The Syndicate

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] , why are you not using the fancy vote tags?

Rabbit probably was a safe kill for the scum, as he was inactive and no one was going to protect him and all. That's the only reason I can think of at least.

For the rest, some gaslighting going on. Don't know why [mention]nutella[/mention] and [mention]dunya[/mention] were going on two pages back about the last two draft picks and last minute switching between two players in what was a messy phase.

[mention]dunya[/mention] In understand that you want to pressure Quin, but it seems you're suddenly off the nutella wagon this way. Why?

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:22 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:18 pm who else found Iron_Dwarf's answer about who Jay is making cases about with ping worthy for the fact Dr. White was not mentioned? Possible w/w if we take into consideration Dr. White's random drafting of Iron_Dwarf at the wrong time, then backing off him to Marmot in the end, when I_D was still available?
Ok, so I can't be bothered to go back and look this up, but I've seen it referenced a few times. Did Dr. White try to draft Iron Dwarf at a random time when it was not his turn to choose, and then a long time later draft a different player? Cuz if that's the case I don't see there actually being much to it cuz the rest of us were just picking based off who was active at the time anyway. Am I missing something?

There is not much else than this to it. It's seeing way too much in nothing. We are talking about someone who had a 50/50 choice in a confusing draft phase. This is textbook gaslighting.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:12 pm [VOTE: Iron_Dwarf] aubergine

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:44 pm
gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:43 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:41 pm AUBERGINE

[VOTE: jaggedjimmyjay] aubergine

I know what you did last night
Please share with the class.
JJJ deserves his chance to wiggle out of this one

The both of you just throw out a vote without any sufficient explanation and people are not calling you out for this?

I haven't seen JJJ's case on me yet.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm dunya I've had enough of your insistence that I haven't given a reason for townreading you when I have done so multiple times now
less dunya more hunt
ok. have you explained your vote on Iron_Dwarf? Is it related to the Dr. White draft thing or something else? Should I ISO him?

My vote is on Quin for now but I'm open to other options, especially if he comes back and provides more content this phase

Nutella, you are acting really opportunistic. You were on to Quin and suddenly after JJJ tries to start a hunt on me you switch priorities.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:10 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm dunya I've had enough of your insistence that I haven't given a reason for townreading you when I have done so multiple times now
less dunya more hunt
ok. have you explained your vote on Iron_Dwarf? Is it related to the Dr. White draft thing or something else? Should I ISO him?

My vote is on Quin for now but I'm open to other options, especially if he comes back and provides more content this phase
Dr. White is my top suspect. Iron_Dwarf is a pet suspect. They are unrelated. I don't have the time right now to provide a substantive case, but I may later tonight. Succinctly: I see a number of reads he has made which only barely qualify as "reads". Either no concrete stance is taken or a stance is supported with total vagueness. There's a lot of potential for fake hunting.

I always keep my posts concise. A wall of text is not my M.O. I disagree that I did not take concrete stances. For instance, I did take a position on Epi on day 0.

Following JJJ's logic on me I want rundontwalk to explain his behavior. He's not really adding much of value to cases. Hardly any reads at all, no explanation on his JJJ vote.

[VOTE: rundontwalk] aubergine

Also curious about colonialbobs behavior. He seems eager to join a bandwagon on me, then asks dunya who he should vote for, followed by a Kenway vote.

Kites wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:41 am JJJ and nutella I’ll answer you both later, I’m on mobile and in school at the moment

anyways
VOTE COLONIALBOB

There are fancy vote tags!

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:30 pm IronDwarf because of his silly vote against me showing he didn't bother to read full exchange with JJJ

Can't really see anything substantial there. And this is not really a defense.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:06 pm I'm not gonna waste my time defending myself against silly accusations that I'm scum when I know I'm not scum.

Y'all are latter day Birthers and history will absolve me

Really substantial.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:37 am [VOTE: Iron Dwarf] aubergine

This came up and I liked the points made, especially Nutella's. Then I looked at his ISO and didn't particularly hate it but didn't love it either. Day 1 is mostly smashing Epi for the don exercise thing, then on day 2 he argues a bit more but gets off Epi's back. Coulc be a calculated move to get out of a lynch nobody is interested on anymore. Then a vote on RDW out of nowhere. Lots of "salad", I think. He is contributing, but not in a way that gives me a good vibe.

Right now I think I have much more civ suspicions than bad ones, so this one is one of the slightly bad ones.

Epi is still suspect in my book. Didn't like the day 1 gambit at all. The rundontwalk vote was motivated. And why single me out for random votes when both rdw and JJJ amongst others did just that?

