The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:39 pm I could swap to Benson if nobody is gonna help strong up 112.

Yeah, I'm not feeling up for helping wagon 112.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:39 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:38 pm I really like the TSP wagon and currently plan to stay on it.

By which I mean who is on it.

Sorry for leaving it. ;-;

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:41 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:22 pm Why are you guys voting epi what in the hot shit

I doubt they'll all stay. They don't have the balls.

Wanna bet? :3

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:42 pm [VOTE: drago] aubergine

don't want epi lynched

Do you think someone else would've hopped on the Epi wagon? We would've needed two more people to take the lead over Drago.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:44 pm An Epi wagon and all of a sudden bitches wanna consolidate. Figures.

Don't worry, I'm taking note of it, lol.

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:46 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:45 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:42 pm [VOTE: drago] aubergine

don't want epi lynched

Do you think someone else would've hopped on the Epi wagon? We would've needed two more people to take the lead over Drago.

idk

i just think epi is likely a v

Okay. I'll reserve my judgment for now.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:48 pm fuck is Day over

It's about to be in 12 minutes. :P

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:49 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:47 pm i mean i still want drago dead today so whatever

Then why are you making 112 more viable by closing in on Drago's wagon?

Because having a second viable wagon pressures people to vote for one or the other to make sure the one they wanted out is lynched.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:51 pm can someone please tell me wtf epi did

I caused fun to happen.

lol, cool >:D

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:54 pm Whoa, that got way more interesting, I thought I was the 6th vote on 112, now it's 8 - 8!

yes, thank you for that

I'm leaning towards voting Drago at the moment, btw.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:57 pm yea idk the dragomir wagon looks sketchier, so says my heart

Whaaaat? The dragomir wagon looks hype right now compared to the 112 wagon.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:57 pm I don't wanna play with drago but idk if he's scum

epi doesn't deserve to be lynched

I think i'm going with 112

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

lol
[VOTE: Drago] aubergine

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:59 pm Hyena stop making it tied right before eod

ok

I can't dream if I can't sleep!

I expect to be back in bed shortly though, so I probably won't address everything right this second.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:06 pm I have the votes from 4 pm till EOD at 6 listed by time of who voted who if you guys want me to post it.

If it's possible, can you give me the votes each time you saw them tied? My one big regret at EoD was not taking screenshots of who was on the tied wagons and all the movements between.

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:06 pm elephant dfaraday creature boo all didn't vote on drago

2 of them voted on 112

Eh, none of that matters right now. All the info we forced out at EoD yesterday (e.g. wagon movements when votes were tied, inactivity, etc.) will be more useful once we've got a better idea about 112's alignment, because do you know who else didn't vote Dragomir? 112. I don't believe for a second that 112 being the counterwagon clears them.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:07 pm So vanity was an earlier Drago vote, briefly left it, then eventually was the one to break the tie with Epi. He's probably just town here.

Hyena looks quite good with the switch to Drago at the end imo.

juliets joined the drago wagon at its first peak; if she's his teammate she could have seen the high tally at that time and figured he was going down, and then later when it got convoluted again she avoided getting involved. But she could also be town. Inconclusive imo but certainly not a net positive for her.

Benson, iaafr, and pawn look generally okay but certainly not cleared from this. I'm trying to figure out who looks too clean and it's hard to tell. Maybe vanity.

Tony's last minute vote looks like it could have been a desperate attempt to save drago if he hadn't noticed that there was a bigger gap by then and it wouldn't matter. But that might be stretching it, no reason to assume he's scum here.

Not mentioned in my tally are earlier votes for 112 from Creature, Elephant, Epi, and Jack; I found their vote tags in their post history from various times before the point from which I started the count, and they all appeared to have stayed there throughout eod. See ** above, maybe I missed something there. Further inquiry into the circumstances of their votes and lack of changing thereof may be warranted.

I really like the Juliets analysis. For me, Vanity, Benson, iaafr, and Pawn, how would your thoughts change if later down the line 112 flips mafia?

