The Syndicate

Nutella is bouncing around like she’s tethered to something. If she accuses me, I could say “But I am town” and I would expect her to back off...

KYLE Last time you did this, Kyle murdered you and I thought he wouldn’t have. (Yay actually following up on meta suspicions post game...

Glorf, can you explain what you mean by "analytical gymnastics" regarding Jack's logic for voting you? Are you seeing Jack as bad right now? If so, is it because of his case on you or are there other things you are wary of? Hi @juliets this is Jack’s post below with the associated posts included for context: The scum are Jay, Long Con, Quin, Glorfindel and Kyle. You have proven yourself adept at identifying mafia when you're civ so I have to seriously consider what you have to say here. What do you see about LC that says he's bad? I have a hell of a time reading him even tho I've played with him for years. And is there anything you would be willing to share about Quin, Glorf, and Kyle? I don't think I've ever seen a bad Glorf so I'd like to know what you see. Thanks for anything you're willing to share. Forgive me but... :haha: juliets: what on earth gave you a crazy idea like that? Here’s a thought. If Glor is scum, at least one of these other players is also scum. Jack, how is Glor being scum relate to the others being scum? He’s very dismissive of what he shouldn’t give a shit about. If it was just Glor as scum, he’d be okay with a world where Mac actually goes after that crew. But what if there were 3 mafia in that pile? ScumGlor would be worried about that and Glor’s post comes across worried. Like if Mac put me in a five player group and said that was the mafia, I’d ignore it. Glor didnt. 1. I’m very dismissive of what I shouldn’t give a shit about. I’m sorry but doesn’t dismissive = not give a shit? This is simply errant nonsense. 2. If It was JUST me that was Mafia - this comment suggests he has already made up his mind that I’m Mafia based on no case that I’ve read from anyone and while appearing to offer you a logical argument, he’s already trying to persuade you that I’m bad. 3. His argument here is that if I were Mafia with other members of Mac’s list, I’d feel compelled to draw attention to myself by debunking that list. I commented on that list NOT because I am defending anyone - I was commenting on it because I couldn’t believe that you’d take it seriously in the first place (if you haven’t guessed already, I don’t share your confidence in Mac’s reads). 4. Again, Jack claims that if there were THREE Mafia in the list? THREE? Where on earth did he pull that number from? Fear not, I know... 5. If Jack were Mafia and was alone on Mac’s list, he’d simply ignore it. Well, good for him! I’m not Jack and as a member of this Town team, I AM going to defend the ONE person that I absolutely know with 100% certainty is Town from being thrown on Mafia lists and being voted for by people who wouldn’t know my Town meta if they fell over it! Nahnah. 1. There is a difference between taking the time to call out a good player as shit because he made a fake accusation of you vs ignoring it. 2. That comment supports the statement that IF you are mafia, you aren’t alone on that list. 3. You didn’t say you couldn’t believe she took it seriously. You said Mac isn’t that good at identifying scum. 4. It’s a hypothetical number. 5. If you say so. I think this is known as being overly defensive...

@karavalenge @DharmaHelper @ColinIsCool seeing as how Owner requested to be replaced, does that change your stance on wanting her lynched? There are better trains to jump on today. Just saying. It probably shouldn’t. Like Owner’s alignment hasn’t changed. Where are you going with this...

Nutella and Mac should fight...

*due...

timmer, it is highly unlikely that you have information on Bullzeye. I know this. So please expand on whatever rationale leads to your civilian read no him. :ponder: :disappoint...

Without looking, gimme an over/under on Mac's current post count: 20 Under...

Imma fight Jimmy for lying or being wrong on Luna and Nutella...

I looked over Luna's posts in U-Pick and Mega Man (mafia in both). It's difficult to identify any tonal differences with this game. In terms of content, I do observe that in her mafia performances she was inclined toward individualized player analysis, in the forms of large quote compilations, ISOs, or thorough reads lists, in a way that isn't quite as visible here. Her hunting activity is more reactive and less self-constructed. Luna is definitely reactionary right now. It reminds me of my earlier mafia career where I would freak out once I realized that I was being eyed. But she seems to be flailing with no idea of an overarching goal. Vote bullz. Don't vote bullz. But vote bullz. But maybe Kara. But no bullz... it's dizzying. Check out Nutella and lmk what you think...

