The Syndicate

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:14 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:56 pm nova, tell me about nijuukyugou.
Oops I missed this

I'm getting some decent vibes from her 3 posts. Mostly tone wise, strikes me as a care-free townie saying what comes to their mind on the moment and being upfront (forgot about the game, poll issues bla bla bla). Not seeing a shady nijuu hiding behind excuses.

I ask because I find niju's posts to be pretty similar to Neverwhere's (with the extra "I forgot" added in).

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:20 am I like Kites, anyone?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:59 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:55 pm why is kites a green skittle, i mean. JaggedJimmyJay
Of all the folks with a small post count, I think he looks the most genuine.

He seems comfortable and having a jolly ol' time.

For tonight's stupid-but-still-kinda-serious read:

Kites wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:53 am hi guys ! i haven’t played ina while ::

I'm not sure Kites returns after some time away, draws a mafia role, and then sticks an ominous

in his first post.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:14 am Talk to me

WHERE IS YOUR VOTE

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:25 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:24 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:14 am Talk to me
WHERE IS YOUR VOTE

On speed

CHECK THE POLL DUDE

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention], lemme get a full reads list, whether a rainbow or whatever.

I'd like to hear what you think of dunya, [mention]novaselinenever[/mention].

I’m glad you’re playing Kites.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:11 am Gimme a graded rainbow Jay

Maybe tomorrow. I’m tired.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:56 am i think jay is bad. i don't think there's an independent in this game and if there is, they aren't my threat which would mean they are either survival roles or a threat to the mafia team. does jay seem like he knows that from this analysis?

[VOTE: triple j] aubergine - what say you on this matter?

I say it sounds like an accusation that was derived at random. I have no idea what the setup is; that's the point. Trying to guess at it with so many plausible permutations isn't really an ideal enterprise.

What about those posts suggests to you that I know anything about that?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:08 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:06 am What about those posts suggests to you that I know anything about that?
you're not understanding me. i'm saying you don't and that's why i suspect you. you're pushing possible scenarios in your examples where an independent that could be a threat to town exists. i'm telling you there isn't one.

You're right, I don't know shit about whether there are independents. I have no reason to believe there can't be threatening independents in this game. I am not privileged to that information. Why do you think what you think?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:41 am Jay can I have an updated opinion on nutella please.

She and Lunalee remain my top suspects.

A bad thing about nutella at present is that she has seemed to lose some steam in her responsiveness to accusations now that they're coming from numerous directions. She was all fire and brimstone when it was just me, and she even said that about herself:

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:51 pm But I may need to revise my take on you if you are unwilling to change your mind. Usually town Jay calls me out for something, I respond with righteous rage, and he backs down saying I'm civilian because of my defense. But here you are refusing to see through to my town self. Take off the tinted glasses for five seconds or I'll assume they are glued to your face.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:13 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:10 am I am not privileged to that information. Why do you think what you think?
because i am privileged to know there aren't any. since i'm town, i'm gonna go on a limb and say you're not. fight me.

I literally have no idea what you're talking about.

Oh I see what you mean, dunya. I didn't even notice it in the bloody thing; it's rarely so explicit.

Suspect me for that if you like, I really don't care.

15 vs. 4 then is my guess.

ThReAtS tO tOwN

*spongebob meme*

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:18 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:15 am Suspect me for that if you like, I really don't care.
k

I will say that if you actually try to lynch me for that, that it will live on as the silliest thing you have ever done in this game.

By the way, if anyone wants to ask me to be more specific about this matter, don't bother. It's angleshooting.

[mention]dunya[/mention], Jack doesn't seem to know what you're talking about either. What does that mean to you?

Actually I don't even want to talk about this at all. I don't think it's kosher. I am ending my participation in that discussion.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:22 am Why are people voting for Speed and Nutella?

You just said you like speed, so cool beans. Why not nutella?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:26 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:13 am [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine
That's a good vote. Talk to me about him

This is a case where I'd prefer not to do that. Give it a bit first.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:27 am I don’t care about her read on me, which she riscended anyway. It doesn’t enter into my read.

