The Syndicate

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:41 pmSlight town read on:
Kyle

can i plz ask why

Tone. I always look for your tone.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:45 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:41 pm Strong town reads on:
LC, Juliets, Scotty

Moderate town read on:
DDL

Slight town read on:
Kyle

Tell me about the civilian reads on LC and Scotty.

No.

Thanks, Epignosis.

By your own logic, you must be bad then, eh?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:57 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:41 pmSlight town read on:
Kyle

can i plz ask why

Tone. I always look for your tone.

How eerie. You are talking to a parallel universe version of yourself.

Please explain.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:57 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:41 pmSlight town read on:
Kyle

can i plz ask why

Tone. I always look for your tone.

am i shining?

Somewhat, I suppose. I don’t feel bad about you like I do even sometimes when you’re town.

You did turn this around on me in MK so I’m leaving the townread as slight.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:01 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:57 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:41 pmSlight town read on:
Kyle

can i plz ask why

Tone. I always look for your tone.

How eerie. You are talking to a parallel universe version of yourself.

Please explain.

You and Kyle are the same person.

Kyle is way nicer than me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:58 pm By your own logic, you must be bad then, eh?

You've made it abundantly clear that you don't understand my logic -- or at least that you don't care to address it.

Does that make me bad, Jim?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:04 pm A game in which Long Con is still alive on day 4 is a game that I have rarely seen.

Agreed. Still town read him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:56 pmFiiiiine.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

There's my stance. You've thrown at least 3 bs arguments at townies this game and none of your mountain king routine has done anything to actually lynch anyone bad. I've been pinged by you all game and dismissed it as being too self centered but that doesn't change the fact that I've been pinged by you all game and if I had to stake the game on the next lynch, I'd want you to be it.

Me and everyone else here. This is so fake. Your pings are fake. Get out.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:56 pmI'm not waffling on Mac any more than I'm waffling on the state of the stock market. I just don't know. I'm not going back and forth and wringing my hands. There's just no data.

Take a stance. He has plenty of data.

You first, mongrel.



Day 1, you went after Sprityo, me and LC.

Day 2, Avito

Day 3, Sprityo again.

And now back to me.

When I’m dead, you’ll ignore it. Wrong again. Oh well. All the way to victory.

DDL says you’re tunneling but I don’t see it. Just like on Day 1, your argument is full of things you don’t believe and when you get called on it, instead of clarifying, you just say I’m wrong and I’m arguing against a position you didn’t take.

Hard to argue against a case that’s a moving target. And when I push that, you fall back on me not having enough reads, which your continued bullshittery is not helping with.

You already know that of course. Like I said, you’re not out for truth. You’re out for a mislynch.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:58 pm By your own logic, you must be bad then, eh?

You've made it abundantly clear that you don't understand my logic -- or at least that you don't care to address it.

Does that make me bad, Jim?

The logic itself is what makes you bad. Your inability to understand it would not make you more good or bad. Your failure to address it if you do understand it while instead attacking straw men arguments makes you bad.

So clarify your damn case.

No more “that’s not what I meant.”

Tell me what you mean. Cause at this point, I don’t think you mean anything. Just throwing shade.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:19 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:56 pmFiiiiine.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

There's my stance. You've thrown at least 3 bs arguments at townies this game and none of your mountain king routine has done anything to actually lynch anyone bad. I've been pinged by you all game and dismissed it as being too self centered but that doesn't change the fact that I've been pinged by you all game and if I had to stake the game on the next lynch, I'd want you to be it.

Me and everyone else here. This is so fake. Your pings are fake. Get out.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:56 pmI'm not waffling on Mac any more than I'm waffling on the state of the stock market. I just don't know. I'm not going back and forth and wringing my hands. There's just no data.

Take a stance. He has plenty of data.

You first, mongrel.



Day 1, you went after Sprityo, me and LC.

Day 2, Avito

Day 3, Sprityo again.

And now back to me.

When I’m dead, you’ll ignore it. Wrong again. Oh well. All the way to victory.

DDL says you’re tunneling but I don’t see it. Just like on Day 1, your argument is full of things you don’t believe and when you get called on it, instead of clarifying, you just say I’m wrong and I’m arguing against a position you didn’t take.

Hard to argue against a case that’s a moving target. And when I push that, you fall back on me not having enough reads, which your continued bullshittery is not helping with.

You already know that of course. Like I said, you’re not out for truth. You’re out for a mislynch.

This is like when you try to use your ultimate spell in a video game without it fully powered up.

