The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:33 am Jay has a theory that it's almost impossible for a baddie to completely explode a thread, to the point the entire thread becomes about him. He only recognizes two exceptions to it: MP and dunya, one time each. Jay himself has never broken that threshold as bad. Every time he did, he was a civ.

Some day I will break the thresshold.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:34 am Would you say you were also having trouble being that active in Steely Dan?

Early in the game I was not. Late in the game I fell off a cliff. It coincides with the same stuff.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:33 am I think atm if I had to choose between Gemma and Dragomir I’d go Gemma

Between those two, same.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:35 am Because you weren't quite exploding the thread in Steely Dan either, but I could feel your civiness in my bones.

I don't like to talk about other active games even if I'm dead, so I'm going to cut this off here.

When I did the trustfall I had to squeeze every blood vessel in my brain to generate a response for RDW.

I agree with DDL on the base premise that nobody in this game has been so active that I'd view it as a strong case for civilianhood. My faith in that mindset has diminished anyway in the post-dunya era. She obliterated even MP's example -- she posted at a higher rate than I've ever seen from any civilian in Fire Emblem. It was remarkable.

If she can do it, other people can do it. It's rare, but I've softened on that theory.

As a judge of activity, I'm less concerned with pure posting rate and more with how organic that posting rate seems to be with respect to the pace of the game itself. Luxurious is a good example here -- she's not hyperactive, but her play is such that she can serve that facilitator role that would often fall to people like Sloonei or myself effectively and I think it has promoted a more pro-civilian thread climate. That's a good thing. Raw activity doesn't always meet that standard.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:43 am RDW had a string of posts in Day 2 that felt like legit game solving with the little time he had.

Lemme see

All I see from RDW's Day 2 is a tag-a-long on the Dragomir wagon and a very brief interaction with you, [mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention]. Tell me what you like.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:47 am First is suspecting me for what he saw as cowardly shading on him. Second post seems like he's having beef on Jack for his sheeping on me. Third post feels like he's now giving me beef for being flickle, which he then reassesses after I explain him that I always play like that.

It's not much, but it's gameplay.

[mention]rundontwalk2[/mention] will have to clarify for himself, but I don't think it was his intention to shade Jack there. I think he was agreeing with Jack agreeing with you -- link. You stated a gripe with Dragomir, Jack agreed with it, and RDW used "this convo" as the basis for his Dragomir vote.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:53 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:25 am Among the "active" players I think Gemma looks the worst. Replacement be damned. 155 posts and no reads apart from this token set of civilians. I don't really know why those reads exist either.

Not to mention that replacements are often correlated with scumminess for some reason.

And man, replacing out because the person who asked you to join the game died? WTF?

To be fair MP isn't dead. He asked for a replacement too.

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention], tell me about Gemma.

Straw poll:

Who here believes any player in the poll should be given a pass or extension on the basis of requesting replacement?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:44 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 11:47 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 9:08 am Considering all the shit I have on my plate, it’s miraculous that I’ve given as much to this game as I have.

Now I seem to have caught speedchuck’s plague. I’ve been bedridden for like twelve hours. I’ll be here later when it’s feasible. Take it or leave it.

Both you and speedy are sick? You should be resting then. Mafia is probably hurting your eyes.

Jeez, I wasn't THAT sick. Just a cold and achy thing.

My nose has destroyed 3 rolls of toilet paper today. What have you done to me?

JessieKruger wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 1:07 am Mplus7 is likely scum feels like he has been under radar for a while will need to iso him .


I dont like novas defense of dragomir as well.

He was desperate for owners lynch .

I continue to be bugged by this. The notion of "desperation" is hard to take seriously, and it's unclear why that makes Dragomir bad in the first place. Looks fake.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:50 pm I am your host and I demand you get a box of tissues for god’s sake!

It'd last an estimated eight minutes. I could start a bonfire with these snot rags.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:42 pm Straw poll:

Who here believes any player in the poll should be given a pass or extension on the basis of requesting replacement?

I'd actually lynch one of them to help out Sloonei.

Works for me. I don't trust them anyway.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 2:43 pm Who else has requested replacement? MP, Gemma, and???

That's it, though I figure Tsaiah is on the market too.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 1:42 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:54 am Dragon D. Luffy, tell me about Gemma.

I dunno man, she has been kind of a big neutral to me all game. I really dislike any case based on "she posted a lot and didn't immediately give reads" because I feel like we have a bad habit of lynching people for having weird playstyles. But I don't have any particular reason to think she's a civ either.

Some players aren't inclined to "immediately" give reads, so I can attribute that to style without griping. As of Day 3 though with a lot of content in tow, it's hard to understand having no suspects.

I want to lynch people and none of them are saying anything.

