The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:32 pm I searched for it, and apparently I reference Twelve Angry Men and Henry Fonda a lot.

I can look harder if you want, but I referenced that game in Mountains Mafia:

The Search for nutella

I remember other people's play better than they remember it.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:33 pm I see the point in Epi's exercise, but I don't think Collins not doing it is necessarily scummy, like maybe it's a good day 1 vote, but he's being active so I don't know.

Colin did the exercise. Not the argument.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:35 pm That's complete and utter bullshit JJJ and you know it. You are clearly being super daft at the original quote, which you have been called out for by others. Saying the interaction between you two is "interesting" is very clear. It was very sus that you would so strongly town read someone THAT EARLY in D1, simply because he gave his own reads that weren't apart of the major town babble. You keep conflating this as if bob had 100 post in Day 1, and 36 hours had passed or something. It was extremely early and on questionable grounds that you gave him such a strong read.

This however does not force the conclusion that both or either of you are scum, which you keep trying to use as a means to sus me for not directly stating such. I am simply making my take on an interaction known. Yes you could be scum buddies, or you could be using him for town cred. I don't know yet, it is something to build upon in later interactions between you two and others in the thread. To quote your system "you lost a point there". Now what you're doing is like someone saying "what do you mean by that JJJ? Why don't you just come out and say I'm scum!".

The fact that you've latched on to me so strongly from this, keep questioning my blatant as hell meaning with the quote, and now are trying to push this narrative that I'm ducking you, is very, very suspect, and I honestly don't believe you are this daft.

What is this and why should I give a shit?

No it fucking isn't.

Horseshit. colonialbob made posts and I made a read. You know what you did in response? Made a read. You made a read that you are presently calling "very sus". That's strong language. How can you have such a strong read so early?

I "keep trying to use it as a means" so hard that I said it one time. Fake.

We could be scumbuddies. I could be buddying a civilian for credit. I can't be town myself. Garbage.

There is nothing blatant about the meaning of "interesting" in a "read" being made in a Mafia game.

You're freaking the fuck out and spewing trash. Die.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:43 pm I see that's interesting

linki: Jay is being very aggressive., moreso then I remember?

Jay takes pleasure it ripping bullshit to pieces.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:46 pm I feel like his last post was emotional and sincere, and genuinely frustrated with you. (I know what it feels like to be at the wrong end of the stick with you).

the argument progression from scolding Epi's methods for being dangerous to town, and then calling him scum is suspicious, sure, but I will not be lynching him Day 1. I refuse to lynch any first timers I invited on Day 1. He deserves a chance to adapt after being thrown into such a huge game with so many new rules and faces.

How about a first-timer you didn't invite? Gimme those dunya intuitions on Dr. White, if you could.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:47 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:46 pm I feel like his last post was emotional and sincere, and genuinely frustrated with you. (I know what it feels like to be at the wrong end of the stick with you).

the argument progression from scolding Epi's methods for being dangerous to town, and then calling him scum is suspicious, sure, but I will not be lynching him Day 1. I refuse to lynch any first timers I invited on Day 1. He deserves a chance to adapt after being thrown into such a huge game with so many new rules and faces.

How about a first-timer you didn't invite? Gimme those dunya intuitions on Dr. White, if you could.

You and Epi have both actively ignored nutella. Epi was called out on it, and you have just played on. What's up with that? What's your GTH read on nutella right now?

I have been poking her along the way. I think she has said some suspicious things and I understand why you and Mac are peeved. I also think she has handled heavy pressure upright and resolutely. She does not appear phased at all, and has nearly matched her mafia-aligned post count of MK (4+ game cycles) already in this game. Gun to my head I say civilian. If she is mafia then she is playing it like Rambo.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:54 pm She has been forced to though. Post count nai.

I don't think it's NAI. I think some people are slowpokes even under pressure. Like Dr. White, for example, who is throwing poop at me a few times per hour.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:55 pm > It means others have noticed your blatant bullshitting about not knowing what I meant. Very simple.

Who wants to claim this? I don't remember seeing anyone saying that I should know what Dr. White meant. I do remember people saying "interesting" is not a suspicious word, but that's not the same thing.

And for you, Dr. White -- why is it relevant at all that "other people" have some opinion (whether they really do or not)? Does that make me scum?

Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:55 pm> Uhm, yes it is.

You don't get to make vague ass comments and then pretend your meaning was obvious. Please.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:55 pm> Yes because you keep bringing it up every time we converse. Hence my words.

No, I don't keep doing that. I said it once. You have now mentioned it twice without me having said it. You keep bringing it up.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:55 pmFalse equivalnce. You made a strong read off of ONE action. You did not state you read bob that way because of his body of post but rather solely because of his reads which weren't apart of the major town conversation. I called your ACTION very sus, not you as a player which would have lead to a mafia lean. I am now leaning mafia towards you due to your insistence on me combined with bad arguments, and your reactions in this conversation. So miss me with your bullshit.

That's right, I did make a strong read off of ONE (such drama) action. Sometimes ONE action is a selling point. Something ONE action inspires a read. Sometimes it's a strong read. I feel like you have to have never played Mafia before to really hold this perspective.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:55 pmI never said you couldn't be town. I was clearly replying from the standpoint of your sus action being due to you being nefarious. It's called context.

I know you didn't say it. You don't seem to have considered it.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:55 pmSo how else would you take that JJJ? You think I found it academically interesting and wanted to write a thesis on internet forum replies? You said yourself that you thought I was trying to say you and bob were scum buddies hence "putting me and bob together is too simple" and telling me to come out and say I think you are scum. I even explained this to you afterwards, and it was until our most recent exchange that you "finally got" your answer. Which is nonsense given well, I know you know how to read.

You're telling me that it should be obvious that by "interesting", you meant specifically that I might be colonianbob's teammate or I might be buddying colonialbob for civilian credit or it's just generally suspicious to have a strong town read.

None of that follows. You used a vague word and now you're portraying as a clear word. Fuck outta here.

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:55 pm What is 'nai'?

Not Alignment Indicative

Respond in mega-post form again if you like, Dr. White. I think the exchange has reached the point where it won't continue to be productive and will instead devour the thread. Other players can read and assess, my part in it ends here.

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:10 pm I also keep meaning to ask what tinfoiling is?

"tinfoil" is generally used to describe suspicion one has of a player who is generally trusted, or a back-of-mind fear about someone's motives

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:13 pm Adjust behavior accordingly ... as in, maybe night kill him? Weren't you just saying you don't understand what I was saying about that?

No. What I am talking about has nothing to do with night kills. I am saying that there are responsive capacities to whatever reads Epi might derive from his exercise. He might have certain expectations for how it will be handled or treated in this thread, and to tip off those expectations in any way neutralizes his ability to take advantage of his own move. I am talking behavioral adjustments by the mafia team in the game thread where he can see them.

I am less suspicious of you now that I was a few hours ago, so this doesn't need to remain a constant argument. Go hunt, find bad guys, and I'll continue to mull it over.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:16 pm Also can I get meta descriptions for DDL on this forum and nutella by any chance?

They're both pretty variable in their styles, so it's not the easiest descriptions to request (not your fault). Briefly:

I would say a civilian DDL operates in accordance with his own whims and pursuits, and doesn't necessarily concern himself with prevailing dialogues (though he doesn't avoid them either). He is reasonably active and assertive. There has been very little data on a mafia DDL.

A civilian nutella in recent memory has been active and assertive to a point. She plays loose and fires reads into the thread without a lot of concern for the consequences. Mafia nutella has been less willing to take concrete stances.

I would call these metas barely reliable if that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:28 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:22 pm Mafia nutella has been less willing to take concrete stances.

Like here you mean?

Is that like here?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:29 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:18 pm I am less suspicious of you now that I was a few hours ago

am I to blame?

You certainly played a role. So did Colin himself; the tone of his defenses has resonated if the content hasn't necessarily. Angry Bear is going to sit back in contemplation.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:22 pm

Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:16 pm Also can I get meta descriptions for DDL on this forum and nutella by any chance?

They're both pretty variable in their styles, so it's not the easiest descriptions to request (not your fault). Briefly:

I would say a civilian DDL operates in accordance with his own whims and pursuits, and doesn't necessarily concern himself with prevailing dialogues (though he doesn't avoid them either). He is reasonably active and assertive. There has been very little data on a mafia DDL.