That's exactly what the picture is!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:37 pm Scotty is slinging random mud everywhere rather than voting for the guy with a good case against him.

This is what Jay is talking about with the house of cards.

Restate the case in your own words, please. You tend to bull around which is great when you're town and you're not bulldozing at town but at least one of those isn't true and I don't know where your head is at besides being pointed in the wrong direction.

Where's your head on everyone but me?

Bulldozing better not stick. I hate it.

I think you knew Epi was a civ and made an opportunistic vote on him. I feel like I have been seeing a fake scum hunting version of Jack all game.

You want me to provide you with a read on every player in the game? That sure is something I ask of civs when I take suspicion off them to try to slip them up. Do you actually think I am Mafia or is this omgus or worse.

ISO Scotty for me please. Do me one analysis and I will consider analysing the player list.

Why?

How so?

Coming up.

Did I say I thought you were mafia? Can it be omgus if you don't actually say the other person is mafia or vote for them or anything? I honestly don't know how to read you except as town based on results and shared feelings. We haven't gotten results and we don't share reads. So does that make you bad or just having a bad game? Fuck if I know. I know I'm having a bad game but I've never played with bad you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:20 pm As I have said repeatedly now:

I think you handled Epignosis in such a way, particularly on Day 3, that evidences you having known he was a civilian all along. You had to force your way into an Epignosis vote with a post that looked utterly fake, and when confronted with a reason to move that vote you fell into the most awkward waffle of a response in the thread (on the basis of Epi giving up which was false).

^ This is nonsense.


v This is giving up.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:53 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:42 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:35 pm DDL voted for me for a stupid reason (like I owe him a Kylemii vote explanation), and if you vote for him, then that makes it 3-DDL, 4-Epi, which means you will be unlikely to be lynched, and I'm fine with that.

Oh gosh Epi I'm seeing DDL as town. I'm trying to understand what Jay is seeing in wolbre, thinking I may have missed something. If you have to vote for me go ahead, I understand and it's just a game.

If he's a civilian, then he's not doing a very good job.

As I said, I'm not keen on voting for you. I suspected you Day 1, but you came through and the clouds have passed.

I don't care about being lynched.

If you’re a civilian, you’re not doing so hot yourself. Not doing so hot regardless of alignment, really. What are you even doing?

Fucking horses.

Didn't you know?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:24 pm This whole "you're going for a mislynch" thing is so bogus. I had Jack as a civilian read 48 hours ago. I don't need to cook up some convoluted plan to make Jack my specific target if I am pursuing a mislynch. My read turned because I don't believe in it anymore.

Again, Epi looked so bad, 3 people said they thought he was the unlynchable mafia member.

Your case is dishonest, just like the one you made against me D1, just like the one you made against Sprityo.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:37 pm Scotty is slinging random mud everywhere rather than voting for the guy with a good case against him.

This is what Jay is talking about with the house of cards.

Restate the case in your own words, please. You tend to bull around which is great when you're town and you're not bulldozing at town but at least one of those isn't true and I don't know where your head is at besides being pointed in the wrong direction.

Where's your head on everyone but me?

Bulldozing better not stick. I hate it.

I think you knew Epi was a civ and made an opportunistic vote on him. I feel like I have been seeing a fake scum hunting version of Jack all game.

You want me to provide you with a read on every player in the game? That sure is something I ask of civs when I take suspicion off them to try to slip them up. Do you actually think I am Mafia or is this omgus or worse.

ISO Scotty for me please. Do me one analysis and I will consider analysing the player list.

Why?

How so?

Coming up.

Did I say I thought you were mafia? Can it be omgus if you don't actually say the other person is mafia or vote for them or anything? I honestly don't know how to read you except as town based on results and shared feelings. We haven't gotten results and we don't share reads. So does that make you bad or just having a bad game? Fuck if I know. I know I'm having a bad game but I've never played with bad you.

No. You are flailing. I am not repeating myself. If you cared you would not ask such asinine questions.

Okay. I'm off the fence. I think you're bad, too.

If there's one attribute about Jack, it's that I care.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:29 pm v This is giving up.

There is literally no way in hell you believe Epignosis was "giving up" after having been shown his efforts to move the lynch to someone who was not him.

The most token effort of all time. Here's the full effort of Epi trying to prevent his own lynch.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:28 pm I don't have any inferences I'm willing to share (since at least one of them is impolite).