Why is she defending Juliets and not Mac if between them, she suspects Juliets?

juliets was the focal point of the conversation. Mac was only even relevant by proxy and hardly mattered. Again I don't find that surprising.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:29 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:25 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:22 am Why are people voting for Speed and Nutella?
You just said you like speed, so cool beans. Why not nutella?
Mindmeld several times. I remember people suspecting her but not finding it convincing.

Share the mindmelds. It appears "spicy" wasn't actually a mindmeld, because she was voicing agreement with the juliets/Mac combination, and you have said everything you can to indicate that you did not necessarily agree. What else?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:30 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:28 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:27 am I don’t care about her read on me, which she riscended anyway. It doesn’t enter into my read.

Why is she defending Juliets and not Mac if between them, she suspects Juliets?
juliets was the focal point of the conversation. Mac was only even relevant by proxy and hardly mattered. Again I don't find that surprising.
It’s only spicy cause it’s Juliets and Mac.

If it was just Juliets it would be like “what if Juliets is bad?” which isn’t even a little bit spicy. Figuratively white bread with nothing on it.

It never had to be "Juliets and Mac"; I don't think this point is meaningful; I think you're losing yourself in your efforts to copy and paste your own logic and mindset into the brains of others.

Anyone can be lynched on any day if there is enough spirit and determination.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:36 am For real though I'm here.

I'm off the drugs and feel a little bit crappy. What should I look at?

Maybe a quick skim of the prevailing vote recipients would serve you well.

Time for lunch.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:43 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:27 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:26 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:13 am [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine
That's a good vote. Talk to me about him
This is a case where I'd prefer not to do that. Give it a bit first.
You changed your vote without doing anything with this.

Yeah I had a thing in mind and ran out of patience. I’ll talk about it later. It’s nothing spectacular.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:28 pm Now why is she bad?

All of that relates to "spicy". Have you mind-melded with her on any matters not relating to spice?

She is bad because she started the game doing nothing; she suggested there was nothing worth talking about in a thread of [at the time] 260 posts and plenty of reading/accusing; she implied that she should receive civilian credit for her energized responses to me (which themselves amounted to very little beyond calling me a nitwit until I really pressed for reads); she white-knighted you and it looked like bullshit; she white-knighted nova and it looked like bullshit; she made no posts that look civilian to me

I have not seen her newest content since my last departure. I'll see.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:13 am Hi Kites! I don't know if I've played with you before.

Here's some things I don't like about your post:
You're having trouble stating solid opinions on everyone (except Spacedaisy).
You include yourself in this player analysis with an excuse for why you will inevitably end up at the bottom of everyone's rainbow lists.
Your only opinion on Juliets is that a post of hers is "interesting".

This is terrible.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:43 am And wtf y'all are voting for me? Lazy
How does my townieness not ring through in my posts since quitting the song thing you guys are high
anyway reading gonna reply to bullshit as I see it

Show me what I am not seeing. Where has your townieness rung through, or where did you expect it to ring through?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:53 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:44 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:38 am I feel some of the people townreading me are bad. At least one of them

Feels like one of those games where I manage to post in a very obvious civ way which convinces people, but baddies already noticed that and are blending in.

I might get NKd soon.
I feel like I've been able to civ read you better lately. Things that I used to incorrectly read you as Mafia for I now see as civ traits. Tbh it was mostly my cynicism because I used to read you bad for having strong insights that I chalked up to TMI but I've come to realise that we sort of see the game similarly. The way that I have been handling our interactions in games lately is a lot of the reason I feel my civilian game has improved. That and taking a back seat more. I realised that even though I have strong insight into scum, that brute forcing my opinions into the thread was counterintuitive to civilian wins and started playing more cerebrally. Less plaudits but stronger results. Only took me 8 years.
Hmmmmmm

Unpopular opinion: Mac is bad

I don't care for that post either. Mac wrote a dissertation about why he thinks DDL is a civilian.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:29 pm It baffles me that no one seems to see what I'm seeing in Luna. She's been really out of touch with the thread, coming in and saying things on the sidelines that make little sense and feel like she's forcing herself to look like she has original thoughts (like prodding me for the lyrics and like her recent suspicion of kites whom everyone else townreads). She decides that kites is the suspicion she's gonna go with, says his response looks ok but refuses to change her mind. She basically said something like "no not gonna let anything sway me off this vote on this person I just decided is suspicious" Seriously how is that not the scummiest post in the thread

Does it annoy you that I just griped about that moments before you beefed here?

