The Syndicate

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:46 pm Actually answering the questions I pose would be not only just one way to get me to not suspect you, but a way to, you know, engage in a game.

Are you going to suggest I'm not engaged in the game?

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:48 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:32 pm Voting Dom

Was tempted towards a timmer vote as well, but that would be a policy lynch. Dom isn't.
What's your reason for voting me here?

It was gut. I think you're absence, while probably explained by real life, was in part tactical. Because I've seen how you use tactical absence as a baddie.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:50 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:48 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:46 pm Actually answering the questions I pose would be not only just one way to get me to not suspect you, but a way to, you know, engage in a game.
Are you going to suggest I'm not engaged in the game?
No.
I'm suggesting that you are avoiding engaging with me in any genuine way.

That's true. With wilgy too. Why do you think that indicates I'm bad? Have you considered any other reasons why it might be?

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:57 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:55 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:48 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:32 pm Voting Dom

Was tempted towards a timmer vote as well, but that would be a policy lynch. Dom isn't.
What's your reason for voting me here?
It was gut. I think you're absence, while probably explained by real life, was in part tactical. Because I've seen how you use tactical absence as a baddie.
You previously have said you already have stated that. Can you find the post? I can't.

I'm on my phone. I said it was gut at least once. I think you have in fact already criticised me for it.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:58 pm I thought the poll ended friday?

It's a speed game...

It's this stuff from you I don't buy.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:00 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:57 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:50 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:48 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:46 pm Actually answering the questions I pose would be not only just one way to get me to not suspect you, but a way to, you know, engage in a game.
Are you going to suggest I'm not engaged in the game?
No.
I'm suggesting that you are avoiding engaging with me in any genuine way.
That's true. With wilgy too. Why do you think that indicates I'm bad? Have you considered any other reasons why it might be?
This post does not make me feel great about Golden.

Why? I've been entirely open about the fact that I don't intend to engage with these massive cases on me and copious questioning. Why would it come as a surprise to you now that I'm open about it?

The most important question is, why does that make me bad? The only logical response I can see is 'because I don't like it'. You don't have to like it.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:02 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:00 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:58 pm I thought the poll ended friday?
It's a speed game...

It's this stuff from you I don't buy.
I seriously doubt you think I am bad.
If I had BTSC, I would have definitely already asked them when the phase ended.

And then lied about it.

And yes, gut is exactly what I said. I just provided you a little more explanation about the gut feeling. The fact you immediately used it against me is EXACTLY why I had no intent of meaningfully engaging with you. You only want to engage with me to use my next sentence against me. No thank you. Going back to not answering your questions now.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:04 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:02 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:00 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:57 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:50 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:48 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:46 pm Actually answering the questions I pose would be not only just one way to get me to not suspect you, but a way to, you know, engage in a game.
Are you going to suggest I'm not engaged in the game?
No.
I'm suggesting that you are avoiding engaging with me in any genuine way.
That's true. With wilgy too. Why do you think that indicates I'm bad? Have you considered any other reasons why it might be?
This post does not make me feel great about Golden.
Why? I've been entirely open about the fact that I don't intend to engage with these massive cases on me and copious questioning. Why would it come as a surprise to you now that I'm open about it?

The most important question is, why does that make me bad? The only logical response I can see is 'because I don't like it'. You don't have to like it.
No.
It shows no regard for building trust so the civvies can win.

You're not a civvie so I don't care about building trust with you.

Sprit - actually is rather lynch lc. But Dom would be fine.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:06 pm I don't want to play with Golden if he's gonna be a dick.

I'm not being a dick. it's nothing personal, I'm playing this game a particular way, you're not going to have fun if you try to change it because it isn't going to change. Just roll with it, I'm having fun.

I'm telling you though, if you're town, the only reason you think I'm bad is because of how I'm engaging with you, and you should really reevaluate that.

Sprit, just read the thread, it's all there.

I didn't say nothing Dom... I said nothing but no u. I'm all you've talked about.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:14 pm Golden, maybe you shouldn't just skim my posts for your name

Maybe you should take me less seriously. I'd rather lc die than you.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:17 pm (It's because that's bullshit. He knows I can get votes to die today and LC can't. LC is tomorrow's target)

I don't know any such thing and have no interest in trying to convince anyone to vote for you. The only person who sees both of you as potentially bad and engaged with me in the matter so far voted for lc.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:18 pm is this the one i should read, golden?

Yes and the stuff around it.

