The Syndicate

*Sometimes

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:56 am i am no longer worried about jack

Is there an actual case on anyone not named Mac?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:20 pm I've been meaning to find this. This was Marmot's tie-policy in Mountain Mafia:

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:34 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:08 am @Marmot any chance you can tell us how ties are handled?

In the event of a tie on Day 1, no one is lynched.

In the event of a tie on any other day, one of the tied players will randomly be chosen and cast into the abyss (lynched).

I think it's best if we avoid drawing any conclusions based on the no-lynch result.

This is gonna be super controversial but how bout we just not end the phase with a tie for once? Happens more than 50% of Day 1s and Day 2s by my estimation.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:34 pm Jack - even though we’re no longer posting in emoticons, the content is still far too light on for someone who is Town to be posting - I think it looks like he’s hiding something...

My content is a bit light due to being in too many games (4+about to host+following MK) and having a busy day today but it's NAI. I was talkative in ME, Pirates, BvR and I was bad in those games.

Lolwut? Wrong game?


I still think Mac is bad (really really bad). I will try to find some other baddies today since nobody believes me.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:04 pm Effective immediately, speedchuck has replaced Sloonei.

Townreading Speedchuck.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:12 am I was balls deep in Buffy at the time.

Hitching my wagon to INH's Kyle train without reading Kyle's defense. I'm sure this will annoy him.

Make no mistake, I suspect Kyle on my own. INH just spells it out better and adds to it. Also, I strongly think INH is town so that helps.

More people need to vote and provide content so I don't feel like a dick if Kyle gets lynched and I'm wrong. (I can see it now. "Jack is bad for trying to distract away from his teammate, kyle"/"Jack is bad cause he knew Kyle would flip good." No.)

[mention]nutella[/mention]
[mention]Kylemii[/mention]

Why aren't you voting?

*switches back to Mac*

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:27 pm nutella
Kylemii

Why aren't you voting?

*switches back to Mac*

the poll doesn't expire til tomorrow and i'm just kinda chilling, i guess. i should probably be putting more effort in since people want to kill me, I'm just tired lol. 3 games is too many games for any mortal man

I misread. Thought we had an hour and a half.

I read Kyle's defense and INH's response and declare that INH has a longer johnson.

That is, I think Kyle is even more likely to be bad than before.

Mac jumping on a player I strongly townread is NAI for Mac. If he's town, whatever. If he's scum, it's just WIFOM with Kyle. Don't really care. Doesn't hurt either him or INH.

Gimmie some more of your rawness, Rabbit.

Just pick a different color.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:00 pm can someone who's voting for mac explain the case against him

I know you read my post about it. You said it made you think I was more town than before.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:52 pm what is the primary difference between a civmac and a mafmac, metawise?

Idk, but I assume if I see Mac a way 3 times and he's civ 3 times and then he's here and he's different and he's kinda sorta saying things that are inconsistent...he's bad.

But maybe I just don't know Mac. (Yeah, I got to say it this time.)

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:28 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:52 pm what is the primary difference between a civmac and a mafmac, metawise?

Idk, but I assume if I see Mac a way 3 times and he's civ 3 times and then he's here and he's different and he's kinda sorta saying things that are inconsistent...he's bad.

But maybe I just don't know Mac. (Yeah, I got to say it this time.)

is this a reference to "you don't know jack" the popular computer game from the 90's

Yes.

The legacy post is not super impressive.

Speed is there because Mac suspected Sloonei.
DF is a townread for Mac prior to putting him as a legacy scumread. Why? Don't know on either count.
Wilgy has been a lynch suggestion from Mac, saying he's unreadable. Bleh.
Timmer was not mentioned prior to the legacy scumread. Why? Don't know.

Bleh.

Time to rainbow up and inject some life into this thread.

Or do we went to play gth?

Nobody but Sloonei is here to play gth with me.

Agreed with Speedchuck about the low vote counts being easy prey for scummers.

I have a slight scumread on Long Con and I still think Mac is bad. Otherwise, I pretty well agree with that list.

Very slight town read on Rabbit.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:58 pm Agreed with Speedchuck about the low vote counts being easy prey for scummers.

I have a slight scumread on Long Con and I still think Mac is bad. Otherwise, I pretty well agree with that list.

Very slight town read on Rabbit.

Lol salad. U bad. Suxorz.

Tell me more.

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:04 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:58 pm Agreed with Speedchuck about the low vote counts being easy prey for scummers.

I have a slight scumread on Long Con and I still think Mac is bad. Otherwise, I pretty well agree with that list.

Very slight town read on Rabbit.

WTF? So I say nothing and get town reads......

I guess....

I looked into your heart.

And got a slight town read.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:36 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:58 pm Agreed with Speedchuck about the low vote counts being easy prey for scummers.

I have a slight scumread on Long Con and I still think Mac is bad. Otherwise, I pretty well agree with that list.

