The Syndicate

Marge Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:16 am I keep pushing myself off Burns because, given our play style difference there's the argument of "man, maybe this guy just has his usual weird ass perspectives that I never get and that's why I think he's scum"

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:10 am

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:56 am

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:47 am

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Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:43 am

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:37 am

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:34 am

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:05 am About the 5 players poe, looks like a trap, even if we.can make a consensus poe of 5 that will contain villagers too and wolves can switch the elim of a mate in the Poe with a new mischop especially if at least one wolf is outside the Poe.

A PoE by nature contains civilians. What do you mean by trap?

you should do it in day 1, now town can't make a poe of 5 and win the game

Of course it can if townies find each other. My D1 was D2 and that's when I did mine. Wolves influencing it is a given, they'll also influence a non-PoE timeline.

who is scum in your view?

Lisa, Krusty and I guess Burns. PoE style Grumple and Grampa completes it. I'm actually tempted to switch the latter with someone from my town picks, I did a huge 180 on him. Grumple's indignation with the tie break felt underwhelming and I don't really buy into the tie meta argument, think it's also a not the time to be ticked about it since we haven't actually seen Lisa flip yet to draw conclusion from it. It's meh.

In yours?

too many thread consensus flipped villagers, i think the game is in scum's hands who may not even be wagoned, idk really

i already said i see you scum, and Burns GTH town and Marge came and changed read for Burns and voted me.

This is after she pretended to know who i am and gave me a pockety underserved TR, who looked convenient because i wasn't dangerous.
I think this is scummy behaviour and i would not be surprised for Marge to be an alien who kidnapped mom and wants to eat me alive now.

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:45 am I said his posts on Burns without conclusion are busy work and easy to fake as scum, and also i said he looks content with the gamestate and he îs suggesting a 5 players Poe when we can't afford to miselim 5 players.

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:27 pm 2nd attempt
my first trio to check GTH

Otto
Marge
Gramps

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:30 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:23 pm

Spoiler: show

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:10 am

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:56 am

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:47 am

Spoiler: show

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:43 am

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:37 am
you should do it in day 1, now town can't make a poe of 5 and win the game

Of course it can if townies find each other. My D1 was D2 and that's when I did mine. Wolves influencing it is a given, they'll also influence a non-PoE timeline.

who is scum in your view?

Lisa, Krusty and I guess Burns. PoE style Grumple and Grampa completes it. I'm actually tempted to switch the latter with someone from my town picks, I did a huge 180 on him. Grumple's indignation with the tie break felt underwhelming and I don't really buy into the tie meta argument, think it's also a not the time to be ticked about it since we haven't actually seen Lisa flip yet to draw conclusion from it. It's meh.

In yours?

too many thread consensus flipped villagers, i think the game is in scum's hands who may not even be wagoned, idk really

i already said i see you scum, and Burns GTH town and Marge came and changed read for Burns and voted me.

This is after she pretended to know who i am and gave me a pockety underserved TR, who looked convenient because i wasn't dangerous.
I think this is scummy behaviour and i would not be surprised for Marge to be an alien who kidnapped mom and wants to eat me alive now.

I don't remember you having an issue with her TR. You agreed with my take on her.

What are your thoughts on Lisa? I asked you a few questions about it yesterday.

I have my vote on her, i want her to show and play.

Until she comes itt i will not say anything.

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:03 pm Lisa's post count is way off her D1 & D2, she's contributed 1 post so far D3. I'd like to see a Lisa vs Burns wagon, soooooooo

Marge Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:05 pm

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Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:10 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:08 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

To just vote, not talk.

Why are you on Mill?

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:26 am

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:18 pm

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Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:03 pm Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:07 pm [VOTE: Grampa] aubergine

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:08 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:10 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:08 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

To just vote, not talk.

@Hugh Jass: This'll come across defensive as hell since it's coming from me, but was an OMGUS vote—based on a joke vote from the beginning of the game—right before EOD really the best you were able to muster in a little over half an hour? After a day of being able to read back, what are your reads, if any?

Same to you @Milhouse Van Houten. Anything beyond the town/scum wall now?

