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We need a pro mafia league.gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:00 am I wish I had a job that would allow me to play mafia while I work.
I interpreted the emote as a celebratory fist
There was no particular judgment made here. It's their M.O. every game basically.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:44 amHey Dwarf, what do these observations mean to you as it pertains to those two players' alignments?Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:17 am Just like on RYM, rundontwalk is posting like a madman aka #ballstothewall. And dunya can't wait to start digging around in everyone's post histories.
This was just banter because I was reminiscing about the good old days of playing mafia on RYM.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:53 pmDwarf loses a point for saying things just to say things.Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:04 amThere was no particular judgment made here. It's their M.O. every game basically.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:44 amHey Dwarf, what do these observations mean to you as it pertains to those two players' alignments?Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:17 am Just like on RYM, rundontwalk is posting like a madman aka #ballstothewall. And dunya can't wait to start digging around in everyone's post histories.
Also, this will be my last post for Sunday probably.
#ballstothewallrundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:38 pmBack in my day I faked being the most powerful town player as scum (town cop). Nothing is too difficult to fake.
I for one requested fighter/knight because I like the sound of those roles. Can imagine that others with a similar initial bewilderment also just randomly picked stuff.dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:41 am I wonder if some people realized what roles they were assigning other players. Specifically: Epi giving sig Wyvern Rider, nutella giving TSP Shaman, and JJJ giving gwilikers6 Monk.
I ask this because, honestly, I misunderstood my role when I asked for it. I thought it was a straight out cop role, but it feels more like another one of those role cops made less significant / bastardized when you have townies from badguyia and scummies from goodguyia. :-/
Those three roles are the most offensive scum hunting roles we have.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:02 pm I have powered through all 31 pages of this thread. I will never do that again. My eyeballs are bleeding.![]()
I'll have some things to say later this evening after I have bathed and replenished my strength. For now:
@ColinIsCool
@DrWilgyl
@Iron_Dwarfl
@lapluiel
@rabbit8l
@rundontwalkl
These individuals have not named their four hypothetical teammates. I would like to hear them by tonight.
Let's get this out of the way. I gave a heads up that I would be out celebrating carnival, a huge event in the south of the Netherlands. This meant I was out drinking alcoholic beverages, catching up with old friends IRL and without the ability to browse the internet as I didn't bring my laptop. Regardless of whether I am town or scum, I would have behaved in the exact same manner. My lack of posting is entirely due to this, so it would feel unfair to make anything more out of it.
Nutella pancakes are good too.:Pnutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:04 pmyou like salad huhIron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:00 pm Random tidbits about people. If people want me to elaborate on some, please say so.
MacDougall - Feels shady, but he had the problem of being away on vacation so may not have the time to properly explain himself
Dragon D Luffy - Feels shady, like throwing bits around and see what sticks
rabbit 8 - He is quiet and didn't have a valid excuse to be so
epignosis - His behavior feels a bit off
Long Con - Feels like he's flipflopping a bit on his reads
rundontwalk - #ballstothewall
As much as day 1 is the traditional crapshoot, I will go with voting Dragon D Luffy for now.
VOTE DRAGON D LUFFY![]()
Nutella - Feels all over the placedunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:03 pmI'd like your opinions on nutella and ColinIsCool in 5, 4, 3....Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:00 pm Random tidbits about people. If people want me to elaborate on some, please say so.
MacDougall - Feels shady, but he had the problem of being away on vacation so may not have the time to properly explain himself
Dragon D Luffy - Feels shady, like throwing bits around and see what sticks
rabbit 8 - He is quiet and didn't have a valid excuse to be so
epignosis - His behavior feels a bit off
Long Con - Feels like he's flipflopping a bit on his reads
rundontwalk - #ballstothewall
As much as day 1 is the traditional crapshoot, I will go with voting Dragon D Luffy for now.
