The Syndicate

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:21 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:26 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:10 pm @sprityo you weren't an MVP nominee for this!

Why the focus on sprit? First and last time you mentioned him before this was in a list where you said you plus'd him (town read?).

Sometimes sprityo is responsive to the ol' motivational sack tap.

You moved off him two posts later tho

did his response satisfy you or

I wasn't intent on waiting around. I tapped his sack and left him to respond to it however he may -- the primary objective was to light a fire under his arse. He's a very capable hunter when he wants to be. It looks on the surface like he has been responsive here, though I have not read everything I missed.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:46 pm I am mostly interested to see how sprit does his VCA hunting thing that I really like, but there's a lot of other things at the moment, and part of that is a reason why I asked you about it. The nanook / sig thing was going on and I didn't understand why you deflected to sprit when there was plenty of other stuff to focus on.

I am inclined to view sprityo as civilian, and if so he can be a great asset. So anything that pushes him there is worth a go.

[mention]nutella[/mention] I'm going to dig into Jack's recent posts. As I do that it'd be super if you could say how his view of you has impacted your view of him.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:54 pm Like Nutella is playing what I would expect from her if she tried really hard to mimic her town game.

Or she’s just town.

Like she’s hitting her scumtell a and her towntells.

This seems to be the epicenter of the Jacktella quake. I am brought to wonder:

How do we (we who know nutella) anticipate her to respond to a post like this, where is she is told she is playing to her norms in both alignments? This is an accusation from Jack after all, even if "softened" by the town half of the presentation. I'm not surprised nutella called it garbage, or that she wondered aloud if a mafioso Jack would be so obvious as to openly hedge in this manner.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:01 pmIs that where it started? Did he push any harder?

Because I'd be surprised to see nutella offended by this cushy push. More like 'meh' and 'jack do you even have an opinion'

It has become a significant interchange -- he pushed harder and she pushed back. I'll leave nutella to answer the second line.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:49 am http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... Australian

JaggedJimmyJay
juliets
sprityo
And anyone else who may think I’m too serious to be townJack or that I could be wrong or lying about Nutella being mafia, read my interactions with Nutella in that link with the knowledge that I am town and she’s a wolf.

This game is practically a rerun.

I've reviewed this at least quickly. A few notes:

~ nutella's responses to your suspicion in that game do not look like this one. In that game her initial responses were almost fluffy and jovial -- she used "lol" and laugh emojis and made a Pokemon joke. Eventually she lost that persona after constant hounding from you, but even then she was a piece of wood. She was serious and obstinate, but she was emotionless. This time she has responded to you with proverbial ~angery~ energy.

~ Your own handling of nutella looks similar enough at the onset. The comparison here is a bit difficult to draw given that I don't think she handled you the same way then, which then leads to differences in your handling of her. At the least though I can see some parallel.

Primarily, consider following this exercise yourself with your present read on nutella in mind rather than [people's] present reads on you.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:41 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:41 pm [VOTE: Jimmaaay] aubergine

Take that.

For his controlled voice that I can't trust.

Oh Dizz, giving me the bizz. To be frank there is some element of "control" in my play, at least this little temporal segment of my play since maybe halfway through 2019. I am Zen Master Jay. The game of Mafia became outright burdensome and not fun for Emotional Jay, and he kinda sucked too at the end. We seek equilibrium. We seek the glory of human reason.

Om ॐ

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:28 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:22 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:20 pmOh right, I forgot they're not in order. Eh, not putting in the work myself.

Roster size depending, 4th slot is more often the scum slot than any other slot, in my experience. (I've not done any statistical analysis of this.)

Yeah, I've heard that before about the 3rd or 4th vote, but it kind of makes me want to do fart noises lol. I feel there are way better tells with any particular vote in any particular game than what a universal number can be.

Don't get me wrong, I'd never stake a game on it. But once someone pointed it out to me I found it proved true more often than I thought it would.