Hugh, you mentioned I have a "weird obsession" with inactives, but this is why. We have nothing (majorly actionable) to work off of from you two after an entire cycle. I'm not asking you to flood us with in-depth reads, nobody's really doing that, but like, something? Anything? After 72 hours, what's the scoop?

Before the spew clear and role claim I was pretty comfortable with the Flanders/Skinner wagons, and hadn't really built a major POE beyond that except with poking holes in what Marge was saying re: Homer and generally being unimpressed with Milhouse's empty wall. Will need to fix that today at some point.

Can't do better than voting Mafia. It's pretty disingenuous to label it as an OMGUS vote, I clearly mentioned your behavior of obsessing over inactives as well as your comment accompanying the vote. Also an omgus would imply that you actually suspected me rather than just a joke vote.

This is a bullshit argument. You tagging me and mentioning me throughout the phase when I haven't even entered the thread doesn't align with that at all. I'd accept that if I was already here and doing nothing or dipped, and you wanted to hear more about me. It comes off more as scum having trouble engaging with the happenings of the thread and creating content, and then using inactives to that end. It's a cheap way of selling an engaged and concerned vibe.

Post 425: Case in point in this post. It's an awful post, even worse is I, a no poster, is mentioned in it. Like how was I even worthy of mentioning at all in it as an option. The "seems better thzn chopping a no-show in Hugh" is ridiculous. It's the scum having troubled to create genuine substance I'm talking about. You're using that bit as a way to sell of your vote and fluffing your post. Same with Milhouse there.

I haven't read everything yet.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:44 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:36 pm The old man looks terrible in a lot of ways, but is also right that Hugh Jass voted for him for NONE of those reasons and Hugh Jass looks terrible as well.

I hate this read. I think this comes from a wolf more often than not, like it doesn't feel real at all. It's scheme-y as hell, the way he engages and accept the suspicion on gramps at a superficial level without getting into anything concrete, while at the same time shading me who also happen to be at odds with the gramps.

Like the way he goes one about gramps being suspicious for several reasons, and me suspecting me for none of those reasons. The emphasis of none feels fake lol.

Waiting for him to expand.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:00 am

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:46 am

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:26 am Can't do better than voting Mafia. It's pretty disingenuous to label it as an OMGUS vote, I clearly mentioned your behavior of obsessing over inactives as well as your comment accompanying the vote. Also an omgus would imply that you actually suspected me rather than just a joke vote.

This is a bullshit argument. You tagging me and mentioning me throughout the phase when I haven't even entered the thread doesn't align with that at all. I'd accept that if I was already here and doing nothing or dipped, and you wanted to hear more about me. It comes off more as scum having trouble engaging with the happenings of the thread and creating content, and then using inactives to that end. It's a cheap way of selling an engaged and concerned vibe.

Post 425: Case in point in this post. It's an awful post, even worse is I, a no poster, is mentioned in it. Like how was I even worthy of mentioning at all in it as an option. The "seems better thzn chopping a no-show in Hugh" is ridiculous. It's the scum having troubled to create genuine substance I'm talking about. You're using that bit as a way to sell of your vote and fluffing your post. Same with Milhouse there.

I haven't read everything yet.

you just made me ISO myself, and I resent that

I tagged you one singular time before D2 (and it was after people started pressuring Homer for dipping, so seems relevant to the situation at the time of you still not having posted by then), mentioned you a couple times when talking about zero posters (a shocking twist that you, a zero poster, would be mentioned in such a thing)

anyways, where I come from, inactivity ends up being a scum-tell more often than it doesn't

that may not be the case here and I accept that, and I am trying to not base my reads and moves solely off of that

Speaking of "here," is there any way to see vote history?

I'm pretty sure when I switched my vote to Lisa at the end of D1, I was the only voter on her, or maybe the second (leave obvious room for error here since apparently my memory is absolute garbage). Who did I sell my vote to? Then I switched to the Milhouse wagon, which clearly parses since, as you describe, I'm "weirdly obsessed" with inactives

(even though my case on Milhouse went beyond simply not being here: it was based on him coming by to drop a single town/scum wall and then disappearing again; not participating and then showing up to offer no actionable reads before going back to not participating is not town-y, and in a world of claims and spew, seemed as good a choice as any)

Do you suspect me for being absent up until the last half hour or so?