Very slight town read on Rabbit.

Lol salad. U bad. Suxorz.

Tell me more.

I have one bar of h.

Huh?

Why kill Mac? Even if he wasn't a suspect, he wasn't doing a lot to help the town. He even said himself he wasn't playing s very good game.

It's possible Frodo has some sort of misdirection power.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention]

Didn't you just host a game where Wilgy was completely unhelpful and yet he was town as can be?

I'm not really sure how to deal with Wilgy, generally, when he's not super invested.

Without thinking about it too much rainbow.

Glorfindel
insertnamehere
speedchuck
Epignosis
rabbit8
DrWilgy
DFaraday
timmer
Long Con

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:50 pm oh my gosh, DF only had 8 posts. Is that why you have him so low on your list Jack? Or anyone else that suspects him?

He's done little to make me think he's town.

Not a fan of setup kill theories and here is why.

Player A suspects Player B and Player A gets nightkilled.

Without fucking fail, someone will come in and say the Player A kill is to setup Player B, who is town.

Only on very rare occasion will someone take the opposite stance, that Player B is bad and killed Player A to take some pressure off.

Additionally, I have never seen a scummate on this site attempt to set someone up by killing someone else.

So...fuck all that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:07 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:03 pm Not a fan of setup kill theories and here is why.

Player A suspects Player B and Player A gets nightkilled.

Without fucking fail, someone will come in and say the Player A kill is to setup Player B, who is town.

Only on very rare occasion will someone take the opposite stance, that Player B is bad and killed Player A to take some pressure off.

Additionally, I have never seen a scummate on this site attempt to set someone up by killing someone else.

So...fuck all that.

You know what I'm not a fan of?

You not voting.

Man don't even get me started. This is twice now I've come in ready to rock only to see we lynched a townie already.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:08 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:39 pm okay, I am going to be lazy. I see we have 10 players....wait...9 since wilgy was just lynched (RIP). Can anyone tell me how many mafia we have left and how many are civs? Anyone care to give me a rundown of what is going on? Or are you all just a bunch of inactive nerds?

If you look at the first page you can see how many of each faction are in the game (3 mafia) and that all the lynches to date have been civs. So unless the mafia killed one of their own at night - highly unlikely - there are three mafia still in the game. That leaves 6 civs if I did the math right.

That's interesting Jack but I have certainly seen the set-up in games that I have played, maybe on other sites but several of these players - Long Con, rabbit, Epi, INH - played on those sites with me. So I still think it's possible. Also why didn't you vote?

linki

Cause I was unloading groceries and fielding Fire Emblem questions.

I'll let you know who I would have voted for in a bit when I catch up. Absolutely wouldn't have been Dr Elf Eyes tho.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:19 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:17 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:07 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:03 pm Not a fan of setup kill theories and here is why.

Player A suspects Player B and Player A gets nightkilled.

Without fucking fail, someone will come in and say the Player A kill is to setup Player B, who is town.

Only on very rare occasion will someone take the opposite stance, that Player B is bad and killed Player A to take some pressure off.

Additionally, I have never seen a scummate on this site attempt to set someone up by killing someone else.

So...fuck all that.

You know what I'm not a fan of?

You not voting.

Man don't even get me started. This is twice now I've come in ready to rock only to see we lynched a townie already.

I just don't understand why you didn't at least vote. You voted speedchuck last time. You didn't vote him this time.

I don't like your tone, mister.

I don't remember voting Speed. I trusted Sloonei and Speed replaced him. Pretty sure I voted Mac yesterday.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:27 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:08 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:35 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:33 pm Wait, no, that speedchuck vote looks tasty! Change my vote to speedchuck.

Any particular reason for that?

Long Con, I didn't see an answer to this question and it has become important for my ability to analyze what the suspicion of speed/sloonei is all about. Could you be more specific about why you changed your vote to him?

Well, here's my whole post, which speechuck cut in half:

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:33 pm Wait, no, that speedchuck vote looks tasty! Change my vote to speedchuck.

Just... Mac is on speedchuck, and if he wants Kyle lynched then he can do it himself at this point.

I originally broke the tie between Mac and Kyle, but then I saw Mac was solo-voting speedchuck. Figuring that MAc would come back and vote Kyle to save himself, I didn't think my vote was the most effective there. So I voted speedchuck alongside Mac and then Glorfindel triple-tied it. Short answer: flailing.

#Disgusting

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:19 pm Effective immediately, Elohcin has replaced timmer.

She's gonna be unhappy.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:18 pm Have people been voting at the last minute in this game?

It's a problem.

Due to my excellent pattern recognition abilities, I have discovered that days that end at 7 pm are really sucky for me. My son goes to bed around 7 and my daughter around 8. I do mt best work between those two hours while rocking the baby or waiting for the kiddo to finish washing her hands. Or while it's a slow work day. Or after 8 when I'm in bed and my wife is asleep or close to it (the kids are small and we are sleep deprived).

