The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:43 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:17 pm I need to look up how they do the JGL rotating hotel fight scene cause it’s nuts and I don’t see any wires or convenient cuts.
it's a rotating room. also jgl is a thottie

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:23 pm ColinIsCool (Rej) - Could have been lynched
Dom - Here
Epignosis - Here
Evenstar - Probably not lynched
iaafr - Here
Jackofhearts2005 - Here
Master Radishes - Probably not lynched
Pawn Lelouch - Could have been lynched
sprityo - Could have been lynched

So final level is at least one of Eve, Radishes and probably two of Colin, Pawn, Sprityo and probably just one or two wolvesin the whole grouping.
I don't know what you are trying to say here.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:42 pm I’m obviously town but I have 3 lives so suspect me all you want.
Why are you so sure of how this works?
For real?

The entire point of inception is a group of people (let’s call them “the mafia”) go into a dream within a dream within a dream within a dream and change Killian Murphy’s mind. Meanwhile, someone is left at every level to “kick” the rest of the team, waking them up at the correct time.

D1, we lynched Drago and it said he woke up and he flipped. For those of us who recently watched the movie, this would be the “rainy van chase dream level.”

D2 we descended to a new dream level. Let’s call it “the hotel dream level.” We lynched presumably Nova and the mafia nightkilled presumably Nanook but they didn’t flip. They were “kicked.” I assume (and Colin said the same early yesterday) this means they were kicked awake back to the first dream level, back to the original thread.

D3 we descended to dream level 3 which we can call “the artic base dream level,” again leaving players behind. We seemingly lynched Colin or Pawn (I missed this bit, which might be why my chart is confusing) and the other was nightkilled. Again, they were described as “kicked,” not “woken up” and in theory have now woken up in the 2nd/hotel dream level.

D4, we have not changed threads. We’re still at the artic base while several players disappeared. It is very likely they went to “limbo” the final dream level.

Now. There is a wolf in limbo. The mafia’s goal (at least in the movie) is to send someone to limbo and do a thing. And there’s probably a wolf here based on us having a lynch (except I have since realized there is a no lynch option so there’s a chance to have no wolves here I guess.

So my chart was an attempt to figure out who might have gone to limbo and who didn’t because there’s at least one wolf in limbo. But we actually know it’s Eva, Radishes, Sprityo.

So that’s what I was trying to say and that’s why I think I have 3 lives. I think we all do. Death sends us from the artic to the hotel, again from the hotel to the rainy chase scene and once more to wake up and flip, leaving the game.
That's fun, but boy oh boy is that huge waste of my goddamn precious time.

There are 100 types of people in this world. Some of them don’t like games like Chicka Chicka 1-2-3 and some of them are primes.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:02 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:54 pm why is Dom town again, epi?

I have my own reasons but I waver on them. would like you to restate yours sometime.
His role says so?

That's the why.

If you mean "Why do I think that," then it would be more difficult to explain. I think Dom and I have both matured in ways the two of us can appreciate, and I think we have more in common than either of us would admit. I simply see that coming to fruition in Mafia. I think Dom and I think similarly- we just reach different conclusions (see how he and I still had different opinions of you and Radishes, for instance, even though we agreed quite a bit about things).

Dom does not feel manipulative.

That said, nobody needs to be manipulative if Jack is right about the setup.

Suppose I am right. What next?

Cause the answer isn’t to lynch scum before they reach Limbo because even we we lynched scum at the deepest level three days in a row, they probably still have enough players to reach limbo.

The answer isn’t to win “lylo” at the deepest level because then what are we even doing here?

And the answer isn’t to ignore the dream levels and lynch the mafia out of the dream because after they do whatever, the mafia should want to be kicked.

So I’m not sure what the game even is at this point.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:16 pm File this under "Don't put it on the Internet if you don't want us to see it."

https://rateyourmusic.com/list/JaggedJi ... e-history/

Date: Feb 2015

Moderators: JaggedJimmyJay and Sloonei

Winning faction: Scum

[deleted]: this was a great game. i think there were 20 or 25 players total. it basically went so that a handful players went into a "lower-level thread" each day and after 5 days they all went back to the the higher level thread. each thread would lynch one person, the top-level lynchee would die and the other ones would just go back to a lower thread. look, it sound more complicated than it really was. town was doing really well for a while but ultimately the wheels fell off and scum got the win. rdw was a rogue doing weird shit. there were a lot of posts. so many posts. i somehow figured out monkeyballs was scum but couldnt get anyone to believe me.