To the thread, to anyone reading your posts. I didn't mean it as in you trying to get people to join on that wagon, more like selling it as legitimate I guess.

What was suspicious about him dropping that town/scum wall? Did you have no other wolf read from D1?

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:11 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:00 am

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:52 am

I have made reads. I called Mill a townie, and he flipped Town. I called Gramps a wolf, and I'm calling you one now.

three names drawn apparently from a hat and attached to words aren't "reads."

Mill -

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:02 pm Mill is town for that post calling alignment based on entrance posts. I'm having trouble seeing a flanking wolf do that post and then just dip, it's the kind of unprompted things that usually comes from town, like I guess he had the urge to do alignment guesses for fun.

Gramps -

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Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:03 pm Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:26 am

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:18 pm

Spoiler: show

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:03 pm Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:07 pm [VOTE: Grampa] aubergine

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:08 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:40 pm [VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:10 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:08 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:05 pm

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

To just vote, not talk.

@Hugh Jass: This'll come across defensive as hell since it's coming from me, but was an OMGUS vote—based on a joke vote from the beginning of the game—right before EOD really the best you were able to muster in a little over half an hour? After a day of being able to read back, what are your reads, if any?

Same to you @Milhouse Van Houten. Anything beyond the town/scum wall now?

Hugh, you mentioned I have a "weird obsession" with inactives, but this is why. We have nothing (majorly actionable) to work off of from you two after an entire cycle. I'm not asking you to flood us with in-depth reads, nobody's really doing that, but like, something? Anything? After 72 hours, what's the scoop?

Before the spew clear and role claim I was pretty comfortable with the Flanders/Skinner wagons, and hadn't really built a major POE beyond that except with poking holes in what Marge was saying re: Homer and generally being unimpressed with Milhouse's empty wall. Will need to fix that today at some point.

Can't do better than voting Mafia. It's pretty disingenuous to label it as an OMGUS vote, I clearly mentioned your behavior of obsessing over inactives as well as your comment accompanying the vote. Also an omgus would imply that you actually suspected me rather than just a joke vote.

This is a bullshit argument. You tagging me and mentioning me throughout the phase when I haven't even entered the thread doesn't align with that at all. I'd accept that if I was already here and doing nothing or dipped, and you wanted to hear more about me. It comes off more as scum having trouble engaging with the happenings of the thread and creating content, and then using inactives to that end. It's a cheap way of selling an engaged and concerned vibe.

Post 425: Case in point in this post. It's an awful post, even worse is I, a no poster, is mentioned in it. Like how was I even worthy of mentioning at all in it as an option. The "seems better thzn chopping a no-show in Hugh" is ridiculous. It's the scum having troubled to create genuine substance I'm talking about. You're using that bit as a way to sell of your vote and fluffing your post. Same with Milhouse there.

I haven't read everything yet.

You -

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:44 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:36 pm The old man looks terrible in a lot of ways, but is also right that Hugh Jass voted for him for NONE of those reasons and Hugh Jass looks terrible as well.

I hate this read. I think this comes from a wolf more often than not, like it doesn't feel real at all. It's scheme-y as hell, the way he engages and accept the suspicion on gramps at a superficial level without getting into anything concrete, while at the same time shading me who also happen to be at odds with the gramps.

Like the way he goes one about gramps being suspicious for several reasons, and me suspecting me for none of those reasons. The emphasis of none feels fake lol.

Waiting for him to expand.

Cool story bro

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:00 am

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:52 am

I have made reads. I called Mill a townie, and he flipped Town. I called Gramps a wolf, and I'm calling you one now.

Sorry twenty minute man, but I just am not ready to buy into "I showed up, skimmed the thread, and KNEW the low poster was town." If you did REALLY KNOW it's because he wasn't in your wolf room. If you are just "well, he was no worse than rand and I happened to guess right" then get off your high horse.

