Indy who could go either way, and he had a fakeclaim from the host to use. He tells the thread his fakeclaim on Day 2, which I find weird. It made me suspect he was bad, and using a fakeclaim. He wants to spin it like I was some "evil independent" but what do you think my strategy was? Frame someone? I didn't have a team to work with, or for, what I needed was some level of credibility. I was trying to find baddies in as genuine a way as if I were a Civilian.
If you see similarities between that game and this one, then that makes sense enough to me, because my goal was to find baddies in both. In Mass Effect, I was right to go after Epignosis because he, as predicted, joined the baddies. Listen to me again for the first time, here in this game, maybe I'm right again.
I don't know how else to spell that out for you.
I don't agree.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:32 amThat was an awesome meta case, thanks for linking it. It has no similarities to this game though. It seems you just brought it up because it's an instance where I made a case against you... that doesn't really make the cut for doing anything to prove your point here.Spoiler: show
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:32 amFALSE. This is a bogus entry, because I wasn't in any way making a case on Jack. I was laughing at how his post read to me. Try this link to see THE ENTIRETY of the exchange. As in, I wasn't pursuing it as any form of case at all. Epi's attempt to make you believe otherwise is deception.Spoiler: show
You...you mean you said something that could be construed as a serious suspicion and later indicated it wasn't serious?Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:23 pm"Mind Meld" I guess - I thought it looked like nervous laughter.Boomslang wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:24 pmWhy that many "ol" additions the first time? Possible tell that you were thinking too hard about that post, and baddies must generate content whole-cloth. Could be an indication of teamwork, again playing off meta.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:09 pm Most inclined to vote Sprityo for self preservation lolololol or Epi for picking on someone he may view as weak.
I need more content, I think. I haven't fully gotten into this yet. Just caught up.
- Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:57 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [Day 1]
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:37 amNo one wants to read Mass Effect arguments:Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:02 amIf people would have listened to you, they would have wasted a lynch. You weren't right to go after me. Nobody was, because nobody needed me dead to win.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:32 am I don't know why I am even bothering to do this. I'm sure it's a serious personality flaw that I have that I'm compelled to do this.
No.
Here's what happened, not what Epi's specially selected words choose to tell you. Epi was a complicated Indy who could go either way, and he had a fakeclaim from the host to use. He tells the thread his fakeclaim on Day 2, which I find weird. It made me suspect he was bad, and using a fakeclaim. He wants to spin it like I was some "evil independent" but what do you think my strategy was? Frame someone? I didn't have a team to work with, or for, what I needed was some level of credibility. I was trying to find baddies in as genuine a way as if I were a Civilian.
If you see similarities between that game and this one, then that makes sense enough to me, because my goal was to find baddies in both. In Mass Effect, I was right to go after Epignosis because he, as predicted, joined the baddies. Listen to me again for the first time, here in this game, maybe I'm right again.
I don't know how else to spell that out for you.
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I would not be pleased if you got lynched and are a civilian.
If you don't believe I think you are bad, then I don't know what to tell you. I am taking what I have seen of you in previous games and what I am seeing now, and when I analyze it, I draw the conclusion that you are not a civilian. That's how this works.
- Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:58 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [Day 1]
I'm not understanding this. Can you rephrase?speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:02 am
Scum likes people to talk, make cases, and get to the lynchy bits. So long as scum it's getting lynched. I see nothing alignment indicative here. Along with the meta-read of BWT just ruining my case on him, I've placed him at null.
- Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:29 pm
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The one thing I would note is that Dom hasn't really said anything either, so why poke Spacedaisy and then a newcomer?
The timing of MP's "pressure vote" and Spacedaisy's reaction looks somewhat suspicious to me. Eleven minutes after MP posts, Spacedaisy reacts to it and puts a vote on MP.
There is roughly an eleven hour difference between the two posts. By my count, there were 52 posts between Spacedaisy's first and second posts, several of them quite meaty.
Here is my concern: Of all those 52 posts in just 11 minutes, how did Spacedaisy react to MP's harmless vote so quickly? It almost looks like she knew to respond to it- a fabricated, planned interaction between the two.
The timing of MP's "pressure vote" and Spacedaisy's reaction looks somewhat suspicious to me. Eleven minutes after MP posts, Spacedaisy reacts to it and puts a vote on MP.
Note that this is only her second post of the game. Her first was:Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:01 pmIf this came from anyone else I could excuse it, but this guy right here knows that I have barely been on the site in the last few days. He knows that I am juggling multiple writing projects in addition to two games. He knows I've been exhausted and slept a lot more than normal. So tell me why this guy says me being quiet is shady. No, I'm not buying this.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:50 pm I'm voting for @Spacedaisy because I want her to say things and she makes me nervous when she isn't posting.
*votes MP*
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:57 am I'm here. I swear I am. Ok, maybe I just showed up. Maybe I haven't read anything yet. Maybe...
I am going to get a shower and then catch up.
There is roughly an eleven hour difference between the two posts. By my count, there were 52 posts between Spacedaisy's first and second posts, several of them quite meaty.
Here is my concern: Of all those 52 posts in just 11 minutes, how did Spacedaisy react to MP's harmless vote so quickly? It almost looks like she knew to respond to it- a fabricated, planned interaction between the two.
- Fri Sep 08, 2017 3:09 pm
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Yeah, that makes sense.
- Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:54 pm
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I accused you of acting like you were suspicious of Long Con while leaving yourself an out in order to avoid voting for him. You said:Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:21 pm I am leaving my vote on Epi. Long Con and I both made the same observation about him in our respective defenses against his casing, and I observed him treating Spacedaisy in the same way earlier today (accusing her and MP of coordinating reactions, when it's evident she was simply responding to a notification). All of this looks like an Epi who is deliberately misconstruing facts in order to paint multiple players in a negative light. The possibility that he's doing this intentionally as a scum hunting tactic, to bait and draw reactions out of players, has been in my mind all day, but when it seems all of his game-related energy is committed to this tactic (from my perspective), I become less confident in his motivation.
I hope that you all carry on with the discussion about all of the names available to you as we wind down to the deadline. This is where my vote stands now, and I won't be able to offer anything else until night.
Now you are voting for me when Long Con has two votes. I am sure I will receive a vote from Long Con, which will tie me up with him.I think it's pretty clear that my position on Long Con has not wavered.
I don't think you were ever genuinely suspicious of Long Con, and the fact that you are using what I have said to reevaluate your stance on Long Con (instead of what LC himself has said) reinforces that thought:
I do not think this is an honest case from Epi, but that might just mean he's pushing my buttons to see how I'll react. However, this has given me just enough pause to make me reconsider my stance on Epi and, by extension, LC as well. I'll see where my head is at in the morning, but I wanted to get this out before going to sleep.
- Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:55 pm
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- Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:59 pm
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Re: The Search for Quin [Day 1]
Suspect? I have no reason to think you are a civilian, I'll just say that.speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:35 pm I'm curious: Where do you come from, @NewTraditionalist ?
Epi, do you still suspect me? Ever gonna follow through and elaborate why?
I feel like the day is going in circles, and I don't like that. Votes are spread, and I don't like that. I don't have anything with me to eat, and I don't like that.
Worst of all, though, I don't really have any town reads. This never happens. I usually just bandwagon on with a townie for the wins. Uhhhh.... Leaning toward voting Epi or LC, for info and thread-clearing clarify and decent odds that one of them are scum.
I do think it's naive at best and suspicious at worst for you to claim that you will clear me or LC by lynching one of us. It's naive because it assumes LC and I are not capable of manufacturing this back and forth if we are both bad. It's suspicious because it sets you up with an easy vote tomorrow if we are both civilians.
- Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:31 pm
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If only people will come to the light and tell him how wrong he is about Mass Effect, we would all have a merry Christmas.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:28 pm Ooookay. I have read everything.
1. Long Con vs. Epi... reading this same basic argument every freaking game you guys play together can be summed up as follows:
- Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:34 pm
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MP, has Spacedaisy ever lynched you incorrectly when you were both civilians?
- Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:42 pm
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I would never take it that way. I only wondered if it's ever happened before. Eloh has never lynched me incorrectly (or at all, I don't think).Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:40 pm Epi, I don't know if I have been or not. But it is certainly always possible I'm wrong about him. my suspicion of him should by no means be taken as foolproof evidence.
- Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:14 pm
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Was there a game on here in which you and Spacedaisy were teammates?MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:44 pm Daisy is wrong about me and Wilgy is right? What the hell? What universe is this?
- Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:14 pm
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- Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:16 pm
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My problem with this is that speedchuck is quite careful and a devious kind.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:50 pmIt is unclear how speedchuck is changing his reads. He says he has no town reads, but earlier in the game he had clearly stated town reads in Epi, Sloonei, and (perhaps) sanmateo. What alarms me further is that speedchuck is saying he doesn't like how all over the place the thread is (but he's worse than almost anyone else in that regard, at least from what I saw) AND he says he wants to vote for either LC or Epi "for information" when he clearly was defending Epi as a town read earlier. I found no substantiated reason for his change of mind.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:17 pm I just looked back and I think I don't understand what he was saying.
I therefore believe that he is likely fabricating his reads.
Do you think he'd forget he said I was good and then call me bad later?
I don't.
- Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:21 pm
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- Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:22 pm
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Night Vale. He was brilliant.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:20 pmEpignosis wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:16 pmMy problem with this is that speedchuck is quite careful and a devious kind.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:50 pmIt is unclear how speedchuck is changing his reads. He says he has no town reads, but earlier in the game he had clearly stated town reads in Epi, Sloonei, and (perhaps) sanmateo. What alarms me further is that speedchuck is saying he doesn't like how all over the place the thread is (but he's worse than almost anyone else in that regard, at least from what I saw) AND he says he wants to vote for either LC or Epi "for information" when he clearly was defending Epi as a town read earlier. I found no substantiated reason for his change of mind.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:17 pm I just looked back and I think I don't understand what he was saying.
I therefore believe that he is likely fabricating his reads.
Do you think he'd forget he said I was good and then call me bad later?
I don't.
That's a fair point. I'm not sure he'd "forget", but his opinions just seemed all over the place to me. I guess it's potentially genuine inconsistency as opposed to opportunistic fabrication.
I'm not even sure I've personally seen a mafia-aligned speedchuck.
- Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:34 pm
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If speedchuck is bad, he's playing dumb to his own posts, and based on his performance in Night Vale, I don't see that.
- Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:35 pm
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For those who don't know, speedchuck painstakingly went over games he wasn't even in so he could craft curses that would frame people who were in those games.
He was top-notch mafia.
Forgetting you just called a guy good on Day 1 isn't top-notch mafia.
He was top-notch mafia.
Forgetting you just called a guy good on Day 1 isn't top-notch mafia.
- Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:44 pm
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Yeah, this isn't good. speedchuck getting lynched because he looks inconsistent? That's what mafia do? Look inconsistent on Day 1? Fuck outta here.
- Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:46 pm
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And I defend you all the time on Day 1.birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:46 pmIf you're going to go that far, you could use the same argument for me on most of my D1 lynches. And as I stated in my opinion, there's more to it to me than just being inconsistent.