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 1:43 amam glad i was right about epig at least, that was the only read i felt in my soul

Can anyone look at Gemma's progression on Epi and tell me how this read came to be?

EOD is in 3.5 hours and our poll is a splatter. Get in here, gang.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:02 pm I think she had TMI on epi, partly bc I really thought epi was bad lol

Kind of mirrors my concern. I don’t know how her read on Epi developed to become the only one she felt in her soul. They had that exhange early in the game when Gemma was accusatory of him, and then a cycle later there was nothing but a civilian read.

I hadn't even considered the hammer lynch. If that's enabled, the hammer is the 7th vote today.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:24 am

• Majority voting is not in effect.

nope

Does anyone have a reason to oppose a Gemma lynch?

Yes, there aren't many good ways to handle majority lynches here given our poll structure. The host has to be present at all times for it to work properly.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:02 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:54 pm Does anyone have a reason to oppose a Gemma lynch?

If this turns into DADV my anxiety will kill me

what does that mean

I'm not bothered. I've seen too many wagons go either way on that front, and I am skeptical that there is a concrete effect.

[mention]speedchuck[/mention], tell me about your vote.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:15 pm Doesn't mean the host would do such a thing. Cop and Watcher are useless for mafia.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:19 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:45 am The post above was blunt on purpose.

Truth is that last game I had a strong feeling Jay was civ and this time the feeling is missing.

He's doing stuff but I'm not quite feeling his strong presence in the thread as I normally should. He's not at the driving wheel.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

I guess the biggest deterrent to this is the Ultra relation but eh, that stuff could be faked.

So you find it logical that Ultra would decide that the person he will make his fake case on D1 will be his buddy, this bussing his own buddy D1 for some town cred or distancing? Ultra knew full well that he could make a good enough case on JJJ to actually pick up a solid wagon on him and get him lynched, but you're just gonna throw that aside?

Well this looks like TMI.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:24 pm No. I'm pointing out a bunch of stuff that you have to ignore to have a scum read on you.

Your tone is one of absolute confidence, and that is unnerving.

[mention]Dragomir[/mention] - All roles and alignments are randomized. Any role can be any alignment. For some of them there are modifiers if the role rolls mafia. The end. What does this mean to you?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:30 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:40 am Dragomir is 16.

He can't have been playing this game for long.

I've played it for almost 2 years now.

I didn't realize you were so young! I apologize if I have been a jerk at any point, and we're all glad to have you aboard.

I think Mac's behavior has been about polar opposite to what we saw in [active game] and Assassination Classroom. On meta grounds he is sharp. I grant that I don't remember anything he's done this phase.

It would seem he hasn't done anything this phase apart from GTH reads and fart.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention], make like MP and

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:31 pm [VOTE: M plus 7] aubergine... do something

My interactive analysis for Gemma was one of the least conclusive. It's a product of her scattershot style, I think, in that just about any post can be interpreted any way -- there's no readily apparent avenue to make concrete judgments. That's to her credit as a player, I'm sure.

I found no reason there to dissociate her from Ultra.

I could be mistaken, but I cannot remember off-hand seeing any instance of a player actually committing a "dumbtell" on purpose to gain credit in a game. I think it looks pretty authentic.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:08 pm Anyone give the cliffs on the Gemma wagon?

Technical compatibility in interactions with Ultra | No suspicions remaining on Day 3 | Progression on Epi looks fake

Others will have to share their own gripes.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:15 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:25 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:24 pm No. I'm pointing out a bunch of stuff that you have to ignore to have a scum read on you.

Your tone is one of absolute confidence, and that is unnerving.

Just out of curiosity, what is wrong with that?

I would not expect another civilian to exhibit that degree of confidence in my innocence, to such an extent that it becomes cause to throw shade at someone who is poking me.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:19 pm What are your guys' thoughts on Jessie? There's not much discussion surrounding him.

I have no reason to call him a civilian.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:18 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 3:11 pm [VOTE: Gemma] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 3:11 pm [VOTE: Gemma] aubergine

When you decide to bloc vote in BTSC and accidentally do it at the same time

Okay thanks for that Mac, now tell me about Gemma.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:19 pm What are your guys' thoughts on Jessie? There's not much discussion surrounding him.

Gripe

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 10:01 pm NOPE
Conclusion: I find some of this difficult to interpret. I can make a case that they're teammates, and that's enough for POE purposes. Gemma may be best judged at face value.

Well this is damning Jay. Absolutely damning. I have no choice but to vote for Gemma based on this damning summary.

So you read Gemma as a civilian?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:24 pm I read Gemma as a

Spoiler: show

an avocado

.

Who should be lynched?

Preferred alternative, Dragomir?