The Syndicate

Where’s the vote count?

I swear there was no poll thread 5 min ago.

Rabbit’s late day vote for a townie after peacing out for the whole day is pretty suspect but just add it to the pile I guess.

[mention]juliets[/mention]

When and why did you decide Mac is bad? Cause I remembered you (and myself and iirc Radish or TL) arguing Mac vs Epi was t vs t and when I checked your iso, you look like you reviewed him and found him to be town. Day started and you’re all over him.

Sets off some warning bells, ya know?

This game needs itas tbh.

Good talk, guys.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:09 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:15 pm Rabbit’s late day vote for a townie after peacing out for the whole day is pretty suspect but just add it to the pile I guess.

@juliets

When and why did you decide Mac is bad? Cause I remembered you (and myself and iirc Radish or TL) arguing Mac vs Epi was t vs t and when I checked your iso, you look like you reviewed him and found him to be town. Day started and you’re all over him.

Sets off some warning bells, ya know?

I started thinking about it when Epi asked me why I thought he was town. I realized I didn't have any great reasons for thinking he was. That's somewhere in my ISO. After yesterday's lynch and I looked more at his ISO it was clear to me he was bad. Where are all the townie Mac posts that he usually has when he is town? I don't see them. It shouldn't set off any warning bells except to look more closely at him. Why do you think he is town?

Because Mac is easy af to read. His town and scum games are night and day. It’s why all of the spectators correctly read him in his WC game from D1.

I don’t remember anything from Assassination Classroom besides it being a poor mark on my townie record but compare to his scumgame in World Asunder or that game where me and Mac were both mafia and Dunya and Eloh carried because I got peaked and Mac was easily caught.

The warning bells are because the exchange looks like.

Juliets: I townread Mac.
Juliets: Now I scumread Mac.
Mac: Why?
Juliets: Read your own iso. Tell me who is scum if you’re town.

Like that’s not an answer.

I have to wonder if you townreading Mac while he tunneled on an unflipped townread of yours and then suddenly scumreading him when Epi flipped is less about Mac’s behavior and more about how suspicious he’s going to look to players that don’t know his style. The former didn’t change and it’s not like Epi’s flip forces you to re-evaluate because you thought Epi was town to start.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:10 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:19 pm This game needs itas tbh.

What is an ita?

In thread attack. Daykills for all with a high chance to win.

Chance to miss*

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:21 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:19 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:09 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:15 pm Rabbit’s late day vote for a townie after peacing out for the whole day is pretty suspect but just add it to the pile I guess.

@juliets

When and why did you decide Mac is bad? Cause I remembered you (and myself and iirc Radish or TL) arguing Mac vs Epi was t vs t and when I checked your iso, you look like you reviewed him and found him to be town. Day started and you’re all over him.

Sets off some warning bells, ya know?

I started thinking about it when Epi asked me why I thought he was town. I realized I didn't have any great reasons for thinking he was. That's somewhere in my ISO. After yesterday's lynch and I looked more at his ISO it was clear to me he was bad. Where are all the townie Mac posts that he usually has when he is town? I don't see them. It shouldn't set off any warning bells except to look more closely at him. Why do you think he is town?

Because Mac is easy af to read. His town and scum games are night and day. It’s why all of the spectators correctly read him in his WC game from D1.

I don’t remember anything from Assassination Classroom besides it being a poor mark on my townie record but compare to his scumgame in World Asunder or that game where me and Mac were both mafia and Dunya and Eloh carried because I got peaked and Mac was easily caught.

The warning bells are because the exchange looks like.

Juliets: I townread Mac.
Juliets: Now I scumread Mac.
Mac: Why?
Juliets: Read your own iso. Tell me who is scum if you’re town.

Like that’s not an answer.

I have to wonder if you townreading Mac while he tunneled on an unflipped townread of yours and then suddenly scumreading him when Epi flipped is less about Mac’s behavior and more about how suspicious he’s going to look to players that don’t know his style. The former didn’t change and it’s not like Epi’s flip forces you to re-evaluate because you thought Epi was town to start.

But thats just it - his town game is so easy to read. That's why we all knew it when we watched him in champs. This game does not look like his town game to me, it looks like the opposite of what I saw in WC 1.

Starting on Day 8?

Gimmie a starting post at least.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:19 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:09 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:15 pm Rabbit’s late day vote for a townie after peacing out for the whole day is pretty suspect but just add it to the pile I guess.

