The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:46 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:44 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:43 pm All of the above
Okay, cool. How did conversations go during EoD1 when I bargained with you to join the Radish wagon? :P
Radish wasn’t part of our masonry, he was just a neighbor we saw across the way and had no idea he had bodies buried in his backyard

Okay, so it was a neighborhood then. Was it you guys that killed Radish then, and not Long Con?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:53 pm No no, me and DDL are masons that share a vig shot, Radishes was just an acquaintance, we didn't know him well at all, we promise

Alright, lol, fair enough.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:53 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:53 pm No no, me and DDL are masons that share a vig shot, Radishes was just an acquaintance, we didn't know him well at all, we promise
Alright, lol, fair enough.

Anyway, I trust you. You, DDL, me, and Jack make four. If we can find one more town, we'll probably have auto, especially with your vig shot.

I'm confused.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:13 pm It was a joke, Hyena. Cause "a masonry with a vig shot that they have to agree on" is basically a mafia team

... Oh, lol.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:03 am Catching up. This is gonna be a lazy ass catch up full.of skimming cuz I don't have patience for that anymore.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:11 pm Okay, I'm finally back.

For some reason, I'm finding it hard to really get myself into this game. If it has felt like that I've been coasting, it's because I kinda have been. Seeing Radish flip red and thinking that I caught MP7 gave me a brief burst of energy, but now I'm feeling lethargic again reading everything.

Right now, I'm second guessing myself on MP7, and am giving Jack's (I think it was him) idea of lynching both Nutella and Juliets some consideration. Nanook not wanting to vote either of MP7 or Juliets kinda sketches me out. I think it sketches me out because everybody has expressed some sort of opinion on those two, plus Nutella, and given that I believe that AT LEAST one of those three are scum, it doesn't make any sense to me why we don't try to resolve them as soon as possible.
This post pings me a little because feels like Hyena is trying to limit the discussion on those 3 people.

Yes, I was trying to limit the discussion on those 3 people. Those were the 3 people I wanted to lynch from. :P

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:51 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:18 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:04 am This post is mainly for reference (mine if no one else’s):

With just a few minutes left, MP7 & Nute created a 4/4/4 split:

MR – DDL, speed, Hyena, Nook
Nook – LC, sig, 112, nutella
Sig – juliets, TSP, Jack, MP7

(To the best of my knowledge those votes are in chronological order too.)
Wait a sec. I forgot about Nook's wagon. Sig and 112 flipped town. If Nook is town, then at least one of Nute and LC are probably scum. Unless, somehow the wagon is pure?
It does look like the Nook wagon was pure. I'll have to look back and see if there are any other votes besides MR that weren't on these three wagons but if not, it looks like the last two to three scum have to be on sig or MR (and I'll say once again it's not me). We cleared Tony (or I did anyway) because MR went after him and voted him. I'm going to have to take another look at that.

Oh, right, Nook's wagon is confirmed to be pure now since both Nutella and LC flipped town.

Quick question: Since teams share a single vote and there are four teams, does that mean the votes on a wagon will hit majority? If so, I'd more cautious with votes this round. (That's my subtle way of saying Nanook and Tony should unvote Speed for now)

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:45 pm Quick question: Since teams share a single vote and there are four teams, does that mean the votes on a wagon will hit majority? If so, I'd more cautious with votes this round. (That's my subtle way of saying Nanook and Tony should unvote Speed for now)

three votes on a wagon** rather

Also, Nanook and Tony, did you talk to your teammates before placing your votes on Speed?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:48 pm Why would we be playing majority this day and not the others? There’s no hammer AFAIK

Oh wait, we weren't playing majority other days? I didn't know since we never hit majority any of the other days.

Ngl, I think this is something (3 votes being being majority right now) that you'd catch on to pretty quickly, Nanook. Especially since I'm pretty sure I recall people talking about teams sharing one vote? Did you talk to DDL before you voted?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:04 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:55 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:48 pm Why would we be playing majority this day and not the others? There’s no hammer AFAIK
Oh wait, we weren't playing majority other days? I didn't know since we never hit majority any of the other days.
I’m 99% sure it’s straight plurality with no hammer
That’s the norm here at least, the only hammer game I’ve seen here is one I ran

Oh really? I didn't know that.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:03 pm I guess i should say “I don’t see how I can contribute to a win they’re all three town in,” obviously if everyone else figures it out and carries my ass that’s ok too

I really think I’ve got the game mostly locked down though

So, like, we're at F9 at the moment. If we've got two scum remaining and there's no more extra kills, then we've got two more TKs we can make before we get to LYLO. If we TK all three of them and they all flip town, then it's not a "this game won't be winnable" kind of thing. It'll be a "town will lose" kind of thing. You realize that, right? :P

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:13 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:17 pm But this is largely hypothetical cause idk how we kill outside of those three today tbh
I don't think Tony or Juliets are off the menu.