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:07 pm

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:05 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:03 pm Oh shit are we split up into separate threads now? Ok

RIP Tony, uhhh looks like Texas was something secret

Have some analysis I typed up over the night phase, will paste it over shortly

oh we are? lame

looks like 7 of us voted on drago

Yes, and high fives to those who voted for him.

Do you believe that everyone that voted for him is town?

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:11 pm

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:10 pm Question do we only vote between ourselfs and the other group themselves?

never had split threads before

given the poll looks like we vote amongst the group

something tells me this will be SPICY

Benson wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:12 pm Whoa I just realized we're in a separate grouping. Spicy.

Vanity and Benson are spicy mafia bros.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:57 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:40 am

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:06 pm I have the votes from 4 pm till EOD at 6 listed by time of who voted who if you guys want me to post it.

If it's possible, can you give me the votes each time you saw them tied? My one big regret at EoD was not taking screenshots of who was on the tied wagons and all the movements between.

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:06 pm elephant dfaraday creature boo all didn't vote on drago

2 of them voted on 112

Eh, none of that matters right now. All the info we forced out at EoD yesterday (e.g. wagon movements when votes were tied, inactivity, etc.) will be more useful once we've got a better idea about 112's alignment, because do you know who else didn't vote Dragomir? 112. I don't believe for a second that 112 being the counterwagon clears them.

Hyena, unfortunately I didn't mark each time I saw them tied but I did go through it vote by vote and saw when they didn't tie you changed your vote to bring it back to a tie. I'll go ahead and publish the list in my next post and then try to go through today a little later and mark where it was tied. I did use a screen shot Epi did that showed when they were at 5 and 7 and that is noted in the time line.

Okay, that's fine. Also, for the times where I tied the vote, I'd be interested in seeing each vote that untied the wagon if that's not too difficult. If it is, no worries. Please and thank you. <3

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:15 pm focus on us within the group

Nah. Although we are going to be lynching within the group, I don't think we need to narrow our focus to just us. People here giving thoughts about D1 and about people not in our group can help us form reads on people. :P

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:43 pm Hyena - I don't understand why he was so hell bent on getting a tie. In our games town generally doesn't want a tie. I need to ISO him because I don't have much of a read on him or rather it feels like he was just jumping around a lot like iaafr (maybe not that bad).

I can explain this.

In games town generally doesn't want a tie.
In the general and ideal case, yes, town shouldn't want to tie. They should want to make sure the person who they want lynched gets lynched. They should want control of the votes. What else is true though is that scum shouldn't want to tie either IF ONE OF THE TIED WAGONS is there partner. However, if the wagons are lopsided and heavily leaning towards their partner getting lynched, they are generally going to try to avoid voting anywhere else. Otherwise, they look suspicious, right?

However, if the wagons are tied or close in numbers, they are more likely to jump between wagons and to try to save their partner. Or they may stay put on a wagon and not want to get involved in the chaos. Either way, things are way more interesting when there's heavy competition between two wagons than they are when people are nearly unanimously voting someone. :P

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:15 am @Hyena, I think there's a strong possibility that someone, maybe more, bussed Drago. The problem I'm having in figuring out who is that it would have been easy to vote 112 or Eva or TSP to avoid Drago getting dunked, especially 112. Of course 112 could also be bad and maybe had a more important power so I have to think about that too.

Yes, it would have been VERY easy to vote 112 or one of the others, which was why I was trying to tie the wagons when I could. I wanted to say who, if anyone, would make that attempt to save Drago. :3

Granted, the other issue is that we don't know if 112 is town or not, and if 112 mafia, then all those changes in votes don't matter nearly as much as they would if 112 was town.

Okay, I should probably try getting back to sleep. I'll be back later. <3

Bleh. My WIM and ability to focus is pretty low at the moment, but I'm gonna try to contribute as much as I can right now.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:49 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:10 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:09 pm I still believe 112 was mafia as well.