After a juicy flip I'd look there first, and ISO/keep an eye on the player in question for any other tells.

How much do you care about this?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:51 pm It was early in the game still when posted, yet was confidently shading barely-posting players in green/orange. I'm not against an early reads list, but I'd expect it to have a lot more grey on it.

First, S~V~S was correct that it was comparable to a set of gun to head reads. I refuse to incorporate neutral, null, yellow, or gray nothing reads into my play except when a player has exactly zero posts. As soon as any one post comes into my universe, it is possible to form a judgment -- even if barely.

I am skeptical that you have reviewed any significant portion of this game thread and then determined that the worst thing you see is a reads list.

[mention]Master Radishes[/mention], my vote is on you because the breadth of your content has made me feel nothing. Much of your content is nothing. Your most recent foray into the thread has featured reads or hunting pursuits that strike me as arbitrary.

~ The fourth voter thing is meaningless.
~ Suspecting me because I posted a reads list in a Mafia game is hard to believe -- particularly when you initially went after Mac (whose joke list came immediately after mine).
~ This comma-laden Sloonei read is everywhere and then after review stayed nowhere

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:30 pm Chances of Juliets and Jack being teammates are now near zero. Postmark it.

juliets is my top civilian read in general.

Someone please explain your/the case against nutella to me like I am five. I can't be spending time tinkering around the thread myself right now. I don't see it, but she made me look like a doofus on Mafia451 so idfk

[mention]nutella[/mention], generally, do you feel that Jack reads you well this game aside?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:46 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:45 pm nutella, generally, do you feel that Jack reads you well this game aside?

I mean, yeah, I can't deny that he generally has a good track record.

And would you say that, again this game aside, he knows you feel that way about his track record?

Thanks for your efforts, juliets. I'll be reviewing your ISOs.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:47 pm Thanks for your efforts, juliets. I'll be reviewing your ISOs.

What effort?

She just wrote a whole-ass bunch of shit, for better or for worse. I want to ensure she knows it isn't being ignored.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:54 pm juliets bothers me.

She has 18 total posts. Very few of those posts are interactive questions. Rather, she's done two investigative style posts, one on Jack and half a one on nutella.

That is unnerving, because I'm used to seeing an engaged civilian juliets peppering people with questions and trying to piece things together. All of this feels like busy work. Even the conclusion on Jack is a weasel:

"Jack is very good at being scum. I need to think about and/or get feedback about my points above or other points about Jack but he is a possibility for my vote today."

Her general detachment is a fair point. I have some thoughts here otherwise, but I would prefer she answer for herself first.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:57 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:47 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:46 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:45 pm nutella, generally, do you feel that Jack reads you well this game aside?

I mean, yeah, I can't deny that he generally has a good track record.

And would you say that, again this game aside, he knows you feel that way about his track record?

...Yeah? I guess?

Why

If he knows that you think highly of his ability to read him, then it would seem a bizarre decision to jump into this game and immediately fake a mafia read on you. What's the mafia motivation for Jack?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:00 am If he knows that you think highly of his ability to read him you, then it would seem a bizarre decision to jump into this game and immediately fake a mafia read on you. What's the mafia motivation for Jack?

correction

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:02 am I've been over this, I went through a few possibilities and think it is more likely he is town (or scum who honestly thinks I'm on the other team). I could still argue for some motivation to pick me off as an easy mislynch though again that makes more sense as the parenthetical scenario.

I'm left to interpret your previous suspicious on the basis of my question. Was your initial assumption that he was trying to pick you off as an easy mislynch? I'm not sure an easy mislynch of nutella is even possible.

Separately, why do you trust me?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:08 am Do I trust you? I think I do. You seem pretty standard town Jay so far, nothing has irked me. But you're not clear by any means.

