The Syndicate

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:29 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:28 am I don’t understand why anyone in this game suspects me.

I’ve heard one reason for me being suspected today and it’s that Epi doesn’t think I have original thoughts, which is a damn silly thing to say as everyone else is complaining that my reads are too counter to the consensus.

What are your reads?

Why do you think I have no original thoughts if you don’t know what my reads are?

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:31 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:29 am So as usual, there is scum on my wagon. Except my wagon is like most of the players so...

You don't even know that you have a wagon.

I’ve been in every player’s bottom 3 at some point and at least 3 players’ bottom 3 right now.

With no real case.

Someone is faking suspicion on me. Probably a couple someones. Probably you.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:31 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:30 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:29 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:28 am I don’t understand why anyone in this game suspects me.

I’ve heard one reason for me being suspected today and it’s that Epi doesn’t think I have original thoughts, which is a damn silly thing to say as everyone else is complaining that my reads are too counter to the consensus.

What are your reads?

Why do you think I have no original thoughts if you don’t know what my reads are?

See... that's the exact problem.

Yeah, that is a problem.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:34 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:33 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:31 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:29 am So as usual, there is scum on my wagon. Except my wagon is like most of the players so...

You don't even know that you have a wagon.

I’ve been in every player’s bottom 3 at some point and at least 3 players’ bottom 3 right now.

With no real case.

Someone is faking suspicion on me. Probably a couple someones. Probably you.

That's a spicy meatball.

Do tell.

The second I posted it, my brain went “but maybe not Dom because Dom always suspects you.”

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:36 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:35 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:31 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:30 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:29 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:28 am I don’t understand why anyone in this game suspects me.

I’ve heard one reason for me being suspected today and it’s that Epi doesn’t think I have original thoughts, which is a damn silly thing to say as everyone else is complaining that my reads are too counter to the consensus.

What are your reads?

Why do you think I have no original thoughts if you don’t know what my reads are?

See... that's the exact problem.

Yeah, that is a problem.

You have the third most posts in this thread and I can't recall a single position you've taken.

Who’s fault do you think that is? I have very very very clear positions that I have numbered and explained multiple times. Read the damn thread, Dom. Form some educated opinions so that when you say things, I can evaluate if you’re a townie or a wolf.

Okay so maybe I explained my read on Radishes better on a thread nobody can see. That’s on me.

My other reads are pretty damn clear.
[mention]Dom[/mention]

I don’t even know how I feel about Radishes today cause he seems more reasonable.

I don’t know how to make a 3 person dartboard. It’s 2 people or 5 people.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:16 am Also Jackofhearts2005 spin me some of your reads directly so that I can retain knowledge of them and maybe I can finally form an opinion about you rather than sticking you in the bottom because I can’t get a grasp on what you’re doing?

Okay so if I’m talking about independent scumreads, I assume you’ve seen my big thing on Rabbit. I’m not getting a tone of agreement on it though. I also don’t like the push on quieter players yesterday.

Then Pawn basically has consensus reads and I don’t know why he has some of them. Like why he suspects me or trusts Rabbit. Feels fake and convenient. Ditto on the quiet player reads yesterday. In fairness, maybe he explained his reads better yesterday. I kinda think he didn’t. I remember asking for players with way different reads than me had those reads and I think only Radish really answered the question.

Radishes seemed like he was making unreasonable pushes on Eva and Epi yesterday. Same story on the quiet player scumreads.

Epi’s read on me is pretty garbo.

Dom has been more aggression than garbo and is sheepish some bad Epi reads. Buuuuut Dom always suspects me.

Colin, I don’t have a lot of reason to trust or suspect.

I townread Eva off the Drago flip and generally looking town. I townread you for effort without ever looking agenday. I did townread Epi but he basically told me not to. Idk.

That’s kinda where I’m at.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:29 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:16 am Also Jackofhearts2005 spin me some of your reads directly so that I can retain knowledge of them and maybe I can finally form an opinion about you rather than sticking you in the bottom because I can’t get a grasp on what you’re doing?

Okay so if I’m talking about independent scumreads, I assume you’ve seen my big thing on Rabbit. I’m not getting a tone of agreement on it though. I also don’t like the push on quieter players yesterday.

Then Pawn basically has consensus reads and I don’t know why he has some of them. Like why he suspects me or trusts Rabbit. Feels fake and convenient. Ditto on the quiet player reads yesterday. In fairness, maybe he explained his reads better yesterday. I kinda think he didn’t. I remember asking for players with way different reads than me had those reads and I think only Radish really answered the question.

Radishes seemed like he was making unreasonable pushes on Eva and Epi yesterday. Same story on the quiet player scumreads.

Epi’s read on me is pretty garbo.

Dom has been more aggression than garbo and is sheepish some bad Epi reads. Buuuuut Dom always suspects me.

Colin, I don’t have a lot of reason to trust or suspect.

I townread Eva off the Drago flip and generally looking town. I townread you for effort without ever looking agenday. I did townread Epi but he basically told me not to. Idk.