So... Jack comes across as someone who honestly doesn't seem to give a shit what is happening in the game, he posts a ton of flippant stuff and overtly tried to grab a deathly Hallows by voting LC in a lynch without having ever said he even suspected him... this is not someone trying for a civ win but... is this how Jack is? I can't remember. But I don't like how he's just idly commenting on things without really trying to push the thread or promote his ideas. Look, you don’t know that the front page secrets aren’t that I just win if I get the deathly hallows. Also, one of them let’s you talk to dead people probably, one makes you undefeatable probably and the last makes you unfindable probably and those are all amazing potential powers. I am best with powers...

Also, LC got me lynched by screwing around in Megaman and as much as I ain’t mad, he wouldn’t be allowed to complain about me doing it to him here. :grin...

Added a paragraph to the FAQ involving potion mechanics that explains some interactions. - Potion usage is not affected by roleblocks/delays (except by [Petrificus Totalus]). That said, if a player is trying to combo an ability with [Felix Felicis] or [Invigoration Draught] and that ability is blocked, the potion won't be consumed. If delayed, the potion will be delayed with it. Nice mod is nice...

Hmm... glor has a sort of theatrical way of posting that I can't read much into. I'm leaving glor and Jack for another day. But while I'm ISO ing purple with votes... soneji! Holy interesting case! TH suspects soneji. Soneji suspects luna. Luna votes owner. So soneji uses this as an excuse to vote for...TH. who suspected soneji . So soneji pulled a clever no U. Now today soneji is back on Luna, but with no apparent attempt to break down how the lynch result may have affected the case. If soneji felt strongly that Luna was protecting th with a vote on owner, where are the thoughts now that the lynch went how it did? I think I may join jjj on a soneji vote. Yes, in fact I am. soneji Plus, Luna looks town af to me. Kyle Sonjei...

Without looking, gimme an over/under on Mac's current post count: 20 Under. 46. Rigged...

Imma fight Jimmy for lying or being wrong on Luna and Nutella. what, Jack. WHAT. Luna is town and Nutella is scum. That’s what...

Imma fight Jimmy for lying or being wrong on Luna and Nutella. what, Jack. WHAT. Luna is town and Nutella is scum. That’s what. What do you see about Nutella that makes you think she is scum. Someone brought up earlier that she has been very bold this game which seems more likely civ. She’s doing a Speedball impression so her suspicions have no weight. Bold is not the right word...

She’s doing a Speedball impression so her suspicions have no weight. Bold is not the right word. Compare and report. That's a civilian nutella. Jay and Dizzy reads remain roughly the same at top and bottom of that page. In this game, Nutella has changed mind reads in several consecutive posts. Not the same...

Speedball is a superhero who is like a living bludger...

Speedball is a superhero who is like a living bludger. Tell me about INH and Soneji. I’d rather lynch them than Luna, Bullzeye or Owner. I don’t have any reason to townread either. Sonjei’s Luna push looks like a known mislynch push. INH’s reactions to pushes on him look kinda suspect...

Owner of a Sloonley Heart spritpluie Slooner of a Broken Heart Laprityo It’s like you’re not even really trying...

Also I'll add this for balance purposes. Sloonei and sprityo are immune to kills in this night. This won't affect tomorrow's lynch, just this night. https://media1.tenor.com/images/4cdc6a228cbe285467d6b0a3e842501f/tenor.gif?itemid=10364625...

My name is Jordon Quickbottom...

Bad Jack signs are mostly these ones. https://static.quizur.com/i/b/5ab6c6b671f471.319610285ab6c6b652c4e4.68648640.jpg...

I look exactly like Harry Potter irl when I shave, wear glasses and suck in my gut...