@juliets

When and why did you decide Mac is bad? Cause I remembered you (and myself and iirc Radish or TL) arguing Mac vs Epi was t vs t and when I checked your iso, you look like you reviewed him and found him to be town. Day started and you’re all over him.

Sets off some warning bells, ya know?

I started thinking about it when Epi asked me why I thought he was town. I realized I didn't have any great reasons for thinking he was. That's somewhere in my ISO. After yesterday's lynch and I looked more at his ISO it was clear to me he was bad. Where are all the townie Mac posts that he usually has when he is town? I don't see them. It shouldn't set off any warning bells except to look more closely at him. Why do you think he is town?

Because Mac is easy af to read. His town and scum games are night and day. It’s why all of the spectators correctly read him in his WC game from D1.

I don’t remember anything from Assassination Classroom besides it being a poor mark on my townie record but compare to his scumgame in World Asunder or that game where me and Mac were both mafia and Dunya and Eloh carried because I got peaked and Mac was easily caught.

The warning bells are because the exchange looks like.

Juliets: I townread Mac.
Juliets: Now I scumread Mac.
Mac: Why?
Juliets: Read your own iso. Tell me who is scum if you’re town.

Like that’s not an answer.

I have to wonder if you townreading Mac while he tunneled on an unflipped townread of yours and then suddenly scumreading him when Epi flipped is less about Mac’s behavior and more about how suspicious he’s going to look to players that don’t know his style. The former didn’t change and it’s not like Epi’s flip forces you to re-evaluate because you thought Epi was town to start.

Oh really.

I am not easy to read Jack. I am just always read as town. I have hardly ever lost a game when I've rolled wolf on this site. Don't sell me short.

That’s because when you rand wolf, you have Dunya to carry you or you get a role that’s like an unlynchable tentacle monster.

Of course, I put unlynchable tentacle monsters in my games too so whatever.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:28 pm Gimmie a starting post at least.

I did already. Start on his day 5 which begins on page 6 of his ISO, most of the way to the bottom, the first post dated November 8th. Read through his posts, how many times he jumps from one person to the next, states confidently that so-and-so is bad then turns around and changes his mind and goes to someone else. His posts are just hopping around and his vote ends up on hyena rather than Eva or Elephant who he says he suspects.

I was hoping for a post number cause our settings might be different so the page would be different but it’s fine this is enough.

I only have 2% battery so it’ll be soon or really not soon.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:19 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:09 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:15 pm Rabbit’s late day vote for a townie after peacing out for the whole day is pretty suspect but just add it to the pile I guess.

@juliets

When and why did you decide Mac is bad? Cause I remembered you (and myself and iirc Radish or TL) arguing Mac vs Epi was t vs t and when I checked your iso, you look like you reviewed him and found him to be town. Day started and you’re all over him.

Sets off some warning bells, ya know?

I started thinking about it when Epi asked me why I thought he was town. I realized I didn't have any great reasons for thinking he was. That's somewhere in my ISO. After yesterday's lynch and I looked more at his ISO it was clear to me he was bad. Where are all the townie Mac posts that he usually has when he is town? I don't see them. It shouldn't set off any warning bells except to look more closely at him. Why do you think he is town?

Because Mac is easy af to read. His town and scum games are night and day. It’s why all of the spectators correctly read him in his WC game from D1.

I don’t remember anything from Assassination Classroom besides it being a poor mark on my townie record but compare to his scumgame in World Asunder or that game where me and Mac were both mafia and Dunya and Eloh carried because I got peaked and Mac was easily caught.

The warning bells are because the exchange looks like.

Juliets: I townread Mac.
Juliets: Now I scumread Mac.
Mac: Why?
Juliets: Read your own iso. Tell me who is scum if you’re town.

Like that’s not an answer.

I have to wonder if you townreading Mac while he tunneled on an unflipped townread of yours and then suddenly scumreading him when Epi flipped is less about Mac’s behavior and more about how suspicious he’s going to look to players that don’t know his style. The former didn’t change and it’s not like Epi’s flip forces you to re-evaluate because you thought Epi was town to start.

Oh really.

I am not easy to read Jack. I am just always read as town. I have hardly ever lost a game when I've rolled wolf on this site. Don't sell me short.

That’s because when you rand wolf, you have Dunya to carry you or you get a role that’s like an unlynchable tentacle monster.

Wow rude af. That's literally 2 games. Eat a dick.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:46 pm Of course, I put unlynchable tentacle monsters in my games too so whatever.

That's pussy talk.

I wasn’t even joking about that. That happened.

Lol never mind. That was LC’s game.