Drago went after them very early in the game. Would he do that to a new teammate he's unfamiliar with?

lol, I remember this interaction and I remember thinking it was "over the top" enough that it could have been a w/w interaction based on the model I have in my head of Eva's playstyle. In this case, I think it would've been an attempt to distance from Dragomir. She also explicitly said that even though she didn't like Dragomir, she didn't want to lynch him yesterday, which was why had her vote on 112.

Interestingly enough, 112's vote was ON Evenstar, so they were both voting each other EoD.

boo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:08 pm My biggest suspect within our group is Hyena (and, happily enough, in general). The drive to force a tie (s)he, sorry, don't know most of you in this game yet engaged in struck me as wrong at the time, going so far as to ask me after I put the no lynch vote down to flip it to help cause a tie.

So, I gave an explanation earlier for why I was trying to tie the wagons as much as possible at EoD. I don't think we would've gathered much information if the wagons remained uneven before, like, the last moment. People were changing their votes between Dragomir and 112 until the very last moment, but there wouldn't have been a need to if one wagon remained greater than the other.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:06 am

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:16 pm Sorry for inactivity birthday stuff got right out of hand last two days and called into work currently there.

Seems as if right now Everstar is the top wagon I not her who else would people vote for daycare had two lynchs as an example.

Has hyena done anything amazingly still not town reading him but havn't read up since my last post so if he did something towny I there let me know and I'll look otherwise will tonight after work.

TL, this sentence is one I don't understand. What does it mean? Daycare?

Did anyone come up with something towny about Hyena for you? Your suspicion on Hyena seems to be based off a comparison to a game where he was bad and one where he was good. It's pretty vague, can you show us something more specific?

So, I had a theory about TL and his suspicion towards me, and I don't remember if I posted it or not on D1, but I think he's trying to catch a scum hyena to make up for not getting me lynched in the game he's talking about, since he was reeeally close to getting me lynched. Plus, I got him lynched while he was AFK during an EoD.

I'm annoyed by Creature's defeatist attitude, but I like that they brought up Evenstar's interaction with Dragomir with that meme pic. So, like, I think I'm okay with him for now.

Elephant is still cool in my book as well as Benson.

I can't put my finger on to why, but at EoD1 and coming into D2, I was getting the vibe that Vanity and Nutella are somehow linked together, but not necessarily as scum partners. If they ended up being mason partners (or even scum partners), I wouldn't be surprised.

Everyone else, except for maybe Juliets, is null or worse.

boo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:01 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:47 pm

boo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:08 pm My biggest suspect within our group is Hyena (and, happily enough, in general). The drive to force a tie (s)he, sorry, don't know most of you in this game yet engaged in struck me as wrong at the time, going so far as to ask me after I put the no lynch vote down to flip it to help cause a tie.

So, I gave an explanation earlier for why I was trying to tie the wagons as much as possible at EoD. I don't think we would've gathered much information if the wagons remained uneven before, like, the last moment. People were changing their votes between Dragomir and 112 until the very last moment, but there wouldn't have been a need to if one wagon remained greater than the other.

I saw that. I just don't buy it. How does asking me after I had just said I had no thoughts on things because I hadn't read up-to-date to try and help force a tie help give any helpful information, other than using my either doing so or not as a future reason to suspect me?

It doesn't give me any helpful information on you. At that moment, I just saw you as a potential second vote for myself, not really as a player. In retrospect, your vote wasn't needed, but eh, who knows? It might've made some people move their votes around more, or even better, it might've led to people accusing you or me of being scum, which in turn would've led to more interesting interactions.

[mention]Trustworthy Liberal[/mention]
If you want to talk to me, just post what you want me to address and leave a mention. :P

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:59 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:47 pm

boo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:08 pm My biggest suspect within our group is Hyena (and, happily enough, in general). The drive to force a tie (s)he, sorry, don't know most of you in this game yet engaged in struck me as wrong at the time, going so far as to ask me after I put the no lynch vote down to flip it to help cause a tie.

So, I gave an explanation earlier for why I was trying to tie the wagons as much as possible at EoD. I don't think we would've gathered much information if the wagons remained uneven before, like, the last moment. People were changing their votes between Dragomir and 112 until the very last moment, but there wouldn't have been a need to if one wagon remained greater than the other.