I have no time this phase to play. Here are some suspects to chew on: Isaiah, Kevin, Mark, Qasim, Sid, Stanley I'm literally not ever going to care about the fake name shit. Shut up, Dennis...

Shiiiit. Kyle was my transfiguration homework hookup. And good job vig You got rid of a grifindor :keys:...

Is Jack bad? To the bone. :mafia: But I ain't no death eater...

I looked over Luna's posts in U-Pick and Mega Man (mafia in both). It's difficult to identify any tonal differences with this game. In terms of content, I do observe that in her mafia performances she was inclined toward individualized player analysis, in the forms of large quote compilations, ISOs, or thorough reads lists, in a way that isn't quite as visible here. Her hunting activity is more reactive and less self-constructed. Luna is definitely reactionary right now. It reminds me of my earlier mafia career where I would freak out once I realized that I was being eyed. But she seems to be flailing with no idea of an overarching goal. Vote bullz. Don't vote bullz. But vote bullz. But maybe Kara. But no bullz... it's dizzying. This. Her 3 targets that she's focused on, Bullz, Kara, and me, have all been easy suspicions to come by, and mostly feel like her hopping onto easy suspects already mentioned by others. She criticized me for having too few/weak reads, and only providing "commentary" to the thread, while she herself has been guilty of all of that. I always read willful hypocrisy as a scumtell. Other folks I'd be down to lynching: Glorf, Owner, and maaaaaybe JJJ. Need to read up on all of three of them before I decisively side against them. lunalee I'd put Owner and Lunalee in the evil box. And maaaaaybe JJJ. :srsnod: If Lunalee is bad with INH, I don't expect any of those three to be scum too except maybe Jimmy. That's INH saying "Imma distance but these are options I could switch to so I don't have to bus." You could argue he's not serious about Jimmy so just Glor and Owner are townies from this. That said I townread Luna* so I tend to think it's actually one of Owner, Glorf and Jay that's teamed with INH. If INH is serious about this vote, the other folks bit would include some distancing. *I do need to reread Sonjei's case on her knowing that it's something he actually believed. Regardless, there's no more than one wolf in Luna/Glor/Owner...

Gryffindor won the House Cup again on Day/Night2 (yep, just like the books). @ColinIsCool @DharmaHelper @JaggedJimmyJay Pick an item. Remember you can't pick the same item as yesterday. Elite Floo powder. My house. :nicenod: Kyle and I made up a secret code and now it's going to waste...

For what it’s worth, I remember INH OMGUSing me hard when he was bad once. I also remember him reacting strongly against suspicions when he was town though. In general I think he’s more receptive of theories against his own when he’s town. Based on this, INH is probably scum. :kadaj...

Shiiiit. Kyle was my transfiguration homework hookup. And good job vig You got rid of a grifindor :keys: If all the Griffendors are dead, they can't win the house cup. Then Hufflepuff might have a chance! ... aw who am I kidding. Dumbledore would still give GD a couple hundred points out of nowhere at the very end of the year with some nonsense reference to chess games and following your heart...

GTH babey ColinIsCool - town DharmaHelper - town insertnamehere - town JaggedJimmyJay - town Kylemii - scum Bullzeye - town Epignosis - town Glorfindel - town Owner of a Lonely Heart - town poutanko - town Soneji - scum juliets - scum Long Con - town Lunalee - scum MacDougall - scum Quin - town Jackofhearts2005 - town karavalenge - scum lapluie - town timmer - town >why did you read Jay as Town then scum this DP? >do you still has same read on MacD? You voted him last DP. >what made you read lapluie as Town? Considering how vague Nutella’s suspicions on me are and how her case on Jay is just “fight me,” this rainbow and her current suspicions look made up. I've begun staring at the polls for awhile now, slightly drunk on port... The deathly Hallows cannot be transferred, it says. Do you think a baddie could have started with a hallow? No reason they couldn’t...