Dom, I understand your frustration at me, but it's not about you. I stonewalled Wilgy first. I stonewalled nutella when she asked if I was supatown. I will stonewall the next person who wants me to engage in some massive case on me. So please don't take it personal like. I'm just playing a particular way this game, and it's not about being a dick. I understand why you feel this way given I'm also voting for you.

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:17 pm I don't actually think Dom is bad. I could be totally wrong in my read of him, but I'm not currently reading him as bad. Golden, I think you're tunneling on him, which is part of why I think you're not bad. You tunnel less when you're bad.

Meh, I'm not particularly tunnelled on Dom. That's why I want LC to go, I feel far more convinced about him than Dom. Dom's recent exchanges have me feeling more town about him than I did before, and he is beginning to cast his net wider. Dom, Wilgy and Rico are all exceptionally tunnelled on me, none of them have ever exhibited a hint of doubt that I'm bad.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:26 pmwell arent you just directing it all TOWARDS Golden?

I mean, if dom let me not engage with him, dom/golden wouldn't be a thing.

Dom is the one who came out at the start of the day and declared it dom vs golden. It's not how I see it at all, but I can't seem to shake it.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:26 pm Alright i think i see what youre getting at, Golden, and i can see why speedchuck would agree with you on voting LC, even though you already voted dom for, pressure was it? or it was just a gut read that you are okay with but still think LC is a better lynch?

Yeah, it was still my gut read, and I just felt like voting at that time.

I don't actually think TSP should follow through on his plan to prove he's not Marcus. It's too easily manipulated by the baddies, whether he is one or not.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:11 pmwatch out for timmer never actually catching up. that's classic baddie timmer.
When I come up civ, remember how wrong Golden was. Remember how I was told repeatedly that I had written nothing when I wrote many posts giving well thought out reasons for him being bad

Watch out for INH hiding behind being *quirky*

Watch out Elo pretending she can't read my posts.

I love this post by the way. It's the point at which my mind on Dom began to turn.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:31 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:30 pm I want to give dom a chance to restart during the night phase, so im inclined to Vote LC

linki: @Dom, youre not helping yourself by getting defensive and flustered. Continuing to act that way will get people to vote you, like Eloh just did
maybe I want to be out.
Maybe I don't like how apparently we can be a dick to each other and that's called "playing the game"

Well, I don't particularly like how people think they can have expectations of me about how I have to play that they'd never expect from more enigmatic players. I bet you wouldn't expect Wilgy or Marmot to engage on your case of them the way you expect me to...

But I'm not being a dick. Like I said, try just rolling with it.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:33 pmYet, you're the reason why I'm gonna die.
Funny how that works.

Nah, I'm not taking that one on. You're the one who asked eloh to vote for you, and you're currently tied at 2-2 with LC. You have every ability to survive this lynch if you want to.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:35 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:26 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:17 pm I don't actually think Dom is bad. I could be totally wrong in my read of him, but I'm not currently reading him as bad. Golden, I think you're tunneling on him, which is part of why I think you're not bad. You tunnel less when you're bad.
Meh, I'm not particularly tunnelled on Dom. That's why I want LC to go, I feel far more convinced about him than Dom. Dom's recent exchanges have me feeling more town about him than I did before, and he is beginning to cast his net wider. Dom, Wilgy and Rico are all exceptionally tunnelled on me, none of them have ever exhibited a hint of doubt that I'm bad.
I'm not enthusiastic about someone who votes, and then tries to get people to vote elsewhere.

I wouldn't have necessarily characterised you as enthusiastic at all

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:37 pm It's almostl ike he wants no accountability or something

I don't want any accountability. I've admitted to that every time you've said it. What's so 'civvie' about accountability anyway?

But also, don't try to pretend I should have any accountability for you asking people to vote for you. I won't pretend you have any accountability for me doing the same.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:40 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:38 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:37 pm It's almostl ike he wants no accountability or something
I don't want any accountability. I've admitted to that every time you've said it. What's so 'civvie' about accountability anyway?
What's so 'bad' about deleting the files that prove you're money laundering?

Shh, that was our secret!

The vast bulk of civilians who play mafia never take accountability for anything. So lets not pretend that intentional lack of accountability is somehow a mafia trait. As I've said many times this game and will continue to say, my lack of accountability should, if anything, prove I'm town.

Why is that relevant? I can vote whenever I like.

I make no apologies for voting early. I do it often. I don't have any regrets about it when I would later change my mind. I think it provides certain tactical benefits.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:49 pm I am also not enthusiastic about speedchuck's vote for Long Con, followed up by someone he apparently suspects. I am hoping to hear more from speedchuck before I vote.

He voted then because he wasn't going to be back.