So it is as simple as punching the mafia.

*lynching*

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:35 pm [VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

Shoulda saved that wowee emoji.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:35 pm [VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

Shoulda saved that wowee emoji.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:40 pm For example: If you do not believe what happens in here is a straight up lynch, then there is no reason to go about spending our time being accusatory.

But if you believe this is a lynch, then we need to be accusatory and go from there.

I’m am about 98% sure whoever gets lynched today just gets kicked back to yesterday’s thread.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:42 pm We may well be in a realm without stupid girls where we can drink beer* and make fart jokes** and watch sports.***

*Or Kool-Aid for iaafr

**Or jokes about straight people for Dom

***Or anime for Jack

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:43 pm For Jack. Not anime of Jack. That would be awful and might involve tentacles.

Alternative joke:

Spoiler: show

Err two days ago’s thread.

Fake news polls....

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:08 pm i want to change my user title to mayor of gaytown

DDL changes user titles if you ask him. I told him to make mine something funny and he did.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:10 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:07 pm If this is where we are, then I think our time now should be spent coaching iaafr on our opinions of others. iaafr, please record our views so you have them.

Let's ruin the mafia.
Beware of Jack though since he's mafia and will likely mislead you.

If I was mafia, I’d be Ken Watanabe because I can’t be lynched, much less lynched 4 times and I’d get stuck down here alone forever.

So it’s good I’m not cause that sounds terrible.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:20 pm I think I can do it :P I just don't know how tbh

I only know how to change group user titles.

Hence Nova.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:21 pm Can we please coach iaafr for now? Worry about titles later?

Okay. We’re all in agreement there is exactly one wolf in Sprityo, Eva, Radish, yeah?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:23 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:22 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:21 pm Can we please coach iaafr for now? Worry about titles later?
Okay. We’re all in agreement there is exactly one wolf in Sprityo, Eva, Radish, yeah?
I'm not. If I had to gamble, I'd say they're all good.

Then what the fuck are they doing not here?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:23 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:23 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:22 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:21 pm Can we please coach iaafr for now? Worry about titles later?
Okay. We’re all in agreement there is exactly one wolf in Sprityo, Eva, Radish, yeah?
I'm not. If I had to gamble, I'd say they're all good.
Then what the fuck are they doing not here?
Having a picnic in the arctic?

No, we’re in the artic.

Here I found a map.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:28 pm How'd the three of them get down there and why are we still here?

Somebody who is a wolf went into somebody’s dream and the ones that aren’t a wolf went there subconsciously to stop the wolf. We’re here having a picnic in the artic.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:30 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:29 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:28 pm How'd the three of them get down there and why are we still here?
Somebody who is a wolf went into somebody’s dream and the ones that aren’t a wolf went there subconsciously to stop the wolf. We’re here having a picnic in the artic.
How confident are you on that? Scale of Marth to Ike?

Marth?

I haven’t beaten either of their games. I’m not Hector confident.

I’m Roy confident.

I mean, if everyone at the bottom level is town, don’t we just win? Or are they dead or what?

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:34 pm we gotta form the brain trust and feed me all your reads before you kill me thinking youre sending me back to the upper level it'll be hilarious

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:34 pm I know nothing about Fire Emblem except that Kirby kicks all their asses.

It’s basically like

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:57 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:49 pm I mean if epi and Dom are both town then yes pawn is likely scum whose entire agenda was to keep me and Eva sussing you two
i'd buy that
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:53 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:49 pm I mean if epi and Dom are both town then yes pawn is likely scum whose entire agenda was to keep me and Eva sussing you two
Pawns argument against me was one that I could in no way dispute, and not even because there are no previous thread to allude to.

Notice that Pawn made no move against me until I made one against him. Then he came up with this "Well I've been thinking about the Nanook kill more and more."

BULLSHIT.

Lynch him please.
this is jack's view on me tbh

Yeah, I don’t really see any option bet Radish next to Sprityo and Eva. More sure on Sprityo being town but Eva seems pretty darn clean too.

I still think Pawn is bad.

I still don’t have a great read on Dom.

None of that is that helpful today.

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:21 am jack what's your progression on Dom again?

I'm probably going to see the d3 in iso but what about d1 d2

Um...I don’t know if I’m allowed to say?

He’s seemed like town!Dom or just Dom cause I’ve never seen wolf!Dom.

