The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:25 am I am not 100% convinced KZA is mafia.

@MacDougall explain? I really don't like this read tbh

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:33 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:25 am I am not 100% convinced KZA is mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:26 am I meant. Now convinced. He is mafia. Fucking typo.

cute af <3

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:37 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:29 amwhy Alison

There are a few people capable of effortposting as scum to this degree. I don't know Strawhenge's scum range, but I think the base probability of someone's scum range being that large is low enough, and especially if the person in question has just come back from a multi year break and is feeling super overwhelmed by the game thread, that I am willing to effortclear Strawhenge for it. JJJ, who knows Strawhenge, also cleared Strawhenge right after the post, suggesting that he also believes that this is out of Strawhenge's scum range.

The post itself also has good content. Strawhenge makes insightful observations about non-obvious interactions in the game thread, eg. positing that BK could be distancing from KZA/Marmot after I accused them of faking an interaction. Good takes are townie. His final POE is reasonably aligned with my own reads, which gives me further confidence he is town, but not so strongly consensus that it looks like he's trying to blend in - he has a few outlier reads. These reads are well-supported by his analysis and observations. Even if I don't necessarily disagree with them, I think they come from a genuine place and weren't just stuck there to make himself look town.

seems good to me what do you think of me?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:38 am i have a crush on u @KZA

relatable

@Alison my drunk interpretation of your previous posts is that they're towny

I think I've been good at reading you recently

Do you agree?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:57 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:22 am sry if I was rude @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

No worries, wouldn't expect different

:PPPP

I dunno why I'm just always in conflict with you

Except for in the game Tim hosted where I was scum

So I suppose you should read me as obvious town hehe

I'm sorry I can't remember and I can't look back

Ted, do you think KZA is scum? Why?

Alison, c'mon, does a holistic overview of KZA really tell you he is maifa? Why did he get mad that his tone being different - he is scum read, and give a believable excuse he wanted to be scum read, then go back to what is identical to his town game? I don't remember the other obv!town things he did rn, but his tone CLEARLY change in a way he, himself, manipulated, which he HAS NOT, to my knowledge, done in his scum game, leading me to believe it was done in his town game

Alison I don't recall you answering, what's your current Tutuu read, and what did you think of mine?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:11 am KZA's tone change was probably decided on pre-rand.

I don't think KZA is a player which can do this kinda thing. Do you?

I aksed for your tyhoughts on my tutuu read, not me, @Alison

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:13 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:12 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:11 am KZA's tone change was probably decided on pre-rand.

I don't think KZA is a player which can do this kinda thing. Do you?

I definitely think he's capable of doing that. It doesn't seem like a particularly difficult thing to do. "I'm tired of always being POE'd, I wanna start acting more like a serious mafia people so people take me seriously." And then you get scumread for that, and get upset.

I basically open every game with town!kza with a confident town read that I shield him for... from memory

@KZA yes, right?

Idk why he would change that with me here, with that in mind

@tutuu is this how you play as town, smh

You know, you need to make your takes more readable if you wanna have reasonable thread presence

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:24 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:21 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:13 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:12 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:11 am KZA's tone change was probably decided on pre-rand.

I don't think KZA is a player which can do this kinda thing. Do you?

I definitely think he's capable of doing that. It doesn't seem like a particularly difficult thing to do. "I'm tired of always being POE'd, I wanna start acting more like a serious mafia people so people take me seriously." And then you get scumread for that, and get upset.

I basically open every game with town!kza with a confident town read that I shield him for... from memory

@KZA yes, right?

Idk why he would change that with me here, with that in mind

you found me basically instantly in Fallout 2 and I think before the end of D1 in Spiderverse

mhm mhm, and pretty much right away once you changed tone in this game, hm?

Well, I get the frustration you have with being scum read for trying to act more 'towny,' give more cohesive reads in general, I actually just this game realized my meta I want to cultivate this game; someone who's interactions are generally made to generate content more than actually provide in depth reads. I was scum read for it at the start of this game but I kept with it and gave towny thought processes and at this point I feel strongly town read, eh?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:26 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:24 am @tutuu is this how you play as town, smh

You know, you need to make your takes more readable if you wanna have reasonable thread presence

They seem pretty readable to me

Why are people telling me how to play before weve even see who is accurate and who isnt, that seems preemptive

becuase I'm just that good

and besides, I'm just trying to talk to people right now

Do you want to tlak more? wanna know the problem I Have with your posts?

like... my problem is independent of your read accuracy anyways. It's not about that. It's about your thread presence

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:29 amsure

well, I read your posts and I just go... what is she saying? What are her reads? You give them two-five words, but when you actively engage in thread, I see no,,, flow? I don't think there's a problem with the way you go about reading people, I actually like it. I'm thinking about this myself so it's not fully cohesive, but, like, one thing I've been thinking recently is, people just can't follow all this?

