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Jay’s Day 1: A strategic review of Civilian Mafia please refer #66. He says that on Day 1, that it is critical that Civilians post and vote prolifically. This is a completely new approach for me but he is far more accomplished player than I (whom I respect enormously) and I am but a humble apprentice - happy to play around ineptly trying to learn at the Master’s feet...Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:45 pmHuh? I don't understand your post.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:25 pm Jay said in his Day 1 training presentation to throw votes around with gay abandon so here you go...
Epi, you’re it! Go!
Gay abandon?
I’m pleased you asked, my friend! It seems a rather slow start (which probably means very little). As I remarked earlier, I’m doing different stuff this game. Yes, I appreciate that I will fumble around and appear somewhat clumsy and awkward but I trust that everyone here might at least attempt to see that through the lens of someone working to master their craft.Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:07 pmGlorfindel wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:37 pm Hello, All. It’s been a very long time since my last game here - seems that way at least but it’s a pleasure for me to be here once againAnd ESPECIALLY to be playing with Master Sloonei once more
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What are your first impressions of this game, Mr Glorf?
Intriguing: a solid example of one of the principal tenants of Jay’s Day 1 Mafia guide. I think I may be starting to warm to this...MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:34 am Creature, LC and Glorfindel are civvies here in 850/1000 universes. Town core building underway.
I ‘seem’ to be making an effort to follow Jay’s guide on how to Town? You aren’t certain of that when I’ve made it crystal clear for everyone to see that that is PRECISELY what I’m doing this game? Interesting
Bottom left of post #66 - knock yourself outTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:25 amcan you link me this mafia guideGlorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:23 amIntriguing: a solid example of one of the principal tenants of Jay’s Day 1 Mafia guide. I think I may be starting to warm to this...MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:34 am Creature, LC and Glorfindel are civvies here in 850/1000 universes. Town core building underway.
Is it a real thing
I hear you, my friend but isn’t life a gamble? Every breath you take is a roll of the dice. You can’t know from one minute to the next how things will play out. Sure, you can live under the illusion that you have things under control but do you REALLY? I don’t mean to come off as anyway depressive - I’m just pointing out there’s no need to fear something that is a reality for all of us, all the time.
I understood that both adjectives had very similar meanings in that context? It’s been a long time, Sprityo. How have you been? Any thoughts on the significant posters so far?sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:31 pmWhy stop at gay?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:51 pmIt means without much careCreature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:45 pmHuh? I don't understand your post.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:25 pm Jay said in his Day 1 training presentation to throw votes around with gay abandon so here you go...
Epi, you’re it! Go!
Gay abandon?
Do it with gay AND reckless abandon
Sorry, not following you here my friend?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:04 amFound it but more importantlyGlorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:30 amBottom left of post #66 - knock yourself outTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:25 amcan you link me this mafia guideGlorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:23 amIntriguing: a solid example of one of the principal tenants of Jay’s Day 1 Mafia guide. I think I may be starting to warm to this...MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:34 am Creature, LC and Glorfindel are civvies here in 850/1000 universes. Town core building underway.
Is it a real thing
You play without an avatar but with signatures on?
[mention]Epignosis[/mention] In the second example you quoted above, Sabie made reference to JackofHearts. Can you please confirm his alignment in that game for me?Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:20 am Epignosis Pip-Boy 2000:
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Civilian sabie:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... sf=msgonly
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:58 pm How did I not answer why I thought it was weird? Kyle is all over the place being like I'm not gonna read anything and then explaining what the rule is then accusing creature out of nowhere who had assumed they knew them from some other site. It's a strange interaction. What response are you looking for?
I think either one of them could be bad because they're both acting weird but I'm really not familiar with either of them or their play style. Mac has been uncharacteristically quiet this game.sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:24 pmNo I just thought it was a weird way of saying things. Saying we're both town. Idk maybe that's what people say to say I have a town read on someone while also defending yourself and I've just never seen that before.birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:18 pmI don't think she is. But her facepalm-inducing reaction came off as someone trying to make a whole lot out of nothing. Same with Sokoth tbh.