I've served a purpose in this, and I'm fine with it, and am satisfied that nobody gets what I've done. If people lynch me for my approach here, then you can deal with them after Night 3. Or not deal with them. I won't be around to care.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:29 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:27 pm I read through wolbre and didn't see anything that excites me for a vote, plus I like what Mac had to say about him. I still don't like his voting Epi and then leaving without having heard Epi's side of things but I think thats probably a cultural thing. It may not be a big deal where he comes from whereas it was where I come from.

I am not keen on voting for you, and I get the impression the feeling is mutual. I suggest you and I come up with someone who isn't you or me and we vote together.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:34 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:31 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:29 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:27 pm I read through wolbre and didn't see anything that excites me for a vote, plus I like what Mac had to say about him. I still don't like his voting Epi and then leaving without having heard Epi's side of things but I think thats probably a cultural thing. It may not be a big deal where he comes from whereas it was where I come from.

I am not keen on voting for you, and I get the impression the feeling is mutual. I suggest you and I come up with someone who isn't you or me and we vote together.

I'm fine with that Epi, I do not want to vote for you. Do you have anyone in mind?

No. That's my trouble.

Fuck it.

[VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:35 pm DDL voted for me for a stupid reason (like I owe him a Kylemii vote explanation), and if you vote for him, then that makes it 3-DDL, 4-Epi, which means you will be unlikely to be lynched, and I'm fine with that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:42 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:38 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 7:35 pm DDL voted for me for a stupid reason (like I owe him a Kylemii vote explanation), and if you vote for him, then that makes it 3-DDL, 4-Epi, which means you will be unlikely to be lynched, and I'm fine with that.

Oh gosh Epi I'm seeing DDL as town. I'm trying to understand what Jay is seeing in wolbre, thinking I may have missed something. If you have to vote for me go ahead, I understand and it's just a game.

If he's a civilian, then he's not doing a very good job.

As I said, I'm not keen on voting for you. I suspected you Day 1, but you came through and the clouds have passed.

I don't care about being lynched.

Literally says he doesn't care if he dies several times, doesn't care if anyone sees what he's trying to do, proposes a strategy that gets him lynched over Juliets.

That's not trying, Jay.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:42 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:39 pm Literally says he doesn't care if he dies several times, doesn't care if anyone sees what he's trying to do, proposes a strategy that gets him lynched over Juliets.

That's not trying, Jay.

1) Epignosis tried to lynch someone who is not Epignosis. There is no way to twist that into "Epignosis gave up." He wasn't bothered by being lynched, something he has said in more games than just this one, but he didn't roll over and wait for death.

2) You're focusing on a tiny detail of a larger case filled with goodies that you have to this point done nothing with.

1) No, he didn't. He proposed a strategy that ended with him having the most votes. It's right there. He counts the votes with 4 on Epi and 3 on DDL and says "I don't care about being lynched."

2) Proven wrong about the details, Jay goes back to vague big pictures, just like he has against me all game. Color me not surprised.

[mention]Long Con[/mention]
[mention]Kylemii[/mention]

You guys see this? You think this is an honest case?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:44 pm Jackofhearts2005 please ignore everyone else for a second and answer my more important and more interesting question instead of their relatively unimportant and boring ones

Did you ask me a question?

Come on.

Somebody please tell me I'm not crazy for seeing Epi propose a plan where he gets the most votes, says "I don't care about getting lynched" and thinking that Epi wasn't trying to avoid lynch.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:45 pm 1) No, he didn't. He proposed a strategy that ended with him having the most votes. It's right there. He counts the votes with 4 on Epi and 3 on DDL and says "I don't care about being lynched."

I have at times engaged in strategies as a civilian that caused me to end up with the most votes. Indeed, every civilian who has ever been lynched employed some kind of strategy which contributed to their destruction. That is not the same as throwing in the towel.

Nononono.

Epi didn't have a bad plan that resulted in his lynch. Epi's plan was to get lynched. He said, "Juliets, let's make sure I have 4 votes and DDL has 3. I don't care if I get lynched."

Your case is that I didn't really think Epi gave up when he said "I don't care if I get lynched."

That makes no sense at all.

Now tell me that's not your case, don't clarify anything and ask me for more reads.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:36 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:32 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:24 pm This whole "you're going for a mislynch" thing is so bogus. I had Jack as a civilian read 48 hours ago. I don't need to cook up some convoluted plan to make Jack my specific target if I am pursuing a mislynch. My read turned because I don't believe in it anymore.

Again, Epi looked so bad, 3 people said they thought he was the unlynchable mafia member.