RIP Civs, and great job vig again! Or alternate vig? :shrug2: jigglyjameeljafar he's most likely inh teammate fight me Why? Day 1, Jay built a case against INH and voted for him. Jay calls INH out for his player salad , which included Jay There are multiple other interactions of Jay quoting INH and calling him bad. So I don't see it. @nutella you going to respond? This JJJ vote of yours is spicy and fun, but could use some savoury goodness. Here's the opportunity to try out your new recipe. Tbh it was mostly inspired by the "maaaayybe Jay" in INH's salad post, combined with INH's overall progression on Jay. For a while in his iso it looks like Jay is maybe his top suspect but he drops down to that "maaaayyybe" without much explanation. So it's sort of a hunch stemming from that, I'm still sorting out whether I think that on the other side of the coin Jay would be likely to have gone after a teammate in the way he went after INH. I was looking for a past game example of Jay bussing, but his only scum game I could remember was the Phenon Origins sock game and that was a weird one where roles weren't revealed and I couldn't quite draw a comparison (also I don't even really remember how it went down, you were the sacrifice right? maybe you could help) so anyway the jury's still kinda out on that I don’t see this in INH’s iso at all. I did see this, though, which seems to look more like an accusation than distancing. alrighty now catching up, but literally popped into the most recent page to post about how I'm townreading Kara the most and wishing that JJJ was in one of his moody self-loathing moods instead of his SUUUUUUUUUPATOWN (PAY ATTENTION TO THE WORDS I SPEAK) moods. Not sure if/how that impacts his alignment, but he's certainly TALKING VERY LOUD, and making GRAND SWEEPING DECLARATIVE STATEMENTS ABOUT THE PROPER WAY TO PLAY MAFIA. It's like he tried posting differently on D1, got a negative response, then reverted back to his standard shtick. Then, I see this stupid post by Juliets. Juliets, you're a lovely person, and a wonderful fixture in this community, but this is like the second game that you've pushed this weird forced "low-posting INH = bad INH" thing. It's dumb. I'm at a point in my life where my mafia time is limited. I have just finished another game, and started the sign up process for a game that I'm hosting. Yesterday was a holiday. This thread is, in standard Full Job fashion, too damn long. There's no way that I could be whatever the fuck you'd call a "high performing INH" right now. My level of activity is dependent on the length/density of the thread, the amount of games I'm concurrently playing/hosting, and the things happening in my life. Not what alignment I am. So, please kindly stop pushing this idea. It irks me. Still have like 6 pages to get through. Will continually update with more commentary. PS: Day 1's are, have been, and always will be random garbage-y crapshoots barring major fuckery. Okay, inh is town Nutella is too quick to buy INH's response. I get that he's busy and has limited time for mafia. But when he does have time to post, his content still pings me as not fully genuine. Maybe I'm just a skeptic, but giving commentary on what's happening in the game, giving out fluffy/non reads, defending your own meta, and using the "busy" excuse, however true it may be, just makes me more inclined to suspect that you are scum. So far INH's reads are Kara is town, JJJ looks a "tad suspicious," and Owner should be lynched. I currently think Kara looks suspicious, and see no reason to town read him. Sort of agree with the JJJ thing, and disagree that Owner should be lynched. well gee wilikers, I'm sorry that my opinions aren't enough for you Luna. Not sure where the hell you got the "fluffy non-reads" from. Scumreading JJJ, Owner, and Juliets currently. Townreading Kara, because her responses to folks attacking her sound hella genuine to me. Apologies that my ""busy" excuse" just makes you more inclined to scumread me. You're certainly entitled to your own opinion. If you want to unduly dismiss everything I've said in this game and view it in the most negative possible light for no other substantive reason other than "I'm a skeptic," then, well, you can certainly choose to do that. Okay, but how do you feel about nutella's quick acceptance that you must be town based on your response? Not great in the context of her quick condemnation of me earlier. Then again, you were the one who started the whole condemnation conga, based on my dastardly practice of providing commentary on the thread. Hey, I've noticed scum make long but meaningless posts by providing commentary on the thread before, so when I saw a hint of that in your posts, it set off alarm bells. But lol, you don't feel great about nutella for her quick flop on you, but "I started it" by expressing my suspicions? But that's not what I did, Luna. Let me explain: you started the "condemnation conga" by jumping on JJJ's weak case against me with vague-ass reasoning. Then, Nutella jumps on board, then off board. Y'all both don't look great. Better look for Luna than Nutella but still good for Nutella. INH never lead in votes right...