At one point, when I felt there were some dishonest pushes on me, I thought one could have come from Dom but then decided probably not.

I’ve been unsure for most of the game.

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:20 am and if there's 2 scum on this layer it's epi and Dom but idk Eva's right I don't think an epi Dom scumteam ever plays this game like they did...

anyway I just want to believe we're supposed to vote scum so yeah aborting the voting me idea

[VOTE: Dom] aubergine

I think his treatment of pawn was awkward too, @Epignosis I'd like you to reread Dom's posts around the time you started suspecting pawn. he was especially insightful about how he treated you and him differently, as if he was hyper aware of what pawn was doing. I don't believe that pawn wouldn't bus in this setup.

That’s a big part of the problem.

It’s a lot easier to bus if you have multiple lives.

It’s also a lot easier to not bus when you can’t have a clear top suspect and votes are hidden.

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:23 am epi and Jack are just so much more robust and holistic in their treatment of gameplay

if there is a scum it is dom

FYI I had to look up what “holistic” means.

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:29 am I think I have to believe if we kill Dom the scum in this layer we all get to go back one layer up after the final layer resolves?

Maybe?

That makes the bottom layer worthless.

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:35 am also jack I don't think creatures town in this game man

Why?

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:36 am I mean I guess all the complainings Towny of him but doesn't he have to do that as scum

meh maybe I was wrong on that one

He tends to complain more as town and joke more as scum.

Don’t tell him I said that.

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:48 am if there's a third scum in the previous phase I still believe it's radishes

I mean, Radishes is the first wolf. Pawn is the second. Dom is maybe the third if there’s a third.

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:50 am so jack was 2 for 3 and I got pocketed by both scum for awhile because it's what was convenient for them while everybody else except Eva sussed me

Guess I’m just champs material.

I’ll take the cred now and hope if I’m wrong, people forget by game end.

I’m not certain there’s a wolf at all at this level. If there is, I’m not certain it’s Dom. Like I townread Epi for most of the game and then he told me my read on him was stupid.

What’s the disadvantage to lynching if there is no wolf?

We’re lynching Radishes tomorrow regardless.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:55 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:40 am @Dom

you seem to be under the impression Jack's unfairly tunneling you? can you quote where you started feeling that?
Nah.
Jack didn't say shit about me until people told him to have opinions or die. So he went with the suspicion de jour.
Jack read me as bad out of nowhere and seems to have dropped it out of nowhere. Just think his reads aren't organic whatsoever.

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:23 am epi and Jack are just so much more robust and holistic in their treatment of gameplay

if there is a scum it is dom
....Jack is being robust and holistic?
This is a load of barnacles.

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:35 am also jack I don't think creatures town in this game man
How the hell do you have an opinion on a player we haven't seen since Day 1 and have no clue that they're still even in the game?

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:43 am pawns entry on Dom was also strange

he called Dom like overaggressive etc but didn't really link it to how he's scum like he did with his other scumreads

at least iirc im not gonna look yet

it'll be fun to see if I remembered pawns dom thing being weird

I definitely think pawn/Dom makes sense as a pairing

and it might've just been 7v2
I need you to think carefully about why there's approximately a 0% chance I'm aligned with you, pawn, or eva.

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:46 am I also believe MacDougall is town, still.
1) How do you know Macdougall is still in the game?
2) Why do you have a strong opinion on someone who you haven't seen for two game phases?

Shrug city.

The disadvantage to no lynching (scum present or not) very much depends on what happens when a team is eliminated from the top later altogether.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:16 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:01 am
iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:48 am if there's a third scum in the previous phase I still believe it's radishes
I mean, Radishes is the first wolf. Pawn is the second. Dom is maybe the third if there’s a third.

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:50 am so jack was 2 for 3 and I got pocketed by both scum for awhile because it's what was convenient for them while everybody else except Eva sussed me
Guess I’m just champs material.

I’ll take the cred now and hope if I’m wrong, people forget by game end.
There is such an obvious reason for why I'm not on a team with Pawn or radishes. or Eva.

There is no way I'd have that argument in the thread. There is no way I'd still be playing the game if my team was speaking to me that way.

There could be something to this. I had you not teamed with Rabbit cause I think the fight sounded real. Also cause Sprityo had similar reactions.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:18 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:07 am I’m not certain there’s a wolf at all at this level. If there is, I’m not certain it’s Dom. Like I townread Epi for most of the game and then he told me my read on him was stupid.