Tony, probably, in the absence of having really considered other options to this point. Although I guess I technically wouldn't have a vote.

Tony - your plan wasn't to vote for LC, it was to vote for the second of three possible candidates. I just think you should vote for who you most think is bad.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:56 pm To answer my own question, INH. I agree with Ricochet about the curse.

That's interesting. You'd put inh ahead of Tony?

I also think the 'inh did the curse' thing has merit. So does LC doing it, though. It has to be someone who actually read the game it came from, I don't know who was in that game.

How about this question, epi... with dom, golden and LC alive, would you still vote INH?

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:01 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:57 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:56 pm To answer my own question, INH. I agree with Ricochet about the curse.
That's interesting. You'd put inh ahead of Tony?

I also think the 'inh did the curse' thing has merit. So does LC doing it, though. It has to be someone who actually read the game it came from, I don't know who was in that game.
Do we know it's a curse?

We know there is a role that does 'an insanification of its choice' and there's no other obvious candidate.

My vote wasn't forced, LoRab. It was intentionally provocative. In particular, I wanted to see how willing certain people were to put their money where their mouth was in terms of their focus on me being bad... I thought it might provoke a reactionary vote against me from Dom, for instance. The fact Dom has held off voting for me despite his clearly emotional reaction towards me is another factor that has me leaning town on him.

Glad you've caught up on LoRab, Epi

I actually think my declared town core is one we should try to rely on, because I believe in it (the marginal reads aside, which are all leaning further away rather than into those reads now).

I've considered rico self-cursing, but I don't think so. I got the sense his flow was disrupted. I still think LC's immediate reaction post to Rico's curse is relevant. Possibly its inh and LC together.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:01 pm My current "town core" as I see it

Me
speechuck (heh, that was an accident, but I ain't fixing it)
Wilgy
Rico
Epi
LoRab
Maybe inh and eloh as well, but I find them harder to be sure of
I'd like to throw Tony in but I don't know him well enough

Here it is, for the record. I'm considering adding sprityo, and eloh fully, its inh and tony who have more gone the other way.

Me, probably? lol.

Or he sent in no PM and then faked it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:15 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:14 pm Or he sent in no PM and then faked it.
To what end?

I mean, I said I considered it and came to the conclusion he wouldn't.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:13 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:10 pm Glad you've caught up on LoRab, Epi I actually think my declared town core is one we should try to rely on, because I believe in it (the marginal reads aside, which are all leaning further away rather than into those reads now).

I've considered rico self-cursing, but I don't think so. I got the sense his flow was disrupted. I still think LC's immediate reaction post to Rico's curse is relevant. Possibly its inh and LC together.
If he "self-cursed," then it would mean someone else is cursed, or the cursing person was blocked or forgot to send in a PM.

I am right now ready to lynch INH.
I am okay with an INH lynch.

Are you not ok with an LC lynch? Why not?

What relevance does that have to whether LC is bad?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:24 pm Golden, what is your opinion of INH? My impression is that you aren't happy with it.

I can't read inh for shit, but this is legitimately the first game I've ever played with him where I get no baddie vibes with him. On the other hand, I think there is legitimate in thread evidence that LC perpetrated the curse.

I guess what I'm struggling with is... is inh the kind of guy to do something that so obviously links back to him? And I have no answer to that, because I don't understand his brain.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:24 pm Becuase it makes me doubt your case.

Fair enough, but I think you should take my case out of it and look at the way he took your posts for his own ends. Just give it a think. If you really don't want to, I get it.

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:26 pmAlthough, if I were a third player reading this, I'd wonder if for every time that you've been wrong about me in one direction, you're totally wrong about me in the other, lol.

This is also what I'm struggling with in relation to my read of inh lol. Like.. 'is it possible that the time I'm not reading him as bad, that's when he is'.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:27 am Fuck, man. Fuck! I'm more than a little drunk right now, and I can't believe that Poppy came back. Rico, your blob emoji thing was fresh and new, and carried none of the annoying subdrama that Poppy did. I'm so sad right now.

This is the post I'm talking about. To me, cursing the self-curser and then posting about it would appeal to LC. But it's a pet theory, I know.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:32 pm Then again, he's also painfully aware of our failure to empathize on a mafia gameplay level, and I'm paranoid that he could be using that to divert me from his own actual scumminess. So, I can't really trust neither my gut nor my brain when it comes to him.

The problem is, I'd have no idea if my efforts to divert you would actually divert you or not

If I'm reading you wrong here and you're bad, I'm going to take the approach that you're always the opposite of what I think.

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