When I started playing mafia, I was CONFIDENT in my reads, and I pushed them

No one wants to hear that though

What they want to hear is, idk, everything

but not everything?

You can't write a wall case, but you can't just throw out reasons which *make sense* to you, but aren't completely known to people.

Basically... you need to question people in thread about things you want to know, and push them on it

But when you want a read to have influence: You push it throughout, and give it in a way that can be read by someone who knows next to nothing to mafia

So that people can follow your thought process, cause people don't exactly follow each track, they all have unique stylistic differences

Idk how to explain but

While your thoughts make sense, everything goes about things differently; and while explaining it all would work, people just can't take in that much information

You need to separate yourself when possible into micro interactions which will motivate people to talk about things more

And macro that will cause people to think about your reads more and believe them

etcetcetc

Idk if I'm explaining it the best!!!

But this approach to reads is the most generally applicable imo

While this game I think you've had, *followable* thought processes, but messy, too much to follow while matching 20 other players, and you've not had any reads that I actually wanted to mull over, consider becuase of the way you gave me new thoughts

y'know?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:39 am The reads i care about the most - jpic and kza town i believe i explained in detail

The bo knows post count read theres nothing much to say

If i wanted people to sheep my other reads i would have elaborated more on them

I'm not paying that much attention and drunk but yeah

@Alison do you want to talk about any reads with me?

awhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ok

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:52 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:23 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:22 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:21 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:16 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:16 pm My only experience of marmot is that he is silly when mafia and pretty serious when town. My sample size is only three games so I acknowledge i need more data.

This is true based on the one game I saw him as Mafia

Which game was that?

Shadow Corridors

he was known as Thundercat, some sort of villainous alter ego of his I'm sure

Alright, i may read that game sometime tomorrow if i have time

This post from JPIC is townie if he follows up on it. Did he?

why

I still don't know what alison thinks aboutr my tutuu read

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:58 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:54 am I still don't know what alison thinks aboutr my tutuu read

What is your tutuu read?

Tutuu likes playing scum more than town, so she would try more as scum. She has no reason as scum to go for cheap town reads; making typos, saying she isn't reading the game, etc

She didn't do this in bread mafia or overtime mafia, etc

She played a more traditional game with Tutuu towny energy

I think her not caring as much about this game is distinctly towny

both the top wagons are town

Fix it

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:13 am For much the same reasons I don't believe in things like TWTBW.

I respect it

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:08 am Are there reasons, however small, to keep Long Con or AL_sama alive?

long con: Easily readable with more content imo

Al: new player lol

I can't catch up on 13 pages before EoD

I was trying

Hi @Hally

the blush was meant to be after hally

the blush was meant to be after hally

I kindaa disagree with the al vote

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:46 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:45 pm I kindaa disagree with the al vote

I'd love to hear your thoughts.

I don't think he's really that scummy

He could be but there's a decently =rand chance he's just lhf imo

I haven't really looked at Marmot but that's a fine lynch imo

TSP is fine

Would be open to considering others

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:15 pm oddmerta is the only one in the game who knows al_sama and yet his iso contains no read of al_sama despite them being a consensus suspect

kind of curious

oddmerta has been weird in general thisg ame

I think al is town

I'm voting marmot to save Al

I'm very sure Al is town

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:58 pm might switch to marmot idk I sorta get the feeling marmot just got townspewed by straw

wolfy as fuck

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:59 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:58 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:58 pm might switch to marmot idk I sorta get the feeling marmot just got townspewed by straw

wolfy as fuck

you just said al sama was town and i say marmot is town so now what

you are wrong and also a wolf

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:33 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:31 pm forget what i said about marmot getting bussed. that doesn’t seem like a role you bus, or not willingly at least

In the moments it felt like they were trying to bus Al Sama but Esooa and I placed lynchpin votes on Marmot at a key moment that voided the possibility.

heck ya

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:42 pm AL_sama’s EOD is very team-friendly with Marmot.

meh

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:44 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:41 pm But TSP still tried to exe obvious town to save Marmot so I don't care. He's scum.

literally I do not see straw as obvious town and the only reason I didn't put them in my poe is because I see michelle as less obvious town than them and I do not understand how I'm suspicious for thinking that you're probably town when real town would be more paranoid and not thinking that straw, who has very few town bonafides, is obvious town

TSP is just doing nothing but using his 'flip-floppy' reads to push obv town

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:45 pm Multiball explains why TSP was tilting me so hard. He was genuinely scum hunting but in a narrower world. So he was shielding teammates but his scumreads are probably quite accurate.

