The Syndicate

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:46 pm Okay lets think might vote for Dragomir but will ISO first now that am home on not using a phone no offense but this site is really hard to use on mobile.

Monica Gif

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Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:44 pm Is Benson still looking for Elephant seeds or what?

https://www.bcseeds.com/product/elephant-bud/

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:49 pm Tough crowd.

More just questioning putting Nancy Pelosi in there considering the age gap with everyone else there.

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:56 pm I asked this before but does anyone from this forum know if Drago has the propensity to slank like this as wolf?

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:57 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:56 pm I asked this before but does anyone from this forum know if Drago has the propensity to slank like this as wolf?

Idk.

Drago is always town and Rej is always a wolf and Drago always catches him.

We’re in uncharted territory here.

How do you know that scenario isn't the case and Drago just hasn't seen enough to catch him yet?

boo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:06 pm Hey everyone, I haven't had time to get remotely caught up yet, so just going with [VOTE: no lynch] aubergine for today. Will get caught up this evening and write some thoughts up tomorrow some time hopefully.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:29 pm I do have one question about Evenstar: Why only make two charts? Why just nutella and Pawn?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:30 pm Why are all the TS regulars being so fucking scummy lol

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:37 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:29 pm I think Drag v 112 v TSP are the three wagons we should focus on atm.
Epig just seems way too risky given how much praise his villager game is getting.

This is a fake opinion. Nobody cares that much about random opinions on a random player in a 30 player game.

I swear multiple people from this site said Epig is the best player on the forum and historically very hard to read. Is that wrong?
I just don't like lynching that when I'm reading him as null and we have several wolfy low posters that can be culled instead

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:40 pm i like benson recently im not doing benson and would advise against voting benson

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:43 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:42 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:40 pm i like benson recently im not doing benson and would advise against voting benson

What do you like about Benson? Some of his stuff looks pretty questionable to me like the white knighting Epi, Elephant case that doesn’t pan out and the jump to TL cause...idk everyone was doing it at the time?

tons of towny solvey thought processes, many of them leading nowhere but in a towny way

imo

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:44 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:33 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:29 pm I do have one question about Evenstar: Why only make two charts? Why just nutella and Pawn?

I’m surprised she even made two. Looked like a pain in the ass.

Thought she had a program or something.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:48 pm [VOTE: 112] aubergine

anime betrayal vote has arrived

Evenstar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:50 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:49 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:48 pm fuck is Day over

Eleven minutes. You used a program for those two charts right?

Anyway, why did you only make two of them and draw conclusions from such a limited sample?

because Spiny hadn't produced a detailed enough readslist to be useful to me

Evenstar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:51 pm can someone please tell me wtf epi did

Evenstar wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:55 pm can someone OTHER THAN EPI tell me what he did

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:30 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:30 pm LLD started playing, I see.

yeah well I have to wake up sometime

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:26 pm @Master Radishes
@sprityo
@Evenstar

Were ya’ll alone in limbo yesterday? And if so, what happened? And if not, same question.

Yeah. Open votes, no maj. We did our backs and forths, but Sprit only popped in last few minutes, voted me, I voted Eva because obviously, and Eva switched from voting Sprit to me at :00.

It was fun and dramatic.

People need to believe me on her now, though.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:36 pm I'm so fucking annoyed yet so relieved that people are back. But seriously, did you guys really just send us inactive players? WTF.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:38 pm Fwiw Michelle was the only one giving shits in the hellscape level. She's town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:40 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:39 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:26 pm @Master Radishes
@sprityo
@Evenstar

Were ya’ll alone in limbo yesterday? And if so, what happened? And if not, same question.

Yeah, so far as I know; it was a final 3, it was stressful, we debated who the scum was. Radishes tunneled the fuck out of me, and inevitably voted against me; Sprityo voted Radishes with like 1 minute on the clock. I was forced to make a snap decision, and went for the player voting me over the three-way tie. No flip, so I have no idea if I got it right or not.

Also, the dayend flavour prominently featured the mark hitting someone in the nutsack with a baguette. @Macdougall, why are you haunting my dreams?

