The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:38 pmI still think Nova’s initial post about catching Sabie looks like a joke in a vacuum.

I believe that you thought it was a joke. That doesn't make me feel great about your mindset when reading page one though.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:52 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:42 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:38 pmI still think Nova’s initial post about catching Sabie looks like a joke in a vacuum.
I believe that you thought it was a joke. That doesn't make me feel great about your mindset when reading page one though.
Name a single game I have ever played with you where I wasn’t joking in my early posts, where I’m seriously down to business scumhunting on D0 and expecting Nova of all people to be doing the same.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Jackofhearts2005 telling jokes. That is irrelevant. This is a matter of novaselinenever and your perception of his post. After he had both made that post and expanded on his rationale, you still assumed he was joking. That suggests to me that you weren't really reading the posts to any thoughtful depth as necessary to play Mafia as an uninformed civilian -- even on the first page.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:53 pm I see it’s gonna be one of those games.

You know, I do a lot better when Jimmy isn’t death tunneling me.

If you're a civilian, I don't matter. Find the mafia.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:50 pmSo because I don’t think Speedchuck saying “Hullo guys” is town indicative, it must be because I know he’s actually scum?

It "must"n't be anything. I don't care about "must". Within the framework of a theory in which you and speedchuck are both mafia members, yes that is the case.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:50 pmI’m mindful about why Speedchuck is suspicious because you said you suspected Speedchuck and didn’t tell me why so I went to look for what he said that was suspicious. If I’m scum with Speedchuck, I don’t particularly give a damn about what makes him suspicious until someone else points it out because if nobody does, I wouldn’t have to react to it.

What mafia "have" to do and what they "actually" do form a Venn diagram which is much closer to a sideways 8 than a circle.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:05 pmI’m also not going and finding follow up posts when someone tells me Nova’s first post looks authentic.

nova's follow-up came 29 minutes after the original post, and is only a slight scroll down the page. I don't know how you see the one-liner and then miss the paragraph without having no interest in getting reads.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:47 pm [VOTE: reywas] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:09 pm
reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:06 pm i feel pretty good about Triple J now, so i'll remove him from my mafia read list. His posts are all very thoughtful and insightful....and they all seem to be a legit effort at finding the evil among us.

Yes, tell us more, sloonei. I'm all eyes....or ears if you decide to use vocarooooni
Yuck

[mention]reywaS[/mention], what is the difference between my recent posts and my less recent posts?

I won't bother updating the 2/2 thing I was doing unless someone specifically requests it. I had no immediate plans other than squeezing reads out of people.

Sloonei's standing has improved. POE continues to tighten around the necks of those who would try to kill us all.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:04 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:03 pm I won't bother updating the 2/2 thing I was doing unless someone specifically requests it. I had no immediate plans other than squeezing reads out of people.
I'm lazy about mafia right now, and could really benefit from someone squeezing reads out of me.

Then you should provide them. I will squeeze.

Two people you trust and two people you don't trust: go.

[mention]reywaS[/mention], please tell me how you feel about Jack.

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:07 pm reywaS, please tell me how you feel about Jack.
He's on my would lynch list....which now only includes him. His posts give me lots of stank eye

linkitits (giggity) why are you so interested in how i'm reading you then, sloondog?

Why do you read nutella as a civilian?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:23 pmcolonialbob, suspects Jay for acting very town and getting the ball rolling, inserts himself into nutella and speed's dispute with a lot a almost "fake" sounding questions, and has an issue with Jay typing "rey" instead of "nova"

Can you show or tell me what you're referring to in the highlighted portion?

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]
[mention]Lunalee[/mention]
[mention]novaselinenever[/mention]
[mention]nutella[/mention]
[mention]reywaS[/mention]
[mention]Sloonei[/mention]
[mention]speedchuck[/mention]

And anyone else who may be present that I cannot see:

We're doing gun-to-head reads. Tell me you're present. Participation is mandatory.

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:27 pm it smells bad....real bad. Like he didn't feel comfortable just saying "JJJ is being helpful...that feels townie." He had to add all this bullshittery into it to make it sound more insightful when he's actually saying the exact same thing with 2 cups of I know how mafia is played on a macro level please believe.

to quote a chocolatey treat i once read ....."YUCK"

This might be my favorite post in the thread. Good one, rey.

Let's go. Click your refresh buttons. Get to it.

We begin now. You must quote my call-out posts so it's easier to count. You may only declare "good" or "bad" for each player. No neutrals or nulls allowed or else.