I'm willing to vote creature or indiglo.sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:45 pm I'm willing to vote creature because I find him to be sketchy with his playstyle and fluffy opening posts. The weird wording of things and claiming to know kyle. Just thought the whole interaction was weird. I explained why I thought it was weird but apparently that wasnt good enough.sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:52 pmjuliets wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:44 pmsabie, you say you think either of them could be bad because they are both acting strange but then go on to say you're not familiar with either of them or their play style. I just don't understand that at all. Strange as compared to what? Also, I would think you would know by now but maybe you've missed it, Mac is from the other side of the world and is asleep during the day when we are all posting. He's always quiet during the day, it's not uncharacteristic.sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 5:58 pm How did I not answer why I thought it was weird? Kyle is all over the place being like I'm not gonna read anything and then explaining what the rule is then accusing creature out of nowhere who had assumed they knew them from some other site. It's a strange interaction. What response are you looking for?
I think either one of them could be bad because they're both acting weird but I'm really not familiar with either of them or their play style. Mac has been uncharacteristically quiet this game.
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I wasn't accusing mac just saying he usually posts more in general that's all. I know hes in a different time zone.
I just meant I thought the interaction and wording of things was weird but I dont know if they're always like that. Like it seems weird to me but maybe that's just how they usually talk. Like how they don't know how I usually play and that I have a hard time coming up with a lot of reads initially.
Every time I try to I am judged very harshly saying I dont have good enough reasons or explanations when its day 1 and theres not a lot to go on.[Holodisk retrieved]
Mafia sabie:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... sf=msgonly
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 7:21 am I can see both sides of the argument on gth reads. I always end up not being around when they happen so I always miss it. This early I kinda struggle to have any good reads on anyone so it's hard to decide that quickly. At the same time I also get slooneis point that it gets a conversation going and moves things in a direction. From what I've seen slooneis usual goal is to try to post a lot and get people talking in the beginning of the game.sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 8:09 pmWell you are doing what you normally do in making long posts getting people talking asking questions etc which has a lot of times been town sloon. I feel like you and nutella have had a back and forth thing in some games before. She's usually kinda back and forth on things so I find her hard to read. Juliets is always so nice so shes hard to read too. Epi appears to be his usual self at the moment.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:34 pmHey sabie. Let's start with the players you know best: what do you think of Epi, nutella, juliets, and me so far?sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 7:21 am I can see both sides of the argument on gth reads. I always end up not being around when they happen so I always miss it. This early I kinda struggle to have any good reads on anyone so it's hard to decide that quickly. At the same time I also get slooneis point that it gets a conversation going and moves things in a direction. From what I've seen slooneis usual goal is to try to post a lot and get people talking in the beginning of the game.
You left out some other people I usually play with. jack who I feel like is doing his usual town jack stuff at the moment where he posts a lot of random stuff. That time he was bad he was way more calm and reserved it seemed.
I always tend to think mac and speed are bad which is probably unfair of me.
The newer people I think are just kinda trying to work out how we play on this site.
Still dont feel like I have solid reads for sure about people but I'm trying to keep up with everything. This day 0 has been crazy.sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:57 am Hey I was busy dying a horrible death in better off Ted mafia so now that that's over I'm back over here.
From the people who currently have votes wilgy is iffy because I remember leading an accidental mislynch on him on another game for acting how he is now. Drogomir idk them I'll have to read a bit more from them. Sloonei seems like normal town sloonei as of right now
Nutella is always kinda back and forth and I've seen her and sloonei go back and forth before like that but I dont think they were teammates.
Lux I can see where the suspicion came from there. The wording of their posts and that comment about the mafia teams was a little suspect.
Juliets I would have to read again as I don't recall what she's even said so far.
And now as I was typing sloonei changed the vote to ultra. Is that due to all that mechanics talk ik the beginning trying to get the cop role to out themselves?Analysis: Mafia sabie is wordier in contrast to civilian sabie. Civilian sabie expresses firmer Day 1 opinions than Mafia sabie. Mafia sabie indulges in hedging language more frequently than civilian sabie.sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 3:23 pm Out of the people currently with votes I think my suspicions are more towards lux.
Nutella is iffy and difficult to read because she is often pretty wishy washy as people said but I think right now I feel worse about lux.
I dont think cooler has really said much of anything and ultra idk I just figured they're new and trying to figure out how we do things.
I will take a look at some of the other people mentioned as well and reread lux iso.