I absolutely couldn't care less if you're buying into whatever "it" is lol. There is also no "KNEW", you're being extremely disingenuous here. It is expected though. I highlighted the read I made on Mill just in response to you saying I haven't made any reads.

He was indeed no worse than rand, and that is my opinion lol. I'm not on any high horse, you're the one apparently all worked up. Relax, buddy.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:54 am Finally caught up! I'm feeling things, feeling a lot of things but I'm having trouble trying to put them into words lol. It was also pretty difficult internalizing information, felt like reading posts from new players everywhere and the lack of familiarity with avys I guess you get lost sometimes and don't even remember who said what.

I think my strongest town reads would be Marge, Otto and Alison. Found myself agreeing with like almost everything Marge saying and that's pretty crazy lol. We have the two same scum reads and like most of her posts comes off as natural and you can see her train of thoughts. They're like open and accessible if that makes any sense, doesn't feel like there is an agenda behind them. I usually find the "lol" and other laughing acronyms as scum tells sometimes when they don't really match the tone and vibe of a player, and they're like using them to sweeten their post and comes off as anxious. Here it feels like she's just having fun, and it kind of gives off a good care free vibe that is townie.

Otto and Alison are the og contributors of the thread. I liked the energy they came in with, and it felt like it came with genuine game solving intent. Didn't really agree all that much with some of Otto's reads but they felt genuine, a lot of progression and reconsiderations which makes me feel like he's trying to figure out people for real and not just putting a show. I particularly liked post 72, I think it's the kind of post that only town does. It's nothing fancy but like scum never make them because they're never solving for real. I don't know if this make any sense lol, it's like the kind of self reflecting and gathering of thoughts that comes from a townie mindset when they're trying to get a feel for the state of the game. Agreed with his Gtumple take, felt also genuine and not like him wanting to get Grumple off his back. I understand it too 'cause you usually can have personal takes on how someone is treating you so you can get reads from it, I'm a no u specialist since I feel like I have good instincts for when scum is pushing me for bullshit reasons lol. Overall have the same thought about Alison, I liked her Gramps take and while I started suspecting him for different and more personal reasons, her take are good. The change of speed of Gramps is particularily telling. I also like her feelings about the state of the game and how its going, feel like genuine town concerns.

Pretty much agree with Marge about Homer. The idgaf attitude her and not tailoring his game to people especially after getting prodded is more likely town than not. Also it actually feels genuine, rather than like a scum trying to sell that fake bravado. He kind of embodies it here lol. The lock town on Mill is absolutely beautiful.

I'm having some trouble with CBG, little bit of a love hate relationship. I kind of read his concise posts as town like, they feel like naked thoughts and right to the point. Also some of the silly one liners he's dished have surprisingly pinged me town lol. He has that same attitude vibe that Homer have, although it's not something that is unfakeable (if that is word). Not sure if I'm dumb but post 417 is town for me lmao. We have Mill about to get eliminated, and it's like a meme-y mafia read on him that I just don't think Mafia ever makes. It's fucking hilarious.

Unlike his parents, I have no fucking clue who Bart is. He's in my townpile though. I guess for the bland reasons that his thoughts are genuine bla bla bla lol. I kind of like the little work he's done when he's been playing the game and contributing. Feels real to me, and while it actually matches other peoples reads especially the scum reads, it kind of comes off as he's coming into them on his own like he's playing the game at his own pace.

Kristy, and Lisa are in my PoE. I haven't really figured them out much and some stuff have pinged me. Also not a lot of things to work with. Krusty gives off a weird disattached vibe, like he's a robot if that makes sense lol. There is like no emotion accompanying his posts and it comes off as if he's not actually trying to figure people out just asking questions. Speaking of questions, I'm not seeing him reach much conclusions and seems like he's just faking contributions through those questions who don't seem most of the time to be stuff that will actually help him figure someone out. More like bland and semantic stuff that I guess help him fake contribution. I think his take on Mill's wall post is the kind of wolfy remark used to shade others. He's like piggy backing off others when they're discussing Mill, and he just pops in to point out something that can be seen as scummy and then nothing further. He dips from there with clean hands. Kind of saw it that way.

