The Syndicate

But yeah, I also suspect that's why 112 was killed. 112 might've been on to something.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:36 pm I think that MP is town.

I think you are scum. :3

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:41 pm And sorry Hyena, I'm going to ignore things about MP being excited/panicked at EOD1. That could just as easily be town with a big decision to make and a lot of excitement/investment into the game.

It's all good. <3

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I gotta run for a bit. I'll be back later tonight!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:42 pm I hope nobody has put in their unchangeable private votes yet. We need a consensus target for that by... IDK, maybe 6 hours before EOD?

I haven't put mine in yet, no!

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:54 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:30 pm But yeah, I also suspect that's why 112 was killed. 112 might've been on to something.
I'm going to try to say this without sounding rude, Hyena, because I really like you and your effort is commendable.

This is... low-level analysis type of conclusion at this stage in the game especially.

Just that part of my argument? Or the entire thing? If the latter...

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:15 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:12 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:53 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:30 pm Yeah, a lot of these quotes look really icky in retrospect. And lol the 112 stuff too

I'm sold. [VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine
Explain to me better what you were thinking here.
I just thought that it looked plausible that you were involved in saving MR -- the point about knowing Nanook would self-pres so you specifically chose sig to make the 4-4-4 made sense. In retrospect though I don't necessarily view your EOD behavior as having that much agenda to it though, we seemed to be in similar boats then just flailing around and spontaneously deciding to go for the tie there.

Also at the time Hyena made that case I was feeling so at sea after MR's flip that when I saw a case on my OG first suspect appear it was like a life preserver I could latch onto. At the time very few things were making sense to me and that seemed like it potentially could. The feeling faded when you returned and now I'm the captain of HMS Juliets.
Thanks, I appreciate this.

... why would you thank Nutella here for making a point similar to the main one I made? What's different in the way she laid out her points versus the way I laid out mine? Like, you didn't really seem to address the meat of why I thought you were scum -- you only addressed the minor points, like 112's suspicion of you and you coming off as panicked to me.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:40 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:18 pm Sorting people into don't want to vote and could vote today. There is not an order within groups:

Won't vote:
nutella
112
Hyena
MP7
LC
speedchuck
Jack (not on his anniversary even though I don't have a read on him)
DDL
MR
Nanook

Could vote:
Dr. Wilgy
Poison Chan - but probably not because he hasn't been here at all
sig
Tony

I have to go fix and eat dinner but before I go I'm putting a vote on sig.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:00 pm Ok I'm back and see that we've gone from a lot of little wagons to MR as the main wagon. What did he do or what came to light?

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:21 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:10 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:00 pm Ok I'm back and see that we've gone from a lot of little wagons to MR as the main wagon. What did he do or what came to light?
I made a compromise. I didn't like how fast the Sig wagon grew, and although I suspect Nanook, I don't feel confident enough to vote him yet. I'd prefer a Tony lynch, but I can settle for MR given the current alternatives.
Thanks for explaining Hyena. I admit I'm torn on sig.
She pretended to be interested in why MR was getting votes but then didn't really acknowledge it afterward and instead focused on sig.

This was her only reaction to MR's sudden demise:
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:39 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:38 pm But also wtf just happened
A day vig?
Hardly even looks surprised.

...Aaaaaand that's all we got fellas. I'm not impressed.

juliets has moved from being just the only active player I don't actively townread to being an active suspect based on MR interactions and/or lack thereof.

[VOTE: juliets] aubergine

I like this case, as it doesn't rely on, like, tone(?) for a read on Juliets, but on something Juliet has actually done in the thread that looks sketchy in hindsight.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:15 pm I always suspect Juliets. I’m right sometimes.
I don’t think it’s MP come at me Hyena.

By the way, I'm not ignoring this Tony. :P As much as I enjoy going at people, I'm actually going to decline this time.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:30 pm Can I vote for speedchuck then

Or maybe I’m too focused on the “people pushing me for bad reasons” genre

Are you talking about him suggesting that you might struggle as scum to come up with reasons to scumread town players? I remember thinking it was a bad reason, too, and correcting him on that. However, I didn't think the way he presented his reason was, like, opportunistic or scummy. Plus, he seemed to retract that opinion in a later post if I remember correctly?