Your case is dishonest, just like the one you made against me D1, just like the one you made against Sprityo.

Both Jay and myself have referenced posts. I think Kyle did too. You opportunistically got your vote onto Epi in a way that made you capable of hand waving away your vote in the event of the mislynch that we now know would have happened. The case is not bogus. Stop saying that it is. It is disingenous anti-intellectualism and I will not accept this in the house of Mac.

Jackofhearts2005, address this specific point.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/begging-the-question

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:20 pm As I have said repeatedly now:

I think you handled Epignosis in such a way, particularly on Day 3, that evidences you having known he was a civilian all along. You had to force your way into an Epignosis vote with a post that looked utterly fake, and when confronted with a reason to move that vote you fell into the most awkward waffle of a response in the thread (on the basis of Epi giving up which was false).

Jackofhearts2005, address this specific point apart from the parenthetical bit at the end.

Evidences I knew he was a civilian all along - Citation needed or else this is more begging the question.

You had to voice your way into an Epignosis vote - I asked Epi what he was doing and he told me "fucking horses." That was me giving Epi a chance to show me he was town. Forced? Bah.

With a post that looked utterly fake and my reasoning for staying on him was also fake - Cause when Epi says "I don't care about getting lynched" and three people say "Gee, I think Epi cares so little about being lynched he must be unlynchable" then I'm supposed to actually know that his plan to receive the most votes was a ploy to somehow not get the most votes and therefore, my belief that Epi wasn't trying to avoid lynch must have been fake. That about right? And I did this to push for an Epi mislynch instead of....a Sprityo mislynch, when I had already stated that I townread Sprityo.

This whole case is one big joke.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:36 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:32 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:24 pm This whole "you're going for a mislynch" thing is so bogus. I had Jack as a civilian read 48 hours ago. I don't need to cook up some convoluted plan to make Jack my specific target if I am pursuing a mislynch. My read turned because I don't believe in it anymore.

Again, Epi looked so bad, 3 people said they thought he was the unlynchable mafia member.

Your case is dishonest, just like the one you made against me D1, just like the one you made against Sprityo.

Both Jay and myself have referenced posts. I think Kyle did too. You opportunistically got your vote onto Epi in a way that made you capable of hand waving away your vote in the event of the mislynch that we now know would have happened. The case is not bogus. Stop saying that it is. It is disingenous anti-intellectualism and I will not accept this in the house of Mac.

Jackofhearts2005, address this specific point.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/begging-the-question

Links to logicalfallacyis.com do not amount to addressing the point.

This is the shit you have not been handling since we started this argument. This is the shit you're pretending doesn't exist.

"Jack knew Epi was town" "His vote was opportunistic"

If I'm bad, I knew Epi was town because I'm bad. You can't therefore reason that I'm bad because I knew Epi was town if there's no evidence I knew Epi was town beyond your conclusion that I'm bad. This is what begging the question is and it's a logical fallacy.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:45 pm 1) No, he didn't. He proposed a strategy that ended with him having the most votes. It's right there. He counts the votes with 4 on Epi and 3 on DDL and says "I don't care about being lynched."

I have at times engaged in strategies as a civilian that caused me to end up with the most votes. Indeed, every civilian who has ever been lynched employed some kind of strategy which contributed to their destruction. That is not the same as throwing in the towel.

Nononono.

Epi didn't have a bad plan that resulted in his lynch. Epi's plan was to get lynched. He said, "Juliets, let's make sure I have 4 votes and DDL has 3. I don't care if I get lynched."

Your case is that I didn't really think Epi gave up when he said "I don't care if I get lynched."

That makes no sense at all.

Now tell me that's not your case, don't clarify anything and ask me for more reads.

Epi was trying to get lynched?

Yes.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:01 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:45 pm 1) No, he didn't. He proposed a strategy that ended with him having the most votes. It's right there. He counts the votes with 4 on Epi and 3 on DDL and says "I don't care about being lynched."

I have at times engaged in strategies as a civilian that caused me to end up with the most votes. Indeed, every civilian who has ever been lynched employed some kind of strategy which contributed to their destruction. That is not the same as throwing in the towel.

Nononono.

Epi didn't have a bad plan that resulted in his lynch. Epi's plan was to get lynched. He said, "Juliets, let's make sure I have 4 votes and DDL has 3. I don't care if I get lynched."

Your case is that I didn't really think Epi gave up when he said "I don't care if I get lynched."

That makes no sense at all.

Now tell me that's not your case, don't clarify anything and ask me for more reads.