VOTE DRAGON D LUFFY
But if asked you would be able to come up with some more argumentation I presume?nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:06 pmI don't understand this? do you want the amount of time it took me to write that post? I don't do elaborate iso analyses like some other people, I just skim it and write out general impressions, maybe with one or two quotes, so it doesn't take very longMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:03 pmShare with us the minutes between your post declaring intent to iso Colin and your brief summary post of his iso plz?nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:02 pmEpi is doing his "I don't care what you think" schtick, and Colin has provided a couple other original thoughts/insights and overall his iso gave me town feels.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:56 pmI don't agree with the former. What are the other reasons?nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:52 pmbecause there's no baddie motive that makes sense for what either of them are doing. (and because I have town read both of them for other reasons)JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:48 pm nutella, why do you think Epi and Colin are both civilians?![]()
Sorry what were those tags again?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:09 pm [VOTE: All y'all should use these vote tags Marmot made. They'll be very easy to catch for talliers.] aubergine
From the start it seems you were mainly fishing for others to step up and talk. This makes you harder to read.
Epi's gambit just feels like unnecessary risk to me. Why are you so adamant on continuing with it? Just because you are curious?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:17 am I'm on Page 34 and I hate the discussion about Epi's exercise. Hate it hate it hate it.
Can you guys be just a little patient and let him finish it so we can judge whether the results are good or not? If they are not you can vote for him all you want. But voting him now because you can't see the usefulness of something that has been advertized as having a hidden goal is moronic. Voting for him because he is risking being night killed is triple moronic. For all I know this exercise could end in day 1, when every active player answers it. Or he could be night killed, but then that means he was... a civ?
You don't lynch someone to prevent mafia from killing them, that's almost as bad as the idea that a civ has to resign themselves to get lynched.
If Epi is a wagon I will make whatever vote is necessary to prevent him from being lynched. Because right now my curiosity wants me to know how this exercise ends.
That may be, but the point still stands.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:33 amWelcome to Epi101.Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:30 amI don't really know what your end game is with all these actions. Feels like sowing fear, uncertainty and doubt.
Throwing away a really powerful ability on day 1 when we do not have any conclusive reads.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:35 amRisk?Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:32 amEpi's gambit just feels like unnecessary risk to me. Why are you so adamant on continuing with it? Just because you are curious?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:17 am I'm on Page 34 and I hate the discussion about Epi's exercise. Hate it hate it hate it.
Can you guys be just a little patient and let him finish it so we can judge whether the results are good or not? If they are not you can vote for him all you want. But voting him now because you can't see the usefulness of something that has been advertized as having a hidden goal is moronic. Voting for him because he is risking being night killed is triple moronic. For all I know this exercise could end in day 1, when every active player answers it. Or he could be night killed, but then that means he was... a civ?
You don't lynch someone to prevent mafia from killing them, that's almost as bad as the idea that a civ has to resign themselves to get lynched.
If Epi is a wagon I will make whatever vote is necessary to prevent him from being lynched. Because right now my curiosity wants me to know how this exercise ends.
What does it risk?
Sorry to disappoint you and maybe I had to be clearer, but the rdw read was meant as a joke as he's the one who's using that hashtag all the time.dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:37 am6 calls for shadiness. Not 1 civ cred. Not 5 scum names. 6. That is relevant to me.Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:00 pm Random tidbits about people. If people want me to elaborate on some, please say so.
MacDougall - Feels shady, but he had the problem of being away on vacation so may not have the time to properly explain himself
Dragon D Luffy - Feels shady, like throwing bits around and see what sticks
rabbit 8 - He is quiet and didn't have a valid excuse to be so
epignosis - His behavior feels a bit off
Long Con - Feels like he's flipflopping a bit on his reads
rundontwalk - #ballstothewall
As much as day 1 is the traditional crapshoot, I will go with voting Dragon D Luffy for now.