... what

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:42 pm Hmmm I think we should just lynch Evenstar and if she flips town lynch Sprityo? Seems like there is always a wolf between them no?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:42 pm Hmmm I think we should just lynch Evenstar and if she flips town lynch Sprityo? Seems like there is always a wolf between them no?

Um why not Radishes? I thought Eva got cleared and Sprityo seems real town to me.

What do you mean Eva got cleared? O.o

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:43 pm This was my case from Limbo:

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The case against Evenstar

Her tone felt wrong:
--The vast majority of her posts from D2 were very small contributions, very much lacking in scumhunting, and mainly a stream-of-consciousness tone full of ‘…’s and ‘?’s and ‘what if’s. (And adverbs.) For example, her biggest post of D2 was a stream-of-consciousness ‘what if’ rant about the mechanics of the strange new game state and its restrictions. That itself is fine, if it goes anywhere, but her tone was mongering uncertainty, rather than being focused on actually figuring it out. She throws out thoughts about 8 scum in the thread, or no scum, etc – unlikely scenarios that don’t add to mechanics-solving.

--Along the same vein, at other points of the round she speculated on a triple scumwagon on D1 (Epi/112/Drago), entertained notions about what the phrase ‘up a level’ means, suggested forming in-game hydras…things that don’t contribute to discussion. They’re distractions.

--For someone who is known for an in-your-face style and who self-describes her style as pressuring until scum are revealed, she did remarkably little of that. Who did she pressure lately? Pawn? That lasted less than a page and she backed down quickly. In D1 she was a bulldog, but by D2 she was a puppy.


As for her actual content:
--She started D2 going after Pawn although quickly backed off that. She said Pawn ‘gave me bad info at dayend’ about Mac ‘crusading’ the Epi wagon. Pawn basically reaffirmed he believed what he said and Eva…just backed off. And she TRed Pawn the rest of the round. Then, in D3, Jack and I began discussing Pawn very lightly as a read (Jack refused to really discuss anything) and Eva comes in and rips him apart. Pawn responds and Eva…backs off. Like, very easily. Just a ‘okay, that puts my mind at ease, thanks’ sort of reaction (that’s not an actual quote – I didn’t note it down). The fangs retracted very quickly.

--Most of her posts that actually focused on pressuring potential scum in D2 were focused on Jack. And yet Jack only once appeared in her ‘bottom 3’ lists that day, and there was no real push to lynch him at any point. She also never really outright cased him, just said he ‘deserves pressure’ and picks up on a few minor inconsistencies.

--Her reads remained fairly static in D2, with only a couple exceptions. Aside from briefly SRing Pawn, and switching her read on 112 halfway through (which in turn reversed her read of Epi), the most she changed her reads was at the end when she started proposing low posters like Dom and Colin as lynch targets, after ignoring them as she had done up to that point. She kept Nova in her bottom 3, SRed me consistently (but without any real explanation beyond OMGUS), shaded Jack (but rarely openly stateed an SR of him), and avoided serious comment on most others. It really looked like she was playing to slip by unnoticed.

--As we approached the end of D2, Sprit became a last minute choice amongst several of us. Eva began to softly defend Sprit. She even said she hopes to ‘nail’ me if Sprit flipped green. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen someone say that sort of thing and flip green themselves. Also, Sprit was in the same ‘content range’ category as Nova, Dom, and Colin, who she continued to SR.

--She spent a fair chunk of time in the middle of D2 complaining about the lack of voting ability. She said it hinders her style of game (this is fair) and tells me at one point she intends to change that. She then…doesn’t. Like, even into D3, I don’t remember anything notable she did except her Pawn push.

--D3 she’s very blendy, IMO. I actually don’t remember much of what she did. Probably should’ve written some of it down.


Not to mention:
--Her vote in D1 tied Drago with 112 at 8-8 with 3 mins left. We were that close to not lynching a wolf due to her vote. (And, of course, others.)

--The Nook and Pawn (that’s still my assumption) kill choices fit her. They’re players she’s familiar with and will worry could read her correctly.