Epi was trying to get lynched?

Yes.

Or rather, he was doing nothing whatsoever to avoid it, engineering a scenario where he had the most votes and saying he didn't care if he got lynched.

The crux of Jimmy's case is that he thinks I should have known Epi was trying hard to not get lynched even though it is evident that Epi was doing no such thing.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:49 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:46 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:44 pm Jackofhearts2005 please ignore everyone else for a second and answer my more important and more interesting question instead of their relatively unimportant and boring ones

Did you ask me a question?

i thought i did? maybe not.

anyways plz pretend for me that you are the only one choosing who gets lynched today, you can't pick joe and you can't pick Mac, who would you choose?

Probably a quiet player.

I have some reason to believe DDL, LC, Juliets, Scotty and you are town. You've ruled out JJJ and Mac.

I'm left with a choice between Dom, INH, Marmot, Nova, PW, Wolbre.

I probably shoot Dom cause Jimmy wants to shoot INH. Maaaaaybe Wolbre since Scotty said there was maybe some teammate behavior there.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:05 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:02 pm The crux of Jimmy's case is that he thinks I should have known Epi was trying hard to not get lynched even though it is evident that Epi was doing no such thing.

That is not the crux of my case. That is the only portion of my case you seem interested in discussing.

Tell me I'm bad for not posting enough on D1 again.

Tell me I'm bad for voting for townie Epi instead of townie Sprityo, again.

How can you call me opportunistic with a straight face?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:05 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:49 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:46 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:44 pm Jackofhearts2005 please ignore everyone else for a second and answer my more important and more interesting question instead of their relatively unimportant and boring ones

Did you ask me a question?

i thought i did? maybe not.

anyways plz pretend for me that you are the only one choosing who gets lynched today, you can't pick joe and you can't pick Mac, who would you choose?

Probably a quiet player.

I have some reason to believe DDL, LC, Juliets, Scotty and you are town. You've ruled out JJJ and Mac.

I'm left with a choice between Dom, INH, Marmot, Nova, PW, Wolbre.

I probably shoot Dom cause Jimmy wants to shoot INH. Maaaaaybe Wolbre since Scotty said there was maybe some teammate behavior there.

what makes you trust ddl and scotty?

Can't say.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:05 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:59 pm This whole case is one big joke.

So is your space-time continuum.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:59 pm You had to voice your way into an Epignosis vote - I asked Epi what he was doing and he told me "fucking horses." That was me giving Epi a chance to show me he was town. Forced? Bah.

Epignosis said this over 3 hours after you placed your vote.

What is your point, exactly?

Here's my vote.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 4:46 pm I guess I’ll go ahead and [VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

I tend to give Epi some leeway for bs cases, head butting and general grumpiness/laziness but I expect something to come of it eventually.

That's all true and I later asked Epi to convince me I was wrong. "Forced." Nah.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:15 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:09 pm Tell me I'm bad for not posting enough on D1 again.

I didn't pursue that with any fervor. Irrelevant.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:09 pmTell me I'm bad for voting for townie Epi instead of townie Sprityo, again.

I'll give you credit for making up so many arguments and then shoving them into my mouth. Never said this or even implied it. You're not reading my posts.

You could have voted for Epignosis with all of the fervor and conviction in the world, and it'd have looked better than what happened.

Yeah, yeah. Proven wrong. Point back to big vague case of nothing. Repeat.

I'll be sure to make up conviction next time you're around.

Possible Smog missed Night 1, resulting in one messed up hit. I'd call it an alternative to the bad Wolbre theory but I don't want to seem waffly.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:22 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 4:46 pm I guess I’ll go ahead and [VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

I tend to give Epi some leeway for bs cases, head butting and general grumpiness/laziness but I expect something to come of it eventually.

I like Jimmy's rainbow (save Juliets, who I’m not sure why people are voting for) and the Epi case but I can’t shake a bad feeling about him. Driving me up the wall over here. Waiting for the shoe to drop. Just not sure what kinda shoe it is.

Linki: I’ll read those Nova beefs in a bit. Nova is in one ear out the other for me.

Let's ensure we quote the entire post, because all of it is yucky.

This looks like someone who knows he is voting for a civilian and is preparing to allow someone else (i.e. me) shoulder the blame when he flips.

Your rainbow and Nova stuff has nothing to do with my vote on Epi.

How can I blame you for my vote on Epi when you're pushing a vote on Nova or Sprityo? Again, you think I'm setting you up?