Hey last time I played with wolf Mac, I caught his ass straight away.

I made a captioned picture of a wolf biting another wolf like “gottem” and called him on a bus. He was recruited. What game was that?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:52 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:46 pm Of course, I put unlynchable tentacle monsters in my games too so whatever.

That's pussy talk.

I wasn’t even joking about that. That happened.

WHAAAAAAA?????

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:15 pm Hmmm Jack probably is actually a wolf lol.

juliets what you read on Jack?

Do I ever need to say it? This is never happening.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:09 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:59 pm I can't remember a game where Mac was recruited.

He's talking about the Fallout game I think. I was endgamed and conceded.

Yeah, that’s the one.

You’re so damn easy to read that when I’m 3P and don’t even want to catch scum, I can’t help catch you.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 18#p547118

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:50 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:44 pm I don’t think a wolf-Mac sells out against Epi knowing full well he’s going to look foolish as a result.

Juliets feels real to me right now, believing that the opposite^ is true. I disagree but I believe she believes it.

TLib has felt pretty good to me I guess but I haven’t seen a lot.

I don’t townread anyone else. 112’s vote was scummy, LC’s pinged me hard, Radishes is obviously content to just kill anyone who isn’t him (see him teeing me up right before EOD when I am pretty fucking clearly town to everybody else?), and iaafr has eluded the vote for like a trillion days and counting.

I wanna hear more about sprit’s group of 3 theory.

I'm willing to focus on non-Mac scum. LC's vote also pinged me hard as did some of his votes while you guys were in the dream world. Also agree 112's vote was scummy and iaafr seems to have been saved more than once. And ditto on Radishes, he just wants to kill whoever.

Jackofhearts2005 whose votes pinged you, if any?

Like generally or yesterday?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:29 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:09 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:59 pm I can't remember a game where Mac was recruited.

He's talking about the Fallout game I think. I was endgamed and conceded.

Yeah, that’s the one.

You’re so damn easy to read that when I’m 3P and don’t even want to catch scum, I can’t help catch you.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 18#p547118

I wasn't even scum on day 1 you ninny

Jack: Mac is obviously town.
Mac: I WILL FIGHT YOU!

That post was from Night 3 anyway.

Radishes, Mac and LC had a progression on Epi including some answers to Epi’s 4 questions that must be answered.

Colin’s naked Iaafr vote is a good look. Like if Iaafr is scum, that puts him into lynch range when he isn’t defending himself. Even if he’s not, Epi clearly cared a lot more. Either way, Colin doesn’t give a shit about how he looks here and he’s making a vote that’s sub optimal for a wolf to make.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 60#p571460

Of course, Radishes follows this by saying the Iaafr voters are suspicious and Colin particularly looks like an Epi teammate but he doesn’t have the advantage of knowing Epi is town at the time (unless I have made a big mistake) so it’s forgivable.

Iaafr popping in 5 minutes from end of day to vote still reads terrible.

Drives me nuts that Radish thinks this is obvious town.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:24 pmI'm town lol

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:25 pm got 5 minutes then im busy till eod... let's iso 112 ive been randomly thinking maybe they scum after all

It’s problematic that I share like no reads with my top townread.

112’s vote is not amazing considering the quickly changing Mac read but iirc, 112 has at least suspected Epi for much of the game.

Juliets says actually, the lynch should be between her/LC/TL, which is a conclusion I would have disagreed with had I been around. That push would have been fine 12 hours before EOD but 5 minutes from EOD it’s very ???

At the time it was probably

Iaafr: Jack/Colin/Juliets
Epi: Mac/LC/Iaafr/112

So Juliets moving off wagon to LC puts a 2 vote gap between the two top wagons, which looks like Juliets defending Iaafr.

112 accuses Juliets of defending Epi...

Juliets moves right back to Iaafr, which basically negates the bad vibes from the earlier switch.

TL votes Epi and says he’s fine with Epi or LC.

112 floats a TL cfd.

Radish nixes it.

112 says see ya and dances off. Probably a good look, esp if Iaafr is scum.

I mean, 3 wolves to go. We still have a few mislynches. Wolves aren’t going to be that blatant. Probably.

I guess the only really bad vote yesterday is Iaafr. TL’s vote isn’t great.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:33 am jack reading associations off of assuming i'm scum is so questionable lol

One post after you float the idea of one of us being mechanically scum.