Still some are going on about Dr White's behavior in draft. Seems like a stretch. Focus on something more substantial than random noise in a 50/50 choice I'd say.

This is my last post before the vote. I already said I was a bit iffy on colonialbob. And because I don't feel I am out of the woods yet this is partly motivated by self preservation. And I don't believe Dr White to be scum, the most important case is the draft thing and that is just nonsense in my book.

[VOTE: UNVOTE rundontwalk] aubergine

[VOTE: colonialbob] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:15 pm
Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:04 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:30 pm IronDwarf because of his silly vote against me showing he didn't bother to read full exchange with JJJ
Can't really see anything substantial there. And this is not really a defense.
RDW's vote on me was tacked to a strong suggestion that he had role-based information against me. Soon after he admitted he only bodyguarded me, meaning the vote wasn't driven by real stuff [beyond his desire to test me, presumably]. Given that he was open about this and that you didn't seem to notice that, what is your perspective now about his vote for me?

He's still all over the place and never really addressing points raised against him. Case in point:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:33 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:33 pm Cool story, bro.
There are times when the shtick is not advisable. Here is one such time. You should address the shit.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:41 pm Look at those pushing the nonsense draft stuff too particulalry nutella, looking for oppurtunistic arguments to keep pushing this narrative on me

I also still have no idea why this was pushed so heavily. I'm with you on this one.

Other points:

- The end phase was as someone else said a hilarious 'clown fiesta'. So many people constantly switchting votes around.
- This makes me suspicious of Epi. He was one of the main instigators of this. He switched a lot. And he had some sort of theory on DDL and Dr. White but then not really sticking to it.
- JJJ was also constantly switching around to low hanging fruit, people who have few posts which can be related to anything (such as this thread having 85 pages now

)
- nutella remains her opportunistic self and follows whatever vote seems fashionable.

I feel bad for Jack, he has his work cut out for him.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:55 pm Iow, IronDwarf knows I'm town and can't be arsed to try

I did bring forth a reason for my suspicion.

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:14 pm Can someone explain to me the eggplant. .why are voting with an eggplant?

I didn't dare to ask this myself.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:00 pm @nutella @Quin @MacDougall @colonialbob @Iron_Dwarf

did any of you move or remove my target last night?

No.

Those long lists are great to see where a player is standing and all, but how is this different from 'salad' posts?

[VOTE: rundontwalk] aubergine

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:06 am So yesterday I sent a misdirect on Iron Dwarf then changed it to Bob later. But apparently Jack didn't process my change to Bob so I hit ID. Also the ability failed, most likely because of sword vs spear.

Stay tuned for more updates.

So my ability was misdirected?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:17 am there's some uncontrollable variables at play of course, but chances are whoever @sprityo targeted last night was a civ.

Unless iron dwarf targeted me night one... or sprityo was misdirected, blocked or targeted a player who Epignosis also chose to protect night 2, in which case.... nevermind.

I have never targeted you.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:32 am why? and don't just say I'm "opportunistic" I've heard that one about 62973 times

Well that's because you are. :P

Are people still feeling the same qay about Quin and nutella? It seems opinions have changed a little.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:04 pm Like there is such a huge amount of wifom that can go into a rainbow list.

At least when people post what they think about other people you can analyse what they wrote.

I prefer a smaller list of people with reasons given for town/scum read.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:55 am
gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:50 am This was my exact result btw: “**f*** *m ** - s*g”

I was drunk last night and working now so I haven’t put the slightest effort into decoding it. Have at it.
Soften 'em up. It corroborates I think Kites (?) who said they boosted sig's kill chance. I obviously didn't do that, so you were misdirected or something.

Sounds plausible and for me this means Kites is probably town. Can't imagine sig with his ability is scum.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:21 pm
Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:05 am Other points:

- The end phase was as someone else said a hilarious 'clown fiesta'. So many people constantly switchting votes around.
- This makes me suspicious of Epi. He was one of the main instigators of this. He switched a lot. And he had some sort of theory on DDL and Dr. White but then not really sticking to it.
- JJJ was also constantly switching around to low hanging fruit, people who have few posts which can be related to anything (such as this thread having 85 pages now )
- nutella remains her opportunistic self and follows whatever vote seems fashionable.
How is switching votes around a bad thing? What do you think makes a mafia more comfortable: A static lynch or a dynamic lynch?

My theory on DDL and who now?

Mistyped, I meant the exchange on DDL/rdw/3J.