Okay, got some chores to do. Will be back later to finish catching up and stuff as well as post some thoughts.

Okay, I'm finally back.

For some reason, I'm finding it hard to really get myself into this game. If it has felt like that I've been coasting, it's because I kinda have been. Seeing Radish flip red and thinking that I caught MP7 gave me a brief burst of energy, but now I'm feeling lethargic again reading everything.

Right now, I'm second guessing myself on MP7, and am giving Jack's (I think it was him) idea of lynching both Nutella and Juliets some consideration. Nanook not wanting to vote either of MP7 or Juliets kinda sketches me out. I think it sketches me out because everybody has expressed some sort of opinion on those two, plus Nutella, and given that I believe that AT LEAST one of those three are scum, it doesn't make any sense to me why we don't try to resolve them as soon as possible.

I don't believe Speedchuck is mafia, and I'm saying this as the person who corrected him when he suggested the possibility that Nanook might struggle to find reasons to scumread people as scum. I'm the one that gave evidence (i.e. Nanook and I successfully lynching a cop D1 in G8 of MU Champs last year) for why this wasn't the case. If I didn't have that evidence though, and if I hadn't played with Nanook before, I don't think I would have seen Speedchuck's post as scummy. It's the way he delivered the post (if that makes any sense) that felt towny. It didn't feel, like, accusatory in a way where Speedchuck was going to just start pushing him just for that. He kinda just brought up the possibility and left it as just that -- a possibility.

Nanook, if you believe Speedchuck is scum, do you think Nutella is with him? Do you think any of Juliets, MP7, or Juliets is with him? If not, then what kind of team are you looking at right now? Radish, Speedchuck, + 1 of the inactives?

I'm also kinda frustrated about having inactive players in the game. I don't feel like I have a complete picture of the game right now due to not knowing anything about two players who could or could not be scum. Them not posting much and giving us little to read them off of almost weakens all of my reads and feelings about others because, yes, they could potentially be scum, and not the people that I'm actively reading. Thus, I almost wonder if just killing both inactives (Sloonei and Wilgy) would be more beneficial right now then going for more active players who have given us more content to read.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:32 pm At a glace, I can't tell if I like Hyena or not. The play of 'watch them squirm and untangle the truth in the chaos' resonates with me, but ultimately comes from a selfish mindset. Not directly town or scum, but a selfish mindset does assist scum more.

I have to giggle at this if only for how accurate it is, lol. I can't help but take joy in making people squirm.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:32 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:35 pm I feel like everyone's townreading me. I don't feel like I've received any pressure from anyone today. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm attacked tonight and am dead N2.
You still feel like this?

Nah. I did receive some pressure from Nutella in between D1 and D2, but after Radish got shot, the pressure disappeared and I shot back upwards in people's reads lists since I was one of the Radish voters at the end of D1.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:26 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:18 pm I don't believe Speedchuck is mafia, and I'm saying this as the person who corrected him when he suggested the possibility that Nanook might struggle to find reasons to scumread people as scum. I'm the one that gave evidence (i.e. Nanook and I successfully lynching a cop D1 in G8 of MU Champs last year) for why this wasn't the case. If I didn't have that evidence though, and if I hadn't played with Nanook before, I don't think I would have seen Speedchuck's post as scummy. It's the way he delivered the post (if that makes any sense) that felt towny. It didn't feel, like, accusatory in a way where Speedchuck was going to just start pushing him just for that. He kinda just brought up the possibility and left it as just that -- a possibility.

Nanook, if you believe Speedchuck is scum, do you think Nutella is with him? Do you think any of Juliets, MP7, or Juliets is with him? If not, then what kind of team are you looking at right now? Radish, Speedchuck, + 1 of the inactives?
Could be nutella, yeah. Not interested in MP or Jules. Could definitely have a non entity scum. I don’t really have a read on LC, so not really ruling him out tbh.

Honestly I’m not even sure how much I think chuck is scum vs. how much I’m annoyed by him. I do think >rand but I’m not locking it. Probably should reread but I’m lazy.

Okay, okay, that's fair. But yeah, I don't think I'm ever going for Chuck today, and I don't think I want to vote for LC either right now. LC is middle-of-the-pack for me, though leaning more town than scum. I'm still mulling over the Nutella and Jules stuff.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:19 pm Jackofhearts2005 - almost mechanically confirmed as town (not 100%), mind-melding, I'm happy with resting on this townread

Dragon D. Luffy - went heavy after MR on D1, to the point that it endangered him with some people defending MR. Top town boy.