K.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:37 am quick memorybased thoughts on why jack and mac are likely scum:

it's now known that drago was bussy and prone to shading partners. he quoted a post of eva's that called me scum based on disagreeing with my reads and said "oh you're scum and iaafr's town, cool"

the other big shade that's memorable from him was calling jack's townread of creature really suspicious. not very strong association, but it still stands out to me.

epi and dom seemed to have convictions at some points that mac was scummy. i remember end of phase 2 especially, dom called mac and radishes in particular scummy. and his feeling that mac was being weird and scummy never died. evenstar called mac's difference from his meta out too early d1, which i read 2 phases ago as potentially spewing mac town, but now i realize that the team did a lot of mutual sussing.

i thought it looked good for mac at first, that mac was like, to eva, "oh now it makes sense you're scum." but i've started thinking, especially with epi flipping town, that that was scum/scum interaction. evenstar-having teams defniitely dont have qualms with early distancing, and early is a great time to do it, before you have to commit to votes later in the phase and so it'll show up prominently in the iso.

so yea, mac or jack. feeling more mac, right now, as you can probably tell, but i need to do more thorough investigation on both.

Is there supposed to be something in here that leads to this part of the conclusion?

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:01 am i mean really pawn could easily be scum still

Jackofhearts2005 if youre town could you stop reading situations assuming im scum? its literally the opposite of correct. also whats your current read on mac and read on colin minus associations with me?

Hard town but I haven’t done the iso Juliets requested yet. I thought I could rush through what appears to be the last Fire Emblem chapter before the time skip but I was wrong.

It’s entirely based off gut and my history of being able to read Mac correctly without really even trying.

That’s about Mac. Colin has low posted so I should probably reevaluate him. Obviously, he looks better if you’re scum.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:07 am if jack is town, a plausible team in my eyes is some mix of mac/colin/pawn/radishes

Yeesh. Yeah, that’s a tough world for town Jack. I have three townreads in that list.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:25 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:32 am That post was from Night 3 anyway.

Quoting a day 1 post

You quoted a D1 post on N3 and I quoted you and you quoted me and I quoted you. Scroll down. It’s from N3.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:31 am i mean ngl jack is a pretty decent direction to take fmpov so keep pushing there and i might end up joining you

I’ve got some bad news for you. I’m actually unlynchable.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:32 am Today should be about resolving the day 1 counterwagon imo. Jack is the only one left on a wolfy counterwagon. He should be lynched.

112 hasn’t even flipped and you couldn’t lynch me if both you and Iaafr were double voters.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:33 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:31 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:30 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:29 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:15 am but yeah dead epi + dead dom is screaming to me to sus mac, since they both did

isnt really an issue to me that they tunneled me, they dont know me

they know mac

he should die

Epi literally called me a fool from the grave. If he didn't die with a townread on me he died very much reconsidering his suspicion.

what? he deadposted game related content??????

He posted a gif calling someone (obviously me) a fool.

whys bringing this up a thing tho this feels so gross man

Agreed tbh.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:38 am if mac is town quin is potentially a good direction to look

i shouldnt be taking him out of my scumpile just for saying he likes me in like... town/town wagon situations

I’m never gonna re-evaluate you when I disagree with every push you make.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:40 am im actually just going to sit on quin for now

theres no way we should be taking this guy any further into this game as far as im concerned

also why do people even think he's town in the first place again?

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Cause Michelle was probably the cop and he’s probably green peaked and if he isn’t, the mafia thought he was, which makes him town regardless. Same for Pawn.

I don’t understand how Iaafr can post 25 times in a row and only quote another player once and flip around a bunch of his reads and change his vote a couple times.

Getting 404 errors over here.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:56 am long con's iso looks better than quins but maybe in a scummy way

The fence sitting is unreal. I couldn’t make this shit up if I tried.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:14 am How do you know what the Mafia thought?

Because they janitored her after she made some very very very certain reads and one was that Elephant was for sure a wolf.

If Quin or Pawn was scum, you let Michelle flip, confident that she isn’t the cop or if she is, she “confirms” a wolf.

If Quin and Pawn are town, you don’t want her to flip cop and confirm two townies so you janitor her.

Doesn’t actually matter if she was the cop. The wolves janitored her because she might have been the cop because her reads on Quin and Pawn were right.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:08 am i think pawn is the safest copout lynch but i need to find a scum other than him today and he might not even be scum except he probably is

How is anyone not reading this as antispew wifom?

Like imo, Iaafr has been in antispew mode for three day phases now and if I’m wrong, I’m angry at him and if I’m right, I’m angry at everyone else.