VOTE DRAGON D LUFFY
Iron_Dwarf was prodded by Epi, Iron_Dwarf bites back without flinching. Cowards hide, civs don't got nuthin' to hide. I'm curious about your rundontwalk read and what it means and how you're applying #ballstothewall. I'm assuming it's in negative light, if the gist of your list is anything to go by so walk me through it.
These were one sentence summaries of my first hunches. And with more information that came in I elaborated on epignosis just now.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:42 amOMGUS aside, this list feels pingy specially since he picked exactly one inactive player to call bad, ignored the rest, and posted some sentences on others that have very little meaning. "his behavior feels off" and "he's flip-flopping" hardly mean much. Ironically, the case on yours truly is the best one of this list.Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:00 pm Random tidbits about people. If people want me to elaborate on some, please say so.
MacDougall - Feels shady, but he had the problem of being away on vacation so may not have the time to properly explain himself
Dragon D Luffy - Feels shady, like throwing bits around and see what sticks
rabbit 8 - He is quiet and didn't have a valid excuse to be so
epignosis - His behavior feels a bit off
Long Con - Feels like he's flipflopping a bit on his reads
rundontwalk - #ballstothewall
As much as day 1 is the traditional crapshoot, I will go with voting Dragon D Luffy for now.
VOTE DRAGON D LUFFY
This does not help me in shedding my suspicions of DDL at all.rundontwalk wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:30 pmThrowaway vote and unwillingness to make a stand despite on last page saying you would save Epi is notedDragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:28 pm Actually no. Screw this. I'm not voting someone with zero posts. I never do that.
[VOTE: Kenway] aubergine
Will wait to see how this ends.
Maybe to get people riled up and forcing their hands?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:34 am Is there a potential civ reason for Epi lying about having a lynch switch?
There is only one way to find out the second point (lynching). And as in regards to the first point, it's better to be safe than sorry.Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:33 pmagreedDragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:23 am- And the lynch manipulator issue, which can be explained by two possibilities. One, Epi is lying, and if so I want to see why. Probably linked to the exercise. Second, he is telling the truth, and if so, we are powerless to stop him. So I'll just ignore it, wait to see what he is cooking, and keep playing the game as if this wasn't a factor.
If you have obtained good information about the alignments of different players you can prevent a misguided bandwagon forming on an innocent player.colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:38 pm@Iron_Dwarf please explain why a lynch switch is such a powerful civ abilityIron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:36 amThrowing away a really powerful ability on day 1 when we do not have any conclusive reads.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:35 amRisk?Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:32 amEpi's gambit just feels like unnecessary risk to me. Why are you so adamant on continuing with it? Just because you are curious?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:17 am I'm on Page 34 and I hate the discussion about Epi's exercise. Hate it hate it hate it.
Can you guys be just a little patient and let him finish it so we can judge whether the results are good or not? If they are not you can vote for him all you want. But voting him now because you can't see the usefulness of something that has been advertized as having a hidden goal is moronic. Voting for him because he is risking being night killed is triple moronic. For all I know this exercise could end in day 1, when every active player answers it. Or he could be night killed, but then that means he was... a civ?
You don't lynch someone to prevent mafia from killing them, that's almost as bad as the idea that a civ has to resign themselves to get lynched.
If Epi is a wagon I will make whatever vote is necessary to prevent him from being lynched. Because right now my curiosity wants me to know how this exercise ends.
What does it risk?
People were tossing around the word salad a lot earlier in the thread, all these comprehensive (rainbow) lists should be seen as salad too then to be consistent.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:19 pm
Dunya Town
JJJ scum
Epi ???
Colin null
Kyle Mafia but I can’t explain it
DDL maybe scum
Missing players scum
Nutella Town
Quin town
Kenway town
LongCon scumish
My point is that this thought exercise is based on shoddy foundations. And this is not comparable to e.g. a political poll at all.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:16 amOk if I see one more person saying the list thing is worthless because it's hypothetical I'm gonna flip.Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:49 am About Epi's poll. Personally I picked the 4 because I know them from RYM, the motivation was to get the team back together and didn't have a lot to do with strategic considerations. Wondering in how far others did so as well. Plus, the few scum there are in the list can distort it in a significant way already. And lastly, this is all hypothetical and you can't really say that people would have picked those persons when being the don.