Hyena - has been playing fast and loose all game, similar to the way 112 was playing. A D1 vote on MR, campaigning for Nanook to join him. Doesn't post like he has anything to hide.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - I don't really have any reason to lynch Nanook anymore. Ironically, he's addressed most of my grievances toward his tone and action by aggressively pursuing me.

Yeah, I'd be happy calling the five of us my town core right now. I feel comfortable with everyone here.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:19 pm Dr. Wilgy - fakeslip? I wouldn't put too much credence in that, but I've got a slight townread there regardless. Posting stream-of-consciousness and still implicating scum with it is pretty townly.

He made me laugh, so I want to keep him around a little longer now.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:19 pm TonyStarkPrime - not lynching today, he's not really here and is not a top suspect, we can solve him later, townread when we left him. Note that MR voted Tony D1, an off-wagon vote.

Long Con - on second look does not look good with Master Radishes in his own interactions. ISO him and look for 'radish' and 'MR'. I townread LC otherwise, but he's recently proved how slippery he can be. I remember MR did some weird stuff on his side of the reaction, townreading LC while keeping options open. But was he keeping options open to push LC or bus LC?

I haven't gone back and reevaluated either Tony or LC in a while, but I do recall having LC above Tony. Though yeah, these are middle-of-the-pack people for me, too. Radish voting Tony is what's making me hesitant to continue going after him right now. I'll probably do more work to sort these two tomorrow if I'm alive.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:19 pm juliets - has been gut pinging me all game, and her MR interactions don't look good. That hasn't really progressed any since nutella first made the case. I don't feel really strong about it, but it's not a bad case.

MPlus7 - As I said in a post a bit ago, he's voting based on who he trusts and on saving nutella. Not on scumreads, and not even based on a POE of townreads. It's not hunting, whatever it is. Plus there was the sig lynch mess... and yeah, I still have a scumread here. Don't care what the post count is.

nutella - I'm not going to say anything here that hasn't been said. Nutella's interactions with nanook look like pocketing, with MP look like performance, and her reaction to the Jack confirm / MR kill are less than inspiring. Her reads don't follow any conventional nutella meta, much as she likes to explain that away, and I didn't like the way she recently backed off nutella and decided that suddenly she could be wrong about everything after she's been right about everything for 20 hours since MR's death. She is posting a lot though, and if she has an agenda it's not a very good one. I tinfoil on this.

I'm still going back and forth on Jules and Nute, though now, I'm leaning towards wanting Nute dead over Jules. Someone mentioned something about how she has had a lot of scumreads and pushes that ended up not panning out for her, and it made me remember Nute saying that she wasn't that great at scum. I dunno why that thought kinda stuck so suddenly in my head, but it's there now. I'll probably think this over some more though.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:39 pm Regardless of if you accept the derp clear or not, sloonei is a better secret vote given that wilgy is at least playing now.

I second this. Picking between Sloonei and Wilgy, I always go with Sloonei to kill right now. With that said, I'm still unsure whether I want to go for either of them right now.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:43 pm Consider if Sloonei is the type of player to watch teammate Radish get blasted and teammate Nutella or MP get hanged up on and then replace out after a few posts.

I don’t think he is. A Nutella/Sloonei lynch is similar to a Nutella/Juliets lynch. It’s unlikely to catch two wolves. More likely to catch one even if we’re wrong on our main suspect.

I do think Sloonei is more likely a wolf than Juliets if Nutella is town so there’s that.

Hmm. I'll have to make a note of this.

Alright, here's how I'm feeling right now. There's enough resistance against MP7's wagon that I still seriously think he's scum, but there's enough suspicion on him now where if I died tonight, I don't think I'd be too worried about people letting him slip by a couple more days. I think I'm okay with going somewhere in {Nutella, Jules, Sloonei}. Initially, I thought we'd have a better chance at hitting (at least) one wolf by going for Nutella+Jules, but Jack, who I'm strongly townreading is suggesting Nutella+Sloonei is more likely to hit a wold than the former.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:52 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:43 pm
I do think Sloonei is more likely a wolf than Juliets if Nutella is town so there’s that.
How so??