I'm a bit lit. I'm hot liking long con :grin: :haha: :clap...

Is Jack bad? To the bone. :mafia: But I ain't no death eater. The llama method says that baddies are made uncomfortable by direct statements of their alignment. It used to be that they’d have trouble denying their badness at all, but once that became an established tell folks adapted to it. Now the tell, if it really exists, would awkwardly worded answers. I’ve read like 5 of Jack’s posts but this one had the ring of someone who was being too careful to sound casual. So read the rest of my posts, Loony. *sneers...

In all seriousness though, lit!timmer might have a point. Even regardless of owner's alignment I could read LC as bad. Looking at his ISO I'ma just pull out the top 3 most suspicious posts at face value: here and here are two examples of eager-as-a-puppy hopping onto other people's potential easy reasons to go after someone and this could be what some like to call the "caught for the wrong reasons" tell ok that was a fun exercise but from looking through his ISO I think he has more posts that leave me with town feelings than posts that don't :shrug2: what might merit deeper analysis is his d2 case against Luna that he seemed pretty confident in a while but he eventually switched to INH, and that could be teammate compatible since I think he'd have reason to be confident that an INH lynch wasn't going to take flight by that point :ponder: Well, at least it means LC unlikely teamed with Nutella, Luna, Owner...

I'm struggling to pst what I wantto say properly, I'm a bit lit. I'll write it better tomorrow but I'm hot liking long con s vote history and vote timing... I think it is vey possible he saved owner day 1. I think his inh vote needs more study too. He's been very manipulative with his voting strategy and his early stated aim to be hallow hunting makes for easy cover for those late votes I'll try to lay it out better tomorrow Well, it's very '100% accurate' that I saved Owner on Day 1, not just 'possible'. It was tied between Owner and TH, and I voted TH in the last minute. I don't think the INH vote was that late... it was late in my personal timeline, but there were a couple of hours left in the lynch, and I wasn't in contention for any Hallows that time. Lay it out better tomorrow, Lit. Yeah, LC/Owner not w/w...

Sloane...

Ugh, please don't call me eager-as-a-puppy. *rubs head* You’re as eager as a kitten, aren’t you...

I really appreciate the general aesthetic of the thread right now. A handful of dedicated Mafia players are discussing the way forward, while JJJ is in the back room with his head buried in the books working out the deep cut research. It's a fun mental image. :biggrin: Keep going...

Who looks worse in relation to INH: luna or nutella? It seems like they're unlikely to both be partnered with INH, unless they went all in on a bussing triangle. Nutella. The vague “okay INH is town” and the “lol I forgot INH is in this game cause we are no w/w” bits aren’t great. With Luna, it’s all about “awkward” exchanges but I think Luna just sometimes comes across as sketchy. Notice the “awkwardness” is from Luna. There’s not really any from INH...

I was curious because maybe part of why I'm picking up good vibes from nutella is simply that she's voting alongside me, so I went back to trace her Jack case prior to this very moment and... well, it doesn't exist. What does exist is this list of GTH reads: GTH babey ColinIsCool - town DharmaHelper - town insertnamehere - town JaggedJimmyJay - town Kylemii - scum Bullzeye - town Epignosis - town Glorfindel - town Owner of a Lonely Heart - town poutanko - town Soneji - scum juliets - scum Long Con - town Lunalee - scum MacDougall - scum Quin - town Jackofhearts2005 - town karavalenge - scum lapluie - town timmer - town Scum reads in red. Compare that to her more recent ON NOTICE list: MacDougall JaggedJimmyJay Jackofhearts2005 Long Con Glorfindel karavalenge Mac and kara are the only consistencies. Three of her initial scum reads are dead and one of her town reads has flipped town, so a little re-shuffling is bound to be in order. I don't fault nutella for that. I am curious as to how these are the names that came out of that shuffling though. I already asked her about Jack and her answer satisfied me in the moment but now that I've got my scrutiny specs on I'm gonna want more. What prompted the initial town read and why has that changed? Wasn’t her answer just “What Sloonei said + gut?”why did that satisfy you...