What exactly is the information we gathered, please?

Well, for one, Evenstar came back to the thread about 10 minutes before EoD (5:48pm specifically) after being gone for a couple hours, and she expressed over the top panic not only about the day almost being over, but also about Epi being wagoned. At that moment (you can double check using the vote info juliets posted this morning), Epi had four votes [iiafr, Mac, nova, and me]. Also at this moment, according to Juliet's timeline, 112 had four votes, too, before iaafr switched from Epi to 112 and putting 112 at 5 votes.

(Actually going back to look at it now, there had to be five votes before iaafr joined because 112 ended up with 7 votes, and only Nova and Eva joined and stayed on 112 after this time point. By the looks of it, these five people were [Creature, Tony, Elephant, Epi, and Jack]. This actually strengthens my case.)

Anyway, at that moment, the votes seemed to be 112 at 5 votes, Drago at 7 votes, and Epi at 4 votes. While you could believe that Eva genuinely came back at that moment and genuinely was frustrated with the Epi voters, she ended up not trying to go after the Epi voters. Instead, she ended up voting for 112 while also adding that she wasn't sure if Drago was scum or not. I have a suspicion that she returned that late in the day to try to bolster 112's wagon with her own vote to try to save 112. She placed her vote at 5:57pm, right near day end.

That was just ONE thing I noticed.

Also, thank you for posting all these votes for us. It really was useful while making my last post. <3

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:56 pm Also, thank you for posting all these votes for us. It really was useful while making my last post. <3

[mention]juliets[/mention]

Benson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:43 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:48 pm So you guys as I'm going through these votes I see people changing votes like every 5 to 10 minutes for a period of time. I don't understand what they are doing. They are not pressure votes because there's not time for the person they voted for to even see it. In some cases others vote right after them and then they change and the other(s) follow. It seems scummy to me but a lot of the people from MU and the champs spec chat are doing it so there's got to be some point here - what is it?

I personally like to do that because I think quickly building up wagons can often yield telling responses. In my experience villagers are much less tentative and will be able to vote at their pleasure without the extra burden of trying to satisfy their wolf-agenda. Having the wagons build up so fast applies pressure and makes it a lot harder on the wolves as they have to simultaneously evaluate where and when they should vote to a) avoid future suspicion, and b) prevent their teammates from dying.

^ Pretty much this.

Benson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:59 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:55 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:59 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:47 pm

boo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:08 pm My biggest suspect within our group is Hyena (and, happily enough, in general). The drive to force a tie (s)he, sorry, don't know most of you in this game yet engaged in struck me as wrong at the time, going so far as to ask me after I put the no lynch vote down to flip it to help cause a tie.

So, I gave an explanation earlier for why I was trying to tie the wagons as much as possible at EoD. I don't think we would've gathered much information if the wagons remained uneven before, like, the last moment. People were changing their votes between Dragomir and 112 until the very last moment, but there wouldn't have been a need to if one wagon remained greater than the other.

What exactly is the information we gathered, please?

Well, for one, Evenstar came back to the thread about 10 minutes before EoD (5:48pm specifically) after being gone for a couple hours, and she expressed over the top panic not only about the day almost being over, but also about Epi being wagoned. At that moment (you can double check using the vote info juliets posted this morning), Epi had four votes [iiafr, Mac, nova, and me]. Also at this moment, according to Juliet's timeline, 112 had four votes, too, before iaafr switched from Epi to 112 and putting 112 at 5 votes.

(Actually going back to look at it now, there had to be five votes before iaafr joined because 112 ended up with 7 votes, and only Nova and Eva joined and stayed on 112 after this time point. By the looks of it, these five people were [Creature, Tony, Elephant, Epi, and Jack]. This actually strengthens my case.)

Anyway, at that moment, the votes seemed to be 112 at 5 votes, Drago at 7 votes, and Epi at 4 votes. While you could believe that Eva genuinely came back at that moment and genuinely was frustrated with the Epi voters, she ended up not trying to go after the Epi voters. Instead, she ended up voting for 112 while also adding that she wasn't sure if Drago was scum or not. I have a suspicion that she returned that late in the day to try to bolster 112's wagon with her own vote to try to save 112. She placed her vote at 5:57pm, right near day end.