Errr...I guess Jimmy did have an Epi case? I don't even remember it tbh.

I'm willing to switch to an inactive instead of continuing with this headache inducing run around.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:27 pm Jack, jay isnt on you because you didn't know epi was civ, he suspects you because you seem like you actually did. You approached his lynch and his behavior as if you already knew and were preparing for the correct conclusion. it seemed like you were trying to justify a vote for epignosis rather than actually believing that epignosis was the best recipient for a vote.

i don't like the way you've responded to Jay's case on you and somewhat related, I also don't like the way you've turned around on Mac and jay, these are things that don't seem like civ-things to me

Okay but why do they think that?

I don't know so I'm left with "I don't think they think that."

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:30 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:28 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:27 pm Jack, jay isnt on you because you didn't know epi was civ, he suspects you because you seem like you actually did. You approached his lynch and his behavior as if you already knew and were preparing for the correct conclusion. it seemed like you were trying to justify a vote for epignosis rather than actually believing that epignosis was the best recipient for a vote.

i don't like the way you've responded to Jay's case on you and somewhat related, I also don't like the way you've turned around on Mac and jay, these are things that don't seem like civ-things to me

Okay but why do they think that?

I don't know so I'm left with "I don't think they think that."

i think it's cus of ur posts

Thank you. That's very helpful.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:31 pm do you think a mafia jay goes through all this effort and comes to such a very specific conclusion just to lynch a single player

Yes, if he thought he'd get away with it.

Do you think he wouldn't? Tell me about that.

And if so, help me lynch someone else.

And if not, fuckadoodledoo.

I'm going to have to put an * at the end every time I say "I don't get lynched" you bastards.

(I don't actually hold any ill will against anyone. It's a game, regardless of anyone else's alignment. Just wanna make that clear cause I've been cursing a lot today.)

[VOTE: Vote Pennywise] aubergine

I still suspect Jay and Mac but as I've said before, I'm a pragmatic guy.

Off to get the kids. This may be my last post today. Please don't lynch me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:49 pm Anyone want to give me the best evidence they can think of that Jack is a civilian?

My post count.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:49 pm Anyone want to give me the best evidence they can think of that Jack is a civilian?

My post count.

Well you know actually...

I hear that’s NAI, tho.

I got absolutely nothing done at work today you guys.

[mention]Kylemii[/mention]

So why aren’t you voting for me?

So [VOTE: INH] aubergine

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 7:22 pmjack...

Kyle...

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 7:27 pm jack when did you start suspecting epignosis?

Idk, man. Apparently, there was a Jimmy case but all I remember is him being super unhelpful and stubborn....which in hindsight is a bad reason to vote.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 7:41 pm One thing I want to ensure is clear for Kyle's dialogue here:

When Jack said he had a lingering bad feeling or whatever it was, I believe he was referring to me and not to Epignosis. Jack please correct me if not.

This is correct.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 7:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 7:30 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 7:27 pm jack when did you start suspecting epignosis?

Idk, man. Apparently, there was a Jimmy case but all I remember is him being super unhelpful and stubborn....which in hindsight is a bad reason to vote.

You liked it at the time.

Assess the quality of this case, even now with hindsight.

It’s good on paper. I let it be enough.

But Epi is unhelpful and stubborn and latches on to stupid things as town all the time. He’s also supatown sometimes, like in FE and ASOUE.

Idk who I should have chosen instead if not you.

Vote somewhere else plz. Kthnx.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 7:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:32 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:24 pm This whole "you're going for a mislynch" thing is so bogus. I had Jack as a civilian read 48 hours ago. I don't need to cook up some convoluted plan to make Jack my specific target if I am pursuing a mislynch. My read turned because I don't believe in it anymore.

Again, Epi looked so bad, 3 people said they thought he was the unlynchable mafia member.

You exaggerate this. It was basically just you saying that, with JJJ slightly saying he considered it. Juliets and Kyle didn't think so. No one else talked about it.

Juliets said yes. One more person said no. Kyle just asked questions about it.

Why is this important? You’re talking about the nuance of a point that is part of an argument for why I didn’t see Epi as trying to avoid lynch.

Even if this is all debunked, Epi still said “I don’t care if I get lynched.”

You’re like arguing over if one play should have been considered a fumble or not looking at a bunch of camera angles and sub rules to see who won....but the score was 63 to 3.

Who cares?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:05 pm It's almost time for Mac's favorite part of every day phase, when Jay changes his mind at the last minute.

I can’t wait.