Generally I am thinking it's less and less likely that Sloonei is scum here. Especially from his latest post. I don't think he would just resign like that as scum after MR's death, unless his teammate is really deep.

This is another reason why I'm hesitant to go for Sloonei. I feel like I got a peek into their soul in that post and saw towniness.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:46 pm Here's where I'm at

Long Con
Master Radishes
112
Hyena
juliets
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
sig
Jackofhearts2005
speedchuck
Poison Chan
Dragon D. Luffy
DrWilgy
TonyStarkPrime
M Plus 7

Damn I forgot Wilgy was even in the game, lol. Also had a hard time placing Jack as he hasn't said much of substance yet. Keeping an eye out for him.

[VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine I feel more secure in this than in a Tony vote atm.
Hey, you beat me to it, lol.

I'll support you and Speed here.

[VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine

Meh. I'd have to read Nutella's progression on MP7 again, but this makes me second guess myself.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:42 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:40 pm Also, I'm getting the vibe that Speedchuck and Nutella are NOT mafia together in spite of both of them being against going for lurkers. If Poison, or their slot, ever flip mafia though, I'd feel inclined to call one of them scum.
Nutella and MR are also probably not together. I'm basing that read on the MR post to Nutella asking the rhetorical question about odds and math.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:45 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:28 pm I've never seen a Speedchuck this active. I like it.
Hmm. Does MR ever post this if Speedchuck is their partner?

Right now, I want to say that there is never more than one scum inside {Speedchuck, MR, Nutella}. This is a group I think I can ride with for now.

I forgot I made this read, too. It still makes sense in my head, and since Radish flipped scum, I kinda want to call Nutella town now?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:01 pm 2:50 left. We need to start consolidating. I've outlined who my favorites for the lynch are, and I'm leaning toward nutella between the three. If we actively use the secret vote on a public figure, I have to figure out who to NOT lynch, which is actually harder.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

linki: hrm

I think Nutella is town, but I think I'd be okay with voting them if we also get rid of Jules. I don't think I want to go with Jack's suggestion of Sloonei anymore.

Yes, I know. I'm waffling again.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:10 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:05 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:01 pm 2:50 left. We need to start consolidating. I've outlined who my favorites for the lynch are, and I'm leaning toward nutella between the three. If we actively use the secret vote on a public figure, I have to figure out who to NOT lynch, which is actually harder.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

linki: hrm
I think Nutella is town, but I think I'd be okay with voting them if we also get rid of Jules. I don't think I want to go with Jack's suggestion of Sloonei anymore.
What sense does it make to vote nutella if you think she's town?

Because I believe there's a wolf between you two, but I'm not sure which. Thus, I don't know if I feel comfortable going for just one of you today.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:04 am This post is mainly for reference (mine if no one else’s):

With just a few minutes left, MP7 & Nute created a 4/4/4 split:

MR – DDL, speed, Hyena, Nook
Nook – LC, sig, 112, nutella
Sig – juliets, TSP, Jack, MP7

(To the best of my knowledge those votes are in chronological order too.)

Wait a sec. I forgot about Nook's wagon. Sig and 112 flipped town. If Nook is town, then at least one of Nute and LC are probably scum. Unless, somehow the wagon is pure?

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:18 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:04 am This post is mainly for reference (mine if no one else’s):

With just a few minutes left, MP7 & Nute created a 4/4/4 split:

MR – DDL, speed, Hyena, Nook
Nook – LC, sig, 112, nutella
Sig – juliets, TSP, Jack, MP7

(To the best of my knowledge those votes are in chronological order too.)
Wait a sec. I forgot about Nook's wagon. Sig and 112 flipped town. If Nook is town, then at least one of Nute and LC are probably scum. Unless, somehow the wagon is pure?

I can't remember. Has anyone looked back to see how MP7 and Jules have interacted?

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:39 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:59 am Voting MP7 cuz who knows when the next chance to do that will be

[VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine
DDL, I don't understand this vote. Is there any further explanation?

Wasn't this vote from DDL an early D1 vote?