That’s kinda where I’m at.

I forgot to say Radishes has seemed more reasonable today.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:28 am i mean dom also pretty much tmi'd epignosis town if he's scum

A scum Pawn might do the same for you and Radishes.

I don’t expect we’ll get a flip though.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:31 am jack can we agree on pawn/radishes/dom and call it a day

I’m close to there.

I wanna see more from all three players.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:33 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:28 am i mean dom also pretty much tmi'd epignosis town if he's scum

epignosis is like the rational voice the scum mostly townread until pawn was forced to flip on epig a bit...?

i don't know what this means.

If you’re a wolf and you just grabbed Epi’s reads, you didn’t do it because you’re teamed with Epi. You did it because you’re not.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:30 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:29 am Dom has been more aggression than garbo and is sheepish some bad Epi reads. Buuuuut Dom always suspects me.

Jack I honestly read this about a dozen times and I still don't know what it says.

“Dom has been more aggressive than anything and his reads are garbage and he adopted some reads from Epi that I disagree with. However, he always suspects me so that should be taken into account.”

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:38 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:33 am whats reason for your unaligned read on pawn/radishes

i know mine and idk whether to trust it

Jackofhearts2005

this question was for you

you mentioned you think pawn tmi'd radishes town?

where?

He’s basically copy pasted all his reads from you and Radish.

I may not be about to back this up without going back to D2 but I’m not seeing independent thought from Pawn.

I really hate mobile post searching without isos on the front page js.

Lol somebody repost Pawn’s readlist and also a post where Epi made a 1) 2) 3) thing and then Dom responded to it like “totes those are now my reads.”

Lol Dom would you be mad if I said “all of them?”

These back and forth walls from Pawn and Eva just make my eyes glaze over.

Maybe all the Syndicate players are just mafia.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:28 pm These back and forth walls from Pawn and Eva just make my eyes glaze over.

Some of this shit is super unimportant like “Why did you forget Michelle is in the game?”

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It all boils down to Eva hissing at Pawn and Pawn being like “What you’re failing to take into consideration is that irl, I am a wolf.”

Pawn, convince me your thoughts are independent and not sheeped from other players. Give me spicy stuff.

What if Nanook was a wolf and the wolves killed him to throw us off their trail?


https://inception.davepedu.com/inception.mp3

Alright I’m caught up and here for the next twenty minutes or so. AMA.

Also I want to know where [mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] and [mention]Master Radishes[/mention] are at since I’ve barely talked to you today.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:15 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:14 pm Also I want to know where @ColinIsCool and @Master Radishes are at since I’ve barely talked to you today.

Was at work. Now making dinner. Have finished reading up on Pawn and Eva's...spat. Formulating thoughts.

AMA.

Those are exactly the thoughts I’m looking for.

Would also like some thoughts on the Rabbit/Dom/Me exchanges from last night.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:20 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:19 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:15 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:14 pm Also I want to know where @ColinIsCool and @Master Radishes are at since I’ve barely talked to you today.

Was at work. Now making dinner. Have finished reading up on Pawn and Eva's...spat. Formulating thoughts.

AMA.

Those are exactly the thoughts I’m looking for.

Would also like some thoughts on the Rabbit/Dom/Me exchanges from last night.

I'll trade you my thoughts for your thoughts.


As for you/Dom/Rabbit, I'll need to reread later. Dinner first.

The spiciest of Pawn thoughts were not exactly Kotomine level mapu tofu. I find myself unmoved.

I found a lot of Eva’s questions to be worthless ie nitpicky about things that wouldn’t be alignment indicative...and then Pawn went along with it anyway. I think that spews Eva town if Pawn is scum (like she needs the help). I’m not 100% sure what it means that Pawn went along with everything so calmly. He’s telling us that his meta is calm and calculated regardless of alignment.

So who’re your three atm?

I’m seeing a lot of townreads on consensus suspects or your former suspects in your iso.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:54 pm Actually, revised opinion of Jack - if he's a wolf, he's content to slank by, confident we won't end up on him. That world exists too still. But he's not at all trying to manipulate events in the way.

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I know you’re saying this like “so Jack is probably town” but I still object to a characterization of me as “slanking” and “not trying to manipulate events” by someone with half my post and seemingly no scumreads.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:15 pm reads off reads off

post the reads you had d1 and d2, both of you

This is dated on Halloween. That’s probably early D2?

Town
Nutella
Mac
Epi
Creature

Maybe town
Benson
Eva
Michelle
Sprityo
Boopiny

Null
Nova
Quin
DF
Juliets
LC
Pawn
Tony
TL
Dom
LadyLD

Maybe scum
Nanook
Vanity

Scum vote pool
Radishes
Ifaar
112

I know. Super against the grain. Reads on people in the previous dream.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:28 pm I can confirm jack misspelled my name that exact way in his d2 readslist I remember this

Lol locktown amiright?

My 3 are now Pawn/Dom/Colin.