Me neither.

Nanook, I keep trying to wrap my head around this scumread you have on Speed.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:30 pm I think it’s entirely reasonable for scumChuck to have felt like he needed to vote radishes D1

Why do you think Chuck would feel like he'd need to vote for Radish D1? Just to note, DDL was the only other voter on Radish at the time he made the vote.

And then, this is what you had to say about Tony earlier,

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:30 am Against the grain Alex Jones thought, radishes push on him didn’t feel like a bus/distancing imo.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:31 am I see two points in favor of him being town and I don’t really see much to suggest he’s scum.

You think these two things make him more likely to be town than Chuck, who was on a scum wagon D1? Why doesn't Radish's push on him feel like bussing but Chuck's push on Radish potentially does for you?

As for you having no reasons to scumread Tony,

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:26 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:03 pm @TonyStarkPrime talk to me about Speedchuck. You have a vote on them right now.
He's felt disengenuous to me

What about this meh answer he gave D1? What about him not giving any examples of what felt disingenuous to him?

And what the lack of game relevant posts from D1?

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:20 am And of course Tony's voting for me, too, lol

Tony placed a vote on me and joined Nutella on my wagon D1, but he never really talked about why. I thought it was very opportunistic at the time, and the only reason I didn't pursue it more was because Radish got shot sometime after and I got tied up with casing MP7 instead. What do you think about that Nanook? What do you think about him townreading me now and there being no progression in between?

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]
And what about that nasty vote from Tony that placed Sig at four votes when Sig's wagon was growing like crazy?

Are, like, none of these things suspicious to you? How can you not see anything that suggests Tony could be scum, but you can find stuff that suggests Chuck could be scum?

Nanook, are you scum?

I think I'd feel okay with going with Wilgy if it's not Tony. My read on him yesterday has faded since he hasn't done anything today. I really hate Tony's recent vote on me though, especially considering that he just stated a townread earlier.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:50 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:42 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:39 pm Okay, I’m not dying today.
I also think we’re probably going about this all wrong and we need to be considering different names. For the life of me I don’t know where to start.
What do you mean? That's yet to be determined.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:40 pm Vote: Hyena for now
I'm getting really tired of reminding people why Hyena is townread. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
I’m channeling my inner Jack. I think I know why Hyena is townread, but if you have something succinct, please give me two sentences.

You’re in the big group, with him, right?

Why did YOU townread Hyena?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:26 pm Tbf “I think I know why hyena is townread” isn’t the same as “I townread hyena.”

I quoted him townreading me when I made a case on him earlier. I'll pull it up again.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:42 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:23 pm Hey Tony, what are your reads right now?
I’m willing to townclear Jack. I think I’ll have an opportunity to examine Wilgy today — I don’t think he should be cleared long term for his derp, but it’s worth something.
Nanook and Hyena are the typical townreads. I’m less sure on both of them. I thought Hyena was scum early, but they’ve contributed a fair amount. Nanook probably sorts himself pretty quickly— there are obvious places to start for any sort of analysis. Your slot is vague and I haven’t played with you before (unless you count your first day), so I’m basically now trying to get ahold of your day 1 meta. That leaves Speed and Juliets. I cannot read Juliets. Nutella was pretty certain she was scum, but that softened towards the end and there’s always a certain town energy here to not lynch the rival train from the day before. Speed is left— I don’t think he’s playing like he had previous times I’ve seen him as scum, but he seems to me both the most likely to be scum and the most likely to provide information in his defense.
This is my participation for today, but Ive constructed a light schedule for myself tomorrow so I should be around more.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:34 pm Maybe I’m biased into thinking tony is town because I feel like I have a decent understanding of him game/a fairly few of the accusations against him remind me of stuff that gets levied at me sometimes, but like, I just don’t really see “he changed his mind and didn’t document it in excruciating detail in thread” as being particularly AI

It's not that. He's going with the crowd. If people hadn't started throwing my name out again as a suspect, I doubt Tony ever votes for me there. When he townread me, it was when most people were townreading me. When he was scumreading me the first time, it was only when Nutella voted me and started pushing me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:49 pm Can we just take a poll between the towncore of DDL, Hyena, Nanook and Jack of how many townread Juliets, Tony, Speed, Wilgy and MP?

I townread Speed. I’m not confident enough by a long shot to fight for or against the others.

I only strongly townread Speed, too, hence why I was trying to keep him from getting lynched earlier. I kinda townread Juliets, too, but nowhere as strongly as I do Speed.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:56 pm Here are the first two:

Dragon D. Luffy

DrWilgy

Town
Scum

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:58 pm Hyena

Jackofhearts2005

Town

Town

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:59 pm juliets

Nanook

Town

Town?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:01 pm MP7

speed

Tony

Town?