Something I recall from The Doofus Incident in Mafia451 was that, as I read you wrongly and defended you, you were my best pal. You never threatened me, you left me be, and you even gave me some jolly ol' nudges with the elbow. I don't know of many examples in recent memory of a civilian nutella treating me so peacefully. I am unnerved.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] can I get that five year old oriented case summary? You don't have to bring out quotes, just give me the absolute cliffs so I have clear direction as I snoop for myself.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:22 am I'd rather hear why juliets is a civilian to you, JJJ.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:38 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:30 pm Chances of Juliets and Jack being teammates are now near zero. Postmark it.

juliets is my top civilian read in general.

I mean come on.

I think her approach to this game so far maps closely to what I have seen from her as a civilian in most-recent memory. The ISOs she has provided, for example -- she has made a point lately of trying to add that layer to her game. This isn't the first time she has given it a shot. Indeed, that's why I offered that reassurance that I would check them out. I believe I recall her suggesting in a previous game that she wasn't good at it and/or nobody was reading them, and I want to reinforce the effort positively. I love the addition to juliets' play. I am not surprised to see her struggling to come to hard conclusions from that work given what I [believe I] know about how juliets thinks. She is careful. She takes her time. She weighs every possibility she can think of. I just think it looks authentic.

Separately, Jack touched upon one of the thoughts I withheld previously: it makes a ton of sense for juliets to be wary of Jack. The two of them were the Inception end game, and it worked in his favor to her detriment.

You are right that she is lacking in activity level compared to those recent games, so that is something she should speak to.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:24 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:18 am Jackofhearts2005 can I get that five year old oriented case summary? You don't have to bring out quotes, just give me the absolute cliffs so I have clear direction as I snoop for myself.

This feels like it should have been brought up like... a day ago?

The Jack/nutella dynamic has developed quite a lot in the last day. I've also been working all day.

I could lynch speedchuck. I have no reason to call him a civilian. The only half-substantive post is an assertion that I don't agree with:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:35 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:19 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:15 pm I also don't get Jack's so sure read on you. Is that normal for Jack, anyone? I seem to remember a more tempered town!Jack.

In my single game (Inception, a few months ago) Jack looked like he was trying to play like he is now, but without being too noticeable. He was scum in that game, so in retrospect I feel like he was trying to imitate his town game as he perceives it.

This makes me hesitate to vote Jack right now, as much as his overall play has been a bit questionable.

I find that town Jack is more unsure in late game in confident end game and scum Jack is the other way around.

Did you mean "early" there? How does this version of Jack stack up?

Mac's whole "I will prove X based on previous mafia chats" thing is a good replication of his treatment of me in Dogs vs. Cats (he was a civilian). It came out with the same kind of aw-hell-naw suddenness too, so I doubt that was a deliberate move.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:57 am I’m doing a thing on purpose and this is me saying so so that later, I can say it was on purpose and people will believe me. It’s not all that important. I just know Dom or Jay will gut think it’s bullshit and it’s not.

k

Cheers Nanook for giving a day of work before blowing yourself up.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:38 am Your first line is exactly what I thought he'd be like off a skim, I just wanted some confirmation. I'm the same and the fact that JJJ didn't really comment anything on G-man's post makes me raise an eyebrow at his response to G-Man.

he looked he was completely fine with the response. i have the same type of hunting and this bothers me.

G-Man's response made me feel nothing. It's a generic moan about being low on a rainbow. I would lynch him.

Mac dangled from Jack's balls re: nutella. Weak.

Serena is cute so sure. Sorry for being a shallow ass, but this is Gossip Girl we're talking about.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:42 pm The person who looks the most meh from nutella is jack in my opinion

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:50 pm Upon further reflection of ISOs both of these wagons are shiiiiiiiiiiiny turds.

Nutella I can see why people suspect her. The interactions starting when Mac wagoned on look pretty bad. But lynching nutella D1 after she gets defensive over some tunneling is wonky.

I have no idea why anyone would vote Master Radishes.

This post looks bogus.