--Her entrance to this round was…interesting. She votes Sprityo immediately but gives some blah blah about me being the ‘correct lynch’ but she’s assuming she’s wrong. It's illogical. It also feels way too much like she knew *I’m* the one she needs to convince, since I’ve SRed both her and Sprit fairly heavily. She didn't start pressuring me this round until I made it clear I was leaning towards her.

--Her reasoning for me being potential scum has been full of misrememberings (I’ll avoid saying ‘lies’ since she may genuinely misremember.)

Added to that from our Limbo phase, she:
--constantly created narratives about what my intentions were ('you did x to justify y, and then you hastily backtracked...')
--insisted I was lying about trivial matters like whether Jack was SRing me (reminded me of 'BULLSHIT YOU'RE THE VOYEUR' and I even posted that at one point)
--seriously gave me the 'yes, and that's very convenient...' retaliation upon me not being around for certain events because of my timezone
--spent most of the time speculating on every possible combo of scum under the sun, literally hundreds of words that went nowhere and acheived nothing but make her look like she was thinking hard
--followed me immediately when I exaggerated my read on sprit (I wanted to see her reaction when I pretended to back off her and consider sprit; she took the bait and went for 'hmm, yes, and did you also notice that...' type posts)
--didn't stick to her sprit read and try to convince me, but instead switched to me right at :00 once sprit voted me


I'm sure there's more, but yeah.

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:47 pm How about lynch Nutella and if she flips town lynch me

How about that

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:20 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:17 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:43 pm This was my case from Limbo:

Spoiler: show

The case against Evenstar

Her tone felt wrong:
--The vast majority of her posts from D2 were very small contributions, very much lacking in scumhunting, and mainly a stream-of-consciousness tone full of ‘…’s and ‘?’s and ‘what if’s. (And adverbs.) For example, her biggest post of D2 was a stream-of-consciousness ‘what if’ rant about the mechanics of the strange new game state and its restrictions. That itself is fine, if it goes anywhere, but her tone was mongering uncertainty, rather than being focused on actually figuring it out. She throws out thoughts about 8 scum in the thread, or no scum, etc – unlikely scenarios that don’t add to mechanics-solving.

--Along the same vein, at other points of the round she speculated on a triple scumwagon on D1 (Epi/112/Drago), entertained notions about what the phrase ‘up a level’ means, suggested forming in-game hydras…things that don’t contribute to discussion. They’re distractions.

--For someone who is known for an in-your-face style and who self-describes her style as pressuring until scum are revealed, she did remarkably little of that. Who did she pressure lately? Pawn? That lasted less than a page and she backed down quickly. In D1 she was a bulldog, but by D2 she was a puppy.


As for her actual content:
--She started D2 going after Pawn although quickly backed off that. She said Pawn ‘gave me bad info at dayend’ about Mac ‘crusading’ the Epi wagon. Pawn basically reaffirmed he believed what he said and Eva…just backed off. And she TRed Pawn the rest of the round. Then, in D3, Jack and I began discussing Pawn very lightly as a read (Jack refused to really discuss anything) and Eva comes in and rips him apart. Pawn responds and Eva…backs off. Like, very easily. Just a ‘okay, that puts my mind at ease, thanks’ sort of reaction (that’s not an actual quote – I didn’t note it down). The fangs retracted very quickly.

--Most of her posts that actually focused on pressuring potential scum in D2 were focused on Jack. And yet Jack only once appeared in her ‘bottom 3’ lists that day, and there was no real push to lynch him at any point. She also never really outright cased him, just said he ‘deserves pressure’ and picks up on a few minor inconsistencies.

--Her reads remained fairly static in D2, with only a couple exceptions. Aside from briefly SRing Pawn, and switching her read on 112 halfway through (which in turn reversed her read of Epi), the most she changed her reads was at the end when she started proposing low posters like Dom and Colin as lynch targets, after ignoring them as she had done up to that point. She kept Nova in her bottom 3, SRed me consistently (but without any real explanation beyond OMGUS), shaded Jack (but rarely openly stateed an SR of him), and avoided serious comment on most others. It really looked like she was playing to slip by unnoticed.