That was just ONE thing I noticed.

You mean Drago here, right? Or Epi?

Yeah, Eva definitely lost a lot of her town equity after that EoD performance.

DRAGO

Thank you for catching that error. >.<

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:01 pm Also, when you are analyzing votes at EoD... I always cast the vote in the poll before going to post about it, when the time was so short. Any vote I declared in the thread was preceded by the actual vote a minute or two earlier. I doubt that affects the analysis, but there ya go.

The only time it would matter is if you or someone else switched their vote a couple times without announcing each change in the thread. I think this may have happened at one point, because I remember one of the wagons making a sudden jump upwards and it didn't seem to match the announced votes in the thread. Either way, in this case, I don't think it matters.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:00 am

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:43 pmDFaraday - He's not around. I don't like that at this point of the game. Lean scum, seems like he's done this before as scum.

I mean, I've done this in basically every game for like five years, so...

I feel pretty good about Creature, mainly because the only other experience I have with him was when he was in my Arrowverse game, where he was scum, and he played completely differently to what I'm seeing here.

I like LC's case on TrustworthyLiberal, whose responses weren't super convincing to me. I haven't even tried to catch up on the 70 pages or so since I last checked in, so I don't have a lot of reads atm, but so far I guess I'm leaning towards lynching TL.

I want you to make more noise.

[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:10 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:07 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:01 pm Also, when you are analyzing votes at EoD... I always cast the vote in the poll before going to post about it, when the time was so short. Any vote I declared in the thread was preceded by the actual vote a minute or two earlier. I doubt that affects the analysis, but there ya go.

The only time it would matter is if you or someone else switched their vote a couple times without announcing each change in the thread. I think this may have happened at one point, because I remember one of the wagons making a sudden jump upwards and it didn't seem to match the announced votes in the thread. Either way, in this case, I don't think it matters.

Yeah... I do remember being surprised by the vote totals right at the end, mostly because you and I were doing the exact same thing... I'm sure we both saw the 8-8 tie at like thirty seconds left, voted, and then came back to see 10-7 or something.

YUP. That's the moment I was talking about. I wish I had taken a screenshot at that moment to see what had happened, but I was too busy trying to unvote to keep the wagons semi-even.

Also, I think TLib unintentionally townslipped earlier. I don't want to point it explicitly out right now though, but if you go looking through his D2 posts, you might see it, too. Take it with a grain of salt though.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:27 pm And what if he doesn't? You guys planning on leaving your votes there until the end of the day?

I haven't made up my mind yet.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:19 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:17 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:21 am @Long Con as it pertains to TL's reasons for voting Drago, I didn't see anything wrong with those reasons. Were your reasons better? What were they?

I generally suspected him more than 112. He was preoccupied with trying to shape a case around 112 saying he was going to roleplay, even though I don't think 112 ever really did it. His "mindmeld buddies" comment on the Mac TMI thing was cringey as well... what did I say before, like a slick salesman or something?

It was also easy to want to vote for him due to his crap with Evenstar, which I didn't like. I don't know if that was alignment-indicative, but it sure made the vote easier.

Thanks LC, yeah I also felt like he was determined to prove that 112 was coming from a scummy place by trying to set herself up for a "town claim". His persistence in that gives 112 some town points in my mind. I don't really think the Eva stuff was AI, other than the possibility he was trying to appear light-hearted thus towny. Didn't come off that way though.

I've never seen Drago be like that before... his flip makes me think it could be some awkward distancing between them, especially when she didn't vote for him.

WAIT. So that WASN'T normal Drago behaviour? Because I mentioned the possibility that that whole thing between Drago and Eva could have been performed to put distance between themselves.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:03 am Hyena, reading your ISO now. Can you remember why you decided to pressure Epi with a vote if you hadn't read his ISO?

