The Syndicate

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:28 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:06 am Rej, why is Dragomir a civilian?

Dragomir, why is Rej a civilian?

I don't know how to articulate it my thought on him.

Alright, seriously. Let's sit down and have a heart-to-heart right now. Posts like this cannot continue to happen if you're a civilian -- they are going to continue to get you into trouble and eventually it will get you lynched.

If you genuinely don't know how to articulate it, that's okay. You're human. However, you need to try to do it anyway. There must be something about Rej, whether in his tone, or a specific thing in a post he made, or in his voting behavior -- something that gives you the confidence to vote for someone other than him. His lynch is your best chance at survival, and you're not going that direction. That's important, and it will really help the field to interpret your play if you can try to explain what's in your head.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:31 am Could you explain how with the yellow?

You fielded fake suspicion from mafia in that game. It may contribute to a mindset now where you're more likely to view suspicion of you as fake and mafia-driven.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:34 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:29 am [VOTE: Fayt] aubergine

Why?

1) ancillary suspect
2) reducing the dominance of the two lead wagons while I look around for a wagon I like more

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:35 am Ok, give me a minute. I feel like I just got lectured by my dad.

That's why they call me literally only I call me Papa Jay.

Rej is a better lynch than Dragomir, I think. I have doubts about both wagons with respect to the tone of both in response to criticism and with respect to their refusal to cross vote.

Does a mafia Rej on the chopping block decide that his best bet on Day 1 is to defend Dragomir and go after a very unlikely lynch of me?

It can make a little sense if they're both mafia, but even that seems dubious. Most teams probably just bus here.

Alternative wagons are available, but they're underwhelming by definition. I have these people:

Fayt
sprityo
TSP

I don't feel any confidence calling them civilians. They also have < 5 posts, so.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine can go ahead and answer my beefs.

be back in a bit

I don't see the transition from these:

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:55 am Back to JJJ : I feel you are way too agressive to get a clear civ read from me. I dont know how scum profits from this but we got 2 fast wagons started up. And I feel town does not profit from these wagons. We still have time and need to wait for some replies.

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:44 am JJJ is a wolf who's goal was to have 2 wagons running up in D1.

to this:

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:40 pm The @Dragomir case

Dragomir imho really plays off, I agree once to novas point that Dragomir is basically powering through. Drago comes off a bit offminded (if that's a word). I used so many off's sometimes I could think of an "uff". Drago only dared to counterpush JJJ and even when I placed a vote on JJJ Drago did not try to safe his ass. Some points that make it hard for me to read Drago, and if he is town he often gets himself read easily. That's also why Dragomir sometimes is a good N1 kill if there is no protection around him.

All in all Dragomir feels like he is hiding something, could also be anything tbh. He is unclear to me and indeed partially scummy for my taste.

If Dragomir is "hiding something" and "indeed partially scummy", then why is his wagon not profitable for the town?

The deadline is in 3.5 hours. This thread better not be a tortoise at that point.

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:48 pm Correction: Mac softpushed Dragomir by pressuring against his argumentations. The real push was on me. So he subtily pushed Dragomir and then went onwards to me. Conveniently? Or strong scum hunting play?

I'm not entirely following what you're saying about Mac. I believe Mac pushed Dragomir for a while, and then when he pushed you, he also by extension stopped pushing Dragomir -- he suspected you of TMI that Dragomir is a civilian.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:01 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:06 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:39 pm I'm voting for Dragomir. I'm probably wrong. I don't care. I do stupid things. Like chase cars.

This really pisses me off. Epi is bad.

I.... think this is genuine frustration. I never actually placed a vote on Dragomir but if I had I would be unvoting right about now. That opens up the Fayt avenue (mac's spew theory) so I may look in that direction

What? Why is that the post that moves you?

Everyone, reads on nutella. Go.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:19 pm Hmm, would scum Nutella stop pushing me or continue pressing the very likely lynch? I'm inclined to believe the latter. So right now, Nutella is in good looks.

Rej is the leading wagon, not you.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:27 pm Uhhh weren't you calling me lock town just a minute ago

No. Also who cares? Why does this question exist? I hate it.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:28 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:27 pm Uhhh weren't you calling me lock town just a minute ago

No. Also who cares? Why does this question exist? I hate it.

Not a question, I actually thought you did. I must be thinking of epi/mac/someone else. I swear you called me town. Didn't you?? Now it's a question lol

I called you town. I didn't call you "lock" town. I don't know why that is important to you when you are answering an accusation.