Not a big fan of Lisa's little contribution. Feels like she's hunting some easy posts to go off of, and then just share some bland takes. She's kind of using them to appear as if contributing. It's not the lack of reasoning that is off to me, it's more like they seem to be random as hell. There is no train of thoughts or contuinity to them, she's not like quoting different posts about a same discussion trying to give her thoughts about them or add to the discussion. She's more putting her hand into a lot of different discussion to I guess appear more visible, and broaden her reach.

Already talked about Gramps and Burns who are at the bottom of my PoE. Haven't really moved much off of them after catching up completely, although I'd say I'm still mulling over some things I've seen from Gramps. Also the inactives thing could be a culture/playstyle clash, but even then I'm not a big fan of the rest of his contribution. The gear shift that Alison built her case on is something I agree with as well. Scums are more likely to make it when called out, and it kind of shows that whatever vibe or attitude they had prior was fake.

I still fucking hate Mr. Burns with a passion. I think he was trying to discredit early on Alison and Otto with the fear mongering about them potentially power wolfing. It's a cheap way to shade someone while posing it as a an open ended question, "oh I'm just aking myself" "I'm not sure". It sounds so fucking fake, and it's usually the kind of cowardy wolf tactics to shade loud voices. No fucking townie put that thought out there immediately. It's so slimy lol.

I've got more thoughts there, and also more thoughts in general but this is it for this post. It actually fucking sucks to come from behind 'cause I have so many problems trying to put into words everything I want to say lol. I guess that'll serve me missing the whole phase. Hopefully I'll keep being up to date this phase. I initially thought about iso-ing every single player and then sharing my thoughts posts by posts as that'd be easier, but fuck that lmao.

I was fine with all of these posts

Marge Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:13 pm sure whatever, I can compromise

feel like Bart reacted villagery here and it may be worth sheeping them

my reads are gonna be bad probably because of the game environment, the way the game is and the combo of players and their views makes it hard for me to get accurate reads

[VOTE: Hugh Jass ] aubergine

The Grumple wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:18 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:56 amGrumple's indignation with the tie break felt underwhelming and I don't really buy into the tie meta argument, think it's also a not the time to be ticked about it since we haven't actually seen Lisa flip yet to draw conclusion from it. It's meh.

Incorrect. The time to be indignant about recklessly ties is always. Tie meta is amazing and anyone who says otherwise is a cop who hates fun.

I was mostly questioning Otto to figure out his motivation for his vote change. From my perspective, as a person who was also voting to maintain the tie to see if anyone would try to pull some shit on it, Otto's vote stuck out as preventing that or being that. That's why it irked me.

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:37 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:29 pm I'd appreciate if you actually engaged the meat of my content rather than keep nitpicking superficial bullshit. Also like respond to my questions when I ask them. Define the "being content with gamestate", your criteria. Define "not solving, too townie".

I don't feel like you're genuinely trying to figure me out.

I don't want to make text analysis with your posts, i said i disliked the conclusion on Burns who in fact didn't exist, you being content is my feeling by the tone of your posts, and you not solving is exactly the fact you give the impression of solving but you don't try to solve the players itg.
Too townie means you play townie on purpose, knowing what and how to post to receive TRs.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:40 pm linki -

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:00 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:48 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:37 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:29 pm I'd appreciate if you actually engaged the meat of my content rather than keep nitpicking superficial bullshit. Also like respond to my questions when I ask them. Define the "being content with gamestate", your criteria. Define "not solving, too townie".

I don't feel like you're genuinely trying to figure me out.

I don't want to make text analysis with your posts, i said i disliked the conclusion on Burns who in fact didn't exist, you being content is my feeling by the tone of your posts, and you not solving is exactly the fact you give the impression of solving but you don't try to solve the players itg.
Too townie means you play townie on purpose, knowing what and how to post to receive TRs.

Then I can't help you out if you're town, I'll just keep playing my game. I've already addressed the lack of conclusion on Burns, that wasn't the nature or goal of my exercise there and if there is a conclusion you want it's that I still SR him which is known.