FUCK multiball

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:52 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:48 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:44 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:41 pm But TSP still tried to exe obvious town to save Marmot so I don't care. He's scum.

literally I do not see straw as obvious town and the only reason I didn't put them in my poe is because I see michelle as less obvious town than them and I do not understand how I'm suspicious for thinking that you're probably town when real town would be more paranoid and not thinking that straw, who has very few town bonafides, is obvious town

Strawhenge is a much clearer soul read in this specific game than Alison. Context matters. I struggle to believe you here.

I haven't pushed alison though

That’s not relevant. You said you don’t understand why you can’t be paranoid about Strawhenge but you have to be paranoid about Alison.

Strawhenge is obvious. Alison is less obvious. No matter what she posts in this thread, she cannot match [first game in five years]. Context matters.

My Socky award is an albatross around my neck. I know I always complain about this but I legitimately cannot earn trust no matter what I do or say until I produce three dead scum. In this case I am a claimed PR who has done more solving than anyone else in the thread.

Complaint over. Strawhenge is obvious town regardless and TSP is scum for pushing him.

I have you as a very strong town read

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:56 pm hi, i just got out of a work meeting

i should be hard spewed a non-teammate with marmot. i pushed and cased marmot aggressively throughout the game, and it would be stupidly suicidal to bus someone with his particular role in the way that i did

i will chop someone else from the other team and then hard spew myself as 100% clear. wolves should be nervous.

I already tried that in NPO. Good luck ever doing anything this game lol

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:58 pm Marmot is run up. Al_sama is run up. Marmot votes Al_sama. This is obvious because when you are run up you vote the counterwagon as self-pres regardless of alignment. But Marmot claims it is not self-pres, Marmot claims it is authentic suspicion. (I called this out when I saw it. The towncred can be deposited directly in my bank account.) At the time Marmot does this he does not know that Al_sama will not be exed D1.

If Marmot thought Al_sama would flip town, he does not say "Al_sama is my scumread". He says "I am voting Al_sama because of self-pres". That way if Al_sama flips town he can say "so what? I said it was a self-pres vote, didn't I?"

If Marmot has Al_sama as a teammate, he knows his team is in deep shit. Therefore he tries to bus by saying "Al_sama is actually a wolf". That way if Al_sama flips wolf, he gets cred and maybe can skate by another day like he always does as mafia. If he goes down maybe he gets some nice anti-spew on Al_sama.

Therefore Al_sama is Marmot's teammate.

sure

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:00 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:57 pm I have you as a very strong town read

What happened between Alison null to this? I don't think we've talked much in the thread since then except for you watching my catchup while drunk?

you made towny posts

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:14 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:10 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:09 pm I need to finish an essay. Someone go look into all the people who tried to push Odd for being LHF.

LC did. I think TSP/ted did, can't remember which. Maybe both. Those guys are suspicious.

i pushed odd

Lucky for you you're so townie.

Who was the one who compared Odd to ChopChop? That person needs to be scrutinized.

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AL_sama wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:16 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:10 pm and on syndicate i consider it a vacation, other people usually do the work and my engine warms up later

is this true guys??

idk this post and the focus on Ted is really towny imo

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:17 pm Hot take. Al Sama and Esooa are teammates on the other team.

bc I town read him? That's all?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:27 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:25 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:24 pm falcon is one of the people I'm not allowed to push

Why not?

people come out of the woodwork and tell me you're "obvious town"

I actually just disagree with every push yuou make cause you're mafia

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:28 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:26 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:24 pm hot(?) take: strawhenge and KZA both look fairly non-aligned with marmot

i agree on straw. why kza?

it's almost entirely this post:

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:16 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:15 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:14 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:09 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:56 pm @KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?

I don't think I have been? I'm not worried about him right now so no reason to redact the read anyway

Maybe that wasn't the right word. I saw you called him town multiple times, but I couldn't find an explanation before.

His early case on Alison seemed like a reasonable Sloonei thought even if I didn't really agree with it

This is a reasonable KZA thought.

i formed the strong impression throughout the entirety of the day that marmot did not know what to post. he seemed stuck and relatively frozen. the posts that he made around the post that i quoted were his attempts to "anchor" himself into the game, so to speak

if marmot was trying to anchor himself into the game, then i think he's much more likely to quote a post from a villager and say "yeah, this is reasonable" instead of quoting a post from his teammate. wolves usually do not try to anchor themselves into games by directly engaging with their teammates - they usually do the opposite

i might not be explaining this the best, but i do think it makes kza/marmot look reasonably non aligned

did you get this anchor read from me

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:35 pm nope, i actually don't remember you making a similar read

feelsbadman