Also I think I saw juliets you have been having a hard time I do hope you're okay!
I've had some stuff come up irl as well that has held me back from participating as much as I'd like to. My uncle unfortunately passed last week so I've had some family stuff going on.
Sample size: Small
Conclusion: 67% Fallout sabie is mafia sabie.
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Mafia Sabie says in the post that Epi quoted above that she has a lot of experience with JackofHearts and that in that game she thought that he was Town on the basis that he was posting “lots of random stuff” and that when he’s Mafia, he is more “calm and reserved”. I find it interesting that she is making the same reference this game but framing* JackofHearts in the context of the paucity of his posts this game.
Hi, Jay! No, I’m using an iPad - is that the same thing? I can tell you, it’s getting a trifle annoying!JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:19 pmThis happens on occasion. I wouldn't worry about the "not secure" message, though we'd love to resolve that issue. It's not uncommon, so it isn't a portent of any nasty viruses or anything. The log-in issue is sometimes an issue on mobile when a phone swaps between wi-fi and SMS. Are you using a phone?Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:17 pm I think I have a problem here. Nearly every time I post, I’m being forced to log back into the site. There is a message in my browser saying that the site is ‘Not secure’. Should I be concerned? Because I am...
What can I say, Tony? I am walking in the footsteps of the Master this game...TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:52 amglorf gonna glorfGlorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:14 pm @Sloonei Yes, lots! I agree with most of it to be honest. I don’t know that I’d be quite so keen to pronounce Creature as Town (I’m not saying that I think otherwise, I just don’t think his posts necessarily scream Town as you seem to suggest there). I also find myself contemplating more deeply the prospective alignments of birdwithteeth, Long Con and Sprityo. What really caught my attention though was your comment in respect of JackofHearts and particularly how it aligns to the comments made by Sabie12. I am working under an assumption that you my friend are firm Town for me. I know it’s early in the game but the fact that your view on him matches Sabie’s and that he’s been undeniably ‘thin’ in both the quantity and depths of his posts so far this game are prompting me to consider my vote with more care.
Someone else tell me what to think of this if you want but I love it. I think the golden haired elf is probably my fourth strongest town read.
Well, I for one am prepared to make this interesting for him...TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:01 pmDay 1 creature: I don’t like this too boring
Day 2 creature: I don’t like this it got boring
I don’t have any strong recollection of Sabie from the games that I may have played with her long ago. Do you really believe that she (as Mafia) would use real life as an excuse to avoid scrutiny here? I’ll confess, Epi’s post kinda put me off voting her. I can understand how someone who frequently gets mis-lynched early in these games feels. Personally, I’m in two minds about her. I get real life is getting in the way for her but I don’t really think the pace of this game is necessarily that bad... it would be nice to see a little more from her.
[mention]Creature[/mention]: You mean like last EoD when we had, what was it? A four way tie? Or are you suggesting that every wagon then was Town and our Mafia friends had no axe to grind either way?
No offence, Mac but your impact on the game so far has been undeniably considerable. Your presence has been pretty consistently frequent and your posts have been provocative. You’re making a lot of waves. That’d be just the kind of player any Mafia team would want to convert.
Can I please get an explanation of the off-topic component of this post?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:59 am Guys it’s good to be playing again. I’m glad we’ve gotten back into the part I remember where everyone starts throwing things at each other and I get very confused because everyone is both so town and so wolf. I’m not sure how much I’ll be able to play in the future but I’ll resolve to put in a game every so often. Thank y’all for making it enjoyable. Most of the time.
Okay I was gonna iso Colin but I’m tired so I’m not sure how far I’ll get.
I can’t play Mafia games when I’m tired or hungry. I’ve now sorted the first and am addressing the second.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:54 pmSleeping is antitown.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:52 pm When I went to bed about eight hours ago, Sloonei had three votes. Who moved?
And while I’m at it @Creature : I didn’t ‘votepark’ on you, as I indicated above, I’ve been asleep the past eight hours...
Creature moved.