A civilian nutella in recent memory has been active and assertive to a point. She plays loose and fires reads into the thread without a lot of concern for the consequences. Mafia nutella has been less willing to take concrete stances.

I would call these metas barely reliable if that.

You've called her out on exactly that Jay.

I did, sure, long ago when she'd made far fewer posts than she has made now.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:32 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:16 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:14 pm naming the players who have not posted this phase is not salad

"I would consider lynching X or Y or Z, or W to a lesser degree..." is prototype salad.

Player salad is a different accusation, dear RDW. I regret that you cannot yet know the beauty of the player salad.

I would not call nutella a confident civilian read and am open to a case.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:35 pm Motherfucker we have been making a case on her all damn day.

No offense, but I sometimes drown out MacDougall responding to every post with repeated accusations in a continuous string.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:35 pm Motherfucker we have been making a case on her all damn day.

No offense, but I sometimes drown out MacDougall responding to every post with repeated accusations in a continuous string.

No offense taken. I often drown out your posts too.

I understand.

It's funny, because the nutella moment I might find most suspicious actually was a conclusive read: that Colin and Epi are civilian/civilian.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:44 pm My decision is I might be lynching YOU. Your 300+ posts be damned.

Why?

I'll do the tally. Y'all don't do the tally.

I didn't track this tally by the thread itself, because that's a hot mess. I tracked it by ISO. If you're not accounted for properly or in the wrong order, say so.

[2] ColinIsCool - Epignosis, colonialbob
[1] sprityo - Dragon D. Luffy
[1] Quin - dunya
[3] nutella - MacDougall, gwilikers6, rundontwalk
[1] Dragon D. Luffy - Iron_Dwarf
[1] Dr. White - JaggedJimmyJay
[2] Epignosis - Marmot, Kites
[1] Marmot - Long Con
[1] TonyStarkPrime - nutella
[1] rabbit8 - sig
[1] Kylemii - TonyStarkPrime

No vote: ColinIsCool, Dr. White, DrWilgy, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, Quin, rabbit8, sprityo

AUBERGINE

Colin, who's bad?

Epignosis, do you have any reason to read nutella as a civilian?

Well that would be about the dumbest shit.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:22 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:19 pm Well that would be about the dumbest shit.

Why?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:48 pm My one-off power is a lynch switch.

I fully intend on using that today. I am going to decide who gets lynched if I don't see a lynch poll that I like. Colin is probably going to die. dunya maybe. I am here to burn out like a firework on the fourth of July. And I am drunk. And I will be drunk tomorrow. And I do you know what drunks with fireworks do? It isn't pretty.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:24 pm That's it? I'm not really drunk.

Okay. You do whatever you do and we'll see.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:28 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:26 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:24 pm That's it? I'm not really drunk.

Okay. You do whatever you do and we'll see.

I want to know this: If dunya is bad, how is anyone to know?

They know by finding cause for suspicion in her posts, making the case, and lynching her. They know by using night actions.

I don't give a shit about tinfoil if it's paranoia for the sake of it. JJJ and Sloonei are teammates.

AUBERGINE

[1] ColinIsCool - Epignosis
[1] sprityo - Dragon D. Luffy
[4] nutella - MacDougall, gwilikers6, rundontwalk, dunya
[1] Dragon D. Luffy - Iron_Dwarf
[1] Dr. White - JaggedJimmyJay
[2] Epignosis - Marmot, Kites
[1] Marmot - Long Con
[1] TonyStarkPrime - nutella
[2] rabbit8 - sig, colonialbob
[1] Kylemii - TonyStarkPrime

No vote: ColinIsCool, Dr. White, DrWilgy, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, Quin, rabbit8, sprityo

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:36 pm People think I'm playing. You all are acting like your votes matter.

I am picking. Right now either Colin or dunya is dying. I'm open to somebody else.

What is your suspicion of dunya?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:41 pm I don't believe her.

She posts a lot, and you give her credit for that even though you acknowledged in a post that this setup makes it easy for people to post a lot.

I think her nutella vote is an easy one.

I suspect her.

My decision is not final. But I will be deciding this lynch. Like it or not.

I acknowledged that the draft process encourages more fluff content. The draft ended a long time ago. Are dunya's 400 posts heavy in fluff?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:44 pm Can dunya make 400 posts as mafia?