There could be all sorts of reasons for scum to want a dynamic lynch, f.i. getting people sidetracked if a teammate is suspected.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:50 pm @Iron_Dwarf GTH who are your scummate?

rundontwalk

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:43 pm And after you get done murdering me plz kill Iron Dwarf. I think I hit a nerve with my 4 names

I actually repeatedly stated my suspicions of nutella and colonialbob.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:18 pm Re: iron_dwarf

His Epi bashing didn't sit right with me, I never really understood why his disagreement with the exercise translated to Epi being scum. He then backed off that d2, before going back n2 after the EoD craziness.

I don't like the "nutella is opportunistic" criticism, it's very vague and just seems to be echoing other suspicions. If true, show your work.

His previous post about Sig not being mafia because of his power makes no sense and he hasn't addressed my questioning of it.

His pressure on RDW clearly indicates he missed some of the discussion between RDW and JJJ, which could be mafia looking for an easy excuse to park their vote.

He was one of the people who voted me early and never provided a case on me despite my repeated asking for one.

All that said, after the ISO a lot of the posting I didn't agree with war how he defended himself against the draft argument (which was a totally valid argument). However, Dr. White being town means that defense isn't necessarily scummy, poor as it is.

Overall I still lean negative on him but it's less strong than before the Dr. White flip.

I have not said that I read Epi as 100% town. You can see in my ISO that I made a case on him deliberately creating chaos.

It's not a vague criticism. She is quite eager to follow in the footsteps of other players who try to start a vote for someone, changing her opinion afterward. During this day, she's okay with me and then starts to get behind lynching me after a few posts.

I will admit that my post on Sig made no sense reading it back. Had this idea in my head that the ability would be a town one, but that's not true. I do read him as town though.

I had other points on rdw as well.

The draft argument never made sense to me and it showed, with Dr. White flipping town.

It was earlier in the game that I stated my suspicion of you with reasons. But right now my focus is more on rdw and nutella.

Can also get behind the JJJ lynch, but not too sure.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:37 pm @JaggedJimmyJay what do you think of the idea that Iron Dwarf is copping a lot of heat from Mafia teammates?

You can say the same about other suspects.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:09 pm Sorry for the lack of activity as of late.

I'll be around to lynch some scum tomorrow morning.

Easy post.

[mention]Quin[/mention] only dropped in to ask why he is suspected and starting a case on Kites. Seems defensive.

I might like a nutella lynch more now.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:52 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:52 am I'm trying to convince myself you guys are right about Jay but it's not easy. I'm not really feeling it. Maybe I'll work up the patience to skim his iso tomorrow and make up my mind from there, but at the moment if it's gonna be between him and I_D I'm probably going with the latter
If you don't believe it say you don't believe it and vote against it. Your waffling doesn't look good.

nutella in a nut(ella?)shell this game

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:03 pm
Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:10 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:09 pm Sorry for the lack of activity as of late.

I'll be around to lynch some scum tomorrow morning.
Easy post.
True.

It's the kind of post one makes when they're checking in, haven't posted in a hot second, and won't post for a hot second.

What's your point?

That from the perspective of this game it feels easy if you would have made 1 post only and then voted. That could be a scum trying to be incognito. But you've posted more since.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:14 pm
Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:13 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:52 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:52 am I'm trying to convince myself you guys are right about Jay but it's not easy. I'm not really feeling it. Maybe I'll work up the patience to skim his iso tomorrow and make up my mind from there, but at the moment if it's gonna be between him and I_D I'm probably going with the latter
If you don't believe it say you don't believe it and vote against it. Your waffling doesn't look good.
nutella in a nut(ella?)shell this game
You've been calling her opportunistic the whole game. She is both opportunistic and waffly?

Yes?

I was referring to nutella holding off, probably waiting to see which bandwagon wins out.

I am 29 years old and what is this?

Please hang around dunya, we provide good entertainment in between studying and work I hope.

Well that was close.

Still fucked though.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:34 am none of your opinions are important, giving up is always a boring choice so don't do it. :\

even if we were in a dire situation, feeling despair would be the boring choice, but we're not in a dire situation, there are so many roads left that lead to victory.

I overreacted after the lynch, I agree with this completely.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:05 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:55 pm Do you guys want to talk about anything aside from the civilians being doomed?

Like what about the fact that colonialbob is scum but is still alive and playing?
How do we know he is scum?

I'll do an ISO on him and see whether my initial suspicion is still warranted. And he has asked for one.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:26 pm I'm more suspicious of Epi after today.

I might ISO him.

He's kind of a wild card with the D1 gambit and other things.

Wanted to ask the same.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:45 pm
gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:28 pm I think Marmot is scum and he is my preferred lynch.
Same

Did I miss the case on marmot or isn't there on yet?

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