Town

Scum

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:00 pm Thanks Wilgy!

Hmmm... that is an interesting hypothesis, usually I've heard that referred to as the rule of three, like scum tends to put scummate in a pool like that and two other townies, but I'm not sure how often that's actually happened.

I see people get accused of it so often that I tend to avoid doing that when I'm scum.

This is where my head was at about 15 minutes ago (I'm stealing MP7's layout for this)

Strong town:
Jack
Speed

Moderate town:
DDL

Slight town:
MP7
Nanook
juliets

POE:
DrWilgy
Tony

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:13 pm This is where my head was at about 15 minutes ago (I'm stealing MP7's layout for this)

Strong town:
Jack
Speed

Moderate town:
DDL

Slight town:
MP7
Nanook
juliets

POE:
DrWilgy
Tony

Right now though, Wilgy seems wrong in PoE. I'd probably move him up and move the three I have in slight town down to POE.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:15 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:13 pm This is where my head was at about 15 minutes ago (I'm stealing MP7's layout for this)

Strong town:
Jack
Speed

Moderate town:
DDL

Slight town:
MP7
Nanook
juliets

POE:
DrWilgy
Tony
Right now though, Wilgy seems wrong in PoE. I'd probably move him up and move the three I have in slight town down to POE.

However, I don't know how that reconciles with him saying Tony is town, so ehhh.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:23 pm I have to go for the night. I'd say something about other lynch preferences but... well... it's gonna be hard to change votes. I'll try to check in in case people shift votes elsewhere.

No worries. I don't think I'd want to vote anywhere else right now.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:26 pmCFD Nanook?

If we weren't in teams atm, this would be tempting to try, just to see what happened.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:29 pm Why does my town core hate me so

lol, I don't think I'd actually go through TKing you since I still want Tony's flip more than yours, but I'd still want to see who would jump on.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:29 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:15 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:13 pm This is where my head was at about 15 minutes ago (I'm stealing MP7's layout for this)

Strong town:
Jack
Speed

Moderate town:
DDL

Slight town:
MP7
Nanook
juliets

POE:
DrWilgy
Tony
Right now though, Wilgy seems wrong in PoE. I'd probably move him up and move the three I have in slight town down to POE.
It’s dumb but I was just thinking I trust Wilgy a hair more than Nanook.

I know, right? Like, I think in order of trust individually, from greatest to least, it's like Wilgy -> Nanook -> Juliets -> MP7 -> Tony

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:31 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:29 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:15 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:13 pm This is where my head was at about 15 minutes ago (I'm stealing MP7's layout for this)

Strong town:
Jack
Speed

Moderate town:
DDL

Slight town:
MP7
Nanook
juliets

POE:
DrWilgy
Tony
Right now though, Wilgy seems wrong in PoE. I'd probably move him up and move the three I have in slight town down to POE.
It’s dumb but I was just thinking I trust Wilgy a hair more than Nanook.
I know, right? Like, I think in order of trust individually, from greatest to least, it's like Wilgy -> Nanook -> Juliets -> MP7 -> Tony

I will admit though that if you had asked me to rank these about two hours ago, Nanook would still be the top in that group. Wilgy's recent posts influenced me to put him that high.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:29 pm IM JUST TRYING TO LOVE YOU

I'M SORRY BBY. ;-;

Should I claim my role here?

I'm a bat. If I'm lynched, any mafia that voted me will be roleblocked the following night.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:15 am I'm a bat. If I'm lynched, any mafia that voted me will be roleblocked the following night.

The the reason I want to claim is that MP7 flipped as mafia with a roleblocking ability like me.

I could potentially confirm whether or not Tony is town by you guys lynching me and making sure that Tony is on my wagon. If he's mafia, he won't be able to do another gimmick that night because he'd be roleblocked. That would require lynching me though. :P

Like, who else, aside from Tony and Jack, has an active ability that they can use during the night?

Jack, is there a reason you didn't do a report thingy at the start of day this time?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:07 am I cannot think of a less meaningful question

Well, I had an idea, but if he only has a limited number of shots that he can use the ability, then it won't work.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:46 am I don’t see any need to confirm his role or whatever? He’s clearly what he says he is, we know there’s an announcer and nobody has CCed, so.

Well, like, I can confirm whether he's mafia or not (as well as Tony) if he still can make reports at the beginning of the day. That way, you'd go into tomorrow with at least one confirmed town instead of a couple of "he's probably town"s.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:20 am Do you uh

Think that jack or tony is mafia?

To the point that you want to die to test them?

Cause we don’t save a kill by you dying, lol.

Well, I mean, it seems like people are questioning my alignment, so if I'm going to get TKed, it's better to do it now rather than later, right?

Hi, I'm here!

Nanook, have you claimed yet? I don't remember if you have or not.

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