What’s the disadvantage to lynching if there is no wolf?

We’re lynching Radishes tomorrow regardless.
....why do you know radishes will be with "us"

This is so freaking weird that you have been assuming so much knowledge about the game. What do you know, why do you know it, and how do you know it?

I assume Radishes gets lynched today back to us. If not, idk what happens if scum wins the “final three.”

Surely they don’t just win cause why are we here if that’s the case?

They might all three come back to us regardless of their lynch.

So Radish should come back to us in a lot of possible worlds and we can and should lynch him tomorrow regardless of who we lynch today.

To answer your question, Dom, I’m guessing based off what we’ve seen, what’s in the movie and what would make for a not pointless game.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:33 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:05 pm So "kicked from this dream level" is not dead?
i think it might not be. Maybe you go back up a level in the threads etc.
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:11 pm Oh great. So even less info.

I guess we just play this like a 9-player game with shall we say 2 mafia?

It's kind of impossible not carry forward prior reads, but without info from flips what else can we do?
you're so bad.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:37 pm My opening three are ColinisCool, iaafr, JackofHearts2005.
what about radishes?

This is a good look from Dom’s iso.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:28 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:23 am
Dom wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:18 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:07 am I’m not certain there’s a wolf at all at this level. If there is, I’m not certain it’s Dom. Like I townread Epi for most of the game and then he told me my read on him was stupid.

What’s the disadvantage to lynching if there is no wolf?

We’re lynching Radishes tomorrow regardless.
....why do you know radishes will be with "us"

This is so freaking weird that you have been assuming so much knowledge about the game. What do you know, why do you know it, and how do you know it?
I assume Radishes gets lynched today back to us. If not, idk what happens if scum wins the “final three.”

Surely they don’t just win cause why are we here if that’s the case?

They might all three come back to us regardless of their lynch.

So Radish should come back to us in a lot of possible worlds and we can and should lynch him tomorrow regardless of who we lynch today.
How do you know where he is?

He was here yesterday. We didn’t lynch him. He’s not here today (along with Sprityo and Eva).

It stands to reason that there is one more dream level (just like in the movie) and like D2 and D3, those three players went down on D4. We just stayed in the same spot D4.

Meanwhile, Mac and Michelle and everyone we played with D2 but not D3 (deaths aside) should be on the D2 thread. And whoever we played with on D1 but not D2 (besides Drago and other deaths) should be in the original thread.

Do I know this? No. I suspect it based on what happens to us after each day and the movie and the flips/kicks.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:27 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:23 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:23 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:22 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:21 pm Can we please coach iaafr for now? Worry about titles later?
Okay. We’re all in agreement there is exactly one wolf in Sprityo, Eva, Radish, yeah?
I'm not. If I had to gamble, I'd say they're all good.
Then what the fuck are they doing not here?
Having a picnic in the arctic?
No, we’re in the artic.

Here I found a map.

[mention]Dom[/mention]

Look.

Dream Level 1 is (in theory) where D1 took place. The green line is Juliets and LC and whoever else we only played with D1. They should still be playing down there and getting flips.

Dream Level 2 is where D2 took place for us and Mac and Michelle and all are the orange line.

We’re the blue line. Went down on DL 3 on D3 and stayed there.

Purple/Red/Yellow/Brown should be Eva/Sprityo/Radishes. They’d be at DL4 today.

This is how I’d do it. This is how Jay and Sloonei appear to be doing it. I could be wrong.

This is Realms “solving.”

Dom comes back like “I don’t get it and I haven’t seen the movie.”

If Dom votes me, I’m voting Epi for the lulz.

I guess I’ll have to take your word for it or go find Epi’s notes on him.

If I make it back down to DL1 and Creature is still there, I will be surprised. I’m usually his lone defender when he’s town and a lot of the players here have even less experience with him. And maybe he’s scum anyway.

Creature stuff is inconclusive. Could be a wolf I guess.

His link was dead.

I think Epi is town, though. In my heart of Jacks.

I’m leaning towards just punting. I think we’re all town here and will have a better time tomorrow, assuming all three players below come back.

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:43 pm imagine if you could make amusing fluff posts that didn't involve being a dick to me

Translation: Epi, why can’t you be more like your brother, Jack?

Glass half full of anyone was worried about an Epi/Rabbit team or Dom/Rabbit team, I think we can probably write that off.

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