I will expand shortly.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:09 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:00 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:07 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:21 am dunya, Jack doesn't seem to know what you're talking about either. What does that mean to you?
I don't dig dunya's case myself but this post is pretty scummy.
DDL, why does this seem scummy?
It feels manipulative. He's using Jack's opinion (which is not even an opinion, is just Jack not understanding dunya's case) in order to try and make her feel insecure about it. He could argue with dunya but he's shutting her down by using group pressure.

I'm not going to argue about angleshooting.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:33 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:31 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:29 pm It baffles me that no one seems to see what I'm seeing in Luna. She's been really out of touch with the thread, coming in and saying things on the sidelines that make little sense and feel like she's forcing herself to look like she has original thoughts (like prodding me for the lyrics and like her recent suspicion of kites whom everyone else townreads). She decides that kites is the suspicion she's gonna go with, says his response looks ok but refuses to change her mind. She basically said something like "no not gonna let anything sway me off this vote on this person I just decided is suspicious" Seriously how is that not the scummiest post in the thread
Does it annoy you that I just griped about that moments before you beefed here? I will expand shortly.
You're still not caught up. I called it out first.

I've been calling Luna a top suspect all day. Cry about it.

Why I think Luna's most recent posts are bad:

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:21 am
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:55 am @Lunalee what is your response to the votes on you? What do you think of Jay and nutella?
Who was voting me? Because nutella is the only one I see now. I guess it doesn't really matter, but I don't really suspect anyone for wanting to vote me on day 1. It happens.

Zero concern for being the target of opportunism or anything like that is hard to believe.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:13 am Here's some things I don't like about your post:
You're having trouble stating solid opinions on everyone (except Spacedaisy).

This is a rationale pulled out specifically for Kites despite the fact that it can apply to so many others. It looks like a concerted effort to give Kites crap because you have to suspect someone.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:13 amYou include yourself in this player analysis with an excuse for why you will inevitably end up at the bottom of everyone's rainbow lists.

So what?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:13 amYour only opinion on Juliets is that a post of hers is "interesting".

At this point I tend to find accusations related to "interesting" themselves more problematic than their inspirations.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:31 am
Kites wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:28 am
yeah all of that is true, i don’t really have solid opinions this early on. 2nd i wouldn’t call that an excuse, i just predicted what will happen based on earlier games because of my playstyle. i’m not trying to or want this to happen though. you do have a point, that does look scummy but i assure you i have a heart of gold *pinky promise*

i was surprised no one called my list shit yet so i liked this post
dang, you're good. I almost don't even want to suspect you anymore. But nah, I still do.

I have to suspect someone.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:00 pm [VOTE: kites] aubergine*
*see previous posts for why

I have to suspect someone.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:30 am How can you have such a different opinion on Kites's post? Crazy. It didn't look good to me at all (unless we aren't both talking about his read post?)

Does not look authentic.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

For the second time, neener neener nutella

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:49 pm She wasn't angle-shooting she was accusing you of TMI

(Before anyone asks I can check this on my phone some ti es though I'm probably not catching up again so soon)

She was accusing me of NEI (not enough information) by way of angleshooting. To be clear, she didn't intend to do that. dunya is honorable.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:51 pm if nutella and lunalee were both off the table today, who is the top suspect?

As of right now if I remove those two, I am reaching into the lurker bin.