I was curious because maybe part of why I'm picking up good vibes from nutella is simply that she's voting alongside me, so I went back to trace her Jack case prior to this very moment and... well, it doesn't exist. What does exist is this list of GTH reads: GTH babey ColinIsCool - town DharmaHelper - town insertnamehere - town JaggedJimmyJay - town Kylemii - scum Bullzeye - town Epignosis - town Glorfindel - town Owner of a Lonely Heart - town poutanko - town Soneji - scum juliets - scum Long Con - town Lunalee - scum MacDougall - scum Quin - town Jackofhearts2005 - town karavalenge - scum lapluie - town timmer - town Scum reads in red. Compare that to her more recent ON NOTICE list: MacDougall JaggedJimmyJay Jackofhearts2005 Long Con Glorfindel karavalenge Mac and kara are the only consistencies. Three of her initial scum reads are dead and one of her town reads has flipped town, so a little re-shuffling is bound to be in order. I don't fault nutella for that. I am curious as to how these are the names that came out of that shuffling though. I already asked her about Jack and her answer satisfied me in the moment but now that I've got my scrutiny specs on I'm gonna want more. What prompted the initial town read and why has that changed? Jack's jokey/gimmicky style had me figuring he was town for the first couple phases, but as time went on I started to notice that he hadn't really been contributing real content alongside the jokes, and so I decided I have no legitimate basis on which to townread him and that he could be coasting on the flow of the thread. Hogwash...

GTH babey ColinIsCool - town DharmaHelper - town insertnamehere - town JaggedJimmyJay - town Kylemii - scum Bullzeye - town Epignosis - town Glorfindel - town Owner of a Lonely Heart - town poutanko - town Soneji - scum juliets - scum Long Con - town Lunalee - scum MacDougall - scum Quin - town Jackofhearts2005 - town karavalenge - scum lapluie - town timmer - town >why did you read Jay as Town then scum this DP? >do you still has same read on MacD? You voted him last DP. >what made you read lapluie as Town? Considering how vague Nutella’s suspicions on me are and how her case on Jay is just “fight me,” this rainbow and her current suspicions look made up. and you quoted me because? https://image.ibb.co/jr6pgL/04-2.png Because I didn’t want to mess with the quote on mobile to only have Nutella’s rainbow...

Anyone remember the wagon before it changed to Soneji? I don't want to track the vote posts and make a list (￣▽￣) I believe that before the Soneji wagon swelled, the prevailing two wagons were on Lunalee and Bullzeye. Owner also had multiple votes. Do you remember Luna voters and Owner's? I only remember Bullz because I made a note of that. At a glance it appears their voters did not move to Soneji. Soneji's living voters: Lunalee - previously voted Bullzeye (?) and karavalenge Jack - previously voted Glorfindel (who also had a two-vote wagon for a bit I think) timmer - previously voted karavalenge (brief two vote wagon alongside Luna) The Owner and Luna voters mostly appear to have stayed put (kara, Colin / INH, DH, Soneji respectively). Anyone should correct me on these things if necessary. @Lunalee @Jackofhearts2005 @timmerWhat's your current read on those you voted before you guys moved to Soneji? https://image.ibb.co/fPsEQ0/4-8-2.png My vote was iirc a placeholder vote when I decided to move it off someone else. Changed my opinion of Luna? Doesn’t really matter. I had a slight suspicion of Glor and still do. Nothing Glor said after I voted for him really changed that read...

And there was never a second Glor vote...

Okay thanks for the tip...

I coulda sworn I said more things about INH but they were probably in my floochat with Kyle :...

I coulda sworn I said more things about INH but they were probably in my floochat with Kyle :/ Oh. The dead guy. :| You got something to say, come out and say it...