Is the game 3-4 cycles along? Yes.

Is the game still in Day 1? I have my doubts.

Moreover, I don't care what she "can" do. I care what she "did" do. Disagree with the notion that mafia members don't detonate threads like dunya has if you feel like it. That means fuck all about her alignment in this game.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:50 pmThat's bullshit

You always say that. I haven't been wrong yet.

"Sloonei and JJJ are teammates"



Way too tired of Mafia to bother this time. Maybe someone else will bite.

It's pretty simple. If Epignosis actually follows through with any of this crap, lynch him immediately because there's no way he believes in it. If he doesn't, assess vigilantly and carry on, etc.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:00 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:59 pm It's pretty simple. If Epignosis actually follows through with any of this crap, lynch him immediately because there's no way he believes in it. If he doesn't, assess vigilantly and carry on, etc.

The last time you said this you were bad.

Good, then clearly it's not a tell.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:01 am What's my motivation in doing all this Jay?

Ask me this in a little bit. I want to see what happens first.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:07 am You don't care about my opinions, I don't care about your questions. see how that works?

To be fair I would like to know your read on me.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:14 am VOTE NUTELLA

I'm tired and have to go to my counselor tomorrow morning and won't be on the forum again until tomorrow night. Kinda think the mislynch thing is bullshit and it doesn't look like I'm the main target right now but if I am killed, hey, them's the breaks, I hope stuff I said will be useful to the town.

Even if I don't die, I want to say that this forum should evaluate its culture, especially when it comes to newcomers playing the game/new users joining. Not going to call anybody out because it's not just any one person. But people should not be this rude. This is just a game and we're all grown adults and you can be an effective player without belittling somebody or being nasty. You can think I'm a bad player or that I'm just being too sensitive, but I've been playing Mafia on-and-off for 13 years and I've never experienced anything like what I've seen happen to users at various points in this thread, so I know it's not me. And I've spent like maybe an hour rewriting this post and debating whether to say something, so this is not just an emotional reaction when pressured or faced with getting removed.

Hey Colin,

I apologize for any part I have played in your feeling this way. I play the game loudly and with fire, as it is what feels natural to me and it's what has worked for me for so long. I have no intention of belittling any other player or of demeaning their play beyond what is distinctly related to the search for mafia or the deception of civilians. Sometimes an argument can take on an intense character, and as I release my emotions into my posts I can understand that they'd be interpreted as hostile or as rude. I regret that. I respect you as a player, and hope you know that the aggression I have showed is a reflection of that. You warrant it because you're capable, and I don't think you can be taken lightly! I will make an effort to cool it with my harsh language and my candor, because it really is important to me that everyone enjoy this Mafia game.

Likewise, I apologize to anyone else I have frustrated or upset. We pride ourselves in a friendly and competitive culture here, and living up to that reputation is always the top priority.

I was the first to orange Quin. I will take all my cool points and go home.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:08 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:06 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:05 am I was the first to orange Quin. I will take all my cool points and go home.

You posted that rainbow in the fucking signup thread though. Doesn't count.

Especially after Kenway told me Jay was responsible for my SFII death.

I was replaced before anyone was killed.

Anyway I’m not posting anymore until EOD. I’ll watch developments.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:34 am Is there a potential civ reason for Epi lying about having a lynch switch?

Yes.

Potential.

EOD is in less than an hour and Epignosis has still done nothing with The Exercise.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:22 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:22 pm EOD is in less than an hour and Epignosis has still done nothing with The Exercise.

EOD is in 87 minutes.

I can’t find it on my phone. I thought it was 2:15 or so my time, 11:15 Oregon.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:25 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:49 pm Day 1 begins now and will last 48 hours. Please remember to call your votes in the thread as some powers and ties depend on the order of votes.[/ped]

Here you go Jay.

Beer emoji

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:05 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:42 pm

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:40 pm I still haven't really heard Epignosis talking about nutella.

Like I said, won't be the 10th time civ Epi refuses to do perfectly reasonable tasks because he's stubborn as fuck.

I answered the question. He isn't satisfied with my answer.

Kylemii asked me to make up an opinion on nutella. I don't even know where to begin with that.

Traditionally you’d start with her posts.

[mention]nutella[/mention] why do you read dunya as a civilian?