I could consider a Mac lynch.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:44 am I feel like I've been able to civ read you better lately. Things that I used to incorrectly read you as Mafia for I now see as civ traits. Tbh it was mostly my cynicism because I used to read you bad for having strong insights that I chalked up to TMI but I've come to realise that we sort of see the game similarly. The way that I have been handling our interactions in games lately is a lot of the reason I feel my civilian game has improved. That and taking a back seat more. I realised that even though I have strong insight into scum, that brute forcing my opinions into the thread was counterintuitive to civilian wins and started playing more cerebrally. Less plaudits but stronger results. Only took me 8 years.

Mac's laborious explanation for reading DDL as a civilian reminded me of a very specific moment from Shockheaded Peter:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:43 pm Effort isn't really the right word for it. He wants to get in there and mix things up. He's fucking relishing this game. Yeah, you can get this kind of enjoyment out of playing as scum but it comes later from when you can see the winning gamestate coming together or when you pull off a cool power combo or mislynch. It doesn't happen the thread opens. Jay isn't excited to get away with something. He's excited to hunt scum. That's a townie attitude.

That was mafioso Jack from Shockheaded Peter over-explaining a civilian read on me. The theory underlying this beef is that a mafioso will feel a need to explain very thoroughly to evade perceptions of TMI and to try to generate an impression of a real, developed mindset on very specific grounds.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:01 pm i forgot about jay because of this morning's embarrassing sticky situation, but he's also still a suspect.

What's done is done; obviously you cannot erase that from your brain. I just ask that you consider the full body of my content continuously instead of allowing that to infect your mindset for days. Because it was nothing anyway.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:03 pm Though that's a cool point Jay just brought up.

One reason why I recognize it clearly is that it's something I do constantly as a mafioso. I always get away with that too. Maybe not anymore.

[mention]Elohcin[/mention], could you summarize your gripes with nutella in just a sentence or two?

I also note that Mac's gripes with nutella, as they came in sequence during one of his catchups, were so similar to my own that they could have been copypasta. I see a lot of things in Mac that seem like pocketing.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:09 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:06 pm You say you're civiness is shining brightly and we should be able to see it, help me see it. Why are you a civilian?
My tone and sass mostly. I know you'll just say I can fake that but I really can't, last time I was bad I was obvbad

Would you call JaggedJimmyJay a nitwit as a mafioso?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:59 am Spacedaisy is tough to get a read on. I would put her and Jay in the same bucket of "can always be anything and would never surprise". Wouldn't vote.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:10 am
JaggedJimmyJay

Mac has given some manner of reads on pretty much every active player in the game except for one.

Me.

This guy.

How is JJJ the only guy with no read, ever, in any MacDougall Day 1? I don't give a crap about a green skittle in a rainbow and a weird proxy thing attached to Spacedaisy. Those are nothing. Mac is avoiding me.

Mafioso nutella in World Flags -- note that there are two mafia teams, so she was able to hunt

Mafioso nutella in Vanilla Mafia

I have not looked at these yet. Someone else can while I'm busy.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:43 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:40 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:27 pm [VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine for a horrendous display of doing nothing despite holding a precarious 2019 lead
Heaven forefend that I not post seven hundred posts over the Easter break on day 0. Sit down.
Don't care

Do things
Fuck off I have kids. Go fap to porn.

Mac can be dismissive when Jay is a dick.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:54 pm I felt quite the opposite to this Jack. It's a perfectly natural reaction from DDL to Jay spew.

Mac can read other people relative to Jay.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:57 pm I'd like to hear more about your Jay and Jack suspicions.

Mac can even ask about Jay!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:09 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:02 pm Nutella hiding behind a posting gimmick and throwing TMI all over the place then giving weak player salad suspicions without sincerity and preempting suspicion = die.
No TMI and I don't care what you think is salad.
Lady Jay should get her own personality

Mac can embed Jay into a diss.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:04 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:19 am Mac, who's bad with Nutella?
This is such lazy bullshit. It's like Jay is Agent Smith.

I don't know what this means, but hey look there's Jay!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:41 am Jay can I have an updated opinion on nutella please.

Mac can lob up a nice gentle softball for Jay.

~~~

What Mac cannot do is take a real stance on Jay. He can default Jay to "light green" in some rainbow, one slot above neutrality, because... I guess so?

Yuck.

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