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:56 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:26 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:36 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:52 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:57 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:55 am This is also your first game in awhile, I believe, and I'm the player you know best. In fact, I suspect you're not overly familiar with anyone else except to some extent Hyena and Nutella. So I wasn't surprised that you zeroed in on me (/us) immediately and ignored other players.
What if I'm not actually suspecting you, am mafia, and just FoSed you in order to score townpoints? You're just assuming I'm town, which is exactly what I want in the proverbial world where I'm scum.
Oh my god this is amazing, I am on this.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine
This is probably the best point against MR.

@Master Radishes what do you have to say about this? Were you assuming 112 is town, and if so do you have good reason for that?
This argument is always always flawed. Yes, scum does it, but town does most of the time too. Paranoia is a good town tell, but the lack of it post by post isn’t a good scum tell.
Tony, I have read this like five times and I'm too dense to understand it. What is the "it" that scum does and town does most of the time too?

This is the second instance that has Jules responding to a post that either has a vote in it or has quoted a vote in it. Radish, as we know, flipped mafia.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:08 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:36 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:27 pm Ok this sounds more like the civ MPlus7 I remember.
What about it specifically?
You came out firing questions off, trying to pin people down for their opinions and takes.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:22 pm @M Plus 7, I'm not following your read on 112 and nutella. Did you think that interaction between them was distancing? What about it made you think that as opposed to just a normal interaction (assuming that's what you thought). I'm not reading either of them as scum right now so whatever you're seeing I'd like to know.

@Hyena I see your vote for 112 but I think you have talked about why you find her scummy so I'll go back to your posts.

Ehhhh... okay, maybe not. I dunno anymore.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:27 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:18 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:04 am This post is mainly for reference (mine if no one else’s):

With just a few minutes left, MP7 & Nute created a 4/4/4 split:

MR – DDL, speed, Hyena, Nook
Nook – LC, sig, 112, nutella
Sig – juliets, TSP, Jack, MP7

(To the best of my knowledge those votes are in chronological order too.)
Wait a sec. I forgot about Nook's wagon. Sig and 112 flipped town. If Nook is town, then at least one of Nute and LC are probably scum. Unless, somehow the wagon is pure?
I think the wagon is pure. Why do you think it can't be?

Actually, I don't know why it couldn't be. Radish was on an off wagon. Radish was the leading wagon. If there are three mafia, both other mafia might have been forced to go for Sig knowing Nanook would self-prez. Thus, maybe it's more likely than I think.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:29 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:27 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:18 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:04 am This post is mainly for reference (mine if no one else’s):

With just a few minutes left, MP7 & Nute created a 4/4/4 split:

MR – DDL, speed, Hyena, Nook
Nook – LC, sig, 112, nutella
Sig – juliets, TSP, Jack, MP7

(To the best of my knowledge those votes are in chronological order too.)
Wait a sec. I forgot about Nook's wagon. Sig and 112 flipped town. If Nook is town, then at least one of Nute and LC are probably scum. Unless, somehow the wagon is pure?
I think the wagon is pure. Why do you think it can't be?
If it is, and the MR wagon is also pure, then EVERY SINGLE ACTIVE SCUM (minus MR) jumped on sig. Do you think that likely? (I've actually realized a possible answer but want to see your response)

Oops. Too late. :<

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:26 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:24 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:56 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:26 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:36 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:52 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:57 am

What if I'm not actually suspecting you, am mafia, and just FoSed you in order to score townpoints? You're just assuming I'm town, which is exactly what I want in the proverbial world where I'm scum.
Oh my god this is amazing, I am on this.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine
This is probably the best point against MR.

@Master Radishes what do you have to say about this? Were you assuming 112 is town, and if so do you have good reason for that?
This argument is always always flawed. Yes, scum does it, but town does most of the time too. Paranoia is a good town tell, but the lack of it post by post isn’t a good scum tell.
Tony, I have read this like five times and I'm too dense to understand it. What is the "it" that scum does and town does most of the time too?
This is the second instance that has Jules responding to a post that either has a vote in it or has quoted a vote in it. Radish, as we know, flipped mafia.
Can you explain that thought again? I don't know what you're talking about.

I thought that maybe, if you were scum with Radish and MP7, you were only responding to votes that were on your teammates, and no other votes.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:32 pm hyena you butt, you ruined it

I know, lol. Your question beat my answer. Sorry about that. Glad we're on the same page, at least.