Therefore, I don't really see a whole lot of use for the list.
This is like when people in real life say polls are meaningless because they didn't get personally interviewed.
There is math here, people. A real mathematical thorem that says when you pick a sample size big enough, you can actually infer things about real life with a controllable degree of certainity.
Every RYM person is equally cool in my book.dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:13 amI'm asking them to be serious and not just choose me because they missed me and I'm way cooler than Jay.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:10 amJJJ, Mac, Kenway, Kites and Iron Dward said they would. If there are any baddies among them they are likely lying. But what about the civs?
Also Kites and Mac would pick you over Jay, Kenway might, and Iron Dwarf would pick you both. Only gwilkers would pass on you. Rest would either randomize or didn't respond.Like, be a don for 15 minutes and go through the player list and really decide.
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If you're on RYM yes. If you join RYM just now, also yes.Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:02 pmDoes that make me cool?Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:08 amEvery RYM person is equally cool in my book.dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:13 amI'm asking them to be serious and not just choose me because they missed me and I'm way cooler than Jay.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:10 amJJJ, Mac, Kenway, Kites and Iron Dward said they would. If there are any baddies among them they are likely lying. But what about the civs?
Also Kites and Mac would pick you over Jay, Kenway might, and Iron Dwarf would pick you both. Only gwilkers would pass on you. Rest would either randomize or didn't respond.Like, be a don for 15 minutes and go through the player list and really decide.
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Dunya is quite prolific and dictating a lot of where the discussion goes.Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:56 pmwouldn't the same thing be true about Colin?Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:50 am Voted for ColinIsCool in the poll. He feels like a genuine town. Can't really point to anything suspicious in his post history. Better safe than sorry. If dunya is indeed civ, she is a valuable asset, but you still run the risk she might be scum. Leaning towards the former, but it remains risky.
Well I believe that based on my reads I regard dunya as a riskier prospect than Colin. In rainbow terms green vs. green/orange.Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:26 pmsorry, I'll clarify. don't you also run the risk that Colin is scum?Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:22 pmDunya is quite prolific and dictating a lot of where the discussion goes.Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:56 pmwouldn't the same thing be true about Colin?Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:50 am Voted for ColinIsCool in the poll. He feels like a genuine town. Can't really point to anything suspicious in his post history. Better safe than sorry. If dunya is indeed civ, she is a valuable asset, but you still run the risk she might be scum. Leaning towards the former, but it remains risky.
And as I said, I cannot point to anything in Colins history thats really suspicious.
In short, it's hard to get a read on dunya. Her post count is insanely high and because of this she is steering a lot of the conversation. I feel like people are a bit too eager to give her a free pass as (super) town.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:32 pmWhat do you consider the most suspicious thing about dunya?Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:31 pm Well I believe that based on my reads I regard dunya as a riskier prospect than Colin. In rainbow terms green vs. green/orange.
You are very analytical and putting people under a lot of scrutiny. Town.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:46 pmHow do you read me?Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:45 pmIn short, it's hard to get a read on dunya. Her post count is insanely high and because of this she is steering a lot of the conversation. I feel like people are a bit too eager to give her a free pass as (super) town.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:32 pmWhat do you consider the most suspicious thing about dunya?Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:31 pm Well I believe that based on my reads I regard dunya as a riskier prospect than Colin. In rainbow terms green vs. green/orange.
I'd like to point out again that this is a minor concern that makes me put her in green/orange territory. I'm not reading her as scum atm, but she's not out of the woods yet.
Homework! For instance, exchanges about Epi, analysis of Colin, and yourself.dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:22 pmName 3 people Jay has put under a lot of scrutiny. Go.Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:09 pm You are very analytical and putting people under a lot of scrutiny. Town.