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:40 pm Wait, my vote is bad. I didn't actually read Epignosis's ISO, and I actually like their process of finding 112 civ.

So, like
[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

Yeah, I remember seeing someone mention something bad about Epi, so I figured I'd at the very least poke at him to see if I can form an opinion on them from it. I don't think I realized at the time that his ISO was pretty short and easy to get through.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:30 am @Hyena forget my question about your Epi vote, I just found the answer in your ISO. You said others were scum reading him so you wanted to get him to engage with you and test other's reactions. I just didn't remember him being scum read on Day 0 (your vote was first thing after Day 1 started).

Oh, lol, too late.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:42 am Hyena, this interaction caught my eye:

Vanity: you might've picked up on it, but if hyena and evenstar perceive their town games to be similar, and they're not finding each other, it's making me think something is there.

Hyena: no comment yet

Can you comment on this yet?

Oh! Yeah, I can. At that moment, if I remember correctly, I was kinda pushing Eva. However, I wasn't actually scumreading her at that time. At the same time, I didn't want her to know that, or else she wouldn't take my push on her seriously. Thus, when Vanity said he's surprised that Eva and I haven't found each other yet, I didn't want to tell him (or let on) that I wasn't actually scumreading Eva and was just trying to evaluate her, because then Eva would see it and might change her behaviour.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:42 am Also the following:

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:06 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:05 pm oh yea tl is probably scum

let's go

[VOTE: trustworthy liberal] aubergine

What if I told you TL was town? :P

Hyena, have you said everything there is to say about TL being town? I know you think he town slipped but that was after you made this comment I think.

Okay, so, me asking this to Iaafr actually had nothing to do with me D2 saying that TLib possibly townslipped. My question was intended to provoke Iaafr.

As for the townslip, I can bring it up if you guys really want to. I think I saw Benson expressing some doubt about me townreading TL, too, while going through my mentions. Let me know if you want me to.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:42 am Finally, the one thing I really didn't like in your ISO and again this could be a culture thing was you asking boo to vote for 112 to tie it up. I'm torn whether to call it scummy or chalk it up to differences in mafia playing methods and culture.

Oh, I wanted to address this, because it feels like most of the conflicts I'm having with Syndicate players are coming down to differences in culture and playstyles. Part of me wants to continue to try to convince you guys that, yes, this is me being towny and that it's probably just playstyle/culture differences, but at the same time, I can't think of a reason why you should trust me when I say all that, because I can easily be saying that as a wolf, right?

Thus, I have kinda avoided confronting Epi, Dom, boo, and others about it and have been hoping to find another way to show them I'm town. I don't think their suspicions of me are scummy at all, and are in fact what I'm used to experiencing when playing with people I haven't played with before.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:44 pm I don't usually have the term "mindmeld" in my lexicon, but that's twice for us now I guess.

Also, your pic is more handsome and charming than I would have imagined a hyena could look.

Hyenas are more photogenic than people think!

boo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:28 am DF is being DF. Getting a post or two each phase from him is typical. In the past, I've always been fine with lynching him for it (and often argued for it), because either he gets lynched early for it, or he skates to the end of the game after people bring it up and it largely gets ignored. If the lynch goes in his direction today, I'd be fine with that. But it's only ever my first choice when I have no actual suspicions, and I think we got enough to work with from D1 that we could get another baddie today with the information available if we're smart about it, whereas with DF, lynching him is just a random result that might (but statistically probably won't) go well, but even if it does, won't give any actual information to then use going forward.

The lack of info from his lynch is the one huge drawback that's makes me hesitant to go forward with the DFar lynch, yeah

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:05 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:18 pm Also, I think TLib unintentionally townslipped earlier. I don't want to point it explicitly out right now though, but if you go looking through his D2 posts, you might see it, too. Take it with a grain of salt though.

I am really too paranoid for this, you know??? Especially in situations that can be anticipated by the mafia team, a townslip can be premeditated. But maybe I have not seen the same thing that you saw.

I'm considering just posting the townslip, but yeah, that's why I say take it with a grain of salt. I've been screwed over by scum faking townslips before, lol.