I've been pretty solvy if I may say so lol. Are you pretty sure about my identity?

Not 100% sure about your identity and i don't want to say it anyway. But 95% sure though.

Linki is understandable.

You answered too late at the GTH, made it useless.

Going to take a break, for real now

The Grumple wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:12 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:40 pm

The Grumple wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:18 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:56 amGrumple's indignation with the tie break felt underwhelming and I don't really buy into the tie meta argument, think it's also a not the time to be ticked about it since we haven't actually seen Lisa flip yet to draw conclusion from it. It's meh.

Incorrect. The time to be indignant about recklessly ties is always. Tie meta is amazing and anyone who says otherwise is a cop who hates fun.

I was mostly questioning Otto to figure out his motivation for his vote change. From my perspective, as a person who was also voting to maintain the tie to see if anyone would try to pull some shit on it, Otto's vote stuck out as preventing that or being that. That's why it irked me.

Fair I guess. What did you take from it hearing his reasoning and with Homer flipping civ and being the other late voter?

linki -

Well... his answers were logically consistent with the kind of person he seems to be, and makes sense from the perspective he's presented. I am content with his responses.

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:32 pm A'ight...I just got here and I don't have much time. Marge has illustrated exactly the kind of "reads" I hate most.

Marge: I have no reasoning whatsoever, but Burns and Grampa are wolves.

Someone doing work: Well, looking at this and this, Burns could be wolfing...and looking at that Grampa could be wolfing...

Marge: Okay, you are town.

She has zero information and is doing no solving, she just relies on "if you agree with me you are town, if you disagree you are a wolf." There's no progression, no development, it's just straight out clique building.

If she is wolfing it is just the easiest thing in the world to fake. Pick some random targets. Never really push them, just keep saying they are wolves and towning anyone who agrees. Pick some other random sap and call them town, again fishing for agreement. Give zero reasoning, then call anyone who disagrees a wolf and night kill the sap to show you were right all along and the "wolves" were trying to kill a townie.

Wolf Marge wants to get to endgame with me or Grampa so she can say "I have known he was a wolf all along, and at some point or other you agreed with me" so she has an easy chop for the win.

I could vote here.

Marge Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:44 pm come at me with something harder imo

"she can do this as a wolf easily" isn't great bait for villagers to follow, sir

Marge Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:50 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:48 pm Why do you think that post is extremely townie Marge? Feels like something a wolf can easily pick up on to shade or kick start a fake case, doesn't have to be necessarily w/w

When does a wolf ever use that as a crutch for a push?

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:26 am I feel like you've been going at the game one target at a time each phase. I don't think it's inherently a bad thing especially if someone is confident in their reads, but you don't give off that vibe. And it also stands in stark contrast with your earlier assessment on the state of the game.

Marge Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:02 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:59 pm I fail to see how it's got a civilian mindset behind it.

i'm not really thinking it's anything explicitly civvie-motivated rather than just...not wolf motivated.

i struggle to find a wolf faking that type of read and for what reasons. not sure if as a wolf you'd go to that length?

i mean, who would have ever thought about that type of stuff?

maybe you're right but ime I'd say that stuff is kinda hard to fake as a wolf unless it's w/w

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:26 pm krusty has been Low Energy and nitpicking weird things D3

Bart and Marge have shown up which is rad, but Marge's casing doesn't feel coherent to me

however I've only skimmed, so that could be a problem of personal comprehension and not, like, intrinsic to her behaviour

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:44 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:41 pm I can see someone being irked with the "I called it!" gloating. The agenda being you looking for TRs because of it. I read it as town tbh because it's so trolly lol

Your take of the above is a v/v interaction?

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:56 pm I've got 4 minutes to change my mind

[VOTE: Krusty the Clown] aubergine

idk man

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:01 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:59 pm [VOTE: Bart] aubergine

Sheep me people. Give me your energy

if I promise to come back for a minute in an hour or so, can you promise to blow me away with a rock-solid case

Marge Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:10 pm idk why we don't just get rid of Burns here

been pushing villagers all game, doesn't reconsider at all

progression on Gramps slimy af