--As we approached the end of D2, Sprit became a last minute choice amongst several of us. Eva began to softly defend Sprit. She even said she hopes to ‘nail’ me if Sprit flipped green. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen someone say that sort of thing and flip green themselves. Also, Sprit was in the same ‘content range’ category as Nova, Dom, and Colin, who she continued to SR.

--She spent a fair chunk of time in the middle of D2 complaining about the lack of voting ability. She said it hinders her style of game (this is fair) and tells me at one point she intends to change that. She then…doesn’t. Like, even into D3, I don’t remember anything notable she did except her Pawn push.

--D3 she’s very blendy, IMO. I actually don’t remember much of what she did. Probably should’ve written some of it down.


Not to mention:
--Her vote in D1 tied Drago with 112 at 8-8 with 3 mins left. We were that close to not lynching a wolf due to her vote. (And, of course, others.)

--The Nook and Pawn (that’s still my assumption) kill choices fit her. They’re players she’s familiar with and will worry could read her correctly.

--Her entrance to this round was…interesting. She votes Sprityo immediately but gives some blah blah about me being the ‘correct lynch’ but she’s assuming she’s wrong. It's illogical. It also feels way too much like she knew *I’m* the one she needs to convince, since I’ve SRed both her and Sprit fairly heavily. She didn't start pressuring me this round until I made it clear I was leaning towards her.

--Her reasoning for me being potential scum has been full of misrememberings (I’ll avoid saying ‘lies’ since she may genuinely misremember.)

Added to that from our Limbo phase, she:
--constantly created narratives about what my intentions were ('you did x to justify y, and then you hastily backtracked...')
--insisted I was lying about trivial matters like whether Jack was SRing me (reminded me of 'BULLSHIT YOU'RE THE VOYEUR' and I even posted that at one point)
--seriously gave me the 'yes, and that's very convenient...' retaliation upon me not being around for certain events because of my timezone
--spent most of the time speculating on every possible combo of scum under the sun, literally hundreds of words that went nowhere and acheived nothing but make her look like she was thinking hard
--followed me immediately when I exaggerated my read on sprit (I wanted to see her reaction when I pretended to back off her and consider sprit; she took the bait and went for 'hmm, yes, and did you also notice that...' type posts)
--didn't stick to her sprit read and try to convince me, but instead switched to me right at :00 once sprit voted me


I'm sure there's more, but yeah.

That’s a lot. And we can’t really talk about if she’s mech cleared or not.

oh fuck off

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:53 pm ... I just went through two days of hidden-vote no-flip bullshit followed by a F3 vs the king of slank and a homicidal turnip

and now I'm back,

and you just slanked until you got to a less terrible environment and now you're making excuses for it...?

... ok, I guess

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:06 pm You know who is scum. 112. 112 is scum.

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:09 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:01 pm

Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:58 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:07 pm I've had her since D2 and no one is listening to me.

Sprityo made a bad choice. I think the mafia may have gained some sort of advantage.

How did you learn about this mafia advantage? Does anyone else know about this?

The wording of the levels was like 'you're getting closer...'

Also, what was the point of our little F3 if we all survived? Someone will have gained something, I'm pretty certain.

You are telling us the mafia reached the Limbo level and won it? Why is the game not over?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:38 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:06 pm You know who is scum. 112. 112 is scum.

I haven’t seen them do anything suspicious in several days.

You're a funny guy aren't you Jack.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:20 pm Nah fuck this. Evenstar wants us to lynch Radishes entirely to find out whether "the scum won a prize". That's bullshit lol. So he flips town and we discover they won a prize... what good is that to us? I don't believe Evenstar at all.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:25 pm Reading these long cases later.

I think jack may be scum. Mostly just a hunch, I think it fits though ofc I haven't seen his activity in the other levels.


At the moment I'd probably be happy with lynching any of him, Eva, or 112.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:27 pm And just to be clear, I am not interested in a single emotional-based plea anybody here has. I don't care. If you are not bad, put for a cogent reason why you are not. Nobody gets a pass this day.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:30 pm Evenstar, Lexi, 112, Jack and Elephant gg.