Oof

Lol what the hell.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:04 pm You are no longer restricted in stating suspicions or intent to vote. You are only restricted in revealing past private votes. Any questions, give us a holler.

Thank fucking mod.

Oh man, I am all about the butt.

And I could make a decent case for every player here being town or scum. I figure there must be a wolf here or there wouldn’t be a lynch and they must be at least one wolf in whoever went down to the last level cause of the dickbutt plan.

No lynch or nk tho.

I’m looking forward to it lol.

I watched the rest of Inception last night too.

I need to look up how they do the JGL rotating hotel fight scene cause it’s nuts and I don’t see any wires or convenient cuts.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:17 pm jack could you outline how your read on radishes evolved last phase?

He was in my lunch pool to start but he seemed really nice and reasonable and Epi looked less honest, which downplayed Radish’s suspect push on him. Also Radish made no further suspect pushes.

Idk if he’s town but gth he probably is.

ColinIsCool (Rej) - Could have been lynched
Dom - Here
Epignosis - Here
Evenstar - Probably not lynched
iaafr - Here
Jackofhearts2005 - Here
Master Radishes - Probably not lynched
Pawn Lelouch - Could have been lynched
sprityo - Could have been lynched

So final level is at least one of Eve, Radishes and probably two of Colin, Pawn, Sprityo and probably just one or two wolvesin the whole grouping.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:23 pm ColinIsCool (Rej) - Could have been lynched
Dom - Here
Epignosis - Here
Evenstar - Probably not lynched
iaafr - Here
Jackofhearts2005 - Here
Master Radishes - Probably not lynched
Pawn Lelouch - Could have been lynched
sprityo - Could have been lynched

So final level is at least one of Eve, Radishes and probably two of Colin, Pawn, Sprityo and probably just one or two wolvesin the whole grouping.

For all the use this is for today.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:21 pm nice and reasonable are like general scumtells in my book rofl

I know but I suspected him initially for being unreasonable bordering on fake.

God, I would fucking hate trying to pull a wolf out of Colin/Pawn.

Also what if they still can’t call their votes at the deepest level.

“I’m voting for Colin, Pawn or myself.”

I promise to just tell jokes and go off gut cause we’re at lylo numbers with one flip who iirc, none of us voted for.

I’m obviously town but I have 3 lives so suspect me all you want.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:48 pm

Epi, Rorschach is a villain.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:17 pm I need to look up how they do the JGL rotating hotel fight scene cause it’s nuts and I don’t see any wires or convenient cuts.

it's a rotating room. also jgl is a thottie

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:23 pm ColinIsCool (Rej) - Could have been lynched
Dom - Here
Epignosis - Here
Evenstar - Probably not lynched
iaafr - Here
Jackofhearts2005 - Here
Master Radishes - Probably not lynched
Pawn Lelouch - Could have been lynched
sprityo - Could have been lynched

So final level is at least one of Eve, Radishes and probably two of Colin, Pawn, Sprityo and probably just one or two wolvesin the whole grouping.

I don't know what you are trying to say here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:42 pm I’m obviously town but I have 3 lives so suspect me all you want.

Why are you so sure of how this works?

For real?

The entire point of inception is a group of people (let’s call them “the mafia”) go into a dream within a dream within a dream within a dream and change Killian Murphy’s mind. Meanwhile, someone is left at every level to “kick” the rest of the team, waking them up at the correct time.

D1, we lynched Drago and it said he woke up and he flipped. For those of us who recently watched the movie, this would be the “rainy van chase dream level.”

D2 we descended to a new dream level. Let’s call it “the hotel dream level.” We lynched presumably Nova and the mafia nightkilled presumably Nanook but they didn’t flip. They were “kicked.” I assume (and Colin said the same early yesterday) this means they were kicked awake back to the first dream level, back to the original thread.

D3 we descended to dream level 3 which we can call “the artic base dream level,” again leaving players behind. We seemingly lynched Colin or Pawn (I missed this bit, which might be why my chart is confusing) and the other was nightkilled. Again, they were described as “kicked,” not “woken up” and in theory have now woken up in the 2nd/hotel dream level.

D4, we have not changed threads. We’re still at the artic base while several players disappeared. It is very likely they went to “limbo” the final dream level.

Now. There is a wolf in limbo. The mafia’s goal (at least in the movie) is to send someone to limbo and do a thing. And there’s probably a wolf here based on us having a lynch (except I have since realized there is a no lynch option so there’s a chance to have no wolves here I guess.

So my chart was an attempt to figure out who might have gone to limbo and who didn’t because there’s at least one wolf in limbo. But we actually know it’s Eva, Radishes, Sprityo.

So that’s what I was trying to say and that’s why I think I have 3 lives. I think we all do. Death sends us from the artic to the hotel, again from the hotel to the rainy chase scene and once more to wake up and flip, leaving the game.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:48 pm

Epi, Rorschach is a villain.

Greatest hero of all time.

“No compromise, even in the face of armageddon” is a rather libertarian point of view, isn’t it?