Alright, we're about an hour out from end of day and I still need to submit a secret vote. Are we still agreeing to someone for that, or are we all doing our own thing?

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:53 pm Alright, we're about an hour out from end of day and I still need to submit a secret vote. Are we still agreeing to someone for that, or are we all doing our own thing?

I keep coming back to wanting to flip both Jules and Nute (sorry, you two ;-;). I believe there's a wolf in those two, and in the event that I'm wrong, it would be nice knowing that we're not on the right track.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:57 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:53 pm Alright, we're about an hour out from end of day and I still need to submit a secret vote. Are we still agreeing to someone for that, or are we all doing our own thing?
Close to two hours actually.

Oh, I just assumed we were ending the day at 10pm EST again, lol. Fair enough.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:58 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:53 pm Alright, we're about an hour out from end of day and I still need to submit a secret vote. Are we still agreeing to someone for that, or are we all doing our own thing?
I think it would be less likely to be manipulated by scum if everyone or most people agree.

That's fair.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:58 pm I am still okay with going for Sloonei with the secret vote even if doesn't feel as ideal as it did before. Probably still the optimal choice

Ehhhh. I'm not really feeling it right now, honestly. If one of you or Juliets flips town and the other doesn't flip at all, I'm always going to suspect the other until they flip. I'd rather just get it over with and resolve you two now rather than later.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:10 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:06 pm A last minute vote to cause a 4 way tie while I’m online was functionally a vote for Sig.
I don't think I fully processed at the time that you would move your vote to self-pres / I wasn't paying attention to where your vote was and that it would break the tie. It all happened really fast and I thought someone else like Hyena would be the deciding vote after MP and I made the tie.

Nah, I was never moving. :P As I've said, I thought Sig's wagon grew too fast to be scum, and I didn't want to vote Nanook.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:13 pm Let's look at Juliets, MP, and nutella from a practical perspective. If we were to lynch two of them, which would give us the best path forward?

The worst case scenario would be two town flips, right? Which two town flips do you think would give us the most information?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:17 pm I already privately voted MP.

Now we have to lynch him and Nutella.
Spoiler: show

lol

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:20 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:20 pm If Jack really did already send a vote for MP, I support MP being the secret vote and for the public poll forming competing wagons on juliets and myself.
Let's do it. Anyone else in for this?

I'm up for this.

Alright, I'm sending in my secret vote right now.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:24 pm Honestly juliets so openly townreading me does actually give me some pause.

Maybe speed should be one of the competing wagons too goddammit.

What?

Alright, my secret vote is in.

Now for my actual vote.

[VOTE: Juliets] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:30 pm MP's not even here sigh

I hope he shows up for the last hour and joins me on juliets lol, if he stays on speed that would be p spicy imo... hmm

If you somehow cause a wagon on Speed to gain traction, I will move my vote to you, Nute. Don't even think about it, lol.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:36 pm Lol MP has 100 more posts than me and also I didn't actually vote for him secretly yet.

You do realize we can't change our secret votes, right? :P

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:44 pm Are we still sure we are voting MP by secret vote?

Yes, I already placed my vote there. I don't want it to go to waste!

Speedchuck
Jack
Nanook

Dragon D Luffy
Dr. Wilgy

M Plus 7

Juliets
Tony
Long Con

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Summary of changes:

1.) Moved DDL to town leans, instead of strong town. Although I still think he's town, my read on him is not as strong as the ones I've got on Speed, Jack, and Nanook.

2.) Put MP7-ver2.0 into null, because a.) I was wrong on him the first time, and b.) he hasn't done much since replacing back in. I'll try to sort him again during D3.

3.) Moved Tony and Long Con to scum leans with Juliets. Just PoE at this point.

I'm actually surprised people are going for option #1. I find myself leaning towards option #2 myself if only because I don't like the idea of each team of two sharing one vote. But yeah, that's where I'm voting.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:40 pm I'm paired with DDL, which is convenient since we already had our chat

Oh whoops did I say the quiet part loud?

Are you guys masons? Or is it a neighborhood? Or are you just mafia buddies? :P

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:43 pm All of the above

Okay, cool. How did conversations go during EoD1 when I bargained with you to join the Radish wagon? :P

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