Both wagons are shiny turds. But I understand why people suspect nutella. Here's a reason why I understand. But lynching her is wonky. But. Then the sentence about Radish is more strongly stated than would seem reasonable. No idea. Anyone. Dramatic

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:05 pm Wait, it's Night but we're posting? Is that a thing here?

often, not always

hunt

[mention]sabie12[/mention] I see a lot of things about nutella in your posts, but it's not clear why you voted her. Gimme the scoop.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:10 pm sabie12 I see a lot of things about nutella in your posts, but it's not clear why you voted her. Gimme the scoop.

Ive explained that I thought her playstyle was similar to what I've been seeing when she was mafia before. I'm also not the only one who suspected her. I also thought I had time to delve further into it before end of day.

Why does this matter?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:19 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:13 pm Actually I'm not going to bother finding the posts and quoting them. @Sloonei and @juliets, my response:

Well, I won't beg you but I'm really disappointed. I feel like I put myself out there for you in my ISO and you won't even answer my questions?

Never lynch juliets.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:13 pm The Michelle post I quoted earlier bugged me out, I’m not sure what it meant/if it makes any sense.

I have a thing to say, but I'll let [mention]Michelle[/mention] have at it first. Colin being bugged out

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:49 pm Yeah, I was just here to post gifs.
I'm with Radish that Nut wagon probably has scum. I mean, scum is like half the game anyway. Lol this game. But also, he should also consider that the same would apply to him if he is ALLEGEDLY town. Yeah, I saw him mentioned this in a later post.

Anyway. It depends on who got scum rules and all, but the more non descriptive quiet folks are the ones I want to see more from. Scum be hiding there often. Also scum likes to be off wagons too, so..

Good night, all.

I'm trying to find Radish mentioning that he could apply the same method to his own wagon and I don't see it. Do I understand you correctly?

Anyway the point is valid. It's goofy to focus on the nutella wagon as the competing wagon.

G-man bad

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:29 pm Wozzit called? Stream of consciousness. Thassit.

Since that post I have at least been told why someone would vote master radishes. This post was entirely based on ISOs

What'd you see in the ISO before you were told why?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:32 pm G-Man good

could be turbup, what you see

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:31 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:39 pm [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

He left the game long ago and didn't give me the villagery feeling he had in the inception game. I know he was 3rd part, but an independent can have towny posts easier than mafia.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:13 pm Although before I caught up I misinterpreted nutella as scum and read the thread as such, so some of my thoughts are useless.

I feel best about sig, his NANOOK suspicion and case felt really genuine. I also really like just about everything I’ve seen from ted. I like Jay so far, and Epi.

The Michelle post I quoted earlier bugged me out, I’m not sure what it meant/if it makes any sense. I agree with Epi’s concerne toward juliets.

Radishes isn’t giving me the same exact vibe as he did when I sniffed him out as 3P in Inception, but it’s similar ...

Consecutive Colin posts. I highlight two things yellow, one from Michelle and one from Colin, that follow similar themes. They discuss Radish as a third party in the Inception game with some kind of implied impact upon present reads. Michelle declares her read with a vote. Colin declares nothing and leaves the ellipsis. That's not inspired.

The non-read aside, I don't know why you'd be confused (orange) by what Michelle said, Colin, given that you talked about the same thing immediately thereafter.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:38 pm Consecutive Colin posts.

Actually not quite consecutive but whatever.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:42 pm Hes one of those civs who won't lose you the game but he may not win it for you either. He's the Ryan tannehil of civilians

G-Man has been known to push civilians to an AFC Championship Game out of nowhere on rare occasion.

Beef:

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:20 pmI’m going to see how much I can read from the lynch post forward before bed.

This was followed with a comment about the night poll and a single middle finger response to an accusation from ted. I'm not accustomed to G-Man being cranky butts.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] who bad?

Tony's posts make me feel nothing. I don't think he seems inauthentic, but I also don't see any posts that would be uncomfortable to produce by mafia fingers. Net negative.

I like Dom more. I think Dom has taken on an incisive, fierce tone that feels both authentic and generally civilian in character.