But I’m not that angry except that I am but not really.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:24 am ok ive done more reading and ive flipped again on mac as he predicted

mac is now locktown in this phase

jack is fine too

Losttravolta.gif

And the background is like a weird battle anime with lasers and boobs flying everywhere.

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:27 am clear eveyrbody whos been wrong on a lot of stuff

I have no scumreads!

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:16 am for being 3p

112 town
iaafr town
Jackofhearts2005 town
juliets town
Lady Lambdadelta town
Long Con scum
MacDougall town
Master Radishes town but leading 3p candidate
Pawn Lelouch scum
Quin scum
Rej / ColinIsCool town
Trustworthy Liberal town

8 v 3 v 1

if we kill 3p, 6v3 worst case if he gets another kill today (3p kill is very likely poison due to eva death)

which is still one extra ML

if we fail to kill 3p, it rly depends on how much kill power per phase he has. which is what TL has been saying.

radishes is the leading 3p candidate unless somebody else wants to put forward another theory.

He’s the last 3P candidate after me (because my 3P game is just memes memes memes).

Nutella and Eva were very townread with Radish being a clear outlier in scumreading Eva.

Town Radish could shoot (poison) Eva because he suspected her.

3P Radish would be happy to push impotently on Eva all day. If he shoots her and she’s town, he’s way more likely to be lynched. If he shoots her and she’s scum, he’s way more likely to be nightkilled.

Ergo, Radish is not a third party killer/poisoner.

I swear I laid this out earlier and I swear you said you read me.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:41 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:36 am i am resisting the urge to tunnel colin at the same time and i think its probably wrong to tunnel colin. one at a time. long con is the target.

I gotta say you are ... looking townier than I thought you would at this juncture.

This is another one of those candid camera games.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:30 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:08 am i think pawn is the safest copout lynch but i need to find a scum other than him today and he might not even be scum except he probably is

This summarises my thoughts on Pawn.

More Candid Camera.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:52 pm I think iaafr is one of my top townreads after seeing his latest spate of posts .... what’s become of me?

Idk. Convince me.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:44 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:16 am for being 3p

112 town
iaafr town
Jackofhearts2005 town
juliets town
Lady Lambdadelta town
Long Con scum
MacDougall town
Master Radishes town but leading 3p candidate
Pawn Lelouch scum
Quin scum
Rej / ColinIsCool town
Trustworthy Liberal town

8 v 3 v 1

if we kill 3p, 6v3 worst case if he gets another kill today (3p kill is very likely poison due to eva death)

which is still one extra ML

if we fail to kill 3p, it rly depends on how much kill power per phase he has. which is what TL has been saying.

radishes is the leading 3p candidate unless somebody else wants to put forward another theory.

He’s the last 3P candidate after me (because my 3P game is just memes memes memes).

Nutella and Eva were very townread with Radish being a clear outlier in scumreading Eva.

Town Radish could shoot (poison) Eva because he suspected her.

3P Radish would be happy to push impotently on Eva all day. If he shoots her and she’s town, he’s way more likely to be lynched. If he shoots her and she’s scum, he’s way more likely to be nightkilled.

Ergo, Radish is not a third party killer/poisoner.

I swear I laid this out earlier and I swear you said you read me.

I don’t think it matters what Eva flipped as. The entire association with Eva, followed by killing her, immediately leads you to your conclusion (except I don’t see a world where Radishes is lynched if Eva flips town). It’s a savvy move by a savvy player but you got fooled bud.

So you’re saying my logic is totally sound so Radish made a wifom play?

Fine. That explains why you discount my townread.

Now why is he 3P?

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:32 am mainly because him being scum seems incompatible with long con being scum and long con is lock scum

and i kind of feel like the 3p wouldve gone down layers rather than stayed in the caffeine crew? kinda baseless feeling i havent investigated the flavor and dont really intend to maybe Jackofhearts2005 has thoughts on that

I mean, yeah, it would be flavor appropriate but idk how close to the flavor we are.

So you have to implant an idea by going down to limbo with a team and fighting the subscious. That isn’t necessarily the movie Inception but rather the world of Inception.

There is flavor pointing to us being in the later only. Like Eva flipping as the extractor instead of Leo and Drago flipping as the forger instead of Tom Hardy. Or somebody named Simone (not a character in the movie) appearing in several host posts.

So thematically, 3P character is Leo’s wife, Talia. If Leo isn’t actually part of this game, thematically, the 3P role is a massive question mark.

It may even be “the mark,” aka Cillian Murphy. He was a “townie” on DL1 but a “wolf” on DL2 and DL3.