@s[mention]sabie12[/mention] I’m very sorry to hear that, my friend (and sorry for my remark - it was stupid and insensitive). I sincerely hope things get better soon and you can come back and play with us here again soonsabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:25 pm ]my performance was terrible because my life is currently terrible. I was at work from 8 am to 9 PM today so I literally had no way of being here to participate last night I was at urgent care forever. I just can't do this so that's why I sucked if you must knowGlorfindel wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:26 pm I don’t know that this is appropriate but I’m very disappointed in Sabie for this performance![]()
Colin, seriously, do you REALLY believe that Sloonei could be THAT unsophisticated in his play here? Because I sure as hell don’t!ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:02 am I’m 100% serious btw. He tried saving sabie and nestled her neatly into some green color but when it came down to it he performed the bus
I’m not saying that your theory is beyond the realm of possibility but that’s one train I think I’ll refrain from jumping aboard for now, Colin. Realistically, it’s rather likely it will be a decision that will be taken out of my hands before very long.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:16 am Wild Wasteland tinfoil mode engaged. You are invited to come along
I have no problem with it. If you are planning on changing it, perhaps trial a few colours to confirm that they are acceptable to everyone. Perhaps then, we can all use the same colour for highlighting and make the game better for everyone?Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:52 pmsorry. will make a note of it. i forget that not everyone's on the black background.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:42 pm Sloonei could you stop highlighting stuff in lime green? It doesn’t show well at all in my screen settings.
[mention]Sloonei[/mention] I’m afraid that you’ve caught me at a somewhat awkward moment. I’m about to head into a funeral. Will address your question once it lets out.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:35 pmMy concern is that I did not intend to frame Jack's behavior as suspicion. What I meant in my original analysis of him was that his play aligns more closely with Town Jack, but that I wanted more from him in spite of this. I don't think it's damning by any means that you interpreted as suspicion in line with what sabie was saying, but it's something I've taken note of.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:23 pm Sloonei: I’m more than happy to address your concerns my friend.
1. Words are important and I fear that you have (presumably inadvertently) misrepresented my remarks in that post of mine that you quoted. I said that what caught my attention was how yours and Sabie’s comments on Jack aligned, not that they were identical. By this, I meant simply that you both clearly found something inherently suspicious in his play worthy of calling out publicly.
I object to none of this.2. I bought into the suspicion on Sabie but openly admit that I bought into mot wanting to lynch her based on THAT post of Epi’s and her prestations about being an easy early game mislynch. Believing that my early suspicions of her were errant, I assumed that based on her comments about Jack and your comments about his play this game as sufficient reason to place my vote on him Day 1. I found (and still do) his posts to have an unusually high fluff content which is not what I recall having experienced from playing with him in the past. Yes, I’ll admit that Sabie flipping Mafia makes his Mafia alignment look a lot less likely but doesn’t necessarily rule it out entirely.
3. My question to Mac was (in part) a perhaps clumsy attempt at advancing the game (no, I’m not a player of Jay’s calibre and doubt that I ever will be but please give me credit for trying). Further, the scenario I presented to Mac was far from hypothetical. I think you’ll find that at the time I made that post, you and Creature were the joint lead wagons and the suspicions on Sabie had appeared to have gone cold (following Epi’s post, etc. etc...). I was concerned that our Mafia friends may have been attempting to build momentum to lynch you and wanted to feel Mac out to discern if he was likely to support what (at the time) was looking like a distinct possibility to me.
If I’ve failed to address your concerns, I’m happy to continue this conversation with you for however long it takes for you to see the truth. I’ve been honest in my response to you so I trust you will I understand that if I come off sounding either naive or clueless.
Who should we be looking at to begin this day?
Whilst it’s absolutely tragic that we’ve lost another of our number, I think we can count ourselves a little lucky at not having to deal with the potentially unfortunate impacts of this role...JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:44 pm The poll is up, but the deadline is manual. See the poll question.
Dragomir has been killed by the host. He was IAN.
Creature would (I think) be an odd choice as a recruit although the Mafia team wouldn’t have had anything to go on in terms of his play when they had to make their choice. Still, I think it’s unlikely. And I agree with you, I think you’ve been anything but useless since you’ve returned to us. I thought you’ve been most constructive in your comments and observations.birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:32 pmAnd there it is.
Between you and Creature, I feel like I've seen a bigger change with Creature's behavior. So I would be more inclined to think he is the potential recruit over you.
Unless, of course we were looking at dual Mafia wagons there. If Creature were ‘the Master’, surely that would explain a bus on Sabie?