Rej's play to this point is certainly confusing. I don't follow the thread of his reads on anyone really apart perhaps from his read on me.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:39 pm I was just surprised that you suddenly had an issue with some of my posts out of nowhere. I know you try to avoid confirmation bias from your reads, but if you had previously townread me I just don't understand how you found anything wrong with those posts.

My initial town read was driven by the highly specific bit from your earliest post(s) about nova and mindmelding. It was meaningful on Day 0, but the dynamic is ever-adapting. As my own Dragomir read shifts to civilian I then have cause to look for opportunists trying to bury him. You seem like a viable candidate.

I'm eager to know what [mention]Turnip Head[/mention] thinks of Rej's most recent stuff.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:19 pm I'll support a Dragomir vote. I was too annoyed earlier to talk about it, but now I am more chill...just to any case made against my Day 0 posts.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:30 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:58 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:55 pm I just felt like doing that.

Ok how about talking about why you felt that way?

>Trying to go with the grain
>Hiding behind off-radar and focusing his attacks on an already suspected target. Similar to the first point.

LC = bad for me. It's only one post. A bit too early to tell if this is the direction that LC is going for the day with. Because of those 2 things, I'm not married to this read, but this is how I feel right now.

My post was an entirely facetious post, following JJJ's demanding line of questioning. Dragomir sees it as an "attack" on him, the "target".

I don't care for this either. Dragomir interpreted a facetious post as not being facetious. Long Con jumps right onto the wagon on that basis. There's not enough deliberation or communication here for my liking. It's just immediate judgment and essentially nothing thereafter.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:39 pm I was just surprised that you suddenly had an issue with some of my posts out of nowhere. I know you try to avoid confirmation bias from your reads, but if you had previously townread me I just don't understand how you found anything wrong with those posts.

My initial town read was driven by the highly specific bit from your earliest post(s) about nova and mindmelding. It was meaningful on Day 0, but the dynamic is ever-adapting. As my own Dragomir read shifts to civilian I then have cause to look for opportunists trying to bury him. You seem like a viable candidate.

That's a load of hot garbo. I pushed on him a fair amount, but never even voted and I backed off on my own volition when he started to look genuine. I ain't trying to bury shit.

The lack of a vote is a separate but related concern. Whatchoo waiting for?

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine, it's time for your Day 1 vote. I don't expect you to do a lot, but I expect more than nothing.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:49 pmNut is town

y

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:26 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:19 pm Hmm, would scum Nutella stop pushing me or continue pressing the very likely lynch? I'm inclined to believe the latter. So right now, Nutella is in good looks.

Rej is the leading wagon, not you.

Oh right. Gonna have to rethink this then. @Nutella do you suspect Rej?

[mention]nutella[/mention] fixing the mention

Rej voiced suspicion of Dragomir, so the mutual defense thing no longer applies. It also makes me like the current non-vote less.

Fayt is mildly suspicious. I'd prefer to offer the Day 1 pass to the newcomer here.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:14 pm Sorry about inactivity i was coming back from vacation and had a hard day. Going to catch up asap and @ you with reads.

I know I'm excited.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:16 pm Can someone tell me what's up before i start reading? Is close to my sleep hour and i would prefere direct interaction.

Dragomir and Rej are currently the lead wagons, as you can see. You could start by assessing each of them.

Dragomir
Rej

Decide how you feel. If you'd prefer to vote neither, indicate someone you suspect in their stead.

I have far too little knowledge of where [mention]speedchuck[/mention] stands on most players.

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:27 pm (Apologies if I ask a lot of questions, DDL said I can ask in here as well. Mindmelds? Is that something like people agree with? Couldn't find a definition when I looked it up).

Always feel free to ask questions!

A "mindmeld" refers to two players who completely agree on something, or arrived at a conclusion the same way.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:47 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:09 pm Low-key wanna scum read Jay for being tryhard just cause it'd be funny.

That's a turnaround.

Acting like Dragomir's joke is an actual read that he reversed.

k sure

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Guess I'll make me a bonafide case, reckon?

speedchuck gave me this "ew" in response to my prod of Dragomir. As soon as I provided the most obvious translation available ("why"), speedchuck bailed on the ew entirely. Rather hard to buy that progression.


Just mentioned this. Meh.


"whoa"

"self-destructing"

Nah


Orange: sure it's goofy, but speedchuck knows well that goofy and evil are not equivalent.