LEETIC
REYWAS

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:35 pm LEETIC
REYWAS

good
good

SLOONEI
ELOHCIN

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:37 pm SLOONEI
ELOHCIN

good
bad

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:39 pm good
god

y'all

JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
LUNALEE

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:40 pm JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
LUNALEE

shit
bad

JACKOFHEARTS2005
SPEEDCHUCK

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:43 pm JACKOFHEARTS2005
SPEEDCHUCK

bad
bad

NUTELLA
SABIE12

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:45 pm NUTELLA
SABIE12

good
good

NOVASELINENENVER
COLONIALBOB
AUDREYTHETATTLETAIL

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:46 pm NOVASELINENENVER
COLONIALBOB
AUDREYTHETATTLETAIL

good
good
good

The fact that none of us were willing to call leetic a mafioso despite has having only 9 posts suggests to me that the mafia team (assuming they participated in some capacity in this exercise) is willing to grant him to the civilians.

There is potential for confirmation bias in that, but oh well.

I don't care for Jack feeling a need to explain most of his reads in the midst of the exercise. They don't have to make sense; we're spitting shit out in a hurry.

[mention]speedchuck[/mention], I'd be interested to hear about your present feelings on Elohcin, regardless of the GTH read.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:14 pm Voted for jack again

whyzzat

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:16 pmThere’s no pleasing you.

I know you're trying.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:16 pmExplained reads are worthwhile. The point of gth is to force townies to try to read everyone and to force scum to say things period.

Of course they're worthwhile in a vacuum. I'm not talking about their worth. I am talking about the mind state of the person providing them under the specific circumstances in which they were provided.

Also, the "purpose" of gun-to-head reads is to be used however the hell anyone wants once they exist. There's no instruction manual.

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:20 pmsloonei and nutella were my civ reads in the 2civs2bads read FTR

k

I guessed

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:21 pmThen there’s nothing wrong with me explaining my reads. As always, I do what I want.

Please talk about nutella.

I would love to hear thought processes, rationale, or any tiny fragment of what drove everyone's reads (either way) on Audrey.

I screwed up the counts for Lunalee in my figure. Ewps.

I've just had an idea for a way to use GTH data that I've not tried before. The following is a ranking of the number of shared mafia reads that each set of two GTH participants had in the exercise:

Shared mafia reads for each set of two participants:

speedchuck and reywaS = 4 (Elohcin, Jack, sabie12, Audrey)

Jay and nutella = 2 (Jack, speedchuck)
Jay and Jack = 2 (Elohcin, speedchuck)
Jay and speedchuck = 2 (Elohcin, Jack)
Jay and reywaS = 2 (Elohcin, Jack)
nutella and nova = 2 (reywaS, Jack)
speedchuck and nova = 2 (Jack, sabie12)
reywaS and nova = 2 (Jack, sabie12)

Jay and nova = 1 (Jack)
nutella and Jack = 1 (speedchuck)
nutella and Lunalee = 1 (reywaS)
nutella and speechuck = 1 (Jack)
nutella and reywaS = 1 (Jack)
Jack and Lunalee = 1 (colonialbob)
Jack and speedchuck = 1 (Elohcin)
Jack and reywaS = 1 (Elohcin)
Lunalee and speedchuck = 1 (Audrey)
Lunalee and reywaS = 1 (Audrey)
Lunalee and nova = 1 (reywaS)

Jack and nova = 0
Jay and Lunalee = 0

I'm not entirely sure how to use this information, but I wanted to put it all here so that it's readily visible. It strikes me as something useful.

Expanding from the previous thing... total number of shared mafia reads with whoever:

Jay = 9
nutella = 8
speedchuck = 7
reywaS = 7
Jack = 6
nova = 6
Lunalee = 5

I might be willing to give Luna a little credit for this. Her reads seemed to emerge from somewhere other than popular opinion, and only one of them strikes me as a convenience (Audrey).

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] and [mention]reywaS[/mention], I would very much like to know how each of you reads the other with at least some detail.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:34 pm Curious why everyone is townreading Jay so hard. Jack has explained his already.

They think I suck when I'm a bad guy.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:37 pm Who wants to lynch Audrey?

*prolonged fart noise*

I would welcome anyone providing an argument in favor of Jack being a civilian. There's been little verbal resistance to his candidacy for badness.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:47 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:37 pm Who wants to lynch Audrey?
How about a lynch that might actually give us information

Seriously, since when has an inactive lynch ever benefited town

Each time the lynch has flipped mafia.

(it's not an option that excites me)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:08 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:47 pm I would welcome anyone providing an argument in favor of Jack being a civilian. There's been little verbal resistance to his candidacy for badness.
Aren’t you answering your own question?

It’s a crappy argument on its own.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:43 pm Despite being ill I will continue to play. well out of the available options of people who have been voted for I'm willing to go with either speed or jack.

I hope you feel better sabie, and I appreciate your willingness to soldier on. :sparta:

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