So basically 5-7 is my least productive mafia time and that's when I'm needed most in this game. I'll try to get a vote down and say what needs to be said before 5 from now on.

Also I think you are bad.

Got to end of day. I'd have voted Long Con.

So funny enough, my rainbow is practically unchanged.

I had some pings from Epi that were basically like "Epi lead a Wilgy mislynch" and "Epi is now going after townie me" but upon reading the full day and some of yesterday, I still really think he's town. He's trying. He can fake frustration but he seems to be genuinely trying still. That's good.

Still really think Speedchuck is town too. I like his reaction to LC, even if it was somewhat muted.

Glor is still no lying Glor.

I'm rereading Timmer, DF, LC and having some antialignment troubles

Suspects

Timmer/Eloh: Nothing Timmer has done all game has sunk in. I don't like any of his votes except the DF one. I think Timmer really wanted DF dead when going after DF early on...but then didn't really try again. Possible antialign with DFJuliets. Possible buddy with LC as he basically dismisses accusations on LC with a "wait and see" attitude I expect from wolfmates.

DF is just kinda DF. Juliets comes in and is super nice and gracious and then follows Epi on a bad lynch, preventing LC from being lynched. Comes across as buddying. Here's the thing, though. She does the same to LC. Also there's the potential anti alignment with Timmer/Eloh.

LC: Just tone pinging me all game. I think his Speedchuck vote explanation is junk.

Need to reread LC and DF fully.

Kinda leaning towards a Timmer/Eloh + LC scumteam but I need to find the other baddie cause it's probably not Juliets.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:27 pm Jack I just want to clarify who do I come across as buddying? LC?

Me, Epi, LC.

Probably wrong.

That makes me feel better about rethinking you.

Cause I POE think you're bad again.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:40 pm Cause I POE think you're bad again.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:56 pm Stupid POE crap and it isn't even based on my actions whatsoever.

I concur. How does one 'POE' in a game with no scumflips, all-vanilla roles, etc?

Having Eloh as a scumread just because you have stronger townreads on everyone else is not POE, because nobody is truly eliminated. It's more just bad scumhunting that lynches people like Wilgy.

I didn't vote for Wilgy, eh? I argued against that. But even so, the WIlgy lynch wasn't a terrible one because Wilgy didn't work to keep it from happening. (This is frustrating to me. I've lost at least two games due to Wilgy mislynch. Yet I've also seen him nail half the baddies on Day 1 without using words. I don't need Wilgy to hit home runs every game but I'd appreciate him at least swinging every at bat.)

Anyway, this sounds like a wording problem to me. POE is constant. I am always trying to take a suspect pool and narrow it down to decide the best lynch choice. If I "eliminate" you from my suspect pool because I think you are good and I "eliminate" Mac from my suspect pool cause he's dead and I know there are 3 baddies left out of x players and I reduce that to y players to make us more likely to lynch baddies...how is this objectionable?

Yeah, it's easier with cops or scum flips but this is the same thing we do anyway.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:51 pm I'm sorry, but I cannot go back and read 21 pages at this time. Jay, how about you give me a bit of what has gone on so I can weigh in and actually prove myself a bit.

Glor claimed town so we know he's town.

Sloonei came out Slooneiing. I and a few others expressed belief he was good. Mac said he was bad. Speed then replaced Sloonei and while not doing amazing, hasn't pinged me at all. Epi has also expressed belief he is good.

Mac and Wilgy more or less got himself lynched and Mac almost did the same but was nightkilled for some reason.

I'd appreciate it if you would ISO Juliets/Timmer, LC, Rabbit and weigh in on them.

[mention]speedchuck[/mention]

So do you think I'm not hunting?

Eloh's free to try to take herself off the suspect list. I'm not going to lynch a high poster who I think is town over a low poster I have no read on in the name of fairness.

Tell me about Juliets, Speed.

Giving up is not necessarily scum indicative but it ought to me.

Mafia can benefit from townie sympathy and thus fake giving up.

Townies actually giving up doesn't help the town.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:38 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:51 pm I'm sorry, but I cannot go back and read 21 pages at this time. Jay, how about you give me a bit of what has gone on so I can weigh in and actually prove myself a bit.

Glor claimed town so we know he's town.

Sloonei came out Slooneiing. I and a few others expressed belief he was good. Mac said he was bad. Speed then replaced Sloonei and while not doing amazing, hasn't pinged me at all. Epi has also expressed belief he is good.

Mac and Wilgy more or less got himself lynched and Mac almost did the same but was nightkilled for some reason.

I'd appreciate it if you would ISO Juliets/Timmer, LC, Rabbit and weigh in on them.

Jack, I notice you have me listed as "juliets/Timmer". It should be "juliets/DF". Not sure if that was just a mistake or whether you are thinking I replaced timmer but I didn't want there to be any confusion.

That was a mistake.