Red: this just looks fake to me at face value. Even if Dragomir is mafia, it's not "obvscum", and "lolcatting" would be essentially the same thing anyway. "Is Dragomir always mafia, or is he just mafia?"


Non-read on Mac with a built-in suspicion-by-default clause -- not an ideal response to Turnip Head saying why Mac is a cat.


Epi observed that speedchuck hadn't voted yet at this point. This then contributes to the negative environment for both players without meaningfully investigating their alignments. It's a question directed at everyone and by extension at nobody.


"small point in his favor" is meh. chuck's vote is still there with so sign of moving.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:17 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:16 pm Can someone tell me what's up before i start reading? Is close to my sleep hour and i would prefere direct interaction.

Dragomir and Rej are currently the lead wagons, as you can see. You could start by assessing each of them.

Dragomir
Rej

Decide how you feel. If you'd prefer to vote neither, indicate someone you suspect in their stead.

Also about Rej, he pinged me to see me posting. This is not a scum behaviour and that post, the first i've read, sounded okay. Not a Rej scum read yet either. Ftr anytime i was villager i could read him and he knows it. Scum Rej would not @ me.

Thanks for your input Michelle. At the very least, I think you sound authentic in your report.

Your task would seem to be finding a suspect you like better then.

Those who haven't already provided a read on speedchuck are now required by law to do so.

Deadline in 71 minutes. Let's go.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:16 pm "Hard to buy speedchuck's progression in this obvious joke."
"How dare speed not buy Dragomir's progression in this obvious joke."

Mine was not a joke at all, so it certainly wasn't an obvious joke. "Tell me more" meaning "expand on your read" meaning "why" seems pretty obvious though.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:16 pm Yes. I was mitigating your comment because I don't think it excuses the behavior. Meta reads are trash. And Rej just popped an 'interesting' tell a few posts ago, so that's juici. Where should I be moving?

Do you think Rej is bad?

At this rate I am frankly inclined to lynch a low poster. I've the most active suspicion of Fayt among them. I hate lynching newcomers on Day 1; I'll do what I think is best though. I feel no obligation to keep sprityo or TSP alive either.

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:29 pm wait, Epignosis is also playing?

just looked at Long Con. He went like -> interaction with JJJ/push against Dragomir -> distancing(?)
Long Con did you distance yourself there?

What do you mean by "distancing" here?

Someone tell me why Long Con is a civilian.

[mention]Rej[/mention], as far as I am concerned your vote is on Dragomir right now. You're exploring ideas and asking questions, but the day is over in less than 40 minutes. Who do you want to lynch?

I have mild concern about Fayt's initial conditional reading of Dragomir and I (in terms of whether we're teammates instead of whether we're dogs or cats in isolation). It's not a remotely confident read. Fayt can have another day to get acclimated with the place.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:46 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:44 pm Someone tell me why Long Con is a civilian.

His entrance and D0 were great. He was dancing through the thread lol. Liked the energy and him messing around, felt like someone having fun instead of an anxious scum trying to break the ice with light jokes and fluff to avoid getting down to business and contributing

Is that good enough right now? I mean I liked the dancing puppy gif, but who cares about that?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:47 pm I have mild concern about Fayt's initial conditional reading of Dragomir and I (in terms of whether we're teammates instead of whether we're dogs or cats in isolation). It's not a remotely confident read. Fayt can have another day to get acclimated with the place.

What is the concern there? Reads to me like someone who thinks two persons aren't team-compatible with how they interacted with each other.

Well sure, that's the message they were conveying. The concern I have is that it doesn't actually amount to a read on either of us. If Dragomir is town, I can be mafia. If Dragomir is mafia, I can be town. Or we can both be town. Okay? Pick one. It leaves a lot of avenues open.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:55 pm How do you feel about Speedchuck after his response to your iso?

A bit better. He doesn't seem challenged to involve himself in the hunt when there's fire under his arse.

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:58 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:46 pm Rej, as far as I am concerned your vote is on Dragomir right now. You're exploring ideas and asking questions, but the day is over in less than 40 minutes. Who do you want to lynch?

I have my vote nowhere for exactly such a moment. We can agree on doing the Long Con gamble lynch. Else my lynch would be wasted on others I feel, in a sense that we can't get enough votes maybe.
So my vote on Long Con should be bringing us forward.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Gonna take a smoke, gonna check all 5 minute instances.

Why is Long Con a "gamble" lynch any more